Post: #76

This story is so saddening. Ugh. What a sick bitch. I think she probably is a psychopath.

She should not be working anywhere remotely near pets.

Maybe she could become a guard in a women's prison.

Post: #77

SJWs to the rescue.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-F...33?fref=ts

Post: #78

So am I reading this right that the mother who took the picture is the county treasurer?

edit... my bad, she is a treasurer in WY.

Post: #79

Let's just say that hunting is usually applied for gathering food or population control of prey where man has killed all natural predators. Everything else is fun and entertainment.

Post: #80

I know people on the forum are always a bit skeptical about academia, and rightly so, but I've talked with many psychology professors over the years. One thing they've constantly said is that the jump from killing animals to killing humans is not a big one.

Post: #81

It's a huge jump. We're humans, humans are us. Animals are not us. It's simple.

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

Post: #82

She wasn't killing the cat for fun. She thought she was killing a "feral cat" which is wildlife. It's a complicated issue. Wild cats spread disease and kill the local wildlife. As to whether it was legal is another issue. It depends on the specific laws in that county. Most laws provide an explicit exception allowing licensed veterinarians to kill animals. And laws may make a distinction between pets and wild life. The cat turned out to be a pet, but it didn't have a collar. If it turns out that she wasn't authorized by law to kill the cat, then she will have to answer the charges. Her biggest mistake was being politically incorrect and putting a picture on facebook. For that mistake, she has gotten numerous death threats from crazy cat lovers. She sounds like a simple country girl raised to hunt and spoiled by her daddy. Times have changed, and she didn't realize that in today's America you need two faces and a spin doctor.

Here is a balanced article on the issue.

U.S. Faces Growing Feral Cat Problem

Michael Mountain, one of the founders of Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab, Utah, says there is no evidence that feral cats are to blame for a decline in the bird population at large.

"Ferals are savvy, don't have enough to eat, and have to live like real (wild) animals," Mountain said. "So the last thing a feral cat wants to do is waste his energy chasing after birds."

Instead, he said their diet consists of mice, insects, and lizards.

Mountain said his views on this issue are not one-sided. The 3,300-acre (1,300-hectare) Best Friends animal shelter, which is the largest in the country, not only cares for feral and domestic cats—it also cares for birds.

The decline in songbird populations is caused by many factors, Mountain says, including habitat loss, pollution, pesticides, and window strikes.

He also notes a new report by David I. King of the U.S. Forest Service's Northeastern Research Station and John H. Rappole of the Smithsonian Conservation and Research Center. The study concludes that the biggest problem is the loss of the birds' winter habitat in the tropics due to deforestation.

"What we all need to do, since we all care about animals, is find real solutions (to controlling the feral cat population)," Mountain said. "Trying to kill off all the feral cats is not going to help the birds."

Linda Winter disagrees.

Winter is the director of the American Bird Conservancy's (ABC) Cats Indoors! campaign. The conservation group, based in Washington, D.C., started the program seven years ago to educate the public that free-roaming cats pose a significant risk to birds and other wildlife.

The conservancy believes feral felines should be removed permanently from the environment and taken to shelters. The majority of wild cats, though, cannot be domesticated. Consequently shelters kill them, sometimes minutes after the cats are dropped off.

"If people object to those cats being euthanized, since quite often homes can't be found for them, then those people should take those cats and put them on their own property or in stray and feral cat sanctuaries, where they can be protected and safe and not harm any other animal or harm the general public," Winter said. "That, to us, is the real solution."

Placing all the cats in sanctuaries is "totally impractical and completely absurd," counters Mountain. Best Friends is one of the few shelters in the country that houses feral cats—but only sick or disabled cats in need of special care.

"The likelihood of that being able to happen for millions of feral cats is, frankly, just silly," Mountain said. "And they [ABC] don't actually mean that at all. What they mean is to put something out [to the public] that sounds lovely—and which, of course, nobody can do—to justify the other approach, which is to kill them all."

Spay and Neuter

Julie Levy is a veterinarian and professor at the University of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine in Gainesville. She says the answer to permanently reducing wild cat populations is through the Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) method, in which entire colonies of cats are trapped, vaccinated, and sterilized by a veterinarian.

Homes are found for young kittens, which can be tamed. Healthy adults are returned outdoors, where volunteers feed and look after them for the remainder of their lives.

The method, though, is neither quick nor simple.

In a study conducted by Levy over an 11-year period, she found the cats lived an average of 7 years after being spayed and brought back to their territory.

"It's become a double-edged sword, because we're happy for the cats that they're living life and in good health," Levy said. "But it also means that we can't expect our neuter programs to work really quickly."

Levy is also the founder of Operation Catnip, the largest TNR program in the country. Monthly spay-neuter clinics are held where a team of 7 veterinarians and staff of 30 volunteers sterilize up to 150 cats within a few hours.

Many programs, like Operation Catnip, are backed by large-scale public and financial support.

In 1999, for example, the California Veterinary Medical Association's Feral Cat Altering Program was awarded a three-year, U.S. 9.5-million-dollar grant by a private foundation. The program fixed feral cats throughout the state for free, performing 170,334 surgeries.

Levy says something realistic needs to be done to reduce the feral population—but killing the cats, as many wildlife organizations have suggested, is not feasible.

"The people who feed these cats are not going to cooperate with those kinds of programs, and you have to engage the people who know where the cats are in any solution," she said. "So you can either harness this huge volunteer force to help in the solution or you can go to war with it."

The ABC's Winter, who is vocal in the battle between wildlife groups and feral advocates, says she opposes the TNR method because the released cats continue to kill wildlife. Another problem, she said, is that feeding stations maintained by caregivers attract animals like raccoons and skunks that carry rabies and other diseases, creating a public health threat.

The cats can also transmit diseases. In August, animal control officials in Eugene, Oregon, reportedly discovered more than three dozen feral cats infected with salmonella, which is contagious to people and pets. No humans, however, were reported to be infected.

"TNR is just not a solution that helps everybody and all animals involved," said Winter, an owner of two indoor-only cats. "They need to figure out another way."

Levy hasn't come up with another way. But she is currently working with a wildlife research group to develop a sterilization vaccine for female and male cats.

"We're on the trail of a good one," she said. "We're now one year into a two-year study with male cats, and it's looking extremely promising."

If the vaccine is developed, she said, trained technicians would go into the field and inject the cats. The vaccine would make TNR programs more efficient by helping reduce costs and labor.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...ats_2.html

Post: #83

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  It's a huge jump. We're humans, humans are us. Animals are not us. It's simple.

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

It's only a huge jump in terms of consequences when living in a society. Cruelty to animals is about the clearest sign of psychopathy there is, and if this woman had been born in Syria her facebook picture would be holding up a Coptic Christian with an arrow through his head.

Post: #84

(04-20-2015 04:20 PM)cibo Wrote:  I know people on the forum are always a bit skeptical about academia, and rightly so, but I've talked with many psychology professors over the years. One thing they've constantly said is that the jump from killing animals to killing humans is not a big one.

We definitely are skeptical towards academia. That goes triple double for those in the grievance-mongering disciplines like sociology and psychology. And it's for a good reason, namely that they are completely full of shit.

Who do you think is more likely to put a bullet in you without a second thought over the slightest provocation: rural rednecks who have been killing animals since they could walk, or urban thugs whose only experience with wildlife is dodging gutter rats?

Hunting and killing animals is part of what it means to be human, just as it is for tigers, grizzly bears, and other predators. We don't do it solely for food, any more than we have sex solely for reproduction. It gives you a thrill. No, that does not mean that torturing dogs or stomping on baby birds is normal or sane.

But when you go out of the cities and deep in the forest, the process of searching out and stalking prey heightens the experience of being back in your natural habitat, that you have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to excel in. Our entire body is designed for the hunt. The big cats have flexible spines and powerful limbs to catch their prey and sharp teeth to kill it. We have upright posture to elevate our head and see prey from far off, and shoulders and arms designed to propel projectile weapons at targets from a safe distance.

We were throwing spears at animals long before we were throwing TD passes to receivers. And just like today a perfect spiral to the end-zone gets the blood pumping, so does an arrow to a deer's heart at 30 yards. Nothing more natural than that.

Post: #85

There's a pretty big gap between hunting deer and hunting a housecat that comes up and rubs against your leg.

Post: #86

^^Irrelevant. The post I was addressing criticized hunting in general, not this particular incident.

Post: #87

As we all know cats are a leading sign of crazy in a girl, possibly they are just a signal of crazy, but they may also be a cause of it through spreading toxoplasmosis gondii

http://www.businessinsider.com/toxoplasm...ite-2015-1

These nasty parasites have been linked to depression, suicide, and judging by our real-life field observations, obesity, neon colored hair, messy apartments, and extreme narcissism and childish behavior.

So taking out one of these buggers is just fine by me.

Post: #88

(04-20-2015 05:14 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:20 PM)cibo Wrote:  I know people on the forum are always a bit skeptical about academia, and rightly so, but I've talked with many psychology professors over the years. One thing they've constantly said is that the jump from killing animals to killing humans is not a big one.

We definitely are skeptical towards academia. That goes triple double for those in the grievance-mongering disciplines like sociology and psychology. And it's for a good reason, namely that they are completely full of shit.

Who do you think is more likely to put a bullet in you without a second thought over the slightest provocation: rural rednecks who have been killing animals since they could walk, or urban thugs whose only experience with wildlife is dodging gutter rats?

Hunting and killing animals is part of what it means to be human, just as it is for tigers, grizzly bears, and other predators. We don't do it solely for food, any more than we have sex solely for reproduction. It gives you a thrill. No, that does not mean that torturing dogs or stomping on baby birds is normal or sane.

But when you go out of the cities and deep in the forest, the process of searching out and stalking prey heightens the experience of being back in your natural habitat, that you have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to excel in. Our entire body is designed for the hunt. The big cats have flexible spines and powerful limbs to catch their prey and sharp teeth to kill it. We have upright posture to elevate our head and see prey from far off, and shoulders and arms designed to propel projectile weapons at targets from a safe distance.

We were throwing spears at animals long before we were throwing TD passes to receivers. And just like today a perfect spiral to the end-zone gets the blood pumping, so does an arrow to a deer's heart at 30 yards. Nothing more natural than that.

Your post didnt even disagree with anything I said and proves my point that killing and/or torturing an animal a pretty clear indication of willinginess to the same thing to a person.

Blowing a deer away with a rifle is as sporting as shooting an unarmed man.

Stop and think about that.

Also, I like how people who talk about the thrill of hunting remove any sort of risk from doing it. This is like beating the crap out of child and saying you love street fights.

A long time family friend has hunted for years. And he's fat as fuck. He can barely make it up a flight of stairs without panting. Yet he's killed shit all over the world. Hunting back in the day was important for human survival but today its basically just entertainment.

Post: #89

(04-20-2015 04:42 PM)Sherman Wrote:  She wasn't killing the cat for fun. She thought she was killing a "feral cat" which is wildlife. It's a complicated issue. Wild cats spread disease and kill the local wildlife. As to whether it was legal is another issue. It depends on the specific laws in that county. Most laws provide an explicit exception allowing licensed veterinarians to kill animals. And laws may make a distinction between pets and wild life. The cat turned out to be a pet, but it didn't have a collar. If it turns out that she wasn't authorized by law to kill the cat, then she will have to answer the charges. Her biggest mistake was being politically incorrect and putting a picture on facebook. For that mistake, she has gotten numerous death threats from crazy cat lovers. She sounds like a simple country girl raised to hunt and spoiled by her daddy. Times have changed, and she didn't realize that in today's America you need two faces and a spin doctor.

......Cut.......

Then she's a fucking dumbass. Anyone who has ever lived in a rural setting, especially if they're a vet, can almost always tell the difference between a feral animal and a pet. More importantly you tend to know your neighbor's pets quite well. I would bet she knew this was a house cat and who's it was and just didn't care for it coming around her property.

Here's how it was always done omn the farms where I lived: Stray or feral animal starts coming around adn we can't just chase it away, keeps coming back. We ask some of the neighbors when we see them if this animal is theirs. They all say no, we break out the 12 gauge.

That's the proper way to do it, especially in rural settings where that animal may in fact be valuable beyond simply being a person's pet but an actual asset.

At the very least she was entirely negligent in making sure she wasn't killing someone's pet. It also does call into question her mental state if she killed the cat on sight and then smiles about it and posts it on Facebook. She even says, "My first bow kill...." in her post. I'd bet my bottom dollar she was looking for something to kill and then Tiger happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Post: #90

(04-20-2015 05:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  ... and proves my point that killing and/or torturing an animal a pretty clear indication of willinginess to the same thing to a person.

Blowing a deer away with a rifle is as sporting as shooting an unarmed man.

So, indiscriminately killing animals on an industrial scale by proxy means you're not a sociopath? Just because you can't see it?

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

Yep. This is why I think all meat should come with a photo of the way the animal is killed. Eliminate the magic meat fruit that is just picked from the meat tree.

Post: #91

(04-20-2015 05:07 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  It's a huge jump. We're humans, humans are us. Animals are not us. It's simple.

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

It's only a huge jump in terms of consequences when living in a society. Cruelty to animals is about the clearest sign of psychopathy there is, and if this woman had been born in Syria her facebook picture would be holding up a Coptic Christian with an arrow through his head.

If you consider killing an animal outright animal cruelty, then I don't think we can agree on anything.

Your psychology professors were referring to guys like Richard Kuklinski who enjoyed swinging cats around by their tails, beating, and burning them to death when he was a kid. Torturing an animal to death is a sign of psychopathy.

Hunting is not.

Post: #92

^ Reading this thread I was curious if hunters were known to commit murder at a higher rate than normal.

They are trained in how to use firearms, have firearms, good shots etc. So if they had any sort of general violent impulse, it wouldn't be hard for hunters to start killing people pretty easily.

After some serious googling I couldn't find anything to the effect. I found one study showing that teenage hunters were more likely to have defaced or broken private property, but nothing about human-on-human violence being elevated in hunters.

You would think if there were such a trend it would be well-known. The media would love to run with "Hunters Gone Mad" headlines.

Post: #93

(04-20-2015 07:26 AM)kleyau Wrote:  Posting it on social media was dumb, but we used to do this all the time as kids.

Neighbors dogs, cats, etc. They start fights with your own animals, bite you, kill small animals, property damage etc. We'd just start off with bb guns and move up to bow and arrows or 22s if the animals didn't get the message. That, and tweakers would always let their dogs roam. Pulled a rottie who was fang deep in my dog's neck off, then shot it.

This is just how rural America works. Property rights are deeply ingrained, and people are just used to handling their own business.

I'm from rural America. I lived most of my life up a two mile dirt road on the side of a mountain in a town with less than 10,000 people. I wouldn't shoot my neighbors pet cat in the head if it wandered onto my property.

In rural America you learn to respect your neighbors. Only a complete fuckwit would kill his neighbors pet if that pet wasn't chasing his livestock repeatedly or damaging property.

Peoples pets get out all of the time in rural America, we don't just go around shooting them in the head with arrows.....and I don't even like animals.

Post: #94

I am totally pro-hunting. It serves tons of purposes like keeping down the population of awful creatures like deer. I also eat meat and totally understand the argument you hunters here are making.

But again, this wasn't hunting. This was some chick pretending to do something men do because "teehee look at me I can fire a bow and arrow at a defenseless cat." I don't even care if she thought it was feral (which, if she had any veterinary knowledge, she shouldn't have).

It's nice to see the epidemic of female attention whoring coming back to bite one of them. This week has seen this bitch and Britt McHenry see that the social media horde may not be as kind to women as we previously thought.

Post: #95

Wait, am I hearing this right? This bitch shot the neighbor's cat and put a photo of it up on facebook?
I'm not a fan of social media hate mobs, but what the hell did she think was going to happen?

Post: #96

(04-20-2015 07:34 PM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  But again, this wasn't hunting. This was some chick pretending to do something men do because "teehee look at me I can fire a bow and arrow at a defenseless cat." I don't even care if she thought it was feral (which, if she had any veterinary knowledge, she shouldn't have).

I noticed since the popularity of girl power centric films like Hunger games that bows have become very popular with women. I bet that's where a lot of the "badass" showing off comes from too, monkey see monkey do. They just want to be like the girls on t.v.

Post: #97

Its all crazy when they make sure the makeup and lighting is right. Not a Hunter's code.

Post: #98

I did a google search of facebook and found at least two sites supporting the cat.

https://www.facebook.com/JusticeforTiger?fref=ts

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-F...33?fref=ts

But when I googled "Support for Kristen Lindsey" , I get one site and it looks like it has been taken down.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-f...5988739022



I don't see any difference between this and the way men are treated by social media. She was an insensitive Hillbilly who messed with the liberals' favorite beast and now she is going to pay. In one CNN video several people testified that she is a caring and compassionate vet. But social media won't let her have any defense. So people just get the one side of the story and conclude that she is a monster. Any man here could become a victim of a social media lynch mob.

Post: #99

(04-20-2015 07:06 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  ... and proves my point that killing and/or torturing an animal a pretty clear indication of willinginess to the same thing to a person.

Blowing a deer away with a rifle is as sporting as shooting an unarmed man.

So, indiscriminately killing animals on an industrial scale by proxy means you're not a sociopath? Just because you can't see it?

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

Yep. This is why I think all meat should come with a photo of the way the animal is killed. Eliminate the magic meat fruit that is just picked from the meat tree.

What part about hunting for survival(food), do you not understand?

I was unaware that we live in society where we have to go hunt and gather still. I don't need to go out a kill an animal myself to eat. If it was required to survive, go right a head.

You could even make an argument for deers and overpopulation but explain to me why you need to go out of your way to hunt a cat, a bear, a lion, or elephant, etc. for reasons beyond entertainment?

Post: #100

Yes they could. That's why I'm saying it's nice to see the lynch mob be equal opportunity for once. And at least this time it isn't over a tweet or something. It's actually deserved.