Post: #26

I was very confused with the title of this thread.

@ASA123: Yea, I'm kickin it here in SF

Post: #27

(12-11-2011 03:52 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  I sub as a pizze delivery driver in a very affluent suburb of a very affluent big city, and I have yet to get laid off of this gig LOL. Here & there I deliver to some cougars that you would think are totally DTF. Problem is, they usually have a hubby at their side 9 times out of 10. Regardless, it's a great gig for a little bit of pocket money and easy access to DELICIOUS food. LOL.

(12-10-2011 06:51 PM)misterstir Wrote:  ^you won't know it until you try, girls go crazy for the pizza man with a big sausage in his box

Hey doctors are 6th out of like a billion jobs. Not too shabby. Girls don't want to bang lawyers because they are boring/anti social, but they like money, so I'd put them at 10.

It can depend what town your in. If your in DC, then you'll deliver pizza to a lot of sausage fest and political interns and shit like that. If you're in a college town, serorities and frat houses will sometimes invite you in and you're down to fuck. I have a friend who got invited in ohio into a sorrority -excuse my shit spelling - and girls were rubbing tits in his face as part of their challenge and he got to finger 2 girls one time but he pussied out on fucking them

Post: #28

(12-09-2011 06:44 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  I am 26 and recently graduated medical school, currently doing my residency. Unfortunately, I am still a virgin.

This is one of the reasons why I decided not to become a doctor. I wrestled with the decision and weighed the costs, risks, and benefits. Medicine is something you go for if you really want it and want to do nothing else in your life. 60-80 hour workweeks don't cut it for me. You won't have the time or energy to pursue your passions, travel, practice game, and setup passive income sources.

Oh yeah, and this too: The Deceptive Income of Physicians--a must-read for all prospective medical students

Post: #29

Hi ASA123,

unfortunately you have a general problem that no amount of game can solve.

I am the very opposite of a game denialist, though I am a realist. Let me tell you the truth: As a 5ft8 guy you can give up. No woman of value will ever be interested into you. And that's not your fault, because you are not to be blamed for this. Learn to deal with it. There are worse things in life. If I were you I would spend my valueable time on more reasonable things that thinking about something you cannot change anyway. Investing time and effort into learning game is a waste of energy from your point of view.

Post: #30

I'm 5ft8, I do way better than most.

Post: #31

(12-11-2011 11:51 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  Hi ASA123,

unfortunately you have a general problem that no amount of game can solve.

I am the very opposite of a game denialist, though I am a realist. Let me tell you the truth: As a 5ft8 guy you can give up. No woman of value will ever be interested into you. And that's not your fault, because you are not to be blamed for this. Learn to deal with it. There are worse things in life. If I were you I would spend my valueable time on more reasonable things that thinking about something you cannot change anyway. Investing time and effort into learning game is a waste of energy from your point of view.

Nope thats BS. 5"8 is fine. I know plenty of guys who get laid who are that height.

Post: #32

(12-11-2011 11:51 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  Hi ASA123,

unfortunately you have a general problem that no amount of game can solve.

I am the very opposite of a game denialist, though I am a realist. Let me tell you the truth: As a 5ft8 guy you can give up. No woman of value will ever be interested into you. And that's not your fault, because you are not to be blamed for this. Learn to deal with it. There are worse things in life. If I were you I would spend my valueable time on more reasonable things that thinking about something you cannot change anyway. Investing time and effort into learning game is a waste of energy from your point of view.

are you serious?

Post: #33

Oi, I happen to be 5'8 and I think you're out your mind. Which is too bad because you seemed to be a decent member until now.

Post: #34

I am 5'8.

Naughty Nomad is 5'7.

Enough said.

Post: #35

New years resolution:
Make this a full time commitment. Major issue is to get over approach anxiety. Was at the gym today and this 7/8 kept eyeing me and I did nothing. I felt utterly powerless.

Going to read Bang and Day Bang and then be on my way. What do you guys suggest I do regarding my lack of sexual experience? I feel if I knew what I was doing my game would be better. A week ago I was gaming this hot latina and had her on my couch and couldn't escalate...again felt powerless.

I am a pretty good looking guy but I feel I like the necessary confidence in this aspect of my life although I am alpha when it comes to everything else (my work, gym, my friends, etc).

Post: #36

I'm also in my residency. I agree you don't want to shit where you eat in the hospital, although I've done that from time to time and been lucky so far. I think what's key is to choose your targets wisely. Look for girls who work on different services eg pharm or social work are less likely to come back to haunt you. I'm currently banging a resident in a different department, which I probably shouldn't be because word will inevitably get around. But options are limited.

The main issue with improving your game in med school and residency is limited time. I'm on

Post: #37

(12-14-2011 11:17 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  What do you guys suggest I do regarding my lack of sexual experience?

1. Read Bang. It has an excellent discussion of what to do when you get into a situation where you can go for the bang, including details like what order to take her clothes off in.

2. Keep practicing. Seduction is the hardest thing to get good at because it's the phase you get the least experience with when the rest of your game isn't tight. Just like you got to the point where you were able to get that girl on your couch, you'll eventually get to the point where you can get her from your couch to your cock.

3. When in doubt, err on the side of being too aggressive. Women want to be led, especially when it comes to sex.

Look, this is gonna sound like a broken record but the only way to deal with this is to get some experience. The extent to which you can get better at any aspect of game with book-knowledge alone is very limited, and the only way to improve is to put yourself out there and experiment until you start having success. The great thing is that once you get a taste of success, you gain knowledge about what works, your confidence improves, and it snowballs into greater successes.

Post: #38

(12-10-2011 12:52 PM)Lothario Wrote:  We are trained to be careful , patients, Insurance, fear of lawsuits, professionalism, all that leaks into Game but start unlearning these things when Gaming girls, Girls are not your patients.

Fuck yes. Same with engineering and it's hyper detail orientation.

ASA123, I live in the bay area too, got a car today, woo hoo, PM me.

Post: #39

(12-14-2011 11:17 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  New years resolution:
Make this a full time commitment. Major issue is to get over approach anxiety. Was at the gym today and this 7/8 kept eyeing me and I did nothing. I felt utterly powerless.

Going to read Bang and Day Bang and then be on my way. What do you guys suggest I do regarding my lack of sexual experience? I feel if I knew what I was doing my game would be better. A week ago I was gaming this hot latina and had her on my couch and couldn't escalate...again felt powerless.

I am a pretty good looking guy but I feel I like the necessary confidence in this aspect of my life although I am alpha when it comes to everything else (my work, gym, my friends, etc).

good luck.

Post: #40

(12-14-2011 11:17 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  New years resolution:
Make this a full time commitment. Major issue is to get over approach anxiety. Was at the gym today and this 7/8 kept eyeing me and I did nothing. I felt utterly powerless.

Going to read Bang and Day Bang and then be on my way. What do you guys suggest I do regarding my lack of sexual experience? I feel if I knew what I was doing my game would be better. A week ago I was gaming this hot latina and had her on my couch and couldn't escalate...again felt powerless.

I am a pretty good looking guy but I feel I like the necessary confidence in this aspect of my life although I am alpha when it comes to everything else (my work, gym, my friends, etc).

Take the 100-approach challenge (100 in a month, day game, night game, whatever - check Docter's website). You'll find that the first one or two are the hardest of the day, then it gets dramatically easier - partly because of your own anxiety dropping, partly because women see you chattign with other women and get more open to chatting with you themselves.

One key with approaching in a crowded setting is to approach the first girl you see in an environment, whether or not you are attracted to her. It's better if you're not, then you don't get all juiced up with hormones. View it as a sacrificial approach if she's really not your type.

Another thing that might help: make a habit of noticing things on women (what they eat, wear, read, look at, etc) and mentally compose situational openers even if you don't use them. The skill will build up and you'll be faster on your feet.

Post: #41

There are a lot of MDs/med-students around these forums (myself included) that can associate with you. I wouldn't recommend hanging out with a bunch of random dudes from this forum. To be honest, I shake my head at half of the things I see some guys write around here.

Check out Magic Bullets, The Game, and The Attraction Code if you haven't already. And start talking bro!

Post: #42

(12-16-2011 09:52 PM)Feo Wrote:  There are a lot of MDs/med-students around these forums (myself included) that can associate with you. I wouldn't recommend hanging out with a bunch of random dudes from this forum. To be honest, I shake my head at half of the things I see some guys write around here.

Check out Magic Bullets, The Game, and The Attraction Code if you haven't already. And start talking bro!

I politely Disagree Feo......., I am an MD and I learned more Game from these " Random Dudes " then anyone else , I have met 4 of these random dudes from the forum including 350zguy, El-mechanico and the Granddaddy of Game Mixx and how can I forget Roosh himself, each one of these guys is a Gem. These guys are so passionate about Game that they love to talk & teach about it.

Guys who are different then you give you a different perspective which wouldn't come from MD's etc

ASA in your case company of any player who is better then you would benefit you, MD or Not ......... Take some action , grab the hand of anyone who is willing to lend you a hand, you got nothing to loose......

Post: #43

(12-16-2011 11:11 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 09:52 PM)Feo Wrote:  There are a lot of MDs/med-students around these forums (myself included) that can associate with you. I wouldn't recommend hanging out with a bunch of random dudes from this forum. To be honest, I shake my head at half of the things I see some guys write around here.

Check out Magic Bullets, The Game, and The Attraction Code if you haven't already. And start talking bro!

I politely Disagree Feo......., I am an MD and I learned more Game from these " Random Dudes " then anyone else , I have met 4 of these random dudes from the forum including 350zguy, El-mechanico and the Granddaddy of Game Mixx and how can I forget Roosh himself, each one of these guys is a Gem. These guys are so passionate about Game that they love to talk & teach about it.

Guys who are different then you give you a different perspective which wouldn't come from MD's etc

ASA in your case company of any player who is better then you would benefit you, MD or Not ......... Take some action , grab the hand of anyone who is willing to lend you a hand, you got nothing to loose......

Thanks for the support guys. I guess I really have a lot to work on. If any of you guys are in the SF bay area would love to meet up. I have to get rid of this shyness and really get to my true potential. I feel like the girls I talk to almost automatically put me in the friend zone. I truly have to get to the point where rejection just does not phase me.

I believe you can learn something from everyone. Thats why I am reaching out to you all so that I can fix this. I want to grow as an individual and round this aspect of my life. Being that it is friday, gonna head out and try to make some approaches at the bars.

Post: #44

Welcome to the forum ASA- I'm in the south bay area and am only a beginner, yet I'm happy to meet up and talk. Feel free to PM.

If you search the forum, you'll find some great info on venues in both SF and the South Bay. Check it out and feel free to add to it.

Post: #45

(12-16-2011 11:11 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

(12-16-2011 09:52 PM)Feo Wrote:  There are a lot of MDs/med-students around these forums (myself included) that can associate with you. I wouldn't recommend hanging out with a bunch of random dudes from this forum. To be honest, I shake my head at half of the things I see some guys write around here.

Check out Magic Bullets, The Game, and The Attraction Code if you haven't already. And start talking bro!

I politely Disagree Feo......., I am an MD and I learned more Game from these " Random Dudes " then anyone else , I have met 4 of these random dudes from the forum including 350zguy, El-mechanico and the Granddaddy of Game Mixx and how can I forget Roosh himself, each one of these guys is a Gem. These guys are so passionate about Game that they love to talk & teach about it.

Guys who are different then you give you a different perspective which wouldn't come from MD's etc

ASA in your case company of any player who is better then you would benefit you, MD or Not ......... Take some action , grab the hand of anyone who is willing to lend you a hand, you got nothing to loose......

OK. Yea, well I guess to each his own. Anyways, just because you blew me out I should say that Roosh, Mixx, mechanico, thutmosis...and a few other guys on here, have a solid frame that I respect. I say if you're just figuring things out ASA, maybe hanging out with a bunch of guys with weak frames isn't the best way to go. Just my two cents, take it or leave it.

And you are in the city bro. Two dollar tuesdays at the Ambassador in Nob Hill. Wednesdays at Holy Cow. Thursdays at McTeagues on Polk or Grant st. in North Beach. Fridays at Bruno's on Mission. Saturday..fucking anywhere, check out the EndUp for afterparty until 4am. Sunday, financial district. Monday is potentially the only night that it is difficult to meet women in the city.

Post: #46

I can't believe that people are still telling him to mess with nurses when he said that could easily make his life difficult.

(12-10-2011 02:01 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

(12-10-2011 01:43 AM)misterstir Wrote:  Ya sure saying you're a doctor doesnt help like saying you're an nba player or football player doesn't help. sure you may attract greed money grubbers but who cares your just going to fuck them and leave them its not like your going to marry them.

I'm sorry, how can a doctor surrounded by the 2nd biggest sluts all day = nurses; not be tally up notches. The only possible better job could be a principal

It really doesn't. They start playing "good girl" and make you wait 3 full dates to hit when you fucking know they would have given it up the same night you met them otherwise. I can overcome some of this by being all "don't worry, I'm not judgmental" but it's a headache I don't need.

I'm sure it's great if you're a beta looking for an LTR where you wait until date 8 to have mediocre sex.

This sounds right, but I don't think that's inevitably how things will play out. It depends on how he interacts with her. A girl can get the sense when that shit is not going to work.

Post: #47

(12-11-2011 11:13 PM)blurb Wrote:  

(12-09-2011 06:44 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  I am 26 and recently graduated medical school, currently doing my residency. Unfortunately, I am still a virgin.

This is one of the reasons why I decided not to become a doctor. I wrestled with the decision and weighed the costs, risks, and benefits. Medicine is something you go for if you really want it and want to do nothing else in your life. 60-80 hour workweeks don't cut it for me. You won't have the time or energy to pursue your passions, travel, practice game, and setup passive income sources.

Oh yeah, and this too: The Deceptive Income of Physicians--a must-read for all prospective medical students

ASA123 don't listen to this sour grapes BS. Medicine is a great, great profession, and tends to prove you've got pretty serious smarts and aren't just using them to rip people off like some stockbroker asshole.

So you've got respectability and compassion points going for you with women, all that's left is the adventure edge and you will be sorting through upper middle class models desperate to land you to keep their parents from freaking out.

I'm in health care a little lower on the food chain, have a "doctor" title but less money--One thing I do to prevent being seen as too "tame" is basically look like a rock musician, and actually am one come to think of it. You can't just fabricate that, but you can develop some other more risk oriented aspects of your self.

Maybe you like to mountain bike, you probably are too smart to get a tan lol, but you can still get scruffy, muddy, have the bike on your car, fail to be perfectly groomed, shit-test her to see if she's down for adventure in the wilderness. You're probably pre-screened for safety, I don't think I've ever heard of a doctor serial killer, so getting her way out in the boondocks really unleashes the sensuality.

IDK if you like mountain biking, but there's got to be SOMETHING sensual, adventurous, that can build you up to be a better fuck in her mind. LIke if you dated a schoolteacher, you'd think she's patient, fairly bright ( at least can form sentences and knows their, they're, and there are not the same thing) but is she too uptight to get on all fours and bark like a dog for you ( and LIKE it?)

Even girls that want your respectability ususally want to get fucked ten ways til tuesday, so you can do something that hints at that.

And don't be scared of Viagra if you're a virgin, It definitely can help with sexual performance under social anxiety.

Post: #48

(12-10-2011 04:00 AM)Johnnyboy Wrote:  I second that, Since i started reading these forums about 2 or 3 years ago my game has improved tremendously. From a beta who had a not very attractive girlfriend for years because i thought thats all i could get, getting dumped, finding this forum and reading bang, and now to a different girl on an almost weekly basis (at least a couple a month). It all seems disorganized, Girls minds are like the human body, there is so much, but your brain will catalog it and put it into order as you practice until it is second nature.

Analyze deeper what your problems with things like, approaching, keeping a conversation going etc.. find out exactly where youre losing them or where the conversation ends why there wasnt an attraction. Is it because you are thinking about it too much? Are you really the one losing interest? remember those things and build off of it. Play around with different things.

Culture yourself a bit, read books (non medical ones lol), listen to interesting music and know a little about the band/group, stay with current events, just learn interesting shit that you could talk about in the chance something related comes up.

Youre a god damned doctor! use that shit, you save lives for a fucking living and you have money. Tell stories about your work that arent boring. but dont brag about it, only bring it up if they ask.

Chances are if you are an outgoing guy like you say you are then there are probably girls who are attracted to you and you just havent learned to see the signs, that was a realization i had difficulty with at first. Still now even sometimes. I boned every single pretty female friend of mine after i ended my most recent year long relationship. I had no idea they were interested in me. The cool part is, they were such a bro about it afterwards that it never got weird.

Practice, Practice, Practice. and dont let bitches get you down, cuz theyre just bitches.

Good luck

Great advise Johnny on analyzing his deeper issues. One thing I gotta ask you, about is this female friends you messed with and things arent wierd. How did you make that happen.. ? Frame it? so that there was no backlash or you being labeled wrongly.

(12-14-2011 11:17 PM)ASA123 Wrote:  New years resolution:
Make this a full time commitment. Major issue is to get over approach anxiety. Was at the gym today and this 7/8 kept eyeing me and I did nothing. I felt utterly powerless.

Going to read Bang and Day Bang and then be on my way. What do you guys suggest I do regarding my lack of sexual experience? I feel if I knew what I was doing my game would be better. A week ago I was gaming this hot latina and had her on my couch and couldn't escalate...again felt powerless.

I am a pretty good looking guy but I feel I like the necessary confidence in this aspect of my life although I am alpha when it comes to everything else (my work, gym, my friends, etc).

Let me get this right. She was on your couch and you could not ESCALATE PHYSICALLY.. ? Right?

You've not been PHYSICALLY with a woman?? or many women as yet? Have you had experience with kissing? making out.. dry humping etc?

If you've not had much experience with they PHYSICAL stuff the following things can help:

- KINO -
- Di Carlo Escalation Ladder (Kino) (bit of a roadmap)
- Salsa / Couple Dance (You get comfy with a womans body)

- If you really want to get the HESITATION of they physical stuff away.. I'd say get the SERVICES of a HIGH CLASS escort.. and ensure that you do a GFE experience and ask her to TEACH you.
Dont be shy..
The first times being physical with a woman is always a LEARNING experience.

It is better to learn from someone with experience.. whether its a Girl who you game & teaches you or.. you paid to learn.

The thing is.. this PHYSICAL ESCALATION barrier is something I had big time and a cousin of mine carries big time. Its part of the OLD PROGRAMMING that you have GROWN UP with.

I'd highly recommend getting your PHYSICAL OATS taken care of Pay some2/300 $ and get that HESITATION & VIRGINITY out of the way.

Then, use the above stuff.

Also, about the Nurse stuff. I had a roommate who was a Nurse and HE said that all the FEMALE Nurses & ones in residency etc would always JUMP the Doctors. After some years of working as a RN he decided to go back to Med School.

You need not Sarge these Nurses that work with you. Just notice which ones are KEEN to fuck.

If not there are TONS OF NURSES all around that DONT WORK WITH YOU or UNDER YOU.. But are friends / network with your nurses or your other doctor friends.

Go to a medical conference or local Med School Mixer or something..

Post: #49

That's really great advice. I really need to learn escalation and develop sexual confidence and prowess. A few weeks ago I had a 7 in a hot tub with me on the first date and couldn't even get a make out from it . I felt really crappy after that.

Post: #50

(12-27-2011 12:19 AM)ASA123 Wrote:  A few weeks ago I had a 7 in a hot tub with me on the first date and couldn't even get a make out from it . I felt really crappy after that.

I would have handed her a drink then sat across from her and started massaging her feet. Slowly work up her legs. Spread her knees and go for the kiss.