Post: #26

(11-13-2011 05:28 PM)Gariell Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 04:52 PM)scorpio Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 04:38 PM)Gariell Wrote:  I don't believe a lot of things, the guy claiming that Asian guy got eyefucked constantly I have to ask, where the girls Asian or White? If i go through IMDb, the best looking Asians guys are not as good looking as the top caliber white/other ethnic guys. The entire logic behind what speakeasy and various other people is that, if you were to take the best looking guys from all the races, the Asians guys would come out at the bottom. Asian girls are not the same as Asian guys, the feminine features of Asians look attractive on the females while the males with the same features are not masculine.

I know for a fact that regardless of how good looking your Asian friend or any Asian is, none of the higher caliber North African, Middle Eastern girls would ever look or even think about going out with an Asian guy. The hot girls of other races have a wider pool of men to choose from, including the supremely good looking guys of their own race & whites. Why would a *hot* Latin/Hispanic girl go out with an Asian guy when she has supremely good looking Latin guys to choose from? Why would she choose a guy that looks perpetually different & strange compared to the standards of beauty that she is used to (& the world)?

Yeah, I'm just going to ignore what I saw/see with my own eyes because of your vague racist views on what women like, even though you aren't a woman yourself. You sound a lot like the guys who comment on the game vs. looks thread, when they aren't good looking and have no basis to make that comparison.

I live in a mostly-white area. I've seen him pull up the spectrum from 9's down to 3's, mostly white chicks because I don't hang out in Asian bars/clubs.

I'll stand behind my statements. The guy below will pull better than a comparably handsome white guy because he is more RARE... Women like more rare things. Good looking white guys are more common, and hence, less rare. If you don't get this simple aspect of female psychology, then you got a lot to learn about the fundamentals of game (sorry to say).



Guy above benefits because most of his ethnic competition is like this:

(11-13-2011 04:38 PM)Gariell Wrote:  The white guys that go for Asians girls are usually the ones that don't have many options in the first place, and they are usually geeks or nerds.

Maybe you and I have just seen different things. I've spent part of my life in coastal California. I can definitively say that a lot of top-tier white guys on the West Coast love Asian chicks.

I guess you and I do see things differently, but that guy in the top picture is a Eurasian person not a full Asian. The fundamentals of game, as expanded and corrected from the original mystery method do not apply to all "geographic cultures, countries & locations". That first pic of that person you posted? That guy would be looked down upon like crazy in the Middle East/North Africa by BOTH girls & guys for being a "Hazara", or "strange looking", the untouchables of that cultures/region. I guarantee a guy looking like that would get a lot of shit thrown at him in Iran & elsewhere because of the way he looks, (not just because of the Islamic culture). Likewise in Russia he would get beaten to death and gotten looks of disgust/no poon from women because in many ways he resembles someone from the Central Asian republics, and they are considered low class there. I don't know how exactly women think, nor do I profess to, but I do know in many ways that they are HUGELY & neurologically affected by cultural programming towards people positive or negative.

I also really disagree with the rarity thing; rarity by that definition is culturally relative, a rare person (your defin) considered by females within a certain culture does not mean someone completely different or outside the parameters & standards of beauty within that culture, but definable & within the upper echelon and the far end of said culture, somewhat within but not outside of it. All the white guys that I grew up with didn't usually go for Asian girls, (Midwest). I am sure the guy in the picture was airbrushed or had surgery of other things. You and I do have had different experiences and see things differently.

I don't understand what's going on here, on the other threads there were a huge number of guys being subtle, covert or outright racist assholes towards black guys for wanting to be successful with women of all races, and it was being accepted. It took primarily the Black guys to point those assholes out. Yet when Asian guys are concerned everyone is a sweet little angel trying to help the "oppressed" & beaten down Asian man, and you are obviously a no-good close-minded racist if you have any minor criticism or negative things to say about them; even if you aren't even being that close of a racist asshole like the guys in the other threads towards blacks.

The Asian community is a big part of the overall culture and social scene in Cali. This goes without saying in NorCal, LA, and San Diego. Since you say you're from midwest, I doubt you grew up in a metro area where Asians are part of the overall culture and social scene. Explains a lot about you and scorpio's diverging views.

Post: #27

(11-13-2011 05:28 PM)Gariell Wrote:  I guess you and I do see things differently, but that guy in the top picture is a Eurasian person not a full Asian. The fundamentals of game, as expanded and corrected from the original mystery method do not apply to all "geographic cultures, countries & locations". That first pic of that person you posted? That guy would be looked down upon like crazy in the Middle East/North Africa by BOTH girls & guys for being a "Hazara", or "strange looking", the untouchables of that cultures/region. I guarantee a guy looking like that would get a lot of shit thrown at him in Iran & elsewhere because of the way he looks, (not just because of the Islamic culture). Likewise in Russia he would get beaten to death and gotten looks of disgust/no poon from women because in many ways he resembles someone from the Central Asian republics, and they are considered low class there. I don't know how exactly women think, nor do I profess to, but I do know in many ways that they are HUGELY & neurologically affected by cultural programming towards people positive or negative.

I also really disagree with the rarity thing; rarity by that definition is culturally relative, a rare person (your defin) considered by females within a certain culture does not mean someone completely different or outside the parameters & standards of beauty within that culture, but definable & within the upper echelon and the far end of said culture, somewhat within but not outside of it. All the white guys that I grew up with didn't usually go for Asian girls, (Midwest). I am sure the guy in the picture was airbrushed or had surgery of other things. You and I do have had different experiences and see things differently.

I don't understand what's going on here, on the other threads there were a huge number of guys being subtle, covert or outright racist assholes towards black guys for wanting to be successful with women of all races, and it was being accepted. It took primarily the Black guys to point those assholes out. Yet when Asian guys are concerned everyone is a sweet little angel trying to help the "oppressed" & beaten down Asian man, and you are obviously a no-good close-minded racist if you have any minor criticism or negative things to say about them; even if you aren't even being that close of a racist asshole like the guys in the other threads towards blacks.

One of the best players I know is a 5 ft 6 scrawny Indian dude with a huge nose. He is a living testament that race, height and looks are not deal breakers for women, at least the women here in Australia.

Minority men from this forum have travelled to Russia and Ukraine and not experienced racial violence. Even Roosh has said he thinks the fear of being attacked by skinheads is seriously overblown.

And if you're from the Midwest, how would you know how Middle Eastern and North African girls react towards minority men?

I do agree with you that there's a lot of racism on this forum towards the black guys though. One nutcase said blacks weren't capable of civilization without white people (I'm not black btw)

Post: #28

Racism arose and exists because of sexual competition between males.

Simple as that.

Women did not come up with racism. Throughout history, men have traditionally been the dominant sex, the leaders, innovators, discoverers, and initiators while women were followers.

Think about it. Some may say that racism arose because of economic reasons, and that may be partly true, but on an even deeper level, why would a man want higher economic status in the first place? The answer: to get women. Someone once said,"If a man could f**k in a cardboard box, he would not buy a house."

If a race of blue men is able to keep another race of purple men down, then the first race of blue men will have an easier time maintaining their higher status (aka "alphaness").

Racism could possibly be ignored if 2 prerequisites are met:

1) Blue men are equally attracted to purple women, and purple men are equally attracted to blue women.

2) Both blue men and purple men have an equal opportunity to access each other's women.

When either of these prerequisites are not met, racism spills over.

For example, if blue women are preceived to be more beautiful and attractive than purple women, then both blue men and purple men will fight over blue women. This naturally irritates blue men who are either not interested in purple women or another reason.

This is why racism currently exists in America.

This is what is happening in America. For the most part, white American men really are not interested in black women all that much (**cough**Dash Global**cough**). It is a fact that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, the lowest rates of interracial marriage, and the highest rates of being single (around 70% of black American women are single.)

With racism and racialized beauty standards in America (light skin, Hollywood's obsession over mixed women, weaves, etc.) black American women and virtually all of America have been continually that they are ugly, unattractive, and not good enough. Basically, when musical chairs is over, no guy wants to be left standing with a black woman.

Black men represent an unwanted competitor. White men, therefore, need tighter game, more money, and higher status, to snag an attractive woman because they're not really interested in black women.

Unless a man has some sort of black woman fetish, a black woman needs to be at least a 9.5 out of 10 to get second look from a non-black man.

Furthermore, white women seem to be highly prized compared to other races of women (just my observation). Whether it is genetic rarity such as green eyes, blue eyes, blonde hair, or red hair, one can say that the average white woman will appear to be more attractive than the average black woman (everything else being equal).

Occasionally, one hears of white American men traveling, meeting, and marrying Latin American women, Asian women, and Eastern European women, but how many of you have ever heard of a white American man going to Africa to get a black woman? Even on the Travel Forum, except for Naughty Nomad and Pitt, there almost seems to be no interest in Africa.

Post: #29

(11-13-2011 08:30 PM)blurb Wrote:  This is what is happening in America. For the most part, white American men really are not interested in black women all that much (**cough**Dash Global**cough). It is a fact that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, the lowest rates of interracial marriage, and the highest rates of being single (around 70% of black American women are single.)

Why is it wrong to not be that interested in black women? Why don't you date them?

Also, I am not gonna start another thread to ask this, so I'll ask right here. What is up with all this shaming of people's personal preferences? Why is it wrong for white women to prefer dating white men? What is so wrong with that?

Post: #30

(11-13-2011 08:30 PM)blurb Wrote:  Racism arose and exists because of sexual competition between males. Simple as that.

Women did not come up with racism. Throughout history, men have traditionally been the dominant sex, the leaders, innovators, discoverers, and initiators while women were followers.

Think about it. Some may say that racism arose because of economic reasons, and that may be partly true, but on an even deeper level, why would a man want higher economic status in the first place? The answer: to get women. Someone once said,"If a man could f**k in a cardboard box, he would not buy a house."

If a race of blue men is able to keep another race of purple men down, then the first race of blue men will have an easier time maintaining their higher status (aka "alphaness").

Racism could possibly be ignored if 2 prerequisites are met:

1) Blue men are equally attracted to purple women, and purple men are equally attracted to blue women.

2) Both blue men and purple men have an equal opportunity to access each other's women.

When either of these prerequisites are not met, racism spills over.

For example, if blue women are preceived to be more beautiful and attractive than purple women, then both blue men and purple men will fight over blue women. This naturally irritates blue men who are either not interested in purple women or another reason.

This is why racism currently exists in America.

This is what is happening in America. For the most part, white American men really are not interested in black women all that much (**cough**Dash Global**cough). It is a fact that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, the lowest rates of interracial marriage, and the highest rates of being single (around 70% of black American women are single.)

With racism and racialized beauty standards in America (light skin, Hollywood's obsession over mixed women, weaves, etc.) black American women and virtually all of America have been continually that they are ugly, unattractive, and not good enough. Basically, when musical chairs is over, no guy wants to be left standing with a black woman.

Black men represent an unwanted competitor. White men, therefore, need tighter game, more money, and higher status, to snag an attractive woman because they're not really interested in black women.

Real talk right there!

Post: #31

(11-13-2011 03:23 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Lots of interracial sex goes on behind closed doors, it's just serious interracial relations and/or marriage that's relatively rare, esp between blacks and whites in America. I don't know even one single black dude who has not fucked a white chic before. So they are definitely available for sex, just not as much so as girlfriends or wives.

Honestly I'm kind of bored of seeing these studies about America. It's always the same thing. I'd like to see some studies on this topic done in Brazil or Europe.

Many white girls are told NEVER to marry a black man or date one, so what do you think this does to them. Eventually, they will get with a black man. Most will marry Joe "Nice" white guy and as stats are showing they no longer live happily ever after. I have met and still do meet many of these divorcees who want to sample the forbidden fruit.

I understand everyone talks about America since most people on the forum live there, not rarely a fair example because it is a racist country for the most part with a racist past.

Most black guys on this forum will rave about some foreign country that they have been too, once you get a taste of that you will no longer take American seriously again (in my case Canada).

Now before you dismiss what I am saying, there are a few senior black guys on this forum who I talk to offline. Due to the ignorance on this forum they no longer wish to share the information of there recent travels.

Post: #32

One thing about black dudes is for the most part I think they enjoy game and pussy hunting overall. White dudes don't. Even some of my best looking white friends with money just kind of wait for pussy to fall on them and they deal with what it is because they don't like to hunt. I respect black dudes for having tighter game and putting the effort in.

"Now before you dismiss what I am saying, there are a few senior black guys on this forum who I talk to offline. Due to the ignorance on this forum they no longer wish to share the information of there recent travels."

So why do they come here? I throw shit on here that will put you in pussy right in my backyard. Black, white, asian..whatever

Post: #33

Quote:Also, I am not gonna start another thread to ask this, so I'll ask right here. What is up with all this shaming of people's personal preferences? Why is it wrong for white women to prefer dating white men? What is so wrong with that?

1) There's nothing wrong with having preferences.

2) I never shamed people's personal preferences. You can read my post again. I was merely making an objective observation and analysis. There is also data to support my viewpoint that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, interracial marriage, and highest rates of being single.

I was merely explaining the mechanics of the how and why of racism.

Quote:Why is it wrong to not be that interested in black women? Why don't you date them?

Straw man.

You claim that I have never dated black women, but you don't know anything about me or my dating history. For all intents and purposes, I could actually be a poster that loves black women.

Post: #34

(11-13-2011 09:06 PM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote:Also, I am not gonna start another thread to ask this, so I'll ask right here. What is up with all this shaming of people's personal preferences? Why is it wrong for white women to prefer dating white men? What is so wrong with that?

1) There's nothing wrong with having preferences.

2) I never shamed people's personal preferences. You can read my post again. I was merely making an objective observation and analysis. There is also data to support my viewpoint that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, interracial marriage, and highest rates of being single.

I was merely explaining the mechanics of the how and why of racism.

Quote:Why is it wrong to not be that interested in black women? Why don't you date them?

Straw man.

You claim that I have never dated black women, but you don't know anything about me or my dating history. For all intents and purposes, I could actually be a poster that loves black women.

Alright. One last question, what makes someone racist?

Post: #35

Quote:Alright. One last question, what makes someone racist?

C'mon dude. You're not serious?

Post: #36

(11-13-2011 09:22 PM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote:Alright. One last question, what makes someone racist?

C'mon dude. You're not serious?

I am asking for your personal definition of what makes someone racist, since there seems to be multiple definitions of racist.

Actually, there are multiple definitions of what makes someone racist. It seems to be a word that is tossed around quite often on this forum, yet is used differently and has different meanings under those different uses.

I want to know what you think quantifies someone as racist?

I personally believe that someone who is racist is a person who outright hates other races that are different from their own. Yet, my roommate believes a racist is someone who prefers their own race over others.

Post: #37

(11-13-2011 08:27 PM)P Dog Wrote:  One of the best players I know is a 5 ft 6 scrawny Indian dude with a huge nose. He is a living testament that race, height and looks are not deal breakers for women, at least the women here in Australia.

However, this scrawny Indian dude does not disprove the study. Let's look again at a key finding from this report:

Quote:“What you’ve got is basically the reluctance of white Americans to date and to contact members of other ethnicities, particularly African-Americans,” he said. “We are nowhere near the post-racial age.”

There is a "problem". Why can't we acknowledge that non-white guys have trouble dating outside of their ethnicity? Of course just because there is a reluctance amongst whites to date non-whites doesn't mean that it is not possible. We see examples of this around us all the time. Yes, it can be overcome with game, accomplishments etc.

However, crucially, a non-white guy with same level of looks as a white guy needs to:

1. Work harder and have better game to land the same quality of pussy.

2. And/or needs be more accomplished in other aspects of his life to land the same pussy as the white guy.

Post: #38

(11-13-2011 08:30 PM)blurb Wrote:  It is a fact that black women have the lowest rates of marriage, the lowest rates of interracial marriage, and the highest rates of being single (around 70% of black American women are single.)

I've never heard that 70% of black women are single. Do you have a source for this? Are you talking about a particular age bracket because I find that number too high to believe. It might not account for black women who have boyfriends or "baby daddies" or otherwise cohabiting with a man that isn't her husband.

Quote:Black men represent an unwanted competitor. White men, therefore, need tighter game, more money, and higher status, to snag an attractive woman because they're not really interested in black women.

Ehhh...if a white guy isn't getting any action, it ain't because blacks guys are stealing it away from him. Black men are a whopping 6% of the American population. If they're that paranoid about such a small demographic that's just pathetic.

Quote:Unless a man has some sort of black woman fetish, a black woman needs to be at least a 9.5 out of 10 to get second look from a non-black man.

This is a bit much. While white men that date black women do tend to date above average attractive black women, I've seen plenty of mediocre black women I wouldn't even consider dating who are with non-black men. I pay close attention to this dating-up/dating-down thing and how it applies to race. Saying a black woman has to be a perfect 10 nearly to date non-black is just not true. Though it is true that they will have it much harder than any other type of woman.

Quote:Occasionally, one hears of white American men traveling, meeting, and marrying Latin American women, Asian women, and Eastern European women, but how many of you have ever heard of a white American man going to Africa to get a black woman? Even on the Travel Forum, except for Naughty Nomad and Pitt, there almost seems to be no interest in Africa.

The emphasis on American. American white males(maybe Canadian too, I dunno) have a strong disinterest in black women. However that's not necessarily shared by all white men. I've met many black women in Europe who date white men with no problem. I've met black American women that have been to places like Spain, France and Italy and reported being hit on relentlessly(esp Italy). There are tens of thousands of W. African prostitutes in Italy, so somebody must be fucking them or they wouldn't be there. Black women that have visited Argentina have reported similar things. People need to stop acting like what is the norm for white American males is the norm for everyone globally.

Post: #39

(11-13-2011 10:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Ehhh...if a white guy isn't getting any action, it ain't because blacks guys are stealing it away from him. Black men are a whopping 6% of the American population. If they're that paranoid about such a small demographic that's just pathetic.

Don't forget it depends where you live. In NYC and Chicago black men would make up a quarter of the male population.

(11-13-2011 10:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  People need to stop acting like what is the norm for white American males is the norm for everyone globally.

There's a word for it: Americentrism.

Post: #40

Quote:I've never heard that 70% of black women are single. Do you have a source for this?

I couldn't find the original article in which I read that, but here's the closest I came to in my research:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...83556.html

For tax purposes, it refers to unmarried black women if I'm not mistaken, but with so many degrees and variations of relationships, it's difficult and somewhat superficial to take anything else into account. For example, does an on-again and off-again boyfriend count as someone in a relationship?

Quote:Ehhh...if a white guy isn't getting any action, it ain't because blacks guys are stealing it away from him. Black men are a whopping 6% of the American population. If they're that paranoid about such a small demographic that's just pathetic.

Perhaps. I don't really know how much of an effect a certain percentage will have.

I will point out that for all the "man-shortage" talked about in FSU countries, the gender imbalance is actually off by a few percentage points. So, what's to say a small percentage can actually have big effect? For example:

Russia-- 54% Women: 46% Men (8% difference)

Kazakhstan-- 52% Women: 48% Men (4%difference)

Quote:This is a bit much. While white men that date black women do tend to date above average attractive black women, I've seen plenty of mediocre black women I wouldn't even consider dating who are with non-black men. I pay close attention to this dating-up/dating-down thing and how it applies to race. Saying a black woman has to be a perfect 10 nearly to date non-black is just not true. Though it is true that they will have it much harder than any other type of woman.

I was exaggerating a bit, but from my observations, white men tend to be very selective when choosing black women. (Hence, you'll likely see a white man with a very above average black woman.)

Quote:The emphasis on American. American white males(maybe Canadian too, I dunno) have a strong disinterest in black women. However that's not necessarily shared by all white men. I've met many black women in Europe who date white men with no problem. I've met black American women that have been to places like Spain, France and Italy and reported being hit on relentlessly(esp Italy). There are tens of thousands of W. African prostitutes in Italy, so somebody must be fucking them or they wouldn't be there. Black women that have visited Argentina have reported similar things. People need to stop acting like what is the norm for white American males is the norm for everyone globally.

I was careful to note "American men" and deliberately used that term in all of my sentences since I knew that the American norm is not the global norm.

Post: #41

(11-13-2011 10:02 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 08:27 PM)P Dog Wrote:  One of the best players I know is a 5 ft 6 scrawny Indian dude with a huge nose. He is a living testament that race, height and looks are not deal breakers for women, at least the women here in Australia.

However, this scrawny Indian dude does not disprove the study. Let's look again at a key finding from this report:

Quote:“What you’ve got is basically the reluctance of white Americans to date and to contact members of other ethnicities, particularly African-Americans,” he said. “We are nowhere near the post-racial age.”

There is a "problem". Why can't we acknowledge that non-white guys have trouble dating outside of their ethnicity? Of course just because there is a reluctance amongst whites to date non-whites doesn't mean that it is not possible. We see examples of this around us all the time. Yes, it can be overcome with game, accomplishments etc.

However, crucially, a non-white guy with same level of looks as a white guy needs to:

1. Work harder and have better game to land the same quality of pussy.

2. And/or needs be more accomplished in other aspects of his life to land the same pussy as the white guy.

Manbout, which places have you been to make these observations?

For example as Mixx said, White girls hunted him down in North Dakota and those northern Midwest states.

A black guy with similar game will probably kill in Winni compared to a white guy with the same game.

Put a man who looks different in a city that's mostly white and he'll gather attention quickly. As long as there's no real racism in the city he'll do better than a friend who looks exactly like him and has the same game. How many Asian guys do you know that are tall and good looking like the average jock? Even an average white dude has no game, while the average asian male has severe anti-game. As they say no game is better than anti-game.

You're extrapolating from Toronto, which is a city where the stereotype of the nerdy Asian male is the strongest. Asian and Indian guys have zero exotic value here.

Post: #42

(11-13-2011 10:55 PM)blurb Wrote:  I was careful to note "American men" and deliberately used that term in all of my sentences since I knew that the American norm is not the global norm.

Exactly. If the woman in the pic below were to walk down the streets of Rome, Paris, Madrid, Buenos Aires, hell maybe even Moscow, she'd be fighting men off. The fact that she would be ignored by white men in America is more a statement on white men in America than it is with her.

Post: #43

Okay my fellow brothas, we have discussed this race and dating thing a billion times in the forum. It's fascinating, but it's getting a bit much. We already know the deal, there's racism in America, it going to impact your ability to succeed with some women in the context of a racist society. Not necessarily stop you but it will provide some added difficulties that are out of your control, such as her fears of how her friends and family will handle it. Isn't shit we can do about that aspect of it. So rather than complaining about things we can't control, why don't we now turn this discussion toward the type of things we can do to have a wider appeal and overcome hurdles. My point here is not to say black men should only date women out of their race. For the record, I like all kinds of women(well maybe except E. Indian), including black, but I don't want to be limited to black American women any more than most the white guys in here want to be limited to Walmart shopping, McDonald's eating white American girls.

So maybe we can talk positive about this and start some tips that I think will help us. The biggest thing that will help I think is to be race-transcending. I think it's crucial that the girl sees you as an individual person first and foremost, completely unique unto yourself that can't be stereotyped or pigeon-holed to fit some expectation of your behavior or status based on your race. Actively avoid behaving in any stereotypical manner. Remember, Barack Obama is president precisely because he ran as a race-transcending figure. The most popular black actors e.g. Will Smith, Halle Berry, Denzel, Morgan Freeman, etc are race transcending. That doesn't mean they sideline their blackness(like Hermann Cain) or try to hide it, just means they don't limit themselves to it and they let their talent and appeal shine through regardless of their color and people recognize it for it is. Beyond that, I think the social value issue we get some points deducted from us, but we can make those back up by dressing well(and not hiphop gear), having some travel experience, being intelligent, worldly and being able to show girls shit that they have never experienced before. Of course having your financial cards in order would help immensely too. I think there's always going to be more upfront bitch-shield and resistance when a black man is spitting game so our DHV game has to be tighter than it is for other men.

Unfortunately, I think families pressure is the biggest hurdle for us to get past and there's no solution to that I can think of(any ideas people?). I once lost a good opportunity with a middle eastern girl who was feeling me but couldn't continue because her family would go ballistic if they found out she was seeing a black guy. A brotha I knew was dating this Armenian girl for a bit and Armenian families are notoriously insular. She never introduced him to her parents and was afraid to. Things eventually ended. I don't know if there's much that can be done about this aspect of interracial dating.

Post: #44

@Speakeasy

The black female in that pic will be approached by ANY MALE in America who does not have race restrictions...and probably a few more males who SAY that they won't approach black women. Those guys who fall into the latter group will approach her "behind the scenes".

Pass me her contact info.....lol

Post: #45

(11-14-2011 04:28 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Okay my fellow brothas, we have discussed this race and dating thing a billion times in the forum. It's fascinating, but it's getting a bit much. We already know the deal, there's racism in America, it going to impact your ability to succeed with some women in the context of a racist society. Not necessarily stop you but it will provide some added difficulties that are out of your control, such as her fears of how her friends and family will handle it. Isn't shit we can do about that aspect of it. So rather than complaining about things we can't control, why don't we now turn this discussion toward the type of things we can do to have a wider appeal and overcome hurdles. My point here is not to say black men should only date women out of their race. For the record, I like all kinds of women(well maybe except E. Indian), including black, but I don't want to be limited to black American women any more than most the white guys in here want to be limited to Walmart shopping, McDonald's eating white American girls.

So maybe we can talk positive about this and start some tips that I think will help us. The biggest thing that will help I think is to be race-transcending. I think it's crucial that the girl sees you as an individual person first and foremost, completely unique unto yourself that can't be stereotyped or pigeon-holed to fit some expectation of your behavior or status based on your race. Actively avoid behaving in any stereotypical manner. Remember, Barack Obama is president precisely because he ran as a race-transcending figure. The most popular black actors e.g. Will Smith, Halle Berry, Denzel, Morgan Freeman, etc are race transcending. That doesn't mean they sideline their blackness(like Hermann Cain) or try to hide it, just means they don't limit themselves to it and they let their talent and appeal shine through regardless of their color and people recognize it for it is. Beyond that, I think the social value issue we get some points deducted from us, but we can make those back up by dressing well(and not hiphop gear), having some travel experience, being intelligent, worldly and being able to show girls shit that they have never experienced before. Of course having your financial cards in order would help immensely too. I think there's always going to be more upfront bitch-shield and resistance when a black man is spitting game so our DHV game has to be tighter than it is for other men.

Unfortunately, I think families pressure is the biggest hurdle for us to get past and there's no solution to that I can think of(any ideas people?). I once lost a good opportunity with a middle eastern girl who was feeling me but couldn't continue because her family would go ballistic if they found out she was seeing a black guy. A brotha I knew was dating this Armenian girl for a bit and Armenian families are notoriously insular. She never introduced him to her parents and was afraid to. Things eventually ended. I don't know if there's much that can be done about this aspect of interracial dating.

There you have it. Family pressure aside, it's about the individual merits one can bring to the table.

Post: #46

(11-13-2011 11:09 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Manbout, which places have you been to make these observations?

For example as Mixx said, White girls hunted him down in North Dakota and those northern Midwest states.

A black guy with similar game will probably kill in Winni compared to a white guy with the same game.

Put a man who looks different in a city that's mostly white and he'll gather attention quickly. As long as there's no real racism in the city he'll do better than a friend who looks exactly like him and has the same game. How many Asian guys do you know that are tall and good looking like the average jock? Even an average white dude has no game, while the average asian male has severe anti-game. As they say no game is better than anti-game.

You're extrapolating from Toronto, which is a city where the stereotype of the nerdy Asian male is the strongest. Asian and Indian guys have zero exotic value here.

How about we stop extrapolating from our own experiences and observations and stick to discussing the findings of the study itself? Inevitably your observations will be different from mine, and there is no way for us to quantify them or decide which ones hold more validity. But, the study as presented comes to the conclusion that white online daters overwhelmingly prefer to communicate with other whites.

Here's another study, done by the dating site OKCupid, and is in no way connected to the first one I linked, but it comes to a similar conclusion, in fact:

Quote:White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-r...-you-back/

This is what the average Asian, Indian, Black dude has to face if he is dealing with white women.

Post: #47

(11-14-2011 08:54 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 11:09 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Manbout, which places have you been to make these observations?

For example as Mixx said, White girls hunted him down in North Dakota and those northern Midwest states.

A black guy with similar game will probably kill in Winni compared to a white guy with the same game.

Put a man who looks different in a city that's mostly white and he'll gather attention quickly. As long as there's no real racism in the city he'll do better than a friend who looks exactly like him and has the same game. How many Asian guys do you know that are tall and good looking like the average jock? Even an average white dude has no game, while the average asian male has severe anti-game. As they say no game is better than anti-game.

You're extrapolating from Toronto, which is a city where the stereotype of the nerdy Asian male is the strongest. Asian and Indian guys have zero exotic value here.

How about we stop extrapolating from our own experiences and observations and stick to discussing the findings of the study itself? Inevitably your observations will be different from mine, and there is no way for us to quantify them or decide which ones hold more validity. But, the study as presented comes to the conclusion that white online daters overwhelmingly prefer to communicate with other whites.

Here's another study, done by the dating site OKCupid, and is in no way connected to the first one I linked, but it comes to a similar conclusion, in fact:

Quote:White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-r...-you-back/

This is what the average Asian, Indian, Black dude has to face if he is dealing with white women.

Ok Check. I'm white and 42 what does my age do for my odds that could possibly be worse than race? It means shit online only.

Post: #48

(11-14-2011 08:54 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 11:09 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Manbout, which places have you been to make these observations?

For example as Mixx said, White girls hunted him down in North Dakota and those northern Midwest states.

A black guy with similar game will probably kill in Winni compared to a white guy with the same game.

Put a man who looks different in a city that's mostly white and he'll gather attention quickly. As long as there's no real racism in the city he'll do better than a friend who looks exactly like him and has the same game. How many Asian guys do you know that are tall and good looking like the average jock? Even an average white dude has no game, while the average asian male has severe anti-game. As they say no game is better than anti-game.

You're extrapolating from Toronto, which is a city where the stereotype of the nerdy Asian male is the strongest. Asian and Indian guys have zero exotic value here.

How about we stop extrapolating from our own experiences and observations and stick to discussing the findings of the study itself? Inevitably your observations will be different from mine, and there is no way for us to quantify them or decide which ones hold more validity. But, the study as presented comes to the conclusion that white online daters overwhelmingly prefer to communicate with other whites.

Here's another study, done by the dating site OKCupid, and is in no way connected to the first one I linked, but it comes to a similar conclusion, in fact:

Quote:White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-r...-you-back/

This is what the average Asian, Indian, Black dude has to face if he is dealing with white women.

This is online dating though. Keep in mind that women are making this decisions based on stereotypes they have in their mind. For example, nerdy Indian dudes with an accent.

Also keep in mind that its a reasonable assumption that people in bigger cities will be on online dating services at a higher rate. A big city is large enough that a person can have an online profile without losing their anonymity. Anybody have any data on this?

Bigger cities have more minorities where they lose any exotic factor.

In real life one of those biggest factors for determining who the girl chooses is how much attention the guy has. If he's from a different race then that just helps in getting him attention, at least in social circle situations.

A blonde girl will stand out in a crowd of brunetes very easily, and even if there are cuter brunettes more guys will notice the blonde. It instantly sets her apart because she is the only one who has the trait.

I experienced this in the USA. People were interested in my background. I had no game at the time but I still had girls that were interested.

I'm sure you have read of Mixx's experiences in North Dakota.

Post: #49

(11-14-2011 08:58 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 08:54 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 11:09 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Manbout, which places have you been to make these observations?

For example as Mixx said, White girls hunted him down in North Dakota and those northern Midwest states.

A black guy with similar game will probably kill in Winni compared to a white guy with the same game.

Put a man who looks different in a city that's mostly white and he'll gather attention quickly. As long as there's no real racism in the city he'll do better than a friend who looks exactly like him and has the same game. How many Asian guys do you know that are tall and good looking like the average jock? Even an average white dude has no game, while the average asian male has severe anti-game. As they say no game is better than anti-game.

You're extrapolating from Toronto, which is a city where the stereotype of the nerdy Asian male is the strongest. Asian and Indian guys have zero exotic value here.

How about we stop extrapolating from our own experiences and observations and stick to discussing the findings of the study itself? Inevitably your observations will be different from mine, and there is no way for us to quantify them or decide which ones hold more validity. But, the study as presented comes to the conclusion that white online daters overwhelmingly prefer to communicate with other whites.

Here's another study, done by the dating site OKCupid, and is in no way connected to the first one I linked, but it comes to a similar conclusion, in fact:

Quote:White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible.

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-r...-you-back/

This is what the average Asian, Indian, Black dude has to face if he is dealing with white women.

Ok Check. I'm white and 42 what does my age do for my odds that could possibly be worse than race? It means shit online only.

EM has talked about hollering at chicks online who had a checklist or didn't respond to him, and then running into them IRL and hollering at them again with success. I've also had this same thing happen to me. These chickenheads don't know what they want and in the online dating world their hamster wheel goes into overdrive. This is why you can only give so much credence to these online dating studies. Run into her IRL and run your tight game and there will be a different response.

Post: #50

(11-14-2011 11:23 PM)El Rey Wrote:  EM has talked about hollering at chicks online who had a checklist or didn't respond to him, and then running into them IRL and hollering at them again with success. I've also had this same thing happen to me. These chickenheads don't know what they want and in the online dating world their hamster wheel goes into overdrive. This is why you can only give so much credence to these online dating studies. Run into her IRL and run your tight game and there will be a different response.

Yup. I once knew this white girl who I had known had been black dudes before. Then I ran across her profile and her racial preference was set to white guys. While I haven't done the online thing since the mid 2000s, I've wondered should you hit up a chic on there even if her racial preference is set to something other than your race? For the reason I stated above.