Post: #1

This is something a friend e-mailed me.

http://www.livingresearchinstitute.com/men/4dangers/

Not sure what to make of this 18-minute presentation, but thought it would make for interesting discussion. Sorry if it annoys or offends anyone. I couldn't really pay attention from start to finish. They're selling a product obviously.

Post: #2

give us the summary? I'm not gonna listen for 18 min.

Post: #3

(01-14-2012 06:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  give us the summary? I'm not gonna listen for 18 min.

Health-related. Decline in virility of men today compared with previous generations; the decline in testosterone and the resultant effects. They claim to have a product that addresses these problems.

Post: #4

(01-14-2012 06:23 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 06:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  give us the summary? I'm not gonna listen for 18 min.

Health-related. Decline in virility of men today compared with previous generations; the decline in testosterone and the resultant effects. They claim to have a product that addresses these problems.

The claims are true, from what I've seen, though I wouldn't buy a damn thing to fix that. Go to the gym and dont eat bullshit will fix all of that.

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Post: #5

(01-14-2012 08:05 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 06:23 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(01-14-2012 06:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  give us the summary? I'm not gonna listen for 18 min.

Health-related. Decline in virility of men today compared with previous generations; the decline in testosterone and the resultant effects. They claim to have a product that addresses these problems.

The claims are true, from what I've seen, though I wouldn't buy a damn thing to fix that. Go to the gym and dont eat bullshit will fix all of that.

Chad- what kind of workouts do you do at the gym?

Lately, I've been spending my time using the rower, skipping rope, general calisthenics (pullups, dips, pushups, situps) and kettlebells (Squats, lunges, shoulder raises, etc).

Also, even more important, what do you eat?

Post: #6

If you want to up your test levels naturally:

- Eat more fat, including saturated fat.
- Cut back on carbs, in particular sugar.
- Cut back on processed foods.
- Filter your water.
- Get more sleep, make sure its 8 hours a day and it needs to be solid
- Push real weight. Train heavy
- Cardio needs to be short by intense
- If you are fat, lose weight.
- Make sure you are getting all your vitamins.

Post: #7

Chemicals and things we take for granted like laptops are not good for men either. Chemical additives, sprays, solvents fuck around with our sperm and test levels. There is a CBC Doc called "The Disappearing Male" which talks about the decline male birth rates around the developed globe and its links to environmental factors. Before it was just the system you had to deal with as a male, now its the environment and diet that are coming after you also.

With laptops the continual warmth from they emit will mess your nuts up long term. I remember Gordon Ramsey making a joke that Chefs all smoke, can't get it up from to much strees, nor have kids because the heat from the stoves fries their nuts. The laptop thing is along the same lines. My homie told me about not keeping your cellphone in your front jean pockets either since the frequencies from the antenna mess around with our insides also, I haven't searched for any studies related to this but its something I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 100% true.

A lot of chips stacked against the modern Male. I could only imagine how hectic it will be for the young ones whom are a generation away from being adults.

Post: #8

(01-15-2012 08:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  Chemicals and things we take for granted like laptops are not good for men either. Chemical additives, sprays, solvents fuck around with our sperm and test levels. There is a CBC Doc called "The Disappearing Male" which talks about the decline male birth rates around the developed globe and its links to environmental factors. Before it was just the system you had to deal with as a male, now its the environment and diet that are coming after you also.

With laptops the continual warmth from they emit will mess your nuts up long term. I remember Gordon Ramsey making a joke that Chefs all smoke, can't get it up from to much strees, nor have kids because the heat from the stoves fries their nuts. The laptop thing is along the same lines. My homie told me about not keeping your cellphone in your front jean pockets either since the frequencies from the antenna mess around with our insides also, I haven't searched for any studies related to this but its something I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 100% true.

A lot of chips stacked against the modern Male. I could only imagine how hectic it will be for the young ones whom are a generation away from being adults.

I am skeptical of the warmth issue. I do agree that it probably has more to do with processed foods, chemicals, pollutants etc.

If this was really the case how did humans civilizations survive/grow/evolve from desert/sub-tropical environments where they could be exposed to 110-120+ degree weather for months on end?

And why don't we see such trends in those areas of the world today?

Post: #9

(04-29-2012 12:03 PM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 08:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  Chemicals and things we take for granted like laptops are not good for men either. Chemical additives, sprays, solvents fuck around with our sperm and test levels. There is a CBC Doc called "The Disappearing Male" which talks about the decline male birth rates around the developed globe and its links to environmental factors. Before it was just the system you had to deal with as a male, now its the environment and diet that are coming after you also.

With laptops the continual warmth from they emit will mess your nuts up long term. I remember Gordon Ramsey making a joke that Chefs all smoke, can't get it up from to much strees, nor have kids because the heat from the stoves fries their nuts. The laptop thing is along the same lines. My homie told me about not keeping your cellphone in your front jean pockets either since the frequencies from the antenna mess around with our insides also, I haven't searched for any studies related to this but its something I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 100% true.

A lot of chips stacked against the modern Male. I could only imagine how hectic it will be for the young ones whom are a generation away from being adults.

I am skeptical of the warmth issue. I do agree that it probably has more to do with processed foods, chemicals, pollutants etc.

If this was really the case how did humans civilizations survive/grow/evolve from desert/sub-tropical environments where they could be exposed to 110-120+ degree weather for months on end?

And why don't we see such trends in those areas of the world today?

Your nads have a built in thermostat function that allows them to stay at a temperature a few degrees lower than your body temperature. Man mades like laptops, stoves (I suppose) and a general lack of body awareness can indeed toast your nuts.

There was also a study where they tested male contraceptive methods. One of them found that taking a very hot bath for a few hours would fry your swimmers and you'd be completely unable to have kids for months. Apparently after that treatment it would take like three weeks of complete abstinence to get your swimmer count above a sub par level. It's a serious health issue and a good reason to take cold showers.

Post: #10

(04-29-2012 02:14 PM)Hades Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 12:03 PM)Pacesetter20 Wrote:  

(01-15-2012 08:38 PM)kosko Wrote:  Chemicals and things we take for granted like laptops are not good for men either. Chemical additives, sprays, solvents fuck around with our sperm and test levels. There is a CBC Doc called "The Disappearing Male" which talks about the decline male birth rates around the developed globe and its links to environmental factors. Before it was just the system you had to deal with as a male, now its the environment and diet that are coming after you also.

With laptops the continual warmth from they emit will mess your nuts up long term. I remember Gordon Ramsey making a joke that Chefs all smoke, can't get it up from to much strees, nor have kids because the heat from the stoves fries their nuts. The laptop thing is along the same lines. My homie told me about not keeping your cellphone in your front jean pockets either since the frequencies from the antenna mess around with our insides also, I haven't searched for any studies related to this but its something I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 100% true.

A lot of chips stacked against the modern Male. I could only imagine how hectic it will be for the young ones whom are a generation away from being adults.

I am skeptical of the warmth issue. I do agree that it probably has more to do with processed foods, chemicals, pollutants etc.

If this was really the case how did humans civilizations survive/grow/evolve from desert/sub-tropical environments where they could be exposed to 110-120+ degree weather for months on end?

And why don't we see such trends in those areas of the world today?

Your nads have a built in thermostat function that allows them to stay at a temperature a few degrees lower than your body temperature. Man mades like laptops, stoves (I suppose) and a general lack of body awareness can indeed toast your nuts.

There was also a study where they tested male contraceptive methods. One of them found that taking a very hot bath for a few hours would fry your swimmers and you'd be completely unable to have kids for months. Apparently after that treatment it would take like three weeks of complete abstinence to get your swimmer count above a sub par level. It's a serious health issue and a good reason to take cold showers.

Good stuff. This explains a lot and even how tight underwear is no good good keep air flowing so the sack can do its job of regulating temperature.

Post: #11

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Post: #12

Water supply. Water supply. Water supply.

The FIRST thing I'd advise any modern male to get is a reverse osmosis water filter. Yes, they're expensive ( $1000 range), but so are good clothes.

The theory is that so many dumped feminine hygiene products and pharmaceuticals have been dumped into the water that we're ingesting that crap, along with flouride and chlorine. Shit GMO foods coming from mineral depleted soil. Bad air of course.
( get tons of plants in your place ).

I thought all of this stuff was b.s. I was working in a club at the time, then somehow I ended up doing a small job ( 2 days ) outside, by a lake, in constant sunlight, with constant fresh air, cutting down trees.

After 2 days, I felt like a lion, the world literally looked different to me, like I felt like I almost owned it? I couldn't figure out why? Now, years later I understand....and I understand why a government would NOT want it's population to feel this vigorous. I understand now, why, soldiers turn into barbarians ( ripping people to shreds, posting pics on facebook about it ). Constant sun, fresh air, murdering...the old animal brain is kicked into gear again.

Post: #13

http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/10/21/...-about-it/

Post: #14

I'm not sure whether the claims of a generational decline in testosterone and/or sperm counts are true. To me they sound a lot like the claims that people are going through puberty earlier now than X generations ago, which I don't really buy. The evidence I see presented for this is mostly anecdotal, which is no good. I'd want to see peer reviewed studies published in very highly respected journals like the Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine before taking this seriously.

One particular man can increase or decrease his sperm count and testosterone by doing various things, but I don't think this proves that levels now are lower than two generations ago.

Post: #15

I have recently been really scared of xenoestrogens lately... while I don't heat my food in tupperware, styrofoam or cans, and don't eat soy, I do drink a lot from plastic bottles and eat lots of dairy (supposedly full of hormones). It's hard to know what's out there, particularly as I seem to be fighting reduced libido from some unrelated illness at the moment.

Post: #16

(05-02-2012 10:10 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  I'm not sure whether the claims of a generational decline in testosterone and/or sperm counts are true. To me they sound a lot like the claims that people are going through puberty earlier now than X generations ago, which I don't really buy. The evidence I see presented for this is mostly anecdotal, which is no good. I'd want to see peer reviewed studies published in very highly respected journals like the Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine before taking this seriously.

One particular man can increase or decrease his sperm count and testosterone by doing various things, but I don't think this proves that levels now are lower than two generations ago.

Women have been developing faster. Some places women are starting menstruate as early as 10 or 11. Men from my observations haven't been developing any faster if anything I think dudes look smaller now. I remember growing up and how big all the older kats we're at only 17 and 18 now when I look at 17 and 18 year dudes now they look smaller and were smaller than I was.

Post: #17

(05-04-2012 01:37 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 10:10 AM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  I'm not sure whether the claims of a generational decline in testosterone and/or sperm counts are true. To me they sound a lot like the claims that people are going through puberty earlier now than X generations ago, which I don't really buy. The evidence I see presented for this is mostly anecdotal, which is no good. I'd want to see peer reviewed studies published in very highly respected journals like the Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine before taking this seriously.

One particular man can increase or decrease his sperm count and testosterone by doing various things, but I don't think this proves that levels now are lower than two generations ago.

Women have been developing faster. Some places women are starting menstruate as early as 10 or 11. Men from my observations haven't been developing any faster if anything I think dudes look smaller now. I remember growing up and how big all the older kats we're at only 17 and 18 now when I look at 17 and 18 year dudes now they look smaller and were smaller than I was.

I've heard the claim that girls are developing faster as long as I've been interested in human evolutionary biology and psycchology, which seems like forever. But it's all anecdotal. Maybe, since we don't have data going far enough back, it's not possible to use hard data to prove or disprove this, I don't know.

The main reason that I'm sceptical is that it seems just a little too convenient. I don't have the inclination to set it out in detail right now, but basically I think that saying that girls now mature faster than in past generations gives modern progressive men, and women, a psychological "out". It allows them to feel OK about feeling and acting certain ways about their daughters, and other girls they feel responsible for. Essentially parents and authority figures are always going to have mixed feelings about their daughters/charges reaching sexual maturity.

Progessives can sometimes feel bad about this because many hold on to the "naturalistic falacy", holding that what is natural must also be good. Thus they feel they "shouldn't" have these feelings. However, if they can convince themselves that modern life, or whatever, has dramatically reduced the age a girl goes through puberty, they can rationalize that their feelings are due to the unatural environment they are forced to live in by the evil capitalists (or whatever). It works like a get out of (mental) jail card.

Post: #18

(05-01-2012 06:17 AM)Zep Wrote:  After 2 days, I felt like a lion, the world literally looked different to me, like I felt like I almost owned it? I couldn't figure out why? Now, years later I understand....and I understand why a government would NOT want it's population to feel this vigorous. I understand now, why, soldiers turn into barbarians (ripping people to shreds, posting pics on facebook about it ). Constant sun, fresh air, murdering...the old animal brain is kicked into gear again.

This last part is silly. You obviously have never been deployed.

Most soldiers are pumped up on redbull, monster, or rip-its.

It's actually a big problem dehydration from bad diet and dangerous combinations of supplements.

Besides I wouldn't trust uncle Sam to be doing us any favors with providing us better water. I KNOW they dont serve us the best/healthiest food. Not to mention those that do the water purification aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Though, I'd be interested in someone doing a study to see if there was any difference between military purified water an your average city drinking water.

Post: #19

It may be true that male sperm count is declining, but I really don't think this marketer has any solutions to offer. The nature of his material suggests he's some non-descript internet marketer who trolled the internet looking for things that trigger insecurity in people, stumbled upon the manosphere, and came up with this slightly-off-the-mark attempt to play on the whole "destruction of men" meme.

That said, the facts he's citing may indeed be true. Who knows.