Post: #276

Cambodia. You can get a job there without a degree.

That would be fun as hell aged 18

I'm deliberating whether to hop over there myself to be honest

Personally, it's my retirement plan

Post: #277

(08-12-2014 12:47 AM)Suits Wrote:  ^^^^Due to increasing strictness regarding visa renewals in China and upgraded enforcement in actual schools by local police, I can no longer recommend coming to Beijing if you don't not have a degree.

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Currently, the smartest move if you are interested in a longer term existence in China (and actually earning a profit), get a degree or at least fake one, if you wanna work here. Of course, you'd probably need to be 21 to fake it, because very few people have 4 year degrees at 18.

Thanks for the specific advice man, China is out of the question then.

Post: #278

(08-12-2014 08:59 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  Cambodia. You can get a job there without a degree.

That would be fun as hell aged 18

I'm deliberating whether to hop over there myself to be honest

Personally, it's my retirement plan

That sounds like a good retirement plan man! Would you think the cultures are drastically different between places like Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam? Why would you move from where you are now? Just curious. Thank you for the straight shot, I just wanted the name of one place a degenerate without a degree like me could go! lmao

I guess I'm going to Cambodia! Gonna go research but does anyone know about the hiring season dec-jan?

Post: #279

It's TEFL man, just turn up any time of the year with blonde hair

Cambodia seems like fun just because it's more raw.

At the moment I'm trying to learn Thai so I can hack further into stuff here. But I might get bored and want to live like a dirtbag in Cambodia

Vietnam's on the list too. As is Japan.

Post: #280

If you are 18 considering doing it, that is a definite YES.

I did it after graduating undergrad with a kinda worthless degree at age 22. I met people who hadn't done University doing the exact same jobs as me. My degree did not mean shit. A CELTA means more if you're just doing regular TEFL.

Honestly, spending time abroad working, learning a language, getting great life experience, meeting people from all walks of life, that was a much better experience than going to College with a bunch of dudes from your exact same background and just getting drunk and doing stupid classes.

Doing TEFL abroad can definitely help you gain perspective on life and decide what you'd like to do, or at least get an idea of it!

GO ABROAD!

Post: #281

(08-12-2014 09:12 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  If you are 18 considering doing it, that is a definite YES.

I did it after graduating undergrad with a kinda worthless degree at age 22. I met people who hadn't done University doing the exact same jobs as me. My degree did not mean shit. A CELTA means more if you're just doing regular TEFL.

Honestly, spending time abroad working, learning a language, getting great life experience, meeting people from all walks of life, that was a much better experience than going to College with a bunch of dudes from your exact same background and just getting drunk and doing stupid classes.

Doing TEFL abroad can definitely help you gain perspective on life and decide what you'd like to do, or at least get an idea of it!

GO ABROAD!

In addition for those looking to find employment when they return home, experience abroad is a big plus... it shows you aren't afraid to go out of your comfort zone.

Thank you Sonsowey, I am 100% going. And your story is one of many I know of that end in post-secondary being worthless. It's sad actually that we live in a society of debt grinding and degree mills. I'm looking to start a not-for-profit in the educational sector because I feel so strongly about how unbalanced the system is.

Anyways, where did you teach brother?

Post: #282

(08-12-2014 09:07 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  It's TEFL man, just turn up any time of the year with blonde hair

Cambodia seems like fun just because it's more raw.

At the moment I'm trying to learn Thai so I can hack further into stuff here. But I might get bored and want to live like a dirtbag in Cambodia

Vietnam's on the list too. As is Japan.

LMAO hooray for white privilege! I have dirty blond/brownish hair does that still count for gringo/farang points?

Good luck with the Thai man I can imagine it's difficult to speak an Asian language... I practice a little Arabic and that's fun but a little tough. How much do you know how to speak so far?

p.s - you must have the yellow fever bad eh? ;P haha

Post: #283

(08-12-2014 10:31 AM)TravellingSoldier Wrote:  Good luck with the Thai man I can imagine it's difficult to speak an Asian language... I practice a little Arabic and that's fun but a little tough. How much do you know how to speak so far?

p.s - you must have the yellow fever bad eh? ;P haha

My Thai is crap at the moment

I only started learning properly about three weeks ago. Figured it was time I stopped being a lazy bastard with respect to languages. Language is good with girls so it's worth learning. (I learned bugger all Korean and Chinese when I was in other countries. Spent my free time drinking).

Yeah I have yellow fever like absolute crazy. Thailand is fucking ridiculous. There are hot girls in tiny dresses everywhere. The absolute antithesis of a sausage-fest. I don't even go out that much anymore as I find plenty of good ones online (unlike Taipei).

Actually, you sound quite similar to me when I was 21 (I'm 23 now). I got tricked into doing university. Waste of three years, but ah well, the degree got me my current job which kicks arse. I left England at 21.

If you're not massively bothered about money: Cambodia, Laos or even Myanmar are open to you

It'll be about $1000-$1500 a month, but that's enough for beers and girls and stuff, you just won't save much for that all-important pension

Bear in mind you can get a reasonable studio for $150 in Bangkok. For an 18 year-old it'll probably seem bloody amazing. When I was 21 I still shared a house with 4 people in grotty England.

Upon seeing my provided-for, decrepit, dirty Korean apartment for the first time I thought it was incredible

Imagine just rocking up at a random place in SEA then living there. Really, the guys at Dave's EFL forum couldn't be more miserable. They don't realize the life they have.

Post: #284

Now in Thailand Leighton?

You totally jump ship easy hey!

Post: #285

It's the reason I chose TEFL haha,

No career development. You can jump any time you want and just lie on your CV

Post: #286

(08-12-2014 11:49 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  It's the reason I chose TEFL haha,

No career development. You can jump any time you want and just lie on your CV

Now that's what I like to hear! As for the money, $1500 a month is about what I'd be making in Canada working a J-O-B, which I would commit suicide within 6 months if I had to do so.

You're right, we do sound alike. I have a hard time staying in one place for too long. There's just too much out there to see to stay trapped in one corner of the world your entire life.

“Now more than ever do I realize that I will never be content with a sedentary life, that I will always be haunted by thoughts of a sun-drenched elsewhere.”

Post: #287

Ok I'm not into starting new threads, and since my situation and question involves teaching english abroad, I'll post here. I’m 31, have under $10k cash savings, have an accounting degree, and currently work in marketing as a data analyst.

I've been thinking of ESL for some time now. I had the big itch to go this time last year, had even decided on Taiwan, then discovered some things about myself that boosted my confidence and start applying for sales jobs. Or...I find it difficult to just move abroad, since it feels like failure because I’m supposed to be content at what I do. Yep, there’s some self-effacement. So here’s my current situation:

Opportunity #1: New sales job opportunity with an SEO/WebDev/etc company in a month. This could be an excellent opportunity to make $$ in my area and have flexibility to travel abroad while learning great sales skills (If I'm meeting quotas I can take the rest of month off. He has a guy who took 35 days off because he'd landed a couple big deals...CEO said go ahead no problem). Anyway I'm motivated and driven by travel and talking to new people, so this would be an awesome job opportunity. There’s also the “I think I’d be good at sales, but I want to know for sure.” The other thing that excites me is the learning experience with selling web management and development. This is a business that I've considered for years (before my red pill and the Digital Project Management thread), but never had the confidence to do it. This job would potentially open me up to that market.

Opportunity #2: Teach English abroad. I would like the experience and skills required to travel abroad (getting visas, arranging travel, I have no experience here). Our country is falling apart, and I'd like the flexibity of feeling comfortable living and moving thru Europe, SEA, etc. Despite my degree and business experience, I have an inherent teacher personality. I may love this, and where it would take me (outside of schools and into private teaching).

My plan: Take the sales job. If for some reason it flops, I go teach. If it takes off, I would have the $ and flexibility of traveling abroad when I want and for extended periods of time (even if for weeks or a month at a time). This route appeals to me because (1) I would know in 3 months whether the sales opportunity would work, and (2) for the future, I simply wouldn’t even include the sales job on a resume. I would just have “went to teach English abroad”. It seems like an easy jump.

My end goal: Travel abroad extensively (including learning at least one language - yes I’ve already begun learning Spanish).

I feel free to pursue a possibly risky sales position because I'm ready to move abroad and teach if it comes to that. It's liberating when you know you have an exciting alternative if something fails. One other note, I'd been thinking about the ESL thing a lot lately, then talked to my (hot) neighbor chic who said she recently got back from Taiwan after doing exactly what I'm doing (finance degree, post-poned moving overseas, then finally did it in Taiwan of all places, now she's back bc boyfriend...she loved it).

Thoughts?

Post: #288

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Post: #289

I might fly to Hanoi or take a bus to Phnom Penh next week. I can't find any jobs central to Ho Chi Minh City. They are all 20-30 minutes outside the city center or don't pay well enough.

Post: #290

(08-12-2014 04:49 PM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  I might fly to Hanoi or take a bus to Phnom Penh next week. I can't find any jobs central to Ho Chi Minh City. They are all 20-30 minutes outside the city center or don't pay well enough.

Good luck man!

Post: #291

(08-12-2014 01:40 PM)heavy Wrote:  Ok I'm not into starting new threads, and since my situation and question involves teaching english abroad, I'll post here. I’m 31, have under $10k cash savings, have an accounting degree, and currently work in marketing as a data analyst.

I've been thinking of ESL for some time now. I had the big itch to go this time last year, had even decided on Taiwan, then discovered some things about myself that boosted my confidence and start applying for sales jobs. Or...I find it difficult to just move abroad, since it feels like failure because I’m supposed to be content at what I do. Yep, there’s some self-effacement. So here’s my current situation:

Opportunity #1: New sales job opportunity with an SEO/WebDev/etc company in a month. This could be an excellent opportunity to make $$ in my area and have flexibility to travel abroad while learning great sales skills (If I'm meeting quotas I can take the rest of month off. He has a guy who took 35 days off because he'd landed a couple big deals...CEO said go ahead no problem). Anyway I'm motivated and driven by travel and talking to new people, so this would be an awesome job opportunity. There’s also the “I think I’d be good at sales, but I want to know for sure.” The other thing that excites me is the learning experience with selling web management and development. This is a business that I've considered for years (before my red pill and the Digital Project Management thread), but never had the confidence to do it. This job would potentially open me up to that market.

Opportunity #2: Teach English abroad. I would like the experience and skills required to travel abroad (getting visas, arranging travel, I have no experience here). Our country is falling apart, and I'd like the flexibity of feeling comfortable living and moving thru Europe, SEA, etc. Despite my degree and business experience, I have an inherent teacher personality. I may love this, and where it would take me (outside of schools and into private teaching).

My plan: Take the sales job. If for some reason it flops, I go teach. If it takes off, I would have the $ and flexibility of traveling abroad when I want and for extended periods of time (even if for weeks or a month at a time). This route appeals to me because (1) I would know in 3 months whether the sales opportunity would work, and (2) for the future, I simply wouldn’t even include the sales job on a resume. I would just have “went to teach English abroad”. It seems like an easy jump.

My end goal: Travel abroad extensively (including learning at least one language - yes I’ve already begun learning Spanish).

I feel free to pursue a possibly risky sales position because I'm ready to move abroad and teach if it comes to that. It's liberating when you know you have an exciting alternative if something fails. One other note, I'd been thinking about the ESL thing a lot lately, then talked to my (hot) neighbor chic who said she recently got back from Taiwan after doing exactly what I'm doing (finance degree, post-poned moving overseas, then finally did it in Taiwan of all places, now she's back bc boyfriend...she loved it).

Thoughts?

It sounds like you are hungry for a new opportunity and some adventure. If you have decided you need that then let's quickly evaluate your options. What I mean by this is that we are not discussing non travel/adventure type gigs.

I agree with your idea of trying that sales gig. If it doesn't work out you can always do the ESL thing as you discussed. But you will get a chance to learn some new work skills, opportunities and most importantly the chance to stack some cash while having the chance to travel. And if you can score big, you can get big chunks of time to travel. You can (I am guessing) work on your ESL stuff at the same time so you can be ready to go if you choose to jump.

Take the adventure. Good luck!

Post: #292

Teaching english in Thailand

A interview I did recently with two lads from the U.K about teaching in Thailand, may be of some help for this thread.

Post: #293

I just signed up to be conversation partner for these Japanese girls that will be visiting my school. Any advice on teaching and gaming them?

Post: #294

I am in Thailand now and debating what to do. I have spoken to a few forum members who have been very helpful. I HATE public speaking though and I no have a degree. My friend told me about conversational English teaching he does, classes of only like 15 or less adults. I may check that out as conversational English is a perfect fit for me. TS get over to Thailand this winter. Very different from SA, but I think you'll like Asia.

Post: #295

(08-13-2014 12:48 PM)Kdog Wrote:  I am in Thailand now and debating what to do. I have spoken to a few forum members who have been very helpful. I HATE public speaking though and I no have a degree. My friend told me about conversational English teaching he does, classes of only like 15 or less adults. I may check that out as conversational English is a perfect fit for me. TS get over to Thailand this winter. Very different from SA, but I think you'll like Asia.

December Hombre. If I could teach in Thailand with just a CELTA I would be there without a doubt... Too young to fake a degree!!

I think I'll be in Cambodia, in December. Finances will be on lock for a while don't think I'll be able to make it Thailand right off the bat. So you're thinking of staying? Look for work and start beatin up the pussy up online trying to get an income maybe you'll be able to scrape by for a while?

Post: #296

(08-13-2014 12:48 PM)Kdog Wrote:  I am in Thailand now and debating what to do. I have spoken to a few forum members who have been very helpful. I HATE public speaking though and I no have a degree. My friend told me about conversational English teaching he does, classes of only like 15 or less adults. I may check that out as conversational English is a perfect fit for me. TS get over to Thailand this winter. Very different from SA, but I think you'll like Asia.

what's your current situation if you don't mind me asking.

Post: #297

What do you mean? Financial wise or plan wise?
Finances I am fine though I wouldn't mind some income coming in to make this less of a holiday and more a long term thing. I am debating going back to Alberta Canada to work again as it's great money and future. But I really like the lifestyle here so I'm just at a crossroad. As well as I've just come off a tourist visa and with the new visa laws it could be a pain in the ass.

Post: #298

(08-14-2014 02:13 AM)Kdog Wrote:  What do you mean? Financial wise or plan wise?
Finances I am fine though I wouldn't mind some income coming in to make this less of a holiday and more a long term thing. I am debating going back to Alberta Canada to work again as it's great money and future. But I really like the lifestyle here so I'm just at a crossroad. As well as I've just come off a tourist visa and with the new visa laws it could be a pain in the ass.

Well without a degree it will be hard to find a job that will grant you a WP. If you work illegally and get caught, you will obv get deported and perhaps black listed for X amount of time. There's always odd jobs going on Craiglist, my friend who already has a job looks their often, and has found some legit teaching gigs. I scored a modelling gig a few years back, the gave me $400, paid flights, hotel etc from CL lol. A lot of dodgy crap on there too.

If you have any skills like writing/desgin etc you can join sites like freelancer and look for work, but I guess you already know that.

Post: #299

(08-12-2014 04:49 PM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  I might fly to Hanoi or take a bus to Phnom Penh next week. I can't find any jobs central to Ho Chi Minh City. They are all 20-30 minutes outside the city center or don't pay well enough.

Hey, how'd everything work out? I actually have a flight booked to HCMC in ten days, I was hoping to spend a year teaching there. Do you have a Celta/TEFL or just degree?

I've been emailing different schools, but it seems like you really need to be in the city to get anything done. Most schools have just said to set up an interview once I'm in town. I have a similar backup plan to you, I figured if it didn't work out I could hang out in Cambodia for a few months before heading off to South Korea, where I was able to get a lot of job offers online. Anyways, best of luck!

As a general question, does anyone have any experience with fake Celta/TEFL certificates? I have a degree and a few years of tutoring/teaching experience, but most ads request a certificate. I'm not really interested in dropping $1000+ for a job I might just have for a year, so I'd love any tips on getting around that.

Post: #300

(08-15-2014 12:10 AM)Hedonistic Traveler Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 04:49 PM)Sweet Pea Wrote:  I might fly to Hanoi or take a bus to Phnom Penh next week. I can't find any jobs central to Ho Chi Minh City. They are all 20-30 minutes outside the city center or don't pay well enough.

Hey, how'd everything work out? I actually have a flight booked to HCMC in ten days, I was hoping to spend a year teaching there. Do you have a Celta/TEFL or just degree?

I've been emailing different schools, but it seems like you really need to be in the city to get anything done. Most schools have just said to set up an interview once I'm in town. I have a similar backup plan to you, I figured if it didn't work out I could hang out in Cambodia for a few months before heading off to South Korea, where I was able to get a lot of job offers online. Anyways, best of luck!

As a general question, does anyone have any experience with fake Celta/TEFL certificates? I have a degree and a few years of tutoring/teaching experience, but most ads request a certificate. I'm not really interested in dropping $1000+ for a job I might just have for a year, so I'd love any tips on getting around that.

I have two interviews on Monday for part-time positions that I am really keen on. I did half of a 120-hour online TEFL. and edited it to say 120 hours and removed the "online" part. Technically you do need a TEFL for a work permit, but I think there are ways around it. You NEED a CELTA or a Trinity TESOL to work for the major international schools here. As long as you have a background check and degree notarized, authenticated and translated through the proper channels, you should be set.

I've noticed that many of the job postings here in Vietnam are for agencies who simply recruit for public schools. What's to stop me from going door to door and speaking with the schools directly? Does anyone have experience with this?