Post: #51

I could be wrong, but I think a lot of this boils down to age, and financial resources. For instance, I think one could hardly make the case for P4P , if you are a young , virile, good looking male, with some degree of knowledge about approaching whores. Financial security is irrelevant at this point of your life , and therefore, a long term hook up seems to be the best option for securing constant pussy. Most, are oblivious , and the thought of paying for pussy, probably is associated with "weak" game, or senior moments. As you get older, and have less patience with dealing with whores, you tend to want things done quickly, since you have a shit load of pressing matters...Eg: business owner, home care, ventures. Therefore, P4P, can be quite favorable to your lifestyle.

In regard to financial resources, (and I don't mean those who have money to travel for one year around the world), older males who guard their money tighter than a crab guards its ass when entering water, P4P , seems to be a more attractive option. Wise pussy addicts, who are financially secure for the remainder of their life ,function in a controlled environment , and fucking daily, is not the paradigm he ascribes to. I don't even think he pays just because he has money, but have weighed out the options of exchanging a payment for pussy, vs., less stress. Hours of frenzied sex, beats months or years of being harangued.

Post: #52

(12-24-2011 10:16 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  I could be wrong, but I think a lot of this boils down to age, and financial resources. For instance, I think one could hardly make the case for P4P , if you are a young , virile, good looking male, with some degree of knowledge about approaching whores. Financial security is irrelevant at this point of your life , and therefore, a long term hook up seems to be the best option for securing constant pussy. Most, are oblivious , and the thought of paying for pussy, probably is associated with "weak" game, or senior moments. As you get older, and have less patience with dealing with whores, you tend to want things done quickly, since you have a shit load of pressing matters...Eg: business owner, home care, ventures. Therefore, P4P, can be quite favorable to your lifestyle.

In regard to financial resources, (and I don't mean those who have money to travel for one year around the world), older males who guard their money tighter than a crab guards its ass when entering water, P4P , seems to be a more attractive option. Wise pussy addicts, who are financially secure for the remainder of their life ,function in a controlled environment , and fucking daily, is not the paradigm he ascribes to. I don't even think he pays just because he has money, but have weighed out the options of exchanging a payment for pussy, vs., less stress. Hours of frenzied sex, beats months or years of being harangued.

Nicely stated.

Post: #53

(12-24-2011 10:16 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  I could be wrong, but I think a lot of this boils down to age, and financial resources. For instance, I think one could hardly make the case for P4P , if you are a young , virile, good looking male, with some degree of knowledge about approaching whores. Financial security is irrelevant at this point of your life , and therefore, a long term hook up seems to be the best option for securing constant pussy. Most, are oblivious , and the thought of paying for pussy, probably is associated with "weak" game, or senior moments. As you get older, and have less patience with dealing with whores, you tend to want things done quickly, since you have a shit load of pressing matters...Eg: business owner, home care, ventures. Therefore, P4P, can be quite favorable to your lifestyle.

In regard to financial resources, (and I don't mean those who have money to travel for one year around the world), older males who guard their money tighter than a crab guards its ass when entering water, P4P , seems to be a more attractive option. Wise pussy addicts, who are financially secure for the remainder of their life ,function in a controlled environment , and fucking daily, is not the paradigm he ascribes to. I don't even think he pays just because he has money, but have weighed out the options of exchanging a payment for pussy, vs., less stress. Hours of frenzied sex, beats months or years of being harangued.

Nice breakdown. Also, certain men pay for discretion (Eliot Spitzer comes to mind). These men are wealthy/powerful, and in the case of politicians, charismatic. They're magnets for women, and have it thrown at them constantly. But if you're down in Washington for an afternoon and your schedule is tight, you don't have time for the hunt, and as a public person you can't fuck with just anyone and have them immediately sell the story to the media, or simply be spotted out in public talking to a chick. So you call a service that will at least attempt to protect your privacy.

Post: #54

There are a lot of little things missing when you go with hookers. Don't count on a wake-up bj or being surprised one night as she dresses up sexy for you. Want something exotic - prepare to negotiate it in advance. Those weekends where you'd lounge around on the couch messing around with each other for 4 hours - hopefully you have the foresight to plan some of those on occasion with paid company, and $1000 to make it happen.

Realistically, you'll probably just have less female company in your life. I think calculating time/money spent on getting laid conventionally vs with a hooker just misses too many intangibles to make for a fair comparison. The only time it makes sense to me is to break a dry spell

Post: #55

"Realistically, you'll probably just have less female company in your life. I think calculating time/money spent on getting laid conventionally vs with a hooker just misses too many intangibles to make for a fair comparison. The only time it makes sense to me is to break a dry spell"

True. This is the reason that most Johns are married guys, older guys, or dudes who have trouble getting laid the conventional way.


I personally don't care if a dude frequents hookers, I just don't like it when Johns try to brag about their "bangs."

Post: #56

(12-24-2011 08:27 PM)Easy E Wrote:  "Realistically, you'll probably just have less female company in your life. I think calculating time/money spent on getting laid conventionally vs with a hooker just misses too many intangibles to make for a fair comparison. The only time it makes sense to me is to break a dry spell"

True. This is the reason that most Johns are married guys, older guys, or dudes who have trouble getting laid the conventional way.


I personally don't care if a dude frequents hookers, I just don't like it when Johns try to brag about their "bangs."

Bragging about banging in the P4P world, is hardly any different from bragging about fucking a different chick every night, when you have stress, lies, and hoops to jump thru. If a man tells you he has a ton of bitches in rotation, and no stress, dislodge his vocal cords , for he is a liar!

Post: #57

(12-24-2011 11:38 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 08:27 PM)Easy E Wrote:  "Realistically, you'll probably just have less female company in your life. I think calculating time/money spent on getting laid conventionally vs with a hooker just misses too many intangibles to make for a fair comparison. The only time it makes sense to me is to break a dry spell"

True. This is the reason that most Johns are married guys, older guys, or dudes who have trouble getting laid the conventional way.


I personally don't care if a dude frequents hookers, I just don't like it when Johns try to brag about their "bangs."

Bragging about banging in the P4P world, is hardly any different from bragging about fucking a different chick every night, when you have stress, lies, and hoops to jump thru. If a man tells you he has a ton of bitches in rotation, and no stress, dislodge his vocal cords , for he is a liar!

Actually, bragging about P4P conquests is very different from bragging about girls you bang using game. P4P is a business transaction while gaming girls actually requires some skill (even if you are using "baller game").

That is the reason that Roosh doesn't allow guys on this forum to post trip reports about banging hookers.

Post: #58

(12-25-2011 09:55 AM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 11:38 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 08:27 PM)Easy E Wrote:  "Realistically, you'll probably just have less female company in your life. I think calculating time/money spent on getting laid conventionally vs with a hooker just misses too many intangibles to make for a fair comparison. The only time it makes sense to me is to break a dry spell"

True. This is the reason that most Johns are married guys, older guys, or dudes who have trouble getting laid the conventional way.


I personally don't care if a dude frequents hookers, I just don't like it when Johns try to brag about their "bangs."

Bragging about banging in the P4P world, is hardly any different from bragging about fucking a different chick every night, when you have stress, lies, and hoops to jump thru. If a man tells you he has a ton of bitches in rotation, and no stress, dislodge his vocal cords , for he is a liar!

Actually, bragging about P4P conquests is very different from bragging about girls you bang using game. P4P is a business transaction while gaming girls actually requires some skill (even if you are using "baller game").

That is the reason that Roosh doesn't allow guys on this forum to post trip reports about banging hookers.

You are always paying.

Post: #59

I like to get pussy about 70% from regular bitches and 30% from prepagos. I have had some great times with regular women but at times I just don't want to deal with them or put in all of the effort that is required for a guy like me to get some (I'm not ugly nor poor, but I'm not super good looking nor rich so figured it out).
It's also important for me to get constant reminders that pussy is not as valuable as movies, magazines, and even other men make it out to be. It costs $30 here to get laid with a descent looking bitch without going through the drama. At the same time, having a girl to hang out with, watch a movie, and just "hang" with is something I appreciate having...so in conclusion one shouldn't have to choose between p4p or regular...just enjoy both.

Post: #60

I've seen a lot of super old threads get resurrected, and so I was going through some really old threads to see what I'd find.

I ran across this, and it was one of the few from this era that got three pages of posts. It seems like the attitude towards P4P was a lot more open on the forum at that time. However, there's still a comment by Easy E three posts above about how even at this time, Roosh wouldn't allow trip reports about banging pros.

The forum in general has gotten a lot more strict, with people getting banned for things that would pass in the old days. At least in this case, I approve. I think it's correct that this forum should emphasize getting girls purely with game.

For the old timers, when did the attitudes about P4P on the forum start to harden against it? Was there any particular issue or catalyst, or was it just gradual?

Post: #61

Wasn't it Charlie Sheen that said something like, "I don't pay her for sex, I pay her to leave"

Obviously not the best example, but I don't really see too much of a problem with people paying whores, that could be banging top tier tail anyway, it's just less hassle because of some slut trying to get knocked up, saying you raped her and the tabloids etc.

Post: #62

I wanted to share a little story but before that I'd like to preface with I don't do p4p myself. Not because I think it's evil but more so because I enjoy "the hunt" of obtaining a girl.

Anyway a client of mine, who's now a friend,
makes stupid amounts of money. So one night he took me out for food and drinks with two of his buddies. One of the guys owns an entertainment agency that supplies companies with models for commercials, magazine ads, etc.

After dinner the guy calls four girls and tells us, "you guys can choose any but the one in blue, she's mine". These girls were bonafide nines, only because I don't give 10s to anyone. We pair up and go for drinks and I shit you not, it was one of the best nights I've had in a long time. Not because we were doing anything crazy but it was one of those nights where you go out with a group and everything clicks. The jokes you hear are funny, the jokes you crack make everyone bust up laughing, just a good time all around.

At around 3am the agency guy says he's going to call it a night and proceeds to leave with his girl. It was like some unspoken signal because the rest of us started dispersing as well. My girl links arms with me and playfully says, "So, where you taking me now?" Of course I deadpan "my hotel", and the rest is history. We banged 3 times that night and it was definitely one of my top 3 lays. Facials, swallowing, every position in the kama sutra, you name it, she was not only down but enthusiastic.

I didn't pay a dime that night but later I asked my buddy if she was paid for and he said "nah my friend probably gave her some pocket money for coming out but nothing serious". Later turns out that pocket money for these guys is around 2 grand.

Sometimes after banging some chick I've been putting in work on, I gaze at her sleeping and think "I could save a lot of time if I just banged those high end hookers" but then I usually get horny again and forget all about it and just continue gaming and banging. It's a vicious cycle really.

Post: #63

2 g's is pretty significant for a bang for most the people on here. I don't think P4P is always bad, in some countries guys go out and bang 8's and 9's for $20.

I think the bad part about it is when guys give up on game and real women and become strictly P4P. I actually think having a sugar baby that reluctantly bangs some beta once in a while is way worse than a straight up P4P.

Post: #64

@Roast beef,

The early days I wasn't really here for, but it got real strict at least by the time Greek Kamaki met up with Roosh in real life.

And you can tell that mongering discussion brings out the worst in people, and the worst people.

There are a lot of guys that don't see anything wrong with it, so for them there are other appropriate forums.

WIA

Post: #65

To me, game is about a challenge. Any dude can reach into his bank account and pull out some cash, therefore that lay means absolutely nothing in terms of pride.

When I go out and open a chick a bar, deal with her initial bitchiness, disarm her friends, sidestep the cock blockers, befriend the white knight, convince her of the venue changes, seperate her from the pack, bounce her to my place, deal with the LMR, and finally get the bang, I am proud of myself.

Last week I finally succeeded in banging an eighteen year old 7.5-8 I've been in a couple dates with. I chipped through her ice with the precision of a World class sculpter and finally had an afternoon an animalistic sex with a hot chick 10 years younger me. I took probably about 12 hours of total face-to-face interaction plus the text game. I was damn proud of that lay.

A few days ago I had an online chick come over. It was a complete agreed upon hookup, we talked for about 5 minutes than went to the bedroom. She left immediately afterwards. I didn't do any type of game, I just had to simply be the stunt cock of the night. A bangs a bang, but there's nothing to write home or pride myself in that one.

A notch isn't a notch unless I earn it.

Post: #66

Paying for drinks, dinner and everything else is akin to paying tuition fees.

P4P buys you the answers and a fake diploma.

The way WIA puts it, it's about a persons character, no?