Post: #51

(10-21-2011 08:11 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Who said that they can? They would not make a request of such, since under international law, child support is not an offense to be extradited for. NO government extradites for child support. However,my point was, they want payment, as opposed to throwing you in jail.

You said "extradited". Do you mean "jailed"? But they cannot do it if you're abroad and not going to Colombia.

Quote:Apparently you didn't understand that if the issue is pressed, the state where you reside, can, and will, enforce the law to incarcerate you in the event you refuse to pay regardless of whether the child was born here or not.

I don't think so. Even in US (CA) for the kids born here out of wedlock a mother has to get the paternity test to force the father to pay, unless the father admits voluntarily it is his kid. And the state is not going to collect this kind of evidence for a foreign chick.

Quote:As far as DNA, I suggest you read my post again, if she were a smart girl, and knew Mixx had tons of cash, this is not hard to get him to submit to this, via a request from the Embassy in Bogota, to the state department.

AFAIK this is a voluntary request, and in the US you can refuse the DNA test. And without the DNA test the embassy will not even process the child support case. Otherwise they'd be flooded by the girls claiming support from every American they met even if they didn't sleep with them.

Post: #52

Ok. It looks like Oldnemesis makes some very valid points.

1. The girl must be smart enough to go make the request in Bogota. This means time off work, travel money, hotel stay if she does not live in Bogota. This is assuming you were dumb enough to tell her you are Anerican instead of EU or Canadian or French! Let her go on a wild goose chase!

2. You can refuse the VOLUNTARY DNA test if for some stupid reason you told her everything about you!!

I already prepared my attorney in Miami and Medellin.

She can't get to me if she has malicious intent 'cuz cash moves everything around me!

I doubt this will be an issue. I told her illl buy her an iPhone 4 for xmas! =)



Mixx

Post: #53

Here is the US Embassy in Bogota's webpage on this very subject:

http://bogota.usembassy.gov/child_support.html

Post: #54

Joehoya!! THANK YOU!!!

It is clear women in Colombia are not protected by US Embassy for child support matters!

It would take a LOT of money for her to chase you including traveling to America, Canada or Europe if she can get a visa that is.


I think the best a Colombian girl can do If she decides to have a child with an American is to be nice to him abd get money out of him the old fashioned way.....fuck him good!!

Mixx

Post: #55

Mixx,

I didn't read through all of the posts, but how much personal did you post on here? I am not saying that anyone on here may, but you never know if some Colombian newbie or any other dude will want to play "Captain Save".

Post: #56

Mixx, doesn't your apartamento have a flight of stairs? Just sayin'.

Post: #57

The thing to remember is that she has MUCH more power if you are still in the country. If she gets a legal order in Colombia courts demanding child support, DAS (Colombian federal police) can prevent you from leaving the country. Now, if you get out of the country before she gets the legal order OR can get out of the country under the nose of DAS (through an overland or overwater approach, as opposed to going to one of Colombia's 5 international airports), then she is pretty much screwed.

All of the guys that I know that were caught up in this were stopped at the airport when they tried to leave the country (Costa Rica and Dominican Republic). IIRC, if they wanted to leave they had to pay some kind of fee/bond/retainer that was large enough to protect the mom if they didn't return (the numbers $4K and $10K sticks in my head, but I couldn't swear to them). Keep in mind, the specific cases I am talking about were in Costa Rica and Colombia. I don't know what DAS would do other than prevent you from leaving.

The downside to paying bail to leave the country (aside from the thousands of dollars) is that they would then have all of your pertinent U.S. residential info. If the chica was REALLY smart she could send that info to a willing attorney in your state and he could pursue the case on a contingency fee basis. However, most chicas won't know to do all of that.

Post: #58

(10-22-2011 11:09 AM)joehoya Wrote:  The thing to remember is that she has MUCH more power if you are still in the country. If she gets a legal order in Colombia courts demanding child support, DAS (Colombian federal police) can prevent you from leaving the country. Now, if you get out of the country before she gets the legal order OR can get out of the country under the nose of DAS (through an overland or overwater approach, as opposed to going to one of Colombia's 5 international airports), then she is pretty much screwed.

All of the guys that I know that were caught up in this were stopped at the airport when they tried to leave the country (Costa Rica and Dominican Republic). IIRC, if they wanted to leave they had to pay some kind of fee/bond/retainer that was large enough to protect the mom if they didn't return (the numbers $4K and $10K sticks in my head, but I couldn't swear to them). Keep in mind, the specific cases I am talking about were in Costa Rica and Colombia. I don't know what DAS would do other than prevent you from leaving.

The downside to paying bail to leave the country (aside from the thousands of dollars) is that they would then have all of your pertinent U.S. residential info. If the chica was REALLY smart she could send that info to a willing attorney in your state and he could pursue the case on a contingency fee basis. However, most chicas won't know to do all of that.

Hey Joe,

My cousin had this same thing happen to him in Colombia. She( the pregnant woman) had an attorney , and they processed the paperwork while he was in the states. The Embassy referred the case to the Dept. of health and human services here in the U.S., then he had to take a deposition at the office. Pursuant to the deposition, he was required to take a blood test and that was sent back to Bogota. Upon his DNA confirming he was the father, the Dept of health and human services then referred the case to the state where he resides and gave him two options. Under Colombian law as I mentioned in my previous post, he could pay what the customary amount would be based upon where the mother was living or what it would take to raise the child in that particular city. You don't have to be in Colombia to be prosecuted. If you have money and she has a good attorney your pretty much screwed if she wishes to pursue it.

Post: #59

Again, I am kind of referring to my earlier post...

Are you guys telling these chicks your REAL government name? Is the legal staff in these countries taking the information of where you were staying/living and tracing the information back?...provided that is what the girl told them.

Post: #60

(10-22-2011 11:26 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Again, I am kind of referring to my earlier post...

Are you guys telling these chicks your REAL government name? Is the legal staff in these countries taking the information of where you were staying/living and tracing the information back?...provided that is what the girl told them.

Well that would be the question. It would be quite odd if you were fucking a chick for some time and she didn't know your real name. I'm pretty sure after a while she would question why she keeps calling you "MIXX" whenever she speaks to you. Now, if you are there for 7 days, and would never fuck/see the chick again after you leave,sure you can get away with that.

Does anyone not remember the story of Mick Jagger? It was a one night stand I believe, and he refused to accept that the child was his, so she pursued him legally even though he doesn't live in Brazil or the U.S.. Guess what he is doing now? It is rare, but if you have a smart woman, a hawkish attorney, and they both know you are loaded, you will pay.

Post: #61

Remembers me of Boris Becker's story.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/20-...1/38926-0/

Post: #62

(10-22-2011 11:53 AM)Donald Duck Wrote:  Remembers me of Boris Becker's story.

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/20-...1/38926-0/

Are you talking about the russian bitch or the black bitch? Both set his ass up real good.

Post: #63

Haha!

She only knows me as Mixx. Seriously. Then I gave get a fake name, abd told her I was Mexican.

Like I said, I'm no longer worried, she gas been very mature and almost apologizing to me for getting pregnant.

Mixx

Post: #64

(10-22-2011 10:45 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Mixx,

I didn't read through all of the posts, but how much personal did you post on here? I am not saying that anyone on here may, but you never know if some Colombian newbie or any other dude will want to play "Captain Save".

None. Second, nobody here knows the girl.

Mixx

Post: #65

If one has assets that are above average, and you're going over seas to fuck ,I would recommend the following if you intend on throwing a bitch/keeping a bitch, off the "scent trail"

1. Fake names are a must(Make sure it's something you yourself remember) .
2. Try not to stay in hotels, where you passport is kept on record.
3. Use cash at all times to pay.
4. Never give her an e-mail address that you regularly use, or do business with.
5. Buy a cheap "burner" phone if you decide to communicate with her prior and after your trip.
6. Place of your employment is none of her business. Be creative and lie.
7. She should never know where you really live, (state, city, county)
8. Lock shit up when she comes over, (passport, plane ticket, etc.) They will go thru your shit.

If all this fails, and you're caught, that would mean you hooked up with a very smart bitch with a serious agenda.

Post: #66

You describe an interesting case, could you please fill up the details (if you know, of course)?

(10-22-2011 11:21 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  My cousin had this same thing happen to him in Colombia. She( the pregnant woman) had an attorney , and they processed the paperwork while he was in the states.

So she got the attorney in the USA, correct? Probably a PI as well, as she needed to have an attorney in the state where he lives. This is already quite expensive.
Was she in US at that moment when the case was filed? There is quite al lot of paperwork involved.

Quote:The Embassy referred the case to the Dept. of health and human services here in the U.S., then he had to take a deposition at the office.

This is where I'm losing you. Deposition in the US is court-ordered procedure. This means generally there should be a case against him. So was there the case? Who filed it? Did he get the summons? Did he get an attorney?

Quote:Pursuant to the deposition, he was required to take a blood test and that was sent back to Bogota.

First, the deposition is quite expensive (up to several Ks) - again, who paid for that?
Second, how he was required? Court order? Did he challenge it?
Third, BLOOD test???? I don't know a single DNA test which uses blood test, they all use cheek swab. Are you sure it was blood test?

Quote:Upon his DNA confirming he was the father, the Dept of health and human services then referred the case to the state where he resides and gave him two options.

Something is wrong here.
If he was sued, how the case was "referred" to the state?
If he wasn't sued, how the deposition and DNA test got through?
If she is not the resident of the state, how does the state have authority to collect child support for a non-resident parent?

Quote:Under Colombian law as I mentioned in my previous post, he could pay what the customary amount would be based upon where the mother was living or what it would take to raise the child in that particular city.

Something is really wrong here.
If he is sued in US in the specific state, how the Colombian law matters at all? Since when US courts started enforcing Colombian laws on the US territory?

So the main question should probably be - was he ever sued? If so, by whom?

And the main problem in the described scenario is that it involves a lot of money (assuming the father is not cooperative). So the chick would probably have to spend around $50K of her own money on lawyers, depositions, court costs, PIs, various fees, DNA tests - without any guarantee she'd ever see any cent from him. And no attorney would get this case on contingency basis unless she already has ironclad evidence he is a dad, and the dude is very rich. No lawyer is interested to waste six months on this case to get $300 a month for the next 18 years.

Post: #67

(10-22-2011 02:15 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  If one has assets that are above average, and you're going over seas to fuck ,I would recommend the following if you intend on throwing a bitch/keeping a bitch, off the "scent trail"

Could a chick just slip a bribe to a DAS cop who'd visit you and check your documents? I assume you cannot refuse to show your documents to a cop, can you? Then it all makes no sense.

Post: #68

(10-23-2011 01:06 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  You describe an interesting case, could you please fill up the details (if you know, of course)?

(10-22-2011 11:21 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  My cousin had this same thing happen to him in Colombia. She( the pregnant woman) had an attorney , and they processed the paperwork while he was in the states.

So she got the attorney in the USA, correct? Probably a PI as well, as she needed to have an attorney in the state where he lives. This is already quite expensive.
Was she in US at that moment when the case was filed? There is quite al lot of paperwork involved.

Quote:The Embassy referred the case to the Dept. of health and human services here in the U.S., then he had to take a deposition at the office.

This is where I'm losing you. Deposition in the US is court-ordered procedure. This means generally there should be a case against him. So was there the case? Who filed it? Did he get the summons? Did he get an attorney?

Quote:Pursuant to the deposition, he was required to take a blood test and that was sent back to Bogota.

First, the deposition is quite expensive (up to several Ks) - again, who paid for that?
Second, how he was required? Court order? Did he challenge it?
Third, BLOOD test???? I don't know a single DNA test which uses blood test, they all use cheek swab. Are you sure it was blood test?

Quote:Upon his DNA confirming he was the father, the Dept of health and human services then referred the case to the state where he resides and gave him two options.

Something is wrong here.
If he was sued, how the case was "referred" to the state?
If he wasn't sued, how the deposition and DNA test got through?
If she is not the resident of the state, how does the state have authority to collect child support for a non-resident parent?

Quote:Under Colombian law as I mentioned in my previous post, he could pay what the customary amount would be based upon where the mother was living or what it would take to raise the child in that particular city.

Something is really wrong here.
If he is sued in US in the specific state, how the Colombian law matters at all? Since when US courts started enforcing Colombian laws on the US territory?

So the main question should probably be - was he ever sued? If so, by whom?

And the main problem in the described scenario is that it involves a lot of money (assuming the father is not cooperative). So the chick would probably have to spend around $50K of her own money on lawyers, depositions, court costs, PIs, various fees, DNA tests - without any guarantee she'd ever see any cent from him. And no attorney would get this case on contingency basis unless she already has ironclad evidence he is a dad, and the dude is very rich. No lawyer is interested to waste six months on this case to get $300 a month for the next 18 years.

Lol, ok Old,we know how you work, so work it out. I don't think there is anything to gain form bullshitting a forum on a matter of such, but I'll answer you to the best of my knowledge.
1. We are not talking about a barrio chick, she is from strata5 , and is a professional woman from a real good family. They lived together in Colombia at the time, but were not married. (union libre)
2. She resides in Colombia to this day. The child was born in Colombia . The request was made on her behalf by her attorney to The dept. of humans services, which was referred from the request made by her attorneys when he refused to claim the child, stating infidelity. The request came directly from Colombia, and the dept. of human services chose to honor the request. He was in fact ordered to take a blood test( Paternity test) and that was sent to her attorney. Upon confirmation, he still didn't want to pay, so, her move was to have him sued here. His attorney told him that it would be better to pay for child support in Colombia ( cheap) which was more favorable than being sued and eating up legal fees, or disclosing additional information. It's not as expensive as you think to get attorneys in Colombia to do your bidding , especially if you are connected. She did have iron clad evidence, and you would be correct in assuming that he had quite a bit to lose.

Post: #69

(10-23-2011 01:12 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(10-22-2011 02:15 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  If one has assets that are above average, and you're going over seas to fuck ,I would recommend the following if you intend on throwing a bitch/keeping a bitch, off the "scent trail"

Could a chick just slip a bribe to a DAS cop who'd visit you and check your documents? I assume you cannot refuse to show your documents to a cop, can you? Then it all makes no sense.

Yes, a chick , assuming she is very smart and well connected could in fact ,bribe an official. I am assuming you're just talking about Colombia, I am talking the world in general when you travel. The guidelines that I spelled out diminishes her capacity greatly when it comes to understanding who you really are. Anything is possible. I don't seek out lawyers ,doctors, or government employees to fuck when I'm overseas (maybe you do). The probabilities of the average chick with little, to no knowledge about the system, bribing an agent, is not very high in my opinion.

Post: #70

Here's another nasty story .. An associate of mine was fucking/dating this girl from the D.R. Now, this girl had 2 cedulas, one which showed she was of age, and then her real one. He had never seen her real cedula and so the fucking began. Through the process of time,(and much fucking) she got pregnant . He refused to claim it, and then, the shit got ugly. Her father went and got an attorney and got all of the records on him. Once they understood who he was, they put in a request to the Embassy in Santo Domingo with a charge of statutory rape! How he solved the entire problem was marrying the girl with the fathers consent , everything changed, charges dropped. Who know if this was all a plot form the beginning, but it happens a lot more than one would think. Now, if you don't have a lot of money , assets, or, you are not known very well, you can rest a lot easier if you happen to knock a chick up.

Post: #71

If all else fails.

Post: #72

(10-23-2011 09:23 AM)Vicious Wrote:  If all else fails.

Is that what I think it is?

Post: #73

(10-23-2011 08:20 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Here's another nasty story .. An associate of mine was fucking/dating this girl from the D.R. Now, this girl had 2 cedulas, one which showed she was of age, and then her real one. He had never seen her real cedula and so the fucking began. Through the process of time,(and much fucking) she got pregnant . He refused to claim it, and then, the shit got ugly. Her father went and got an attorney and got all of the records on him. Once they understood who he was, they put in a request to the Embassy in Santo Domingo with a charge of statutory rape! How he solved the entire problem was marrying the girl with the fathers consent , everything changed, charges dropped. Who know if this was all a plot form the beginning, but it happens a lot more than one would think. Now, if you don't have a lot of money , assets, or, you are not known very well, you can rest a lot easier if you happen to knock a chick up.

I would say that this case was pre-meditated. Since the age-of-consent in the D.R. is 18 and many underage females still try (usually without ID), the "unwritten rule" for dudes is "if she cannot produce ID then pass her up". The young girls know this so they will use fake ID's.

Post: #74

It's over fellas....my personal buddy was there to confirm.

The MIxx saga lives on!

Game Over!

Post: #75

(10-23-2011 04:54 PM)MiXX Wrote:  It's over fellas....my personal buddy was there to confirm.

The MIxx saga lives on!

Game Over!

God deal man. Did you keep a piece of it for memory?