Post: #26

Guys...

Why are you all complaining?

Am I the only one seeing the elephant in the room?

This leaves more hot superheroine babes for us superheroes!

Post: #27

Tumblr is shitting all over this, if you can believe it.

Tumblr.

Quote:On April 22, 2015, comics retailers far and wide will be selling copies of All-New X-Men #40, which, spoiler, features the coming out of a major character from Marvel Comics’ original five X-Men (sort of): Bobby Drake, AKA Ice Man. On the one hand, I want to be loud and supportive, and to celebrate this wider diversity. But on the other hand, they do a really, really offensive crap job of it.

The scene begins with our time displaced version of Bobby from the past being confronted by the time displaced Jean Grey (henceforth referred to as “young Bobby” and “young Jean”) after he says a few misogynistic things about Magik. This is potentially great meta-commentary from a female comic character confronting the male gaze and the hypersexualization of female comic characters. But, rather than go there, it instead goes the route of revealing young Jean is pretty awful at respecting the privacy of others and both of them are equally awful at discussing sexual diversity.

It begins:

Just another day at the X-Men where your resident good-guy telepath is bouncing around in your brain without your permission and then dictating to you what your sexuality is without any concern for consent or self-identification.

Bobby is literally telling her that her brain is not welcome inside his and she disregards him. After 40 issues of practice, this isn’t a girl who can’t shut other peoples’ thoughts out. She can read his thoughts; that doesn’t mean she should.

But wait, old Bobby isn’t gay. He’s dated girls. Wouldn’t this really make Bobby bisexual, pansexual, or sexually fluid?

Oh no, let’s just decide for future/present/whatever Bobby his sexuality for him as well. He’s never been straight. He’s in the closet because being two things the world hates is worse than one. Barf. If there’s one thing that’s never rung true for not-young Bobby, it’s the sort of personality that would somehow be afraid of homophobia while being brave about mutant phobia.

And how disgusting is the argument that because all of his past relationships with women have failed, they all must mean he’s really gay too? Assuming old Bobby and young Bobby are the same Bobby, that’s some hard core bisexual erasure going on right there. Every relationship I’ve had with a man has failed. That doesn’t make me straight. Every relationship my straight ex-wife has had with a man has failed too. That doesn’t make her a lesbian. This is outright the worst, most biphobic logic I’ve seen this week. It’s just awful.

And there’s one more doozy:

No. They don’t. Only really uninformed or really crappy people say this. Patrick Richardsfink writes an excellent post on the inappropriateness of saying everyone is bisexual. Saying everyone is bi erases us. It invalidates bisexual identity and gives room for people to feel it’s perfectly ok for them to smack their own labels on us rather than allowing us to self identify. This is exactly what young Jean does to young Bobby in this exchange.

This entire five page exchange is breathtaking in how absolutely awful and problematic it is. I want to believe Bendis was sincerely trying to sensitively introduce the world to another major gay character in comics. It’s just a shame he had to do so by being ignorant and dropping a steaming dump on bisexuality and other non-monosexual identities.

Evan

Post: #28

The one bright spot in all of this is that comics these days don't really have young kids as a demographic anymore.

So all this SJW/gay agenda pandering in comics is preaching to the choir. It's mostly Gen-X/Y and older millenials who grew up reading these comics who are still buying comics.

So maybe some young kids will escape getting groomed by fags injecting their bullshit into comics.

I do wonder if this type of faggotry is creeping into cartoons for kids now too.

Before long you'll have a rebooted looney tunes with transgender bugs bunny hanging out with gay blade tweetie along with bull queer elmer fudd with a cockring hanging off his nose.

Post: #29

Comic book movies are gay anyways. Never liked them.

My favorite comic when I was a kid was Punishers Weapon Compendium, I believe it was called. Whole comic book filled with guns. I fucking loved that one. Bet they don't republish that one.

Post: #30

Note how he essentially concludes the worst thing about all that is Jean being "biphobic."

Anyway, I'm done with all this. It's a comic book and nostalgia is mental masturbation. I'm tired of being annoyed by SJW morons fagging up stuff I liked as kid, but oh well. I will no longer be participating in these sorts of threads.

That being said, I hope a financial disaster befalls Disney and Marvel for ruining long-standing characters and series with their homo-trolling and propaganda.

Post: #31

(04-21-2015 07:42 PM)MrXY Wrote:  "Iceman" is suspiciously close to "Assman"

If that's the case, then they are way behind the times.



Besides, Marvel can suck my dick. Oh, wait...

(04-22-2015 12:12 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Before long you'll have a rebooted looney tunes with transgender bugs bunny hanging out with gay blade tweetie along with bull queer elmer fudd with a cockring hanging off his nose.

Have you never seen Warner Bros cartoons?

Post: #32

I agree with Jean Grey: ain't no such thing as a bisexual male, they like dick at all, they gay.

Post: #33

(04-21-2015 09:57 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Would literally flaming Pyro being gay have been too predictable?

Is this the one gay Iceman wants to be with? Because in the movies their rivalry looked suspiciously gay to me, like Iceman wanted to make some ice cubes in his mouth and go down on this little flamer.

Post: #34

(04-21-2015 11:17 PM)alexdagr81 Wrote:  So having relationship failures means you are gay now?

This is how gays have been made for millennia.

Sexual market is cruel. Women are cruel. Many timid boys without a father figure fail in their early attempts to establish relationship and many get laughed and ridiculed for that. Some give up and become omega nerds. Others discover game, gym and self development. Yet others get noticed by older gay men. These predators shelter the young boy who is cruelly treated by girls and his peers and they offer them intimacy without the tricks women play. This is how most gays are created. And this is why homosexuality and pedophilia are two peaks of the same iceberg.

Post: #35

Fuck this gay earth - seriously - first the Canadian military, then US cadets :





It's nothing new regarding the pushing of the homosexual agenda.





If that crap continues they will try to make James Bond not only gay, but a gay tranny as well.

Post: #36

(04-21-2015 08:45 PM)Drazen Wrote:  I just assumed as far as casting was concerned, Bryan Singer probably fucked all the younger boys on the cast. There was a semi-scandal about that last year that got swept under the rug but probably had some truth to it.

Right after that scandal started to break is when, entirely co-incidentally, George Clooney married a post-wall LawyerCunt, because he was rumoured to be involved.

Anyway, this is Marvel. They've already made Colossus gay:



They already made Wolverine and Hercules gay.



Making characters gay and switching genders and races is all they have, because it gets mass media attention, yet, strangely that media attention doesn't translate into increased sales, just a continually-dwindling audience.

To clarify how dwindling:

X-Men #1, 1991. Pre-orders of 8.1 million, estimated between 3 and 4 million copies sold.

Sales for March, 2015:

All New X-Men 58,490 (5,000 less sales from this time last year!)

Uncanny X-Men 49,639

Marvel logic: profit by appealing to 1-2% of the population.

Number of children currently in the US under in the US who didn't read All New X-men last month: 74,141,510.

Marvel comic books are utterly-irrelevant to Modern Children. They are going to ride their politically-correct bullshit into extinction.

Post: #37

I haven't seen a betrayal of a character this blatant since Spiderman made a deal with Mephisto

Post: #38

(04-22-2015 03:04 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 08:45 PM)Drazen Wrote:  I just assumed as far as casting was concerned, Bryan Singer probably fucked all the younger boys on the cast. There was a semi-scandal about that last year that got swept under the rug but probably had some truth to it.

Right after that scandal started to break is when, entirely co-incidentally, George Clooney married a post-wall LawyerCunt, because he was rumoured to be involved.

Anyway, this is Marvel. They've already made Colossus gay:



They already made Wolverine and Hercules gay.



Making characters gay and switching genders and races is all they have, because it gets mass media attention, yet, strangely that media attention doesn't translate into increased sales, just a continually-dwindling audience.

To clarify how dwindling:

X-Men #1, 1991. Pre-orders of 8.1 million, estimated between 3 and 4 million copies sold.

Sales for March, 2015:

All New X-Men 58,490 (5,000 less sales from this time last year!)

Uncanny X-Men 49,639

Marvel logic: profit by appealing to 1-2% of the population.

Number of children currently in the US under in the US who didn't read All New X-men last month: 74,141,510.

Marvel comic books are utterly-irrelevant to Modern Children. They are going to ride their politically-correct bullshit into extinction.

Good. Let it die. I wasted alot of my youth collecting and reading them. Maybe it helped me have a great imagination, maybe it did not. I won't be letting my kids read anything Marvel or DC, not because of this stuff exactly but for the reason Wastelander said. The writing is atrocious! How can you expect a kid to have great English writing skills if that is what they read? The old school comics at least used very large vocabulary words. I was somewhat often when I was younger than 12 while I was growing up, I would take the Miriam Webster Dictionary off the shelf, lay on the floor and go through my comics for that month, using the dictionary for the large words I did not know back then. I think that was some of the reasons my dad kept buying them for me, because he knew I was learning something.

I tried to start collecting again a few years ago with that big Marvel War series and it put me to sleep it was so lame. Never again.

My kids could take a look at my collection pieces in their packaging, but since some of them are valuable I probably will issue death threats if they get too close to them. I don't think they could appreciate non High Definition artwork anyway. Might give off the same boring vibe watching early black and white film from before WW2. Even that stuff is though for me to watch.

Post: #39

(04-22-2015 01:03 AM)eljeffster Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:57 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Would literally flaming Pyro being gay have been too predictable?

Is this the one gay Iceman wants to be with? Because in the movies their rivalry looked suspiciously gay to me, like Iceman wanted to make some ice cubes in his mouth and go down on this little flamer.

The real Iceman is not amused

Post: #40

Let me chime in here and say how atrocious I find the printing in these comics. I remember working for an ink company years ago and looking at proofs for comic sheets using the new printing techniques. They might have used less and safer ink, but the results seemed washed-out and boring as shit. I remember the way comics looked when I was a kid in the 60's: colorful and vibrant. Oh there were some which looked funky, such as the crap Charlton with their monster box printing letterpress's, but even those make the current batch look like shite.
You would think these geniuses could figure out the death of their fan base. Wasn't there a huge crash in the 90's with comic stores closing right and left?

Post: #41

(04-22-2015 09:46 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:  You would think these geniuses could figure out the death of their fan base. Wasn't there a huge crash in the 90's with comic stores closing right and left?

Just from a business and sales point of view comics are completely obsolete and overpriced. Google says that a single issue is up to $3.99 or something now which is absurd. They were like $.75 to $1 when I was a kid and if you just consider inflation and rise in commodities it should be around maybe $2.50.

If I had kids no way would I spend money buying a bunch of monthly comics for $3.99 a pop especially when the selling point these days is about ass pirate heroes jousting dicks.

Post: #42

The movies were all subtly about gay rights so this is not surprising.

I wouldn't really give a shit about a character being gay even if I was a comic fan. If they changed the focus of the comic from fighting villains to fighting for gay rights then I could see fans getting pissed.

Post: #43

(04-22-2015 10:53 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  The movies were all subtly about gay rights so this is not surprising.

I wouldn't really give a shit about a character being gay even if I was a comic fan. If they changed the focus of the comic from fighting villains to fighting for gay rights then I could see fans getting pissed.

It goes back to what Scorpion warned everyone about before. It's not always supposed to be obvious. They want to condition and desensitize you to a point to when or if they wanted to make a movie like that, you wouldn't even flinch. With your perception, you might care tomorrow, but 5 years later you would not.

Post: #44

(04-21-2015 08:39 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The funny thing about this is if someone could read the minds of most fags I bet there would be some extremely twisted things in there such as little boys, torture, and everything.

It would probably immediately change their perceptions of gays even if they were a hardcore SJW.

Maybe they can do a comic about a superhero circuit party. Show everybody how they're "just like us".

Post: #45

(04-22-2015 02:33 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  \

Since when did the military start wearing high heels?

Post: #46

(04-22-2015 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 10:53 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  The movies were all subtly about gay rights so this is not surprising.

I wouldn't really give a shit about a character being gay even if I was a comic fan. If they changed the focus of the comic from fighting villains to fighting for gay rights then I could see fans getting pissed.

It goes back to what Scorpion warned everyone about before. It's not always supposed to be obvious. They want to condition and desensitize you to a point to when or if they wanted to make a movie like that, you wouldn't even flinch. With your perception, you might care tomorrow, but 5 years later you would not.

Its mostly about a last attempt to attract a new market.

Post: #47

(04-22-2015 03:20 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 01:19 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 10:53 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  The movies were all subtly about gay rights so this is not surprising.

I wouldn't really give a shit about a character being gay even if I was a comic fan. If they changed the focus of the comic from fighting villains to fighting for gay rights then I could see fans getting pissed.

It goes back to what Scorpion warned everyone about before. It's not always supposed to be obvious. They want to condition and desensitize you to a point to when or if they wanted to make a movie like that, you wouldn't even flinch. With your perception, you might care tomorrow, but 5 years later you would not.

Its mostly about a last attempt to attract a new market.

For Marvel and DC comics are not really about money anymore. They make x-times that amount via movies and TV series. Besides - both belong to huge multi-national companies.

Whether they sell 50k (for the current crap) or 100k (for better products hiring good artists) of issues are peanuts to them compared to a 500 mio. $ blockbuster.

So I guess they decided to use comics for direct social engineering. If it's a strong SJW narrative, then it gets mentioned on all world media like the cliThor and the rising gayness. They will come up with some character going transsexual as well.



Despite our negative perception here the public and the children get used to crap like that and then find it normal when a penis-carrying 6'4 guy with a wig declares himself a woman. They have seen it in comics and the media and the little school gender unicorn has told them that it is normal. And thus it is to them.

In case some of you gents have not seen the new school gender unicorn that very young children are indoctrinated with:

   

Propaganda nowadays works that way. They don't risk as of yet doing that in a 300 mio. $ Hollywood production, but given time the current brainwashed generation will accept a female Thor and a transgender Captain America.

Post: #48

I'm kind of interested in how far down the rabbit hole all this goes.

Have they done a gay superhero dies of aids storyline yet?

A real gay superhero would be the one that's impervious to aids.

Post: #49

So that's why the comic is called "X Men".

Post: #50

It sounds like "all new x-men' is yet another alternate timeline/alternate universe so none of this is canon anyways because this is all just a theoretical conversation between a young jean grey and a bobby drake that never happened.

part of this is why I stopped reading comic books in the first place, they just got caught up in in mid 90s about having alternate universes, killing their main characters and then bringing them back to life, etc.

edit
Both marvel and dc did this, so I can't just say it's one company.