Post: #51

(10-09-2015 02:25 PM)germanico Wrote:  This chick Im banging has brought up a couple of times her fantasy of having her husband watch us.

Hell naw. But as it goes its just not a male fantasy. Perhaps the husbands want to reassure themselves that their wife is attractive? Perhaps their sexual imprinting got wired in a way where they get pleasure from watching the object of their desires getting pleasured? (As, lets say, some sort of live porn) In her case, I know the dude is an über beta chump. I assume she gets some satisfaction in humilliating him by showing him that she calls the shots. (Even though as far as I know nobody knows of our little rendezvous, he cant be that much of a fool not to realize somethings going on when his wife comes home at 3 am all freshly showered)

Or perhaps:

Quote:but she'd make moves all over me and I'd refuse them all night. Fucking annoying. He seemed to get a kick out of it because he knew I'd never do shit with her

They get excited over the idea that in spite of their wives getting multiple dickings, they are the ones they come home to. Some guys are indoctrinated to believe that marriage is the alpha thing to do,and if you cant nail down a wife, then you must be the beta. They must think that since the other guys only get to fuck her and then shown the door, THEY must be the alpha superior ones. And to them that feeling of superiority over other males must be greater than sex. Beta fucks, alpha bucks

I hate to break it to dudes with that angle on their cuckold fantasy. In my book, there's no fuckin ultra-security mindset, or king alpha status because they've got a wife nailed down, whose getting nailed down by half the town too. IDGAF if he's watching, part of it, or not. It's a revelation of lack of depth, which translates into lack of ability to take sex to higher levels individually, and not in the group setting.

My last LTR I literally ruined for sex with just about anyone else because of how high I set the bar. We've been broke up almost a year, and she's fucked other guys and me other girls as well, yet she comes crawling back saying I own her due to the depth, and intensity no one else, she fears (from experience) could ever replicate in the sack.

It's real simple to me from a biological perspective also. I don't want, nor will tolerate, an LTR or wife (never married personally) banging or fucking around with other guys because I'm going down on my LTR or wife if they achieve that title. And since I'm not a faggot, I don't want to be sucking cock by proxy of my wife/LTRs community slop hole.

Don't get me started on the respect, morality, or emotional side of detaching your wife/LTR into a private porn star in a second parallel reality of debauchery.

I know some true swingers too, and just like gay guys try to recruit straight males that are too cordial to them, swingers do the same fucking shit. Usually their perve desires know no boundaries or respect. The above mentioned exLTR girl and I have had on 3 different occasions swingers in public (a restaurant, a county festival, and a straight bar) approach us obviously looking to match couples and swing.

Twice it was some mangina's wife or GF wanting my cock, and had clearly had agreement with their partner to make moves, and once, a girl approaching my girl wanting a dyke 3-some, 4-some with her dude in tow.

Notice the pattern here? It was the GIRL running the show. Not to say guys don't initiate this shit, but I'd bet in most scenarios, the female has the "talk' with her guy saying she wants to "experiment," then he is either persuaded or decides "fuck it, if she really feels this way, well everyone gets to do whatever, there's no boundaries." At that moment, IMHO, all the value of a traditional relationship gets flushed down the toilet, and you're in an objective state of rationalizing away the truth, which is deep down, the relationship has some real fucked up problems.

Post: #52

^ Agreed.

Actually, there are two kinds of initiators for this type of thing.

1. The wife initiates as described in the above post.

2. The closeted gay guy initiates, and uses his girl to reel straight guys in, then tries to do a bait and switch to convince those guys to let him suck their cock.

I've had the gay bait-and-switch attempted on me twice. Both attempts failed. Both times the gay dudes lost their shit and sent me angry butthurt texts.

Post: #53

(10-10-2015 06:53 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  What's an MLTR? It reminds me of the term mPUA.

Multiple Long Term Relationship. More than a fuckbuddy, less than a committed relationship, of whom there are several in the rotation when I am doing serious pick up.

Focused almost entirely on business at the moment, but that particular woman I met during the most wild night of my life, which was about a year ago.

Post: #54

I've seen enough guys offering their wives up online to know that there's an important aspect of cuckolding that people are missing here.

That's the degradation. Particularly when the person being degraded has a kind of "innocence" or "specialness".

Ever fantasized about bending some little schoolgirl (of legal age, of course) over and lifting up her plaid skirt to reveal a pair of white cotton panties? Oh, yeah, sure you haven't, buddy

Tons of guys here advocate choking, slapping, spitting, pulling hair, etc. during sex. There's definitely the dominance/obedience dynamic at play there. But a woman letting you spit in her mouth or on her face is seen as an act of obedience precisely because it's so degrading.

It doesn't physically feel good to do that. It's all mental.

Face fucking, anal, swallowing cum, etc. are all things that are degrading and many guys get a huge kick out of. I've even heard some of the biggest sickos like to slap women in the face with their dick

Dirty talk is another big one. "Oh yeah, you like that don't you, you little slut". It's all about saying or getting a woman to say the nastiest shit you can get away with.

I don't say degrading in a white knight, "you should always treat a woman with respect" type of way.

But I think it was Tony Soprano that said he had a mistress because he wasn't comfortable doing certain sex acts with the mother of his children.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not letting anyone bang my girl.

But I guess after pissing in your wife's face gets old, you have to step it up a notch

Obviously that's not the only thing going on, but I definitely see what I described as a sizable part of the appeal.

Post: #55

(10-10-2015 10:16 AM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

(10-09-2015 02:25 PM)germanico Wrote:  This chick Im banging has brought up a couple of times her fantasy of having her husband watch us.

Hell naw. But as it goes its just not a male fantasy. Perhaps the husbands want to reassure themselves that their wife is attractive? Perhaps their sexual imprinting got wired in a way where they get pleasure from watching the object of their desires getting pleasured? (As, lets say, some sort of live porn) In her case, I know the dude is an über beta chump. I assume she gets some satisfaction in humilliating him by showing him that she calls the shots. (Even though as far as I know nobody knows of our little rendezvous, he cant be that much of a fool not to realize somethings going on when his wife comes home at 3 am all freshly showered)

Or perhaps:

Quote:but she'd make moves all over me and I'd refuse them all night. Fucking annoying. He seemed to get a kick out of it because he knew I'd never do shit with her

They get excited over the idea that in spite of their wives getting multiple dickings, they are the ones they come home to. Some guys are indoctrinated to believe that marriage is the alpha thing to do,and if you cant nail down a wife, then you must be the beta. They must think that since the other guys only get to fuck her and then shown the door, THEY must be the alpha superior ones. And to them that feeling of superiority over other males must be greater than sex. Beta fucks, alpha bucks

I hate to break it to dudes with that angle on their cuckold fantasy. In my book, there's no fuckin ultra-security mindset, or king alpha status because they've got a wife nailed down, whose getting nailed down by half the town too. IDGAF if he's watching, part of it, or not. It's a revelation of lack of depth, which translates into lack of ability to take sex to higher levels individually, and not in the group setting.

My last LTR I literally ruined for sex with just about anyone else because of how high I set the bar. We've been broke up almost a year, and she's fucked other guys and me other girls as well, yet she comes crawling back saying I own her due to the depth, and intensity no one else, she fears (from experience) could ever replicate in the sack.

It's real simple to me from a biological perspective also. I don't want, nor will tolerate, an LTR or wife (never married personally) banging or fucking around with other guys because I'm going down on my LTR or wife if they achieve that title. And since I'm not a faggot, I don't want to be sucking cock by proxy of my wife/LTRs community slop hole.

Don't get me started on the respect, morality, or emotional side of detaching your wife/LTR into a private porn star in a second parallel reality of debauchery.

I know some true swingers too, and just like gay guys try to recruit straight males that are too cordial to them, swingers do the same fucking shit. Usually their perve desires know no boundaries or respect. The above mentioned exLTR girl and I have had on 3 different occasions swingers in public (a restaurant, a county festival, and a straight bar) approach us obviously looking to match couples and swing.

Twice it was some mangina's wife or GF wanting my cock, and had clearly had agreement with their partner to make moves, and once, a girl approaching my girl wanting a dyke 3-some, 4-some with her dude in tow.

Notice the pattern here? It was the GIRL running the show. Not to say guys don't initiate this shit, but I'd bet in most scenarios, the female has the "talk' with her guy saying she wants to "experiment," then he is either persuaded or decides "fuck it, if she really feels this way, well everyone gets to do whatever, there's no boundaries." At that moment, IMHO, all the value of a traditional relationship gets flushed down the toilet, and you're in an objective state of rationalizing away the truth, which is deep down, the relationship has some real fucked up problems.

I think people here are mixing up cucholding with swinging.

Cucholding like someone else pointed out from what I can tell from Craigslist ads lol, is normally a dude with a small dick who can't please his lady who wants to bring in a "bull" or often times black dudes to fuck their girl.

Alot of time they'll have to eat a creampie or clean the dude up afterwards type shit.

Swinging is something entirely different which obviously is swapping partners. I'm not saying there aren't some beta ass swinger dudes out there I'm sure there are but were kind of mixing up two compeltely seperate things.

Also, some swingers don't share their wives some just do same room fucking or just let the girls play and guys play with their own girls.

As far as women running the show it's not cuz the guys are pussies or anything like that it's just how things go in the whole swingers world. Women typically are the ones who make approaches because it's less threatening. Imagine if a guy walked up to you and said I wanna rail your wife, he'd probably get punched in the face, if a girl approached you and your girl at worst she'll probably get an awkward but polite no thank you.

Also if you look on craigslist the women usually "vv" or "voice verify". There's a lot of single dudes running bait and switch things, heck I remember seeing numerous posts in the game section about guys acting like they were trying to setup a threesome only to have the girl show up and they give some lame excuse about why their chick isn't there and try to bang anyway. The whole ladies running the show is so both parties know there's actually a women invovled and not just some single dude playing games.

Post: #56

(10-09-2015 02:37 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  There's a few different variations of this, one would be swinging where people swap partners, however I think what your referring to is dudes who just want to sit in the corner and watch their wife get pounded. This is referred to as cucholds, basically dudes who like to be humiliated, oftentimes it's guys with small dicks and they and their wives want a big dude to pound them.

The discussion has been assuming that the husband is the driving force behind the cuckolding sessions, and I think in plenty of cases that is true, but believe that many cases the wife is equally enthusiastic about experimenting with this, and maybe even initiates the idea, probably subtly at first.

I have banged a bunch of married women, mostly online with a few bar pickups. Almost without exception, they make sexually derogatory comments about their husbands, often that he has a small dick, or that he cums in a couple minutes, or that he is no longer desirable to them or that he never was but they married him because he would be a good provider. Certainly they are justifying to themselves what they are doing, but they sound sincere.

The assumption in our culture that is promoted by women is that when a wife cheats she does so for emotional reasons-the husband is not emotionally supportive, is inattentive, is abusive, etc. and she seeks out another man to fulfill her emotional needs. After my experiences, I have concluded that this is a lie- that women cheat most often for purposes of sexual gratification. None the married women I have banged wanted to talk about their personal problems, hopes or dreams, they just wanted to get fucked long and hard.

More evidence for this is dick pics. Experienced players know that few women want to receive dick pics before you have banged them, and almost none will request a dick pic. However, this is not true of married women. Almost every one I have gotten into contact with online has asked for a dick pic, usually multiple ones. The explanation for this is obvious; if they are going to take the risk of cheating, they want to make sure the guy has a dick substantially bigger than their husbands.

So maybe a lot of times there are two ingredients that both need to be present, a husband who wants to be humiliated, or enjoys humiliating his wife by whoring her out, or is a closeted gay, and in addition a wife who is sexually unsatisfied.

Post: #57

There's been a massive rise in this. Some of these guys truly enjoy it, but a lot of them have no choice. She has a smartphone, she's on social media, so she's getting offers all day everyday in one capacity or another. So they just learn to accept it. Today, you basically gotta assume even a "happily married" woman has a few guys on the side.

Post: #58

(10-10-2015 08:55 PM)shayneToxic Wrote:  There's been a massive rise in this. Some of these guys truly enjoy it, but a lot of them have no choice. She has a smartphone, she's on social media, so she's getting offers all day everyday in one capacity or another. So they just learn to accept it. Today, you basically gotta assume even a "happily married" woman has a few guys on the side.

I figure we could name a new movement based on this behavior, instead of:
MGTOW, it would be,

MGTWW: Men Going The Woman's Way << most guys are so happy to have a girl, they're doing backflips and lovie dovie kiss ass so often, that when they either catch her cheating, or she "has the talk" of promiscuity, what was once reluctance, or aberration, now becomes - for them - something they consider for a brief moment or a few days, as acceptable behavior, then try to turn it into a positive. As long as she's happy, is all that matters to many schlebs. Acceptance to being AMOGed by strangers, or loose social circle acquaintances to the extent that alpha is bangin their girl is now all too common.

Whenever I hear someone speak in ownership terms in the US, about their "significant other." I just laugh. "My Woman.." Shiiiit, you gotta know that's shit's a lease agreement anymore. Don't think kids between the two of you changes that shit nowadays either. It boils down to terms of the verbal contract, and how easily either party breaks them.

I've reduced my dealings with modernesque girls to a stable. It's the turnover rate of that stable (never less than 2, nor more than 4-5) that I've learned to adjust as needed.

Post: #59

(10-11-2015 03:35 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  MGTWW: Men Going The Woman's Way << most guys are so happy to have a girl, they're doing backflips and lovie dovie kiss ass so often, that when they either catch her cheating, or she "has the talk" of promiscuity, what was once reluctance, or aberration, now becomes - for them - something they consider for a brief moment or a few days, as acceptable behavior, then try to turn it into a positive. As long as she's happy, is all that matters to many schlebs. Acceptance to being AMOGed by strangers, or loose social circle acquaintances to the extent that alpha is bangin their girl is now all too common.

Post: #60

Story interjection from a couple years back
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(04-07-2014 03:59 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Finally we arrive at a big Mcmansion looking house..which is pretty rare in Germany.
He said his wife is fresh inside waiting...
I figured we were gonna have a couple drinks..talk..ect ect...but no..they skipped straight to the point.
After navigating the maze of a house to the couples home theatre area.
I come in and the guys wife is in the middle of the room on a mattress wearing nothing but a set of high heels, a corset and a blindfold.

He looks at me..and says..Do whatever you want with her and walks back into the house....................................

.........I saw the couple a couple more times.. and more interesting stories stem from it..But this was years ago...and i still keep in touch with the wife..She still sends me pictures waiting for me to come back to give her another ravishing.