Post: #26

(01-24-2012 02:41 PM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  That just makes them sound like boring people.

I'm not saying they should want to move here, Ireland is perfectly fine these days, but not wanting to visit?

That's deliberately refusing the possibility of interesting new experiences.

Yeah, not everyone wants to visit places I guess.

The point I am making is that not everyone looks at America as this "magical place".

And for good reason, Most of America is a godforsaken corporate hell hole.

Hell, the reality is America has what? Maybe 5 good cities? (Granted, the good ones are World Class. And NYC just be the best city on earth.)

Sh*t, there are that many good cities on the North Coast of Spain.

Quote:Where did they prefer to visit instead, G?

Beats me. Maybe Canary Islands?

Hell, I have some relatives in Belfast, that have barely even been to Dublin.

Post: #27

G - What is the definition of a good city in America? Maybe your relatives have never even travelled to know. I have a cousin in UK that used to trash America for decades and now he keeps calling me to ask when I have vac time so we can go and damage some Yankee lizards.

The reason is, he finally travelled and saw the delicious diversity and ease of piping and it went to his head like vodka and orange.

You say, Spain has several good cities along the coast. Would you live there and if so, why not? You have a European passport (one of your parents is Spaniard if my memory serves me right).

Why not move to Europe and get better bang for your buck?

Post: #28

Regrettably I haven't been to Spain so I have no basis for comparison, but I've been to a lot of places in America and numerous other countries. The following cities in America I would say are pretty cool:

-New York
-Boston
-Chicago
-LA
-San Francisco
-Portland
-Seattle
-Austin
-Atlanta
-Denver
-Las Vegas
-Pittsburgh (seriously)

I haven't been everywhere so I bet there are more cool cities than that. Lately people have been telling me that Charleston, South Carolina is cool. They could be full of it, but I won't know unless I see it for myself.

The annoying thing about America's cities is how outside of fashionable urban centers people are basically low quality (the good people clear out when they're young leaving dumbasses around) with the exception of enclaves for the rich like Aspen and Jackson Hole (both awesome). This dynamic exists everywhere, but it seems much stronger in America. For instance in Sweden you can find hot girls in every bumblefuck town--not possible in America.

Why are Spanish cities so much better in your view? Is it because the women are thinner and hotter, or are you considering other things?

Post: #29

There are many POSITIVES and NEGATIVES about America, like every place in the world.

The biggest problem with American Politicos & Government is.. SELF-RIGHTEOUS ness.

Fighting wars in places where they dont need to be. Vietnam. Iraq, Afghanishtan .. Now N korea, iran.

How CIA was friends with Osama when they trained him against Russia. and then they screwed him over..

Lobbying bullshit into laws & policy.

The difference between American the "Democratic People" and America the "State" run by Dick Cheney, Bush & their Enterprises.

There were seminars in Houston about $$$ & Opportunities in Iraq even before they attacked Saddam. Welcome to Dick Chiney & Company.

Post: #30

That's far from the biggest problem. If anything that gives everyone something to talk about. All over the world people have enjoyable conversation material provided by America's ill-conceived expeditionary wars. It has little impact on your day to life within America itself. The number one problem with America is how disgustingly fat people are.

If there was a button I could push which would make 99% of Americans thin at the cost of five new unwinnable foreign wars and renewed military conscription, I would not hesitate for a second to push the button.

Sure it might be me or my friends killed, but at least when I returned home from war in Dirtistan I'd be able to look at my own country's women without vomiting.

Post: #31

(01-24-2012 03:22 PM)Moma Wrote:  G - What is the definition of a good city in America? Maybe your relatives have never even travelled to know. I have a cousin in UK that used to trash America for decades and now he keeps calling me to ask when I have vac time so we can go and damage some Yankee lizards.

The reason is, he finally travelled and saw the delicious diversity and ease of piping and it went to his head like vodka and orange.

You say, Spain has several good cities along the coast. Would you live there and if so, why not? You have a European passport (one of your parents is Spaniard if my memory serves me right).

Why not move to Europe and get better bang for your buck?

Quote:What is the definition of a good city in America?

Freedom to smoke where I want, drink when I want, eat when I want, don't need a car and fly girls. Other things too, but that is a start.

Most American cities don't even meet that basic criteria.

Quote:You say, Spain has several good cities along the coast. Would you live there and if so, why not?

In the works amigo.

It's my summer Alternate.

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Post: #32

G-You can eat what you want, drink what you want and fly girls exist in NYC. Smoking, well you know that's a foul habit so that doesn't count in the call for a good city.

Why is the need NOT to own a car the mark of a great city?

Post: #33

(01-24-2012 04:13 PM)Moma Wrote:  G-You can eat what you want, drink what you want and fly girls exist in NYC. Smoking, well you know that's a foul habit so that doesn't count in the call for a good city.

Why is the need NOT to own a car the mark of a great city?

You asked me a question, I answered it.

I said earlier that NYC might be the best city in the world. It hits my qualifications.

Some people think smoking is a foul habit, some people think not smoking is a foul habit.

Everyone is different.

As far as cars, there is no great "car city" in the world in my opinion.

Again, you asked for my take, I gave it to you.

Some people think America is the best place on earth.

Others have traveled enough to know that isn't the case.

Post: #34

Honestly, as I'm learning from living here in Marin County, (a suburb area right outside of San Francisco) there are a lot or teir 2 cities in America that would be considered VERY NICE! There's a town here called Mill Valley, population probably around 8,000, that looks like a town you'd see in a snow globe! upper middle class to wealthy people with a high, healthy standard of living, and not bad looking women! Ross, San Anselmo, Larkspur, all similar. I can only imagine that many other large cities have suburbs that would fit this description. When people talk of Los Angeles, they forget to mention New Port, Dana Point, Calabasas, even Huntington Beach. Granted, some of these places might technically be in Orange County, but still, the point is there are many cities that offer exceptional living, pretty girls, beauty scenery, and safety. Also, while not cheap, a single man, provided he's not looking to live on acreage, can get a nice apartmentand live the player lifestyle!

(01-24-2012 03:23 PM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  Regrettably I haven't been to Spain so I have no basis for comparison, but I've been to a lot of places in America and numerous other countries. The following cities in America I would say are pretty cool:

-New York
-Boston
-Chicago
-LA
-San Francisco
-Portland
-Seattle
-Austin
-Atlanta
-Denver
-Las Vegas
-Pittsburgh (seriously)

I haven't been everywhere so I bet there are more cool cities than that. Lately people have been telling me that Charleston, South Carolina is cool. They could be full of it, but I won't know unless I see it for myself.

The annoying thing about America's cities is how outside of fashionable urban centers people are basically low quality (the good people clear out when they're young leaving dumbasses around) with the exception of enclaves for the rich like Aspen and Jackson Hole (both awesome). This dynamic exists everywhere, but it seems much stronger in America. For instance in Sweden you can find hot girls in every bumblefuck town--not possible in America.

Why are Spanish cities so much better in your view? Is it because the women are thinner and hotter, or are you considering other things?

Post: #35

(01-24-2012 02:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 02:19 PM)houston Wrote:  I'm not a patriot at all but I'm willing to bet that most America haters would move here in a heartbeat if given the chance.

You would be surprised.

When I saw my cousins in Ireland last summer, we invited them to come visit us in America again.

They had absolutely zero desire to come to visit America.

None. Zip. Zilch. Zero.

G, the Irish are interesting like that. I know quite a few Irish (with Irish passports, not Irish-American) and they have no desire to come to America. Irish people are just really happy to be...Irish. I think you know what I mean. Unique people...good people.

Post: #36

(01-24-2012 01:01 PM)PDX Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:00 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Metric system - nah bro- The US was the first place where theoretically freedom would rule. Up until this point, you had to inherit or steal wealth. The reason for the mile instead of the kilometer and every other measurement was because the founding fathers wanted to be DIFFERENT from the oppressive gov'ts they came from. Geniuses like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have languished in obscurity in their motherland simply because of the structure of that society

Feet, miles, etc are "imperial units". They come from England.

They are not used in England, which is the point. I said they wanted to be "different". We also use pounds not stones to measure weight. It would be a little impractical to create a completely new measurement system with something called "snarks and barbs"...

Post: #37

(01-24-2012 11:51 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:00 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Like Black people before them, the wording in that original document is what allowed them to receive fair treatment under the law.

I think it's insulting to co-opt the plight of gay people with the one of Blacks.

I get that that's part of the plan, and not saying that was your intention, but it comes across that way.

At the end of the day though, one chooses to be gay.

Homophobia doesn't make sense to me because I've never met anyone who fears gays.

If you think it's insulting take it up with the Democratic Party. They are the ones selling it as "the great civil rights movement" of our time. I specifically said I don't think they should get status as a "minority" just because of who they choose to fuck. I don't know how you missed all that....

Post: #38

I should have stayed out of this thread, most of the posters have a bunch of half baked conspiracy theories where they heard something but aren't really in the know of what they're claiming to be experts on. Why don't we all just stick to what we know? This stuff about "not valuing African life" is about the most irritating summation I've heard in a while. So much money flows into Africa from Private charities across the world it's crazy. 90 Rangers fought off 3000 militants in Somalia trying to turn that hell hole around. Countless Christian organizations do all sorts of things to help those people. It's the Africans themselves that don't value human life. Quit blaming the US for not solving Africa's problems. No one over here is forcing these people to murder and mutilate each other.

Post: #39

(01-24-2012 05:06 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  When people talk of Los Angeles, they forget to mention New Port, Dana Point, Calabasas, even Huntington Beach. Granted, some of these places might technically be in Orange County, but still, the point is there are many cities that offer exceptional living, pretty girls, beauty scenery, and safety. Also, while not cheap, a single man, provided he's not looking to live on acreage, can get a nice apartmentand live the player lifestyle!

I am more than familiar with "New Port, Dana Point, Calabasas, even Huntington Beach."

Those places are a Police State Hell Hole of The Highest Order.

Honestly, I wouldn't live in any of those places if you paid my rent.

Smoking? Forget about it.

Dinner after 9pm? Lotsa luck.

Served a drink past 1:30 am sharp? Not on your life.

An illegal after hours club? Not in anyones wildest dreams.

DUI's? Yes you will get them.

Bars where you it is illegal to dance? Yep. If you can believe it.

Jay walking tickets? By the truckload.

Allowed to go outside with a drink? Hell no. You will get attacked by overzealous bouncers.

Busted for Drugs? Guaranteed Holmes, unless you abstain.

Zero Culture? Absolutely.

Chain restaurants? Till your heart's desire.

Diverse thinking population? Not unless you leave.

Uptight as hell? Yes.

"Insecurity" the most common emotion? Bet your life.

Cookie Cutter Consumer Slaves? There is nothing else.

F*ck Orange County.

And F*ck Calabasas. It is illegal to smoke on the street there.

Any questions?

Post: #40

(01-24-2012 12:23 PM)Moma Wrote:  Vitriol - Please explain broke to me. Is it in comparison to the guys driving fat whips and buying up bottle service or does it mean that they cannot achieve the basic human essentials - food, water and shelter?

Fisto - Addressing the complaining without a cause. I find there is definitely a culture of complaining in North America. I have not lived in America for an extended period of time but Toronto is a close enough approximation of America.

Every year, you hear them complaining. Oh, I don't want to work, I just want to live on the beach all day and drink pina coladas and eat seafood.

Ohh, I am getting so fat, Moma you never put on weight blah blah.

It seems to be a culture of wanting a quick fix for everything in North America. E.g. I want to learn <insert target language> but I don't want to have to live amongst <insert target language> speakers. I want this magic CD that will suddenly transform my brain into understanding <target language>.

You say there is no complaining without a cause. There is a cause for everything but the question is, is it an acceptable cause?

I could shyt on your carpet because I just didn't feel like getting up and going to your toilet. That is a cause, yes, but is it acceptable in the grand scheme of things.

Just opening up some philosophy here. Don't take it as hating.

Personally, I try to be as stoic as I can in the face of grievances. I think your examples pretty much fit everyone across the globe. I guess PDog should tell us what complaints he's referring to....

I don't know anyone, including you that wouldn't complain about someone taking a piss on their rug dude. It' really tied the room together did it not?

Post: #41

(01-24-2012 05:39 PM)Fisto Wrote:  This stuff about "not valuing African life" is about the most irritating summation I've heard in a while. So much money flows into Africa from Private charities across the world it's crazy. 90 Rangers fought off 3000 militants in Somalia trying to turn that hell hole around. Countless Christian organizations do all sorts of things to help those people. It's the Africans themselves that don't value human life. Quit blaming the US for not solving Africa's problems. No one over here is forcing these people to murder and mutilate each other.

Anything I say, I can back up.

We mourn for the Jews who were murdered in Europe during the Holocaust, but no one mourns for what Mussolini did in Ethiopia to the Falasha Jews.

That's just one large scale example.

We can go much smaller and talk about how two little girls could go missing at the same time, one White, and one Black, and the media and the police will put more effort towards finding the White girl, and ignore the other little girl completely. You're welcome to do your own research to find a case of this recently happening, her initials are J.S.

You may not agree with my summation, but you won't be able to refute its validity.

However, I can say what is construed as irritiating, is someone saying "stick to what you know" then going into a mindless rant that shows their level of knowledge is completely based off what they were told in a Social Studies class and seen via a few UNICEF commercials.

When they started the whole let's subjugate the African people, they did it by sending in the Missionaries first, so please miss me with the "Christian organizations do so much work for Africa" tale.

Also please do some research on who supplies the Africans with the weapons.

Your line of thinking is akin to American plantation owners giving their slaves crack in the old days and the U.S. government flooding their descendants' neighborhoods with it in modern times, and then wondering why there's a drug problem, and then using the problem to put them in jail en masse for extended periods of time, unequal and greater than those of white offenders for the same crimes.

It's called "blame the victim", and it is played out.

Post: #42

(01-24-2012 07:09 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 05:39 PM)Fisto Wrote:  This stuff about "not valuing African life" is about the most irritating summation I've heard in a while. So much money flows into Africa from Private charities across the world it's crazy. 90 Rangers fought off 3000 militants in Somalia trying to turn that hell hole around. Countless Christian organizations do all sorts of things to help those people. It's the Africans themselves that don't value human life. Quit blaming the US for not solving Africa's problems. No one over here is forcing these people to murder and mutilate each other.

Anything I say, I can back up.

We mourn for the Jews who were murdered in Europe during the Holocaust, but no one mourns for what Mussolini did in Ethiopia to the Falasha Jews.

That's just one large scale example.

We can go much smaller and talk about how two little girls could go missing at the same time, one White, and one Black, and the media and the police will put more effort towards finding the White girl, and ignore the other little girl completely. You're welcome to do your own research to find a case of this recently happening, her initials are J.S.

You may not agree with my summation, but you won't be able to refute its validity.

However, I can say what is construed as irritiating, is someone saying "stick to what you know" then going into a mindless rant that shows their level of knowledge is completely based off what they were told in a Social Studies class and seen via a few UNICEF commercials.

When they started the whole let's subjugate the African people, they did it by sending in the Missionaries first, so please miss me with the "Christian organizations do so much work for Africa" tale.

Also please do some research on who supplies the Africans with the weapons.

Your line of thinking is akin to American plantation owners giving their slaves crack in the old days and the U.S. government flooding their descendants' neighborhoods with it in modern times, and then wondering why there's a drug problem, and then using the problem to put them in jail en masse for extended periods of time, unequal and greater than those of white offenders for the same crimes.

It's called "blame the victim", and it is played out.

Omg....dude, you need to climb down from the cross. I'm out. This half baked crap is beneath my interest.

Post: #43

(01-24-2012 06:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 05:06 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  When people talk of Los Angeles, they forget to mention New Port, Dana Point, Calabasas, even Huntington Beach. Granted, some of these places might technically be in Orange County, but still, the point is there are many cities that offer exceptional living, pretty girls, beauty scenery, and safety. Also, while not cheap, a single man, provided he's not looking to live on acreage, can get a nice apartmentand live the player lifestyle!

I am more than familiar with "New Port, Dana Point, Calabasas, even Huntington Beach."

Those places are a Police State Hell Hole of The Highest Order.

Honestly, I wouldn't live in any of those places if you paid my rent.

Smoking? Forget about it.

Dinner after 9pm? Lotsa luck.

Served a drink past 1:30 am sharp? Not on your life.

An illegal after hours club? Not in anyones wildest dreams.

DUI's? Yes you will get them.

Bars where you it is illegal to dance? Yep. If you can believe it.

Jay walking tickets? By the truckload.

Allowed to go outside with a drink? Hell no. You will get attacked by overzealous bouncers.

Busted for Drugs? Guaranteed Holmes, unless you abstain.

Zero Culture? Absolutely.

Chain restaurants? Till your heart's desire.

Diverse thinking population? Not unless you leave.

Uptight as hell? Yes.

"Insecurity" the most common emotion? Bet your life.

Cookie Cutter Consumer Slaves? There is nothing else.

F*ck Orange County.

And F*ck Calabasas. It is illegal to smoke on the street there.

Any questions?

I didn't know you meant 'The Best Places Al Capone Could've Settled Down and Retired.' I thought you were speaking strictly about lifestyle, beauty of area, and general nicities.

Post: #44

He's talking about freedom.

Post: #45

Wow I did not expect this thread to blow up like this.

Quote:We mourn for the Jews who were murdered in Europe during the Holocaust, but no one mourns for what Mussolini did in Ethiopia to the Falasha Jews.

This is off topic, but the Jews in question you're talking about under Mussolini are still considered Holocaust victims. Doesn't matter if they were exterminated by Nazi Germany, Vichy France or Fascist Italy.

Post: #46

(01-24-2012 10:02 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Wow I did not expect this thread to blow up like this.

Quote:We mourn for the Jews who were murdered in Europe during the Holocaust, but no one mourns for what Mussolini did in Ethiopia to the Falasha Jews.

This is off topic, but the Jews in question you're talking about under Mussolini are still considered Holocaust victims. Doesn't matter if they were exterminated by Nazi Germany, Vichy France or Fascist Italy.

Not to mention who the eff is that guy to tell people who to mourn? Ridiculous. Or where they get their information? Social studies class? If I went to an American University and took a social studies class and that's all I knew, I'd hate the U.S. too.

Post: #47

(01-24-2012 10:02 PM)P Dog Wrote:  Wow I did not expect this thread to blow up like this.

Quote:We mourn for the Jews who were murdered in Europe during the Holocaust, but no one mourns for what Mussolini did in Ethiopia to the Falasha Jews.

This is off topic, but the Jews in question you're talking about under Mussolini are still considered Holocaust victims. Doesn't matter if they were exterminated by Nazi Germany, Vichy France or Fascist Italy.

P,

IIRC, there's no mention of the Falasha Jews at the National Holocaust Museum.

The average American has a preconceived notion of what a Jewish person is and what one looks like.

To the other dude, you're getting way over emotional.

I'm not telling you who to mourn, what to do, or anything else. I was just providing information based off your response. Again, you're the one who said "stick to what you know". You can't speak on what on I can speak on, so you should follow your own advice.

Post: #48

(01-24-2012 02:19 PM)houston Wrote:  I'm not a patriot at all but I'm willing to bet that most America haters would move here in a heartbeat if given the chance.

Houston,

That is an attitude that a lot of non-Americans have come to loathe.

Many people actually believe that this country is the best country on Earth, to the point that it's practically the only country worth living in and everyone who isn't, is dying to be here.

Just as Americans love their country, other people love theirs as well.

Post: #49

I am so sick of us having our own problems to deal with, AND being blamed for the rest of the worlds problems. It also bugs me when non Americans tell me the entire continent is America so we cant call ourseves Americans. Screw that, if your from Mexico, your Mexican. If your from Italy, your Italian. WTF do you want us to call ourseves? And seriously, that is one of the reasons you dont like America, because what we call ourselves?

Im not saying we have a perfect record, but really, the US isnt responsible for everything wrong around the galaxy.

Which country DOESNT look out for it's best interest?

Post: #50

(01-25-2012 05:02 PM)sylo Wrote:  I am so sick of us having our own problems to deal with, AND being blamed for the rest of the worlds problems. It also bugs me when non Americans tell me the entire continent is America so we cant call ourseves Americans. Screw that, if your from Mexico, your Mexican. If your from Italy, your Italian. WTF do you want us to call ourseves? And seriously, that is one of the reasons you dont like America, because what we call ourselves?

Im not saying we have a perfect record, but really, the US isnt responsible for everything wrong around the galaxy.

Which country DOESNT look out for it's best interest?

America looks out for its own best interests? I'm American, with a crapload of student loans, like millions of other Americans and the U.S. gov doesn't give a rats ass about that. It spends more on Israelis, Afghanis, and Iraqis then its own people. This has been going on for at least the last 30-40 years.

The entire political and economic system in the US has been rigged so that it's completely dominated by the corporate elites and right wing conservatives. The US does what's in the interest of these two groups. Everyone else in America is shit out of luck. You have no say in anything and are continually ass raped by credit card companies, banks, mortgage companies, private universities, etc.

And re: people in Latin America getting pissed about us calling ourselves American, it's because they say the whole western hemisphere is American. It's like if a European country like Sweden said it is now also going to be called "Europe", wouldn't the other European countries just think that is stupid and arrogant?

And they also get pissed at stuff like calling the baseball championship the "World" Series. These are all valid points. Americans are overly nationalistic, which is sad because IMO a majority of Americans know very little about America other than "America, fuck yeah, we're number one!"

If you asked the average American what century the US was founded, what country the US gained independence from, approximately how many US troops died in Iraq, who the current Vice President is, how many people live in America, what the national capital is, or what the national anthem is I seriously doubt more than 25% could get even two of those questions right.

I am not trying to be a hater... just being honest.