Post: #1

I will often approach pairs and, usually, one of them finds me interesting, while the other tries to actively pull her friend away. What are some tactics you guys use for neutralizing a cockblocker in a pair of females?

Am I going to need a wingman?

Post: #2

(11-04-2011 09:09 PM)Batata Wrote:  I will often approach pairs and, usually, one of them finds me interesting, while the other tries to actively pull her friend away. What are some tactics you guys use for neutralizing a cockblocker in a pair of females?

Am I going to need a wingman?

Its not failsafe, but I switch it up and show more attention to the one that's backing off. Hasn't got me a notch yet (shitty logistics), but at least there isn't cockblocking by an angry friend.

Post: #3

Very difficult to pull this off. Theres tons of typical female behavior such as anger, false persona, jealousy etc.

Even if one is feeling you the second generally cock blocks in a "cmon Jenny, you're NOT a whore remember?" type way

Best thing to do is to try and get the digits on the chick thats into you and meet up later on. It goes w/o saying that if you can get the lay even w/ the cockblocking friend in the picture then by all means..............

Post: #4

Daygame or night-game? Describe the scenario in more detail

Post: #5

(11-05-2011 02:00 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  Daygame or night-game? Describe the scenario in more detail

Night game. This is usually a problem within the first first minute or so of approaching. E.g. one girl will have eyes for me, the other actively tries to pry her friend off of me.

Post: #6

Unless you have the ability to keep both of them occupied, it is best to have someone to "take out the blocker".

As a matter of fact, this SHOULD be a required act of any of your boys who go out with you. Either by way of eye-contact or a head-nod, one of your boys is supposed to take out the possible "blocker".

- In groups of women on foot, there is usually one who is the ring leader
- If the group of chicks is in a car, SOMEBODY must make sure that the DRIVER is occupied

I know there have been major arguments in the past in my group for one of us failing to take out a blocker.

Post: #7

2-sets are hard, 3's are better, but I've made it work (rarely)

I try to direct my attention towards the blocker, ignoring hotter target, hoping some random dude starts hitting on target (i.e. create an opportunity hoping to draw out a random). When I'm lucky, this behavior has gotten target somewhat interested and thus makes "switching over" less difficult, now that I've developed rapport with blocker. Switch should be easy, in theory, because target will be more interested in guy ignoring her than the 50th dude to cold approach her (i.e. the random).

Granted, this working is a lot of luck/circumstance. Hotness delta between the two girls should be material, bar should be crowded enough that random will appear and target will not get bored, and if random is a total dream-date then you're probably fucked.

Post: #8

Would you try to open a pair of girls by yourself in the daytime? Or is it a waste of time? I'm guessing this must be some kind of an "advanced level" move (i.e. Vicky Christina Barcelona), which is not where I am. (Also don't have access to an airplane...) But it seems like it might be a necessary skill to acquire, because girls are often in pairs.

Today I stopped by my local coffee shop to see what might turn up. It ended up being very slow on this wet and foggy day.

I sat down in a table I usually go to, which was next to (10 ft or so) another table with a red-haired girl which looked like a prospect, but right after I sat down her friend turned up and they started talking. I gave up on the approach and just put out my aloof/arrogant "vibe", enjoyed my coffee, and tried not to laugh at the vapid conversation, which was pretty easy to overhear though I pretended to be busy with my phone. I ignored them and did not make eye contact or turn my head toward them. They were college-aged. Topics ranged on everything from religion to one girl's secret boyfriend which her parents don't know about...imagine that!

After almost an hour they left, and one said she wanted to discuss something in the car where it would be more private. So they obviously didn't want to be overheard anymore. As they left the second girl crossed my line of sight. She looked right at me, smiled, and said, "Have a nice day." Funny. I gave strong eye contact with a slight smirk and said "You too". It was actually the first chance I got to see what she looked like, and she was a decent slim brunette.

Next time I'm in this situation I think I will try some of Giovonny's "fake phone call in a foreign language" game, and see if that gets a reaction.

Post: #9

For sure, I approach duos all the time. The way I roll it is to come across as a generally social person, engage them in a conversation about something you've overheard, for example. Opening is generally pretty easy - especially if they're hanging out.You have to realize, however, that you have to entertain them both, judge the conversation, not let it go stale, and gradually focus the conversation to the person you are interested in. You'll quickly pull into direct questions of interest to the girl and then get the digits and bail. Within 10-15 minutes.

You're not there to entertain them all day - you're gauging general interest, getting some basic info, getting her phone number and planning a follow up. There's no instant dates approaching a duo in daygame.

At least, this is how I do it. Pretty effective, too. Some of the hottest girls I'm going out with/gone out with are from a result of that.

Post: #10

Interesting that in my last Europe trip I had a lot of success opening pairs when solo. If you want to get the bang, approach first the girl you're interested in, but also involve the friend in the conversation afterwards (this will make her your ally and prevent her from cockblocking you, at the same time she will know she's not your target).

Another strategy is to open them both and engage them both at the same time. Then after a few minutes you start talking directly to the girl you're interested. If your initial impact was strong enough, it's not hard that both girls will want to make out with you. As enticing as it is, getting a triple make out will probably cost you a bang, because going for a threesome is a totally different story, a strategy with a high failure rate.

Then I came back to Brazil and tried to use the same strategies and I failed miserably. In Brazil it's better to just go directly to the girl you're interested in and pretend her friend isn't even there. Only after I establish some rapport with the target (about 5 minutes of conversation) that I acknowledge her friend, and even then, it's only to be polite. It's just that girls are so used to direct game here, that indirect game makes them confused about your intentions.

Of course this is all about night game. I don't approach pairs during the day.

Post: #11

So I was reflecting on that situation above where the girl in effect opened me while she was leaving, which was odd. Instead of my rote reply, should I have said something like, "Hey, come back here" and then tried to start a conversation? I'm thinking so, even if it has a slim chance of working.

Obviously I should have tried to open the two of them. I forgot Roosh's line about "having the most fun..." Would have been appropriate in this case.

Post: #12

(12-07-2013 03:36 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  So I was reflecting on that situation above where the girl in effect opened me while she was leaving, which was odd. Instead of my rote reply, should I have said something like, "Hey, come back here" and then tried to start a conversation? I'm thinking so, even if it has a slim chance of working.

Obviously I should have tried to open the two of them. I forgot Roosh's line about "having the most fun..." Would have been appropriate in this case.

Yes, that sounds a lot better.

Tell her to "come here" and ask her what her name is, where she's from as you start getting physical (ex.squeeze her upper arms or forearms briefly) and and then just tease her based off of those responses you get. Lazer eye contact here with a smirk, unwavering. Let it flow from there, just do/say whatever you feel like doing/saying as long as it's coming from a place of self-amusement, having fun and you totally own it, she will love it. Focus on engaging her emotionally and feel free to be non-sensical, don't worry about having the perfect ramble.

Don't beat yourself up too much, just use this as leverage. Try to always improve at taking advantage of opportunities that throw themselves at you as well as creating your own.

I would recommend you don't get too into the whole "aloof" thing roissy has everyone going on about.

Reflecting on my personal experience I have lost out on many opportunities especially "split second" type ones such as you just described due to playing it "too cool" or "aloof" and being too "james bond" in general. Don't be afraid to take a look to see what they look like, as long as you do it intentionally, slowly and make eye contact while smirking and don't quickly dart your eyes when they look back it's ok to do so and then you know what they look like. Be natural about it.

The best thing would have been to just approach the girl as you initially walked in, that way there was no time for you to hesitate, get into your head or become too "aloof" to follow through with the correct action. I'm assuming you wanted to get to know the girl and have some fun with her, clearly being "aloof" isn't going to help you out. At best by employing a passive game strategy you will get the odd indirect approach from a girl. Plus a shitload of what ifs.

Don't be aloof in your actions (go for what you want and escalate physically), rather be aloof in your attitude towards her, ex. you don't care whether she goes or stays, because you know women are abundant and that you have options, with a better one always around the corner. So you are free to do whatever you want with her and she can take it or leave it, you are indifferent. You don't take her seriously.

I'd also recommend meditating so as to improve your ability to be truly present in the moment, to try to live your life in slow-mo so that you can take action swiftly (slow your actions and thoughts, so you feel like you have more time to take action), just jump in.

As always, have rock solid body language, vocal tonality, etc.

Post: #13

(12-07-2013 05:51 PM)freewheeler Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:36 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  So I was reflecting on that situation above where the girl in effect opened me while she was leaving, which was odd. Instead of my rote reply, should I have said something like, "Hey, come back here" and then tried to start a conversation? I'm thinking so, even if it has a slim chance of working.

Obviously I should have tried to open the two of them. I forgot Roosh's line about "having the most fun..." Would have been appropriate in this case.

Yes, that sounds a lot better.

Tell her to "come here" and ask her what her name is, where she's from as you start getting physical (ex.squeeze her upper arms or forearms briefly) and and then just tease her based off of those responses you get. Lazer eye contact here with a smirk, unwavering. Let it flow from there, just do/say whatever you feel like doing/saying as long as it's coming from a place of self-amusement, having fun and you totally own it, she will love it. Focus on engaging her emotionally and feel free to be non-sensical, don't worry about having the perfect ramble.

Hmmm. So in my case I was talking about a situation in a coffee shop and this sounds more like a night game move...or am I wrong?

I didn't mention that in the above situation there was my table separating us as she walked by so touching would not have been possible.

Quote:I would recommend you don't get too into the whole "aloof" thing Roissy has everyone going on about.

Reflecting on my personal experience I have lost out on many opportunities especially "split second" type ones such as you just described due to playing it "too cool" or "aloof" and being too "james bond" in general. Don't be afraid to take a look to see what they look like, as long as you do it intentionally, slowly and make eye contact while smirking and don't quickly dart your eyes when they look back it's ok to do so and then you know what they look like. Be natural about it.

That sounds right to me. Although they clearly do dig it when you put out that slightly arrogant/aloof vibe. However, "entitled and self-amused" might be a better description.

In retrospect I was just a bit unsure of what to do since so far I've been interacting 1-on-1 in all my daytime approaches. But I think you're right - it's better not to hesitate and just jump in and see what happens.

Post: #14

What you should have done is joined the conversation at some point during the interaction. Not speaking, being aloof, isn't going to get you anywhere daygame on the net level; it's beneficial in the time, it may give you looks, but it won't get you the girl. Alternatively, when she said "Have a nice day", you can return "Hey, come here for a moment."

It's just a moment - get her name, go with a direct opener. Or tease her on not conversing earlier. Or whatever. Depends on context. More key is just taking it quickly further if she's shown a point of interest like that. Don't let it last too long; build a quick emotional connection and let her go on with her day. Do some small physical contact but you don't want her friend waiting for her - that's a bad impression. You want her friend back there smiling watching her friend meet someone new, not frustrated because she's getting ditched.

However, during daygame, a lot (30-50%?) of my closes are the second time I see girl. Browsing around, talking to girls, I'll often converse for 30seconds to a minute, and then I'll run into her a few weeks later. Easy open; you've spoken before. You play the odds and before long you see girls all the time that you've talked to before. Between those and the longer approaches that turn into immediate closes... you get some good returns.

Post: #15

(12-07-2013 07:21 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 05:51 PM)freewheeler Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 03:36 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  So I was reflecting on that situation above where the girl in effect opened me while she was leaving, which was odd. Instead of my rote reply, should I have said something like, "Hey, come back here" and then tried to start a conversation? I'm thinking so, even if it has a slim chance of working.

Obviously I should have tried to open the two of them. I forgot Roosh's line about "having the most fun..." Would have been appropriate in this case.

Yes, that sounds a lot better.

Tell her to "come here" and ask her what her name is, where she's from as you start getting physical (ex.squeeze her upper arms or forearms briefly) and and then just tease her based off of those responses you get. Lazer eye contact here with a smirk, unwavering. Let it flow from there, just do/say whatever you feel like doing/saying as long as it's coming from a place of self-amusement, having fun and you totally own it, she will love it. Focus on engaging her emotionally and feel free to be non-sensical, don't worry about having the perfect ramble.

Hmmm. So in my case I was talking about a situation in a coffee shop and this sounds more like a night game move...or am I wrong?

I didn't mention that in the above situation there was my table separating us as she walked by so touching would not have been possible.

Quote:I would recommend you don't get too into the whole "aloof" thing Roissy has everyone going on about.

Reflecting on my personal experience I have lost out on many opportunities especially "split second" type ones such as you just described due to playing it "too cool" or "aloof" and being too "james bond" in general. Don't be afraid to take a look to see what they look like, as long as you do it intentionally, slowly and make eye contact while smirking and don't quickly dart your eyes when they look back it's ok to do so and then you know what they look like. Be natural about it.

That sounds right to me. Although they clearly do dig it when you put out that slightly arrogant/aloof vibe. However, "entitled and self-amused" might be a better description.

In retrospect I was just a bit unsure of what to do since so far I've been interacting 1-on-1 in all my daytime approaches. But I think you're right - it's better not to hesitate and just jump in and see what happens.

I don't consider it a night game move at all. It's perfectly natural to get physical with a girl, it's simply part of how you communicate on a man to woman basis. Just like you look deeply into a girl's eyes, speak in a low voice, you touch her here and there as you talk to her, all very naturally of course. Don't think of it as "deploying the kino technique" it is natural. Physicality is key, especially right off the bat as you want to set the right dynamic.

If you want something less bold, just go with the "you look like you're having the most fun out of everyone here" line, lazer eye contact/smirk and touch her on the shoulder as you say it. Then just keep the interaction rolling from there, she should be extremely receptive if you're 100% congruent and have zero anxiety while saying this.

Don't think that there is some magic daygame and some magic nightgame. It all comes from the same place, you should be very centered internally, present, free of outcome, trusting of yourself and acting through your own intentions (ex. do what you want to do, what you know is right without hesitation).

Don't get suckered into the environment--who cares if you're in a coffeeshop or wherever, there is no "socially acceptable" place to meet people, fuck the notion of "socially acceptable." If you're a busy man how else are you supposed to meet women? As you go through your own day, any women you come across are fair game, anytime, anywhere.

Girls just want to have fun and surrender to a dominant, masculine man.

Be dangerous from the start.

Post: #16

^^^Thanks for that answer. I can see that you're right and I need to work on including a bit more aggression in my approaches. Everytime I do I'm surprised with what I get away with.