Post: #76

(12-31-2011 11:14 AM)soup Wrote:  Don't know if this will motivate anybody, but it has for me:

Game really is like a skill, or sport. The more you practice, the better you will get. If you stop, your skill will atrophy. There are zones, low and high. I've experienced both this year in the form of seriously depressing cold streaks, and incredible Alpha runs where I'd threesome girls I'd just met one day and then pickup and bang a new one that same night (while having girls offer me their numbers sans prompt on that same glorious day).

So, you can get better, but you need to put in the work.

If it doesn't matter how you get motivated, you just have to do it. If not roughing-up the suspect gives you that extra motivation, then go for it. I am an atheist when it comes to the anti-wank movement, but I'll play agnostic for those who feel like it is helping.

I do have a problem with guys telling other guys that masturbation is bad for everyone, and that it will help motivate everybody to get better at game, without providing any hard evidence. My own experience contradicts these claims.

One could even argue that telling guys not to masturbate is another anti-male agenda..

Can't be universal, nothing in life is.

but, once many people start seeing results from something, an open individual will consider what they are doing.

I don't think anyone here has the sentiment that it's bad for the male population, but if you include that in an argument people who don't agree with it will crawl through that opening you leave them and ignore it.

"There's no way this effects me!"

"I'm not effected by this!"

etc.

Like anything, I recommend trying it for 2 weeks/30 days and seeing how it makes you feel. Run some n=1 experiments.

Post: #77

Not masturbating harmed me, though I am probably a very rare specimen. Ruins my "zero fucks given" vibe if I'm pent-up and need to nut.

Post: #78

(12-29-2011 06:09 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  5 minutes. After last wank. Now time for a shower and go out and game.

That's like eating a mcdonalds cheeseburger before going out for a steak dinner, and makes about as much sense.

There's no way you are going to be as hungry for the steak and moreover, when you do eat the steak, you are really not going to enjoy it as much as you would have if you were ravenously hungry.

Post: #79

I've had periods when I lost motivation - like right now for example - but it comes back when I go out and see a beautiful girl.

Post: #80

(01-03-2012 10:47 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(12-29-2011 06:09 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  5 minutes. After last wank. Now time for a shower and go out and game.

That's like eating a mcdonalds cheeseburger before going out for a steak dinner, and makes about as much sense.

There's no way you are going to be as hungry for the steak and moreover, when you do eat the steak, you are really not going to enjoy it as much as you would have if you were ravenously hungry.

he's going out to game so your analogy doesn't make much sense. i see a hot chick i wanna approach cause she's hot and i wanna fuck. i don't see how jerking once is gonna kill the desire. people that lose the desire to game is cause bitches give nasty attitudes and some people don't handle rejection that well and they think its not worth the hassle. its like telling someone don't eat breakfast cause he will be more hungry for dinner.

Post: #81

I went a week without jacking off and lasted a few minutes when I got some ass. That never happens so I don't think I'm going to keep up with the experiment

Post: #82

i guess you can also tell people to keep a girlfriend or 2. that way they don't have to game or jerk off.

Post: #83

(01-03-2012 11:44 AM)houston Wrote:  I went a week without jacking off and lasted a few minutes when I got some ass. That never happens so I don't think I'm going to keep up with the experiment

This happened to me, i cut out fappin an porn an i hooked up with a chick an gave her the best 46 seconds of her life before i busted. Fortunately i smashed this chick alot back in the day so she knew it wasnt how i usually roll... i honestly dont wanna turn back to porn an fappin... but being a minute man isnt something im down with either :/

Post: #84

(01-04-2012 10:53 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  This happened to me, i cut out fappin an porn an i hooked up with a chick an gave her the best 46 seconds of her life before i busted. Fortunately i smashed this chick alot back in the day so she knew it wasnt how i usually roll... i honestly dont wanna turn back to porn an fappin... but being a minute man isnt something im down with either :/

Yes, but if you don't jerk off at all, your recovery time will be a lot faster. At least that's what I have noticed. Of course the reason for busting so quickly in the first place is also because of a dependence on porn. Being constantly exposed to porn deadens your senses. So, after a period of absitence you are really recovering your senses to where they should be. Now, the challenge is just to learn to control yourself when you are with a chick, which will come with time.

Post: #85

Ive been fapping regularly and just got a new notch and I couldn't cum. Had to stop too cause her shit started hurting. Tried jacking off while making out and I still couldn't come. Girl was a 6.5 though and not the best fuck though great head but she stopped right as I was about to get there....

Post: #86

Does anybody else constantly try this and just lose it on days 4 or 5?

After about 4 days I go bonkers. I'll be checking out women I would never check out had I rubbed one out earlier in the day. I am DEAD SET on making it til this Sunday, therefor making it an entire week. I have yet to experience the day 6-7 testosterone spike.

One thing I have learned is that the card house falls easily. If I feel like looking at Audrina Patridge (with clothes on) on day 4, and believe me, I do, I need to resist. It's too easy to go hot girl with clothes -> hot girl without clothes -> pictures of girls getting fucked -> videos of girls getting fucked.

I've got my running mileage up to about 10-15 miles a week again, and I feel like this is really helping to take the edge off.

Post: #87

You can use the fap to motivate you to game. Set some rules like: "I'm not going to fap until I approach xx girls" or something like that.

Post: #88

(01-11-2012 06:27 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Does anybody else constantly try this and just lose it on days 4 or 5?

After about 4 days I go bonkers. I'll be checking out women I would never check out had I rubbed one out earlier in the day. I am DEAD SET on making it til this Sunday, therefor making it an entire week. I have yet to experience the day 6-7 testosterone spike.

One thing I have learned is that the card house falls easily. If I feel like looking at Audrina Patridge (with clothes on) on day 4, and believe me, I do, I need to resist. It's too easy to go hot girl with clothes -> hot girl without clothes -> pictures of girls getting fucked -> videos of girls getting fucked.

I've got my running mileage up to about 10-15 miles a week again, and I feel like this is really helping to take the edge off.

When you are walking around and the sight of a beautiful girl in tight jeans or yoga pants gives you a full, raging boner, then you know it's all worth it.

That never used to happen when I was masturbating and looking at porn on a frequent basis.

Post: #89

"people that lose the desire to game is cause bitches give nasty attitudes and some people don't handle rejection that well and they think its not worth the hassle." <-- This.

I try to tell myself that it's her loss and I shouldn't care if I get blown out or if the interaction simply goes nowhere, but I do care. If I didn't, I wouldn't have bothered to approach in the first place.

Porn/fapping or not has no bearing on MY situation. When I had the motivation to go out and game, it didn't matter if I fapped religiously or abstained. To each his own.

Post: #90

I watch way too much porn and jerk off a lot, so quite a few times when I've been hooking up with a girl and it comes time to stick it in, I've had trouble keeping my dick hard. It usually happens when I'm drunk but fuck. I gotta get off this shit.

Post: #91

I am almost livid at some of the nonsense in this thread. The folks whom defend masturbation to the death are very short sighted. How can one NOT see the correlation of porn+masturbation and its hindrance on motivation and thus game. How can you not think that your game would IMPROVE absent of porn+jerking. In old days this duo did not exist, if you strung one out in the shower quickly so what. Nowdays men have options to fullfill all types of fantasys online via mouse click, instead of prowling for real women who's body types I go nuts over I simply just go look at Jeneve Jolie and call it a night. As a seriel wanker and porn watcher who has the sex drive of a rabbit I can only look back to how destructive porn+wanking has been for me mentally. My mind is a wastefield now, I only persue women on gut instincts if she resembled a favorite porn star of mine. Wtf? How is this even that bit healthy? The dopamine levels in my brain are completely fucked now, wait+work= reward means shit to me now, I want my satisfaction quick! To the point I have been going with pros to get my needs met, why wait for flaky half ass women when I can pay and fuck the women of my liking?

You pro-wankers have no idea how bad it can get. My mind is completly ruined. Issues with ED happend (now fixed), to know dealing with nutting to quick when I can pull on my snake like a mad man for hours. Porn IMO is the biggest threat to men after feminism. No good comes from starting at unrealistic women for hours on end. Even in old days you had to WORK to acquire porn either from a good source, older brother or stealing it now it takes 30 second. All I am saying I am proof of the damage that porn+waking causes. This has been a 10yr+ journey of hell and I can only link the previous deterioration in my quality of life.

Sorry for the shitty quality of text here guys, on my phone. Would rather be at a PC to write such a long response. In the end the advocates for wanking are way the fuck off, unless it is a casual wank WITHOUT porn you are doing yourself great harm, I started out so niave to and it became a serious issue. You have been warned.

Post: #92

(01-13-2012 11:18 AM)kosko Wrote:  I am almost livid at some of the nonsense in this thread. The folks whom defend masturbation to the death are very short sighted. How can one NOT see the correlation of porn+masturbation and its hindrance on motivation and thus game. How can you not think that your game would IMPROVE absent of porn+jerking. In old days this duo did not exist, if you strung one out in the shower quickly so what. Nowdays men have options to fullfill all types of fantasys online via mouse click, instead of prowling for real women who's body types I go nuts over I simply just go look at Jeneve Jolie and call it a night. As a seriel wanker and porn watcher who has the sex drive of a rabbit I can only look back to how destructive porn+wanking has been for me mentally. My mind is a wastefield now, I only persue women on gut instincts if she resembled a favorite porn star of mine. Wtf? How is this even that bit healthy? The dopamine levels in my brain are completely fucked now, wait+work= reward means shit to me now, I want my satisfaction quick! To the point I have been going with pros to get my needs met, why wait for flaky half ass women when I can pay and fuck the women of my liking?

You pro-wankers have no idea how bad it can get. My mind is completly ruined. Issues with ED happend (now fixed), to know dealing with nutting to quick when I can pull on my snake like a mad man for hours. Porn IMO is the biggest threat to men after feminism. No good comes from starting at unrealistic women for hours on end. Even in old days you had to WORK to acquire porn either from a good source, older brother or stealing it now it takes 30 second. All I am saying I am proof of the damage that porn+waking causes. This has been a 10yr+ journey of hell and I can only link the previous deterioration in my quality of life.

Sorry for the shitty quality of text here guys, on my phone. Would rather be at a PC to write such a long response. In the end the advocates for wanking are way the fuck off, unless it is a casual wank WITHOUT porn you are doing yourself great harm, I started out so niave to and it became a serious issue. You have been warned.

Definitely agree that the ease of access and plethora of porn has turned a lot of guys in on themselves ,and given them warped visions of how an average chick is going to be in the sack.

If you find yourself going months on end without any real female contact but find yourself watching daily porn simultaneously I would say you need to cut the porn and use the time for another more social activity !

Post: #93

(01-13-2012 11:18 AM)kosko Wrote:  I am almost livid at some of the nonsense in this thread. The folks whom defend masturbation to the death are very short sighted. How can one NOT see the correlation of porn+masturbation and its hindrance on motivation and thus game. How can you not think that your game would IMPROVE absent of porn+jerking. In old days this duo did not exist, if you strung one out in the shower quickly so what. Nowdays men have options to fullfill all types of fantasys online via mouse click, instead of prowling for real women who's body types I go nuts over I simply just go look at Jeneve Jolie and call it a night. As a seriel wanker and porn watcher who has the sex drive of a rabbit I can only look back to how destructive porn+wanking has been for me mentally. My mind is a wastefield now, I only persue women on gut instincts if she resembled a favorite porn star of mine. Wtf? How is this even that bit healthy? The dopamine levels in my brain are completely fucked now, wait+work= reward means shit to me now, I want my satisfaction quick! To the point I have been going with pros to get my needs met, why wait for flaky half ass women when I can pay and fuck the women of my liking?

You pro-wankers have no idea how bad it can get. My mind is completly ruined. Issues with ED happend (now fixed), to know dealing with nutting to quick when I can pull on my snake like a mad man for hours. Porn IMO is the biggest threat to men after feminism. No good comes from starting at unrealistic women for hours on end. Even in old days you had to WORK to acquire porn either from a good source, older brother or stealing it now it takes 30 second. All I am saying I am proof of the damage that porn+waking causes. This has been a 10yr+ journey of hell and I can only link the previous deterioration in my quality of life.

Sorry for the shitty quality of text here guys, on my phone. Would rather be at a PC to write such a long response. In the end the advocates for wanking are way the fuck off, unless it is a casual wank WITHOUT porn you are doing yourself great harm, I started out so niave to and it became a serious issue. You have been warned.

Post: #94

Yep, you don't think you're addicted till you try and go cold turkey. I'm getting good at going 3-4 days. I really want to make it a week finally. If I can start Monday, I'll be a wolf by Fri/Sat.

Post: #95

(01-13-2012 12:05 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 11:18 AM)kosko Wrote:  I am almost livid at some of the nonsense in this thread. The folks whom defend masturbation to the death are very short sighted. How can one NOT see the correlation of porn+masturbation and its hindrance on motivation and thus game. How can you not think that your game would IMPROVE absent of porn+jerking. In old days this duo did not exist, if you strung one out in the shower quickly so what. Nowdays men have options to fullfill all types of fantasys online via mouse click, instead of prowling for real women who's body types I go nuts over I simply just go look at Jeneve Jolie and call it a night. As a seriel wanker and porn watcher who has the sex drive of a rabbit I can only look back to how destructive porn+wanking has been for me mentally. My mind is a wastefield now, I only persue women on gut instincts if she resembled a favorite porn star of mine. Wtf? How is this even that bit healthy? The dopamine levels in my brain are completely fucked now, wait+work= reward means shit to me now, I want my satisfaction quick! To the point I have been going with pros to get my needs met, why wait for flaky half ass women when I can pay and fuck the women of my liking?

You pro-wankers have no idea how bad it can get. My mind is completly ruined. Issues with ED happend (now fixed), to know dealing with nutting to quick when I can pull on my snake like a mad man for hours. Porn IMO is the biggest threat to men after feminism. No good comes from starting at unrealistic women for hours on end. Even in old days you had to WORK to acquire porn either from a good source, older brother or stealing it now it takes 30 second. All I am saying I am proof of the damage that porn+waking causes. This has been a 10yr+ journey of hell and I can only link the previous deterioration in my quality of life.

Sorry for the shitty quality of text here guys, on my phone. Would rather be at a PC to write such a long response. In the end the advocates for wanking are way the fuck off, unless it is a casual wank WITHOUT porn you are doing yourself great harm, I started out so niave to and it became a serious issue. You have been warned.

Masturbation will always be with you. You might want to to try to change up your surroundings- your environment, etc. Get a different perspective. Say to yourself "Hey, I'm not gonna j-off until I at least get one date a week for the next five weeks" or something like that.

Don't over-romanticize the Alpha thing.

There's a saying from Mexico:

"People who love from afar are assholes"

Don't get obsessed with the ideal- work with what you got first.

Post: #96

The motivation for gaming has nothing to do with wanking or not. When i go out to pick up girls, I GO OUT TO PICK UP GIRLS. It doesnt matter if i wanked or not.i'm not going out to have a drink or fun, i go out to find a girl. If i want real fun, i go hang out with my friends, smoke weed and play on the playstation.


I don't feel horny when i talk to a girl. I want to spit game and conquer her. I dont even want to be horny when i talk to a girl, attracted yes, horny NO. Being horny makes you needy.

I don't SSS (shit,shower and shave) for nothing. i have to dress sharp and spend money on transport to and back from the bars and spend money inside the bar. I do this because i want to fuck. It doesn't matter if i wank the same day or one week ago.

Guys here don't seem to understand that and make up excuses for not going out and doing what they should do. Approaching girls and spit game.

Wankers !

Post: #97

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  The motivation for gaming has nothing to do with wanking or not. When i go out to pick up girls, I GO OUT TO PICK UP GIRLS. It doesnt matter if i wanked or not.i'm not going out to have a drink or fun, i go out to find a girl. If i want real fun, i go hang out with my friends, smoke weed and play on the playstation.


I don't feel horny when i talk to a girl. I want to spit game and conquer her. I dont even want to be horny when i talk to a girl, attracted yes, horny NO. Being horny makes you needy.

I don't SSS (shit,shower and shave) for nothing. i have to dress sharp and spend money on transport to and back from the bars and spend money inside the bar. I do this because i want to fuck. It doesn't matter if i wank the same day or one week ago.

Guys here don't seem to understand that and make up excuses for not going out and doing what they should do. Approaching girls and spit game.

Wankers !

Post: #98

(01-14-2012 01:23 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  The motivation for gaming has nothing to do with wanking or not. When i go out to pick up girls, I GO OUT TO PICK UP GIRLS. It doesnt matter if i wanked or not.i'm not going out to have a drink or fun, i go out to find a girl. If i want real fun, i go hang out with my friends, smoke weed and play on the playstation.


I don't feel horny when i talk to a girl. I want to spit game and conquer her. I dont even want to be horny when i talk to a girl, attracted yes, horny NO. Being horny makes you needy.

I don't SSS (shit,shower and shave) for nothing. i have to dress sharp and spend money on transport to and back from the bars and spend money inside the bar. I do this because i want to fuck. It doesn't matter if i wank the same day or one week ago.

Guys here don't seem to understand that and make up excuses for not going out and doing what they should do. Approaching girls and spit game.

Wankers !

I think there is definitely a certain truth to what you say. If I want to meet and fuck a girl and I want it bad then nothing will stop me.

But I can't help denying plain biology, I have noticed limiting masturbating makes a difference. Girls I would have rejected before because she's 'not up to my standards' I fuck the shit out of if I haven't palmed the bishop.

If you're used to gaming girls and fucking girls regularly then neediness is not a problem, the lack of masturbation will make you into a mastercloser - because all you want to do is seal the deal and will do whatever it takes. It's kind of like electricity, you go the shortest route possible for the bang!

This has been my experience and it's helped and got me more lays.

Post: #99

I only lack motivation when I'm sick, busy with work, or simply have too many leads. The latter is most applicable lately

Post: #100

Also, I think you anti-wankers are confusing cause and effect here.

It's true that if you start banging more girls, you probably aren't going to be wanking as much because your sack will be getting drained regularly.

However, that does not mean that if you stop wanking, you'll start banging more girls. Don't let superstition get the best of you.

You'll be left with a full sack, and your body will just eat/recycle the cum or whatever.