Post: #26

Can you guys please share some protein shake recipes?

Post: #27

(03-14-2012 06:23 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Can you guys please share some protein shake recipes?

The one I'm using now (thanks to this thread: /thread-11199-...#pid178336)


Few ice cubes
2 scoops of preferred chocolate protein
8oz of almond milk
1 tbsp of coffee grounds (preferably flavored but unsweetened, I like chocolate)


Its simple, low carb, and tasty. The coffee does make it a bit gritty, which I kind of enjoy to be honest, but the flavor the straight grounds add is boss.

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Post: #28

(03-14-2012 08:05 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 06:23 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  Can you guys please share some protein shake recipes?

The one I'm using now (thanks to this thread: /thread-11199-...#pid178336)


Few ice cubes
2 scoops of preferred chocolate protein
8oz of almond milk
1 tbsp of coffee grounds (preferably flavored but unsweetened, I like chocolate)


Its simple, low carb, and tasty. The coffee does make it a bit gritty, which I kind of enjoy to be honest, but the flavor the straight grounds add is boss.

that sounds really good.

Protein shakes one of those things to experiment with to find what works with both the person and the workout the person is using. I've heard people give some seriously asinine opinions on supplements.\

Asking what is the best one is not the right question just because whatever works for the individual is the best one.

i think a good tactic is to play with some additional ingredients to mix it up. i've heard an olympic level trainer, old school guy who advised to his athletes to supplement with whole milk and that's it.

Post: #29

Chad's is awesome, you'll never go back to normal iced coffees.

One I rocked in the summer when I had an infinite supply of blueberries:
1c frozen blueberries
1 avocado
1 scoop protein (vanilla or another neutral flavour)
pinch of cinnamon
ice

Post: #30

so what are the negatives to protein shakes and why do some people go against it?

i don't lift heavy as i'm not trying to be the biggest dude in the room. i'm pretty lean as is (i jog every night, lift moderate/light weights in the morning, and play basketball or swim every other day) and i'm not trying to bulk, should i be drinking protein shakes every day? i admit on days where i'm extremely busy i skip breakfast and just get coffee or something, should i substitute this for a protein shake?

Post: #31

(03-14-2012 11:39 PM)the chef Wrote:  so what are the negatives to protein shakes and why do some people go against it?

i don't lift heavy as i'm not trying to be the biggest dude in the room. i'm pretty lean as is (i jog every night, lift moderate/light weights in the morning, and play basketball or swim every other day) and i'm not trying to bulk, should i be drinking protein shakes every day? i admit on days where i'm extremely busy i skip breakfast and just get coffee or something, should i substitute this for a protein shake?

It's best to use natural protein powders with little to no additives in them

Post: #32

For those looking for a good tasting protein powder, check out Beverly International. A little more pricey than most brands, but easily the best tasting protein powder I've found.

Post: #33

Is there a benefit to getting fancy with shakes?

My normal shake is one scoop powder (25g protein) and 8 ounces of water. 3 times a day normally after each meal.

Post: #34

I personally use
One World Whey

For years I have had great results with
Optimum Nutrition

Post: #35

you guys are tough enough to do the most backbreaking exercises but ask each other for "good tasting" shakes.

Man up and just down the fucker in 3 seconds.

I eat 500 grams of unflavored quark every day to get 45 grams of extra proteine. Stuff is sour as hell.

Post: #36

I buy this stuff called Body Fortress from Walmart. Two scoops equals 52grams of whey protein and its only $16. Chocolate peanut butter flavor goes down easy.

Post: #37

There's a few things to consider when buying a protein powder. The first is your budget and the second is your tolerance of dairy.

If you suspect you have any intolerance to dairy, do not get casein powder or any blend that contains casein. Many people who have trouble drinking milk, etc.. equate that to lactose intolerance when the real issue is casein. That's what I thought so I was still taking casein powders and eating dairy (mostly cheese) that was low in lactose. When I kicked all dairy (exception of whey), I felt much better within a couple of days. I kid you not, eliminating dairy is one of the most important things I have done to improve my day-to-day quality of life.

If you are mildy sensitive to dairy like me, you should be alright with whey, even concentrate. If you are highly sensitive to dairy, isolate is better. And if you are really allergic (not just sensitive) to dairy, you may have to go with egg protein, beef aminos, or something else that is not derived from milk. As mentioned True Nutrition has a pretty good range of products. I have found TN powders to be lacking in mixability and taste however.

If you can tolerate dairy pretty well and you have the budget, go for a grass-fed whey without a lot of additives as the others mentioned.

I personally have a pretty low budget so I use the CytoSport Whey (80/20 mix of concentrate to isolate). I get it at Costco for about $6/lb which is a really good deal. It is one of the best tasting proteins I've used and it mixes really well. It not quite as high-quality as some other more expensive proteins but I only use protein for peri-workout shakes so it's not a big part of my intake anyways.

Post: #38

Also, here are two quick recipes...

For my workouts - Sweet Potato Shake (when I need a dose of carbs):
Bunch of Ice
2-3 cups H20
5 scoops of vanilla whey
4 large sweet potatoes (pre-boiled and I use a mix of orange and purple varieties)
A few pinches of cinnamon

Blend all that together.

This is essentially a liquid pumpkin pie. It is absolutely awesome. I drink about 1/3 before I lift and then crush the rest afterwards.

As a snack - Vanilla/Coconut Frosting (I eat fairly low-carb outside of WO times):
2 scoops of vanilla whey
2 tbsp of melted coconut oil

Melt the coconut oil, put it in a bowl, and then add your whey. Mix it together and add small doses of water as needed until it mixes into a paste. Pop it into the freezer for 5-10 minutes and it'll come out like a frosting. Eat that plain or put it on top of something. Its BOMB. You can also sub your favorite nut butter (almond, macadamia, cashew are all winners) for the coconut oil. Equally awesome.

Post: #39

Should I be concerned about the soy lechitin in many of these protein powders?

Post: #40

^ Yes Soy Lecthin is used as a cheap protien filler in a lot of powders. Its insane how many at GNC are full of crap like this. I am using the Body Fortress Chocolate Isolate also. As far as price goes you can't beat it. It is quite clean and you get a good percentage of protien per scoop.

I don't buy into the 'natural' 'organic' protien stuff. Its hype Whey has to be processed to shits to be legally sold. Any benefits of it being natural would be lost anyway through the heat and processing. The fillers and chemicals are things to look for. Indeed going 'unflavoured', or 'pure' is best even though it tastes like dog shit.

Anybody have experiences in buying wholesale bulk?

Post: #41

(03-15-2012 01:57 AM)mofo Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:39 PM)the chef Wrote:  so what are the negatives to protein shakes and why do some people go against it?

i don't lift heavy as i'm not trying to be the biggest dude in the room. i'm pretty lean as is (i jog every night, lift moderate/light weights in the morning, and play basketball or swim every other day) and i'm not trying to bulk, should i be drinking protein shakes every day? i admit on days where i'm extremely busy i skip breakfast and just get coffee or something, should i substitute this for a protein shake?

Negatives of regular protein shakes: Unnatural ingredients like flavourint, etc.

Buy an organic, unflavoured protein shake, grass fed, hormone free and drink it after hardcore workouts and also if you have to hurry in the morning make a quick healthy smoothie with organic protein powder.
It takes 3 minutes to make.

cool, thanks. but do protein shakes keep me lean? i seem to be getting mixed responses. it appears to me that protein shakes are for dudes who lift heavy and want to get big and bulk... if so, that's not what i'm looking for.

Post: #42

(03-16-2012 02:41 PM)the chef Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:57 AM)mofo Wrote:  

(03-14-2012 11:39 PM)the chef Wrote:  so what are the negatives to protein shakes and why do some people go against it?

i don't lift heavy as i'm not trying to be the biggest dude in the room. i'm pretty lean as is (i jog every night, lift moderate/light weights in the morning, and play basketball or swim every other day) and i'm not trying to bulk, should i be drinking protein shakes every day? i admit on days where i'm extremely busy i skip breakfast and just get coffee or something, should i substitute this for a protein shake?

Negatives of regular protein shakes: Unnatural ingredients like flavourint, etc.

Buy an organic, unflavoured protein shake, grass fed, hormone free and drink it after hardcore workouts and also if you have to hurry in the morning make a quick healthy smoothie with organic protein powder.
It takes 3 minutes to make.

cool, thanks. but do protein shakes keep me lean? i seem to be getting mixed responses. it appears to me that protein shakes are for dudes who lift heavy and want to get big and bulk... if so, that's not what i'm looking for.

seriously?

I can't believe this has to be explained but you don't get big or bulky by taking in a protein shake. All a protein shake is, is an efficient way to get your protein intake up, I take in 250 grams of protein a day, eating that amount of protein in chicken in a day id wanna kill myself, I throw in 2-3 shakes a day and it makes hitting my number cake. It's simple math, your body to maintain its weight needs x amount of calories, if you want it to get bigger, you need to add calories to x, if you want to lose weight you subtract calories from x. A shake with 50 grams of protein, a good quality protein in water will have maybe 250 calories. Work that into your macro plan...if you need 2000 cals a day to maintain weight and you take 2 shakes a day youve got 500 cals covered you got 1500 to play with the rest of the day and you'll maintain. If you're just eating like normal and adding 2 shakes a day you're adding 500 cals to your normal routine and you'll put on weight. So no a shake in itself won't make you anything, it's what you do with your diet as a whole and your training as a whole that will dictate what you'll look like, a shakes just one tool in your diet arsenal.

Post: #43

I`ll go against the grain here and say that i have stopped using protein powders/whey powders.
Been using them for over 5 years then ran out one day and decided lets try something a bit different.
I now instead use raw eggs whites in my shakes in stead of powders! I buy frozen egg whites - i litre for about 6 Aussie dollars.
I use about 300-400ml of skim milk
1 banana
100-150 ml of raw eggs whites
1 teaspoon of chocolate quik or a dab of cinnamon
Blend it all up and drink!

I usually have this after a weight work out. You get about 30 plus grams of quality easily digestable protein without the bloat i used to get from powders.Been doing this for under a year now and results have been very good!

I`m still putting on decent muscle aged 43. Natural good foods is the way to go with sensible supplementation. No magic formulas unfortunately.

Post: #44

(03-16-2012 06:27 PM)Downunder Wrote:  I`ll go against the grain here and say that i have stopped using protein powders/whey powders.
Been using them for over 5 years then ran out one day and decided lets try something a bit different.
I now instead use raw eggs whites in my shakes in stead of powders! I buy frozen egg whites - i litre for about 6 Aussie dollars.
I use about 300-400ml of skim milk
1 banana
100-150 ml of raw eggs whites
1 teaspoon of chocolate quik or a dab of cinnamon
Blend it all up and drink!

I usually have this after a weight work out. You get about 30 plus grams of quality easily digestable protein without the bloat i used to get from powders.Been doing this for under a year now and results have been very good!

I`m still putting on decent muscle aged 43. Natural good foods is the way to go with sensible supplementation. No magic formulas unfortunately.

if youre using a good protein powder bloats not an issue its the cheap garbage full of fillers and cheap concentrates that bloat most up. That said egg whites are a great way to go if you can get them down most people dont love the idea and they arent anywhere near as cheap in my neck of the words, I pay more for a quarter the egg whites, just isnt a feasible option for me. Arnolds protein shake back in the day was a milkshake with egg whites and it served him well.

Post: #45

(03-16-2012 01:26 PM)kosko Wrote:  I don't buy into the 'natural' 'organic' protien stuff. Its hype Whey has to be processed to shits to be legally sold. Any benefits of it being natural would be lost anyway through the heat and processing. The fillers and chemicals are things to look for. Indeed going 'unflavoured', or 'pure' is best even though it tastes like dog shit.

Anybody have experiences in buying wholesale bulk?

somewhat inaccurate.
Cheap protein is garbage and does not metabolize well.

Organic UN-heated protein is best.
Flavor should not be a concern if you buy the high quality good stuff.

Also DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT DRINK OR EAT RAW EGG WHITES ! you are doing more harm than good. YOKES RAW, Egg whites cooked !
and please do not follow what professional bodybuilders do ! those guys take so many short cuts and have so much bad habits that it does not serve the average person well.

Post: #46

(03-17-2012 07:17 AM)velkrum Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 01:26 PM)kosko Wrote:  I don't buy into the 'natural' 'organic' protien stuff. Its hype Whey has to be processed to shits to be legally sold. Any benefits of it being natural would be lost anyway through the heat and processing. The fillers and chemicals are things to look for. Indeed going 'unflavoured', or 'pure' is best even though it tastes like dog shit.

Anybody have experiences in buying wholesale bulk?

somewhat inaccurate.
Cheap protein is garbage and does not metabolize well.

Organic UN-heated protein is best.
Flavor should not be a concern if you buy the high quality good stuff.

Also DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT DRINK OR EAT RAW EGG WHITES ! you are doing more harm than good. YOKES RAW, Egg whites cooked !
and please do not follow what professional bodybuilders do ! those guys take so many short cuts and have so much bad habits that it does not serve the average person well.

I should have clarified liquid egg whites that have been pasteurized, I assume thats what the poster was talking about as most products sold in stores are pasteurized but thats my bad, I should've been explicit.... not a simple crack an egg and pour out an egg white as its risky and its bioavailability goes way down. As for pro lifters taking short cuts, I assume you're talking gear, but if you're talking diet, there are no short cuts with a persons diet the rules are universal, dont know what you're implying there?

Post: #47

(03-17-2012 08:31 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 07:17 AM)velkrum Wrote:  

(03-16-2012 01:26 PM)kosko Wrote:  I don't buy into the 'natural' 'organic' protien stuff. Its hype Whey has to be processed to shits to be legally sold. Any benefits of it being natural would be lost anyway through the heat and processing. The fillers and chemicals are things to look for. Indeed going 'unflavoured', or 'pure' is best even though it tastes like dog shit.

Anybody have experiences in buying wholesale bulk?

somewhat inaccurate.
Cheap protein is garbage and does not metabolize well.

Organic UN-heated protein is best.
Flavor should not be a concern if you buy the high quality good stuff.

Also DO NOT REPEAT DO NOT DRINK OR EAT RAW EGG WHITES ! you are doing more harm than good. YOKES RAW, Egg whites cooked !
and please do not follow what professional bodybuilders do ! those guys take so many short cuts and have so much bad habits that it does not serve the average person well.

I should have clarified liquid egg whites that have been pasteurized, I assume thats what the poster was talking about as most products sold in stores are pasteurized but thats my bad, I should've been explicit.... not a simple crack an egg and pour out an egg white as its risky and its bioavailability goes way down. As for pro lifters taking short cuts, I assume you're talking gear, but if you're talking diet, there are no short cuts with a persons diet the rules are universal, dont know what you're implying there?

Yes i did mean to say Pasteurized Liquid egg whites and not raw cracked from eggs!

Post: #48

Ya there's a toxic enzyme in raw egg whites that body can't break down.

Fill me in on 'un-heated' whey protien. I thought the shit had to be 'cleaned' and 'cooked'. Like I have seen some messed up hi-grade 'Whey' supplements that you have to keep in the fridge is this similar to the 'un-heated' stuff your talking bout?

Post: #49

(03-17-2012 08:31 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  I should have clarified liquid egg whites that have been pasteurized, I assume thats what the poster was talking about as most products sold in stores are pasteurized but thats my bad, I should've been explicit.... not a simple crack an egg and pour out an egg white as its risky and its bioavailability goes way down. As for pro lifters taking short cuts, I assume you're talking gear, but if you're talking diet, there are no short cuts with a persons diet the rules are universal, dont know what you're implying there?

I'm talking about nutrition and you have it backwards. Pasteurization DESTROYS nutrients and reduces nutrient availability.

Pasteurization of any type of food is bad.

Consuming Raw EGG YOKES is very healthy, very safe and has the highest nutrient BIO-AVAILABILITY.

Egg whites on the other hand contain avidin which is a nutrient blocker. Egg whites raw or pasteurized should NEVER be consumed unless cooked.

@ kosko

Raw milk and protein doesn't need to be cleaned and cooked. Cows that are fed an unnatural diet of grains become susceptible to infection and sickness (cows are biologically designed to eat grass not grains). When cows get sick from their unnatural diet their milk becomes disease ridden and must be pasteurized. That is why you want to eat organic grass fed meat.

As far as protein goes...unheated protein from a grass fed cow is actually helpful and loaded with helpful nutrients that have not been destroyed by the heating (pasteurization) process. protein powders do not need to be refrigerated.

Post: #50

(03-17-2012 07:22 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:31 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  I should have clarified liquid egg whites that have been pasteurized, I assume thats what the poster was talking about as most products sold in stores are pasteurized but thats my bad, I should've been explicit.... not a simple crack an egg and pour out an egg white as its risky and its bioavailability goes way down. As for pro lifters taking short cuts, I assume you're talking gear, but if you're talking diet, there are no short cuts with a persons diet the rules are universal, dont know what you're implying there?

I'm talking about nutrition and you have it backwards. Pasteurization DESTROYS nutrients and reduces nutrient availability.

Pasteurization of any type of food is bad.

Consuming Raw EGG YOKES is very healthy, very safe and has the highest nutrient BIO-AVAILABILITY.

Egg whites on the other hand contain avidin which is a nutrient blocker. Egg whites raw or pasteurized should NEVER be consumed unless cooked.

@ kosko

Raw milk and protein doesn't need to be cleaned and cooked. Cows that are fed an unnatural diet of grains become susceptible to infection and sickness (cows are biologically designed to eat grass not grains). When cows get sick from their unnatural diet their milk becomes disease ridden and must be pasteurized. That is why you want to eat organic grass fed meat.

As far as protein goes...unheated protein from a grass fed cow is actually helpful and loaded with helpful nutrients that have not been destroyed by the heating (pasteurization) process. protein powders do not need to be refrigerated.

to be able to consume egg whites in liquid form they have to be pasteurized to kill the avidin and eliminate the risk of samonella...everything Ive read to date indicates that as long as the avidin and samonella risk is taken care of the egg whites are safe to consume.Itll lose some nutrients in the process of pasteurization but if the main purpose youre using it for is its protein then that remains unaffected. If you overcook egg whites however then youre down the same road as pasteurizing it, I try to soft boil my eggs or soft cook them whole [/align]personally as I dont like the consistancy of raw egg whites but as for never being consumed I dont know about that... If youve got some literature to point me to thats contrary to what Ive read to date point me to it id love to read it, always looking for the truth...