Post: #51

Quote:I don't think hyper-analyzing race is productive for someone who's really trying to get the most out of life, man. I think it's common for a lot of black males in the US to fall into that box where they interpret nearly everything in the world through a racial lens. That's just not cool.

True but to those of us that believe the issue of race IS in fact impacting on everything globally wouldn't you logically assume hyper analysis IS productive? Not asking you to agree or win you over to my line of thinking just asking you, wouldn't it be logical to want so solve one of the biggest problems of the face of the planet today? You need a lot of analysis to do that IMO because no one has yet solved that problem.

Quote: It's alright to go through a phase, especially when we're younger and just beginning to learn about the world around us, but getting out of that box is necessary to really get the most out of life. I think traveling and seeking new experiences that push you out of your comfort zone is the best way to do that. Gotta constantly evolve

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No offense but this sounds somewhat patronizing. I mean sure it's true nothing beats first hand knowledge but I don't need to fly to parts of Russian to know walking around with dark skin at night might not be the safest thing for me to do. There are numerous ways one can come to an informed decision that may not include personally putting yourself in the line of fire. The board is an example, books , visual media , personal accounts. Mind you I do believe you've had a lot of great success with the ladies (so have I!), but I draw different conclusions from that success.

Quote:I've opened myself to an entire new world just from that subtle shift in consciousness. I'm not naive about the world's problems, but you really don't know what a person thinks until you actually talk to them. Forming sweeping generalizations about people, nations and cultures you don't even know simply because they fit into your neat little box is not a good look. [\quote]

In my opinion, sometimes you don't know what a person thinks even when you DO talk to them, really it''s all in there actions IMO. My generalizations are formed from my experience as well as the heaping loads of EVIDENCE all around me. I don't assume that just because some German girl wants to get in my pants (true experience abroad) that it's comb-ayah time for me and other brotha in germany. In my opinion sexual conquests have nothing to do with racism. Racists have been sexing the people they oppress for ages, it doesn't mean they consider them equal. I look for other things like:

The distribution of wealth
The labor market
the incarceration rates
News reports
Personal experience
Friends experience

All these things don't mean you can't game a honey, especially if you have a mouth piece , some looks, some American status...I'm not disagreeing with you there. But I don't draw the same correlations based on that.


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Anyway, that dude Pitt hit me up with a PM to explain his posts. It's all good in spite of the escalation in rhetoric during our last exchange. I really wasn't trying to erode the quality of this discussion or offend any members, but I think it's best to move on from the race topic. Just starting a new thread is probably the way to go for those who want to keep it going.

Well we are having a peaceful exchange and have differing opinions that's all, keep on posting though, you are tearing it up!

Post: #52

(12-15-2011 04:35 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't think hyper-analyzing race is productive for someone who's really trying to get the most out of life, man. I think it's common for a lot of black males in the US to fall into that box where they interpret nearly everything in the world through a racial lens. That's just not cool. It's alright to go through a phase, especially when we're younger and just beginning to learn about the world around us, but getting out of that box is necessary to really get the most out of life. I think traveling and seeking new experiences that push you out of your comfort zone is the best way to do that. Gotta constantly evolve.

+1 for having read Brainwashed, but -100 for the bolded comment.

For a black person -- I'm assuming that's you in the picture -- to say that black males living in a society that has been designed for their peoples' collective failure need to stop seeing life as they are forced to see it through a racial lens is incredibly irresponsible.

A lot of Black American wounds in the present are self-inflicted, but when one can truly understand the lengths that American society has gone to war against the African, they will avoid making such statements, especially under the hubris that they are more enlightened simply because they've traveled to Brazil.

Do some research on the largest growing prison population (young black women), the largest group of children on psychotropic drugs and pushed into the special education and or out school altogether (young black males), and other information relative to these topics and see if you still hold the same position.

Post: #53

(01-02-2012 09:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 04:35 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't think hyper-analyzing race is productive for someone who's really trying to get the most out of life, man. I think it's common for a lot of black males in the US to fall into that box where they interpret nearly everything in the world through a racial lens. That's just not cool. It's alright to go through a phase, especially when we're younger and just beginning to learn about the world around us, but getting out of that box is necessary to really get the most out of life. I think traveling and seeking new experiences that push you out of your comfort zone is the best way to do that. Gotta constantly evolve.

+1 for having read Brainwashed, but -100 for the bolded comment.

For a black person -- I'm assuming that's you in the picture -- to say that black males living in a society that has been designed for their peoples' collective failure need to stop seeing life as they are forced to see it through a racial lens is incredibly irresponsible.

A lot of Black American wounds in the present are self-inflicted, but when one can truly understand the lengths that American society has gone to war against the African, they will avoid making such statements, especially under the hubris that they are more enlightened simply because they've traveled to Brazil.

Do some research on the largest growing prison population (young black women), the largest group of children on psychotropic drugs and pushed into the special education and or out school altogether (young black males), and other information relative to these topics and see if you still hold the same position.

I almost wasn't going to respond to this for a couple of reasons: 1) You are the first member I have seen make a comment with a negative feedback (from a member I respect). 2) I'm tired of discussing the topic.

It's far from irresponsible to say it's counterproductive to hyperanalyze race; quite the contrary, in fact. As I made clear, there are many black men who never travel and simply live in a box through which they analyze the world from the perch of their narrow myopic experiences in the country they've never left. This pattern is among the worst forms of ignorance, and that is what I was addressing. I'm not sure if you've even left the United States, but I have--and I am intimately familiar with many of the issues you alluded to. I encourage you to travel--in a manner in which you absorb the local culture and make friends from all walks of life--if you have yet to do so because only then will you understand what I am talking about.

Post: #54

(01-02-2012 09:50 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(01-02-2012 09:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(12-15-2011 04:35 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  I don't think hyper-analyzing race is productive for someone who's really trying to get the most out of life, man. I think it's common for a lot of black males in the US to fall into that box where they interpret nearly everything in the world through a racial lens. That's just not cool. It's alright to go through a phase, especially when we're younger and just beginning to learn about the world around us, but getting out of that box is necessary to really get the most out of life. I think traveling and seeking new experiences that push you out of your comfort zone is the best way to do that. Gotta constantly evolve.

+1 for having read Brainwashed, but -100 for the bolded comment.

For a black person -- I'm assuming that's you in the picture -- to say that black males living in a society that has been designed for their peoples' collective failure need to stop seeing life as they are forced to see it through a racial lens is incredibly irresponsible.

A lot of Black American wounds in the present are self-inflicted, but when one can truly understand the lengths that American society has gone to war against the African, they will avoid making such statements, especially under the hubris that they are more enlightened simply because they've traveled to Brazil.

Do some research on the largest growing prison population (young black women), the largest group of children on psychotropic drugs and pushed into the special education and or out school altogether (young black males), and other information relative to these topics and see if you still hold the same position.

I almost wasn't going to respond to this for a couple of reasons: 1) You are the first member I have seen make a comment when you have a negative feedback (from a member I respect). 2) I'm tired of discussing the topic.

It's far from irresponsible to say it's counterproductive to hyperanalyze race; quite the contrary, in fact. As I made clear, there are many black men who never travel and simply live in a box through which they analyze the world from the perch of their narrow myopic experiences in the country they've never left. This pattern is among the worst forms of ignorance, and that is what I was addressing. I'm not sure if you've even left the United States, but I have--and I am intimately familiar with many of the issues you alluded to. I encourage you to travel--in a manner in which you absorb the local culture and make friends from all walks of life--if you have yet to do so because only then will you understand what I am talking about.

One negative feedback point on here from one individual you co-sign, and my opinion is not valid? (As if I'm supposed to truly care about validation from anonymous individuals?)

I'm not even from the United States. The worst form of ignorance is speaking on that of which you don't know anything about.

I actually agree with most of your point of view, but get off your soapbox dude, you're not the only person here who's had their passport stamped.

Post: #55

(01-02-2012 09:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  One negative feedback point on here from one individual you co-sign, and my opinion is not valid? (As if I'm supposed to truly care about validation from anonymous individuals?)

Well, an individual who many, many respected members of the forum have praised for his valuable and helpful contributions. Unlike you, he doesn't bother with harboring an unnecessarily pugnacious tone. Your testy form of rhetoric really accomplishes nothing. You should focus on actually providing value so that more reputable members don't have to give you negative marks or report your posts. Your days as a member are likely numbered at this point.

(01-02-2012 09:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  I'm not even from the United States. The worst form of ignorance is speaking on that of which you don't know anything about.

You sure you're not from the US? Perhaps technically speaking, but you don't live or have never lived in the US? I'm skeptical about that. Yes, ignorance defined is what you have stated, which is precisely what I was saying. How can people hold strong views about the societies of countries they've never visited? Imagine a German guy who has never been to the US spewing all kinds of vile rhetoric about minorities in a country he's never been to and without personally knowing any individuals from the groups he is criticizing?

When I make remarks about Brazil, it's from experience of knowing actual Brazilians, which helps explain why actual Brazilians on this forum have praised me for my lucid observations.

(01-02-2012 09:35 PM)jariel Wrote:  I actually agree with most of your point of view, but get off your soapbox dude, you're not the only person here who's had their passport stamped.

Totally unnecessary comment. This is the kind of comment that will probably see you go. Reread Forum Rules 101. Good luck.

Post: #56

(01-02-2012 10:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Well, an individual who many, many respected members of the forum have praised for his valuable and helpful contributions. Unlike you, he doesn't bother with harboring an unnecessarily pugnacious tone. Your testy form of rhetoric really accomplishes nothing. You should focus on actually providing value so that more reputable members don't have to give you negative marks or report your posts. Your days as a member are likely numbered at this point.

In terms of my days being numbered, that's quite the contrary from what I've been told privately by the owner and operator of this board, who is someone other than you.

You obviously took offense to the fact I disagreed with a part of your statement, and now you are the one who's making it personal and acting like you are judge and jury of the site.

Take constructive criticism 101 and move on with your day.

Post: #57

(01-02-2012 10:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(01-02-2012 10:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Well, an individual who many, many respected members of the forum have praised for his valuable and helpful contributions. Unlike you, he doesn't bother with harboring an unnecessarily pugnacious tone. Your testy form of rhetoric really accomplishes nothing. You should focus on actually providing value so that more reputable members don't have to give you negative marks or report your posts. Your days as a member are likely numbered at this point.

In terms of my days being numbered, that's quite the contrary from what I've been told privately by the owner and operator of this board, who is someone other than you.

You obviously took offense to the fact I disagreed with a part of your statement, and now you are the one who's making it personal and acting like you are judge and jury of the site.

Take constructive criticism 101 and move on with your day.

You are suffering from delusions of grandeur if you believe for a second that I was offended by your unlettered and uncouth opinion based on a severe misrepresentation of my previous statements on this thread; annoyed would be more apt.

I don't even know who you are, nor do I want to know. I don't see any evidence of you having made any contributions of the type in which your opinion on this thread would merit any serious consideration.

I spend my time thinking of ways I can drop value for members of this forum based on my experiences, not to quarrel with complete strangers.

We shall see if you will last as a member. You shouldn't speak with such certitude about your viability (look at your history). Good riddance.

Post: #58

(01-02-2012 11:36 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(01-02-2012 10:47 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(01-02-2012 10:35 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Well, an individual who many, many respected members of the forum have praised for his valuable and helpful contributions. Unlike you, he doesn't bother with harboring an unnecessarily pugnacious tone. Your testy form of rhetoric really accomplishes nothing. You should focus on actually providing value so that more reputable members don't have to give you negative marks or report your posts. Your days as a member are likely numbered at this point.

In terms of my days being numbered, that's quite the contrary from what I've been told privately by the owner and operator of this board, who is someone other than you.

You obviously took offense to the fact I disagreed with a part of your statement, and now you are the one who's making it personal and acting like you are judge and jury of the site.

Take constructive criticism 101 and move on with your day.

You are suffering from delusions of self-grandeur if you believe for a second that I was offended by your unlettered and uncouth opinion based on a severe misrepresentation of my previous statements on this thread.

I don't even know who you are, nor do I want to know. I don't see any evidence of you having made any contributions of the type in which your opinion on this thread would merit any serious consideration.

I spend my time thinking of ways I can drop value for members of this forum based on my experiences, not to quarrel with complete strangers.

We shall see if you will last as a member. You shouldn't speak with such certitude about your viability (look at your history). Good riddance.

Seriously get over yourself.

In all of your responses to me, you've done nothing but kiss your own ass while trying to belittle me.

I didn't personally attack you, I just disagreed with something you stated, and clearly stated why I disagreed.

You took it to "look at your feedback", "I don't care to know who you are", and all this other unnecessary nonsense, where does that kind of ridiculous anger come from?

The fact is you've been on the defensive since we started, you've incorrectly assumed I was an American who had never traveled outside of the states, and you have made this conversation personal.

Contrary to your position, I've been thanked by several members for my contributions to this board. If you don't feel that is the case, that is your opinion, but no one asked you to speak for everybody else.

I will sleep just fine tonight without your respect.

Post: #59

(01-02-2012 11:48 PM)jariel Wrote:  Seriously get over yourself.

In all of your responses to me, you've done nothing but kiss your own ass while trying to belittle me.

I didn't personally attack you, I just disagreed with something you stated, and clearly stated why I disagreed.

Anyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. You misrepresented my statements so you should expect to be challenged for it. I don't kiss my own ass. Look at my record. I've even received praise for my contributions on this very thread, by the very type of people it concerns. That's fact.

(01-02-2012 11:48 PM)jariel Wrote:  You took it to "look at your feedback", "I don't care to know who you are", and all this other unnecessary nonsense, where does that kind of ridiculous anger come from?

Yes, I must remind you to look at your feedback as it is entirely necessary. The reason for your negative rating is for repeatedly unhelpful and demeaning comments, which is exactly how I interpreted your rudderless involvement on this thread.

Of course I don't care to know who you are. You misrepresent my statements, don't provide any data about who you are and where you've been and you think I'm supposed to take you seriously? Especially when you have a negative rating for reasons I agree with?

That's not anger; that's reality.

(01-02-2012 11:48 PM)jariel Wrote:  The fact is you've been on the defensive since we started, you've incorrectly assumed I was an American who had never traveled outside of the states, and you have made this conversation personal.

Whoa! You're truly proving my charge that your comment was "unlettered" to be very true. This is precisely why I responded. You have fundamentally misrepresented my statements.

I never said you were an American nor did I say you have never traveled outside of the US. I simply encouraged you to travel if you have not yet done so.

(01-02-2012 11:48 PM)jariel Wrote:  Contrary to your position, I've been thanked by several members for my contributions to this board. If you don't feel that is the case, that is your opinion, but no one asked you to speak for everybody else.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

HC: 330 posts; 24 positive ratings; zero negatives

Jariel: 553 posts; 5 postive ratings; one negative

Of course, there's much more to the forum than just ratings, and many members have dropped substantial value and have not been properly recognized for it in this manner. But, where are your data sheets? Where are your posts that establish your credibility with respect to this thread? Where have you traveled? That information on your profile isn't outlined at all, unlike mine. I'm an open book. I drop value, pics, stories, and provide details.

Sorry, I don't believe you. You need more people.

Post: #60

My deepest apologies for not attention whoring via the internet, but your personal seal of approval is not of my concern.

I have shared parts of my background and where I currently live in a number of threads, just because you're unaware of it, doesn't mean it hasn't taken place.

In terms of this thread, I've said what I've had to say, and shall say no more.

Post: #61

(01-03-2012 12:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  My deepest apologies for not attention whoring via the internet, but your personal seal of approval is not of my concern.

I do not accept this insincere apology because this is precisely what you have done. When you rant in a cantankerous manner, post after post, and continue on without providing an iota of value and accumulating negative marks in the process, you are, in fact, attention whoring.

I, on the other hand, post in order to share my experiences and insights in a manner that will help other members of the community, as many of them have done the same for me--that's what it's all about. You would do well to remember that going forward; that is, if you still haven't been banned by then.

I've said it once before, and I'll say it again here, good riddance.

Post: #62

(01-03-2012 12:36 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 12:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  My deepest apologies for not attention whoring via the internet, but your personal seal of approval is not of my concern.

I do not accept this insincere apology because this is precisely what you have done. When you rant in a cantankerous manner, post after post, and continue on without providing an iota of value and accumulating negative marks in the process, you are, in fact, attention whoring.

I, on the other hand, post in order to share my experiences and insights in a manner that will help other members of the community, as many of them have done the same for me--that's what it's all about. You would do well to remember that going forward; that is, if you still haven't been banned by then.

I've said it once before, and I'll say it again here, good riddance.

Of course it's insincere, as I have nothing to apologize to you for.

Since you are so determined to continue harping on feedback, at least be able to demonstrate you understand the difference between marks -- plural -- and mark -- singular.

I have one negative feedback rating, which was from last September, while my most recent positive rating was just last week.

This whole discussion for you is about feedback.

Give yourself a gold star for having more feedback, I honestly do not care.

You are operating from a position that I need your acceptance or for you to co-sign what I say, I'm operating from a position that I just don't give a damn about your approval, it is the last thing here I shall seek.

You made what I felt was an ignorant and irresponsible remark about how Black American males should view the world, and I responded specifically to that.

You can't handle the response, so you've started an argument about something entirely different and in the process ventured into personal attack territory.

In terms of how you feel about me, your position is your position, and I respect your right to have and share it, but stop acting like your position is universal.

Again, no one else, asked you to speak for them.

Post: #63

(01-03-2012 12:32 AM)jariel Wrote:  In terms of this thread, I've said what I've had to say, and shall say no more.

Hmm....credibility? Gone (as if any further evidence was needed).

Yes, I correctly applied the correct tense with respect to "marks." I reported your post as well.

It's quite telling that your very first rating was a negative one--and that subsequent ratings furiously arrived within days (makes one wonder). Seems you still have some ways to go before you understand what this community is all about.

I handled and directly responded to your initial comment, to which your general reply was you agreed with most of what I said. That's all?

You simply can't meet me with substance and you lack credibility. You're not even a man of your word, obviously.

You've misrepresented and fabricated my statements several times and have nothing to offer when confronted about it.

This "conversation" has reached the apex of its usefulness. I truly believe your days in this forum are numbered.