NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum

(Today 05:53 PM)JohannesAusPrag Wrote:  

(Today 05:49 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  A religion such as Christianity needs men like Roosh. As of now it is led by weak men with tunnel vision and no thought of their own. Like Eunuchs used for their labour they are blind and ignorant to the world.

Weak men who dont know whats out there can't fight evil, they never suspect how close it could be and they probably couldn't sniff it out. To hope they could fight it is rediculous. We've seen threads such as the inversion agenda, pedos in hollywood and the God pill threads and all of them point to one thing, evil.

I guess some men (me included) are looking within themselves and theystarted to see behind the words of wisdom long forgotten but are clearly there in texts, books or said by men throughout history.

Weak men did not lead Christianity in the West all those centuries ago.

I'm not religious(yet?) nor am I praying but I do see both sides in this. The weak men are destroying our countries and culture.

Semitic religions were, are and will always be lead by weak men, it is in their nature.

Yes indeed, only a handful of exceptions in Christianity... Cardinal Richelieu, Cardinal Mazarin, Knights Hospitaller, Knights of Templar, father Antonio Vieira, and some jesuit missionaries in the Americas who picked up weapons to fight...

Looking back at these examples one has to wonder if these guys did not just used religion as a pretext to accomplish their goals...

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Those of us who have banged over 100 girls know what a waste of time it was. Im a shell of a human, i have no soul, i simply cannot form a connection with a girl. All my 250 bangs have led me deeper and deeper into the hole. The guys that ive met on here are the same way, soul less shells, you can see it in their eyes and personality. I have legit told guys from here that they are soul less humans, ive insulted them to their faces and couldn't get them riled up. It haunted me seeing young guys with no direction or goals other than putting their penis into random holes. The player lifestyle is a road to a dark and lonely existence. Roosh is trying to save us from that. God bless you Roosh.

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(Today 06:04 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Those of us who have banged over 100 girls know what a waste of time it was. Im a shell of a human, i have no soul, i simply cannot form a connection with a girl. All my 250 bangs have led me deeper and deeper into the hole. The guys that ive met on here are the same way, soul less shells, you can see it in their eyes and personality. I have legit told guys from here that they are soul less humans, ive insulted them to their faces and couldn't get them riled up. It haunted me seeing young guys with no direction or goals other than putting their penis into random holes. The player lifestyle is a road to a dark and lonely existence. Roosh is trying to save us from that. God bless you Roosh.

Shit just got real.

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(Today 06:04 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Those of us who have banged over 100 girls know what a waste of time it was. Im a shell of a human, i have no soul, i simply cannot form a connection with a girl. All my 250 bangs have led me deeper and deeper into the hole. The guys that ive met on here are the same way, soul less shells, you can see it in their eyes and personality. I have legit told guys from here that they are soul less humans, ive insulted them to their faces and couldn't get them riled up. It haunted me seeing young guys with no direction or goals other than putting their penis into random holes. The player lifestyle is a road to a dark and lonely existence. Roosh is trying to save us from that. God bless you Roosh.

Does it really have to be a 100 bang fest vs no sex until marriage?

I think a lot of people like me are more LTR oriented, but the idea of not having sex during a monogamous relationship seems crazy to me. (Most of us young guys are not ready to be married)

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I'll probably have a lot more to say about this, but for now, I believe that there's a bit of an overreaction going on. Roosh said the following are acceptable topics:

(Today 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Things you can discuss:

-Meeting women with the intention of entering a relationship with them
-Attracting women
-Going on dates
-How to enter relationships
-Using technology to meet women
-How to maintain relationships
-Sexual activity while married

These things are related to understanding the following:

- Female nature
- Male nature
- Attraction
- Self improvement
- The effects of the culture on the aforementioned

As far as I understand it, these discussions can go on largely as they were before. All Roosh is really asking is to cut out discussion that serves to exalt the lustful, pornographic and promiscuous aspects of these topics. I do not think that this is a big deal, let alone deserving of the 7 pages of obituary writing that has been the bulk of this thread.

Roosh has not said that he is deleting anything, merely locking threads that pop up which he feels are in violation. My understanding is that all of the knowledge and discussions from the past are going to be a Search button away for those who would like to immerse themselves in the darker arts. For the self improvement, culture and politics, general redpilling, laughing at clown world, and all the rest, there are still very rich discussions and a wealth of knowledge contained in the Life/Fitness/Everything Else/Politics forums that I don't see changing. Game and Travel will change going forward for sure, but they were already stagnating. I do not believe that Roosh is trying to impose anything on anyone, but is merely "going forth and sinning no more," in accordance with his faith. I have nothing but respect for this.

So I don't see this as a descent into a censored, politically correct safe space for Christians. We'll still be able to speak as men in a manner which is not possible on 99.9% of the internet, just without posting pics of WB instathots or telling raunchy stories about the broad you banged last week. In truth, the forum has been on this trajectory for a while now, so I'm not entirely surprised.

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Some predictions about the consequences of this decision:

- I've been saying for a long-time now that the decentralised web is needed to protect the many businesses that have been censored, but I never expected free speech to be censored from within on RVF especially when free speech has been such a salient point of Roosh's in the past. This may be another spurring for people to develop a truly decentralised platform for free speech, like Steemit but with a forum UI.

- The future advice even for finding and keeping a wife will go downhill, because as current posters drop off it will become sustained by virgins who are trying to get a foothold in the dating scene to find a wife, and married men who have only ever known one lover.

- Red pill discussion on other topics will take a hit now that frank discussion of the very depths and examples of female sexuality is no longer allowed to be discussed. I wouldn't be surprised if other topics like Jews or mass immigration eventually become censored in the name of "turn the other cheek" and "protecting" men from the sins of wrath or envy. After all, no sin is greater than the others so why not lock any thread that contains these sins?

- Divorce rape will get worse because men going into marriage will be less experienced at screening and maintaining relationships, more men will be eager to marry to finally fulfill their sexual urges and because marriage is still being promoted as the ultimate good despite the perverse modern incentives for women to divorce.


It's your house Roosh and I wish you all the best in your journey, but I still have to call out that in the name of protecting men from the metaphysical consequences of sin there are some very real physical consequences that as a result are likely to harm or limit men instead.

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(Today 01:55 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Completely agree Roosh, this forum should be about helping men make families and long lasting REAL relationships, not the one night stands with degenerate souls like the establishment wants us to. I salute you for taking a stand in this forum and steering lost souls into family, the only way to true happiness for a man.

This guy is a troll...just recently:

(10-10-2018 05:01 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Guys I may have a bit of a problem, the bathroom stall girl I barebacked texted me 7 days after I fucked her and asked if I really had a vasectomy, I lied to her the night we fucked and said I have a vas. I told her yes and asked why she asked, she just said "no reason". Well yesterday I got another text from her and She said shes getting scared cuz she hasn't got her period and said I'm the only guys shes fucked since. I assured her I had a vas so she said it might be something else then. Is there a way she can find out who I am if I change my number? She only knows my first name and she lives in mexico plus shes not really smart nor has money, she works as a waitress and likely high school drop out. I want to be able to disappear if this bitch is actually pregnant so I don't get fucked over with child support or some shit. Is abortion legal in mexico?

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(Today 06:04 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Those of us who have banged over 100 girls know what a waste of time it was. Im a shell of a human, i have no soul, i simply cannot form a connection with a girl. All my 250 bangs have led me deeper and deeper into the hole. The guys that ive met on here are the same way, soul less shells, you can see it in their eyes and personality. I have legit told guys from here that they are soul less humans, ive insulted them to their faces and couldn't get them riled up. It haunted me seeing young guys with no direction or goals other than putting their penis into random holes. The player lifestyle is a road to a dark and lonely existence. Roosh is trying to save us from that. God bless you Roosh.

Quote:Out of my 250 lays, I regret 249 of them. It took me 34 years to realize i only needed 1 to be happy. Its places like this that convinced me otherwise and now im a 34yr old, childless, family less, soul less shell of a human.

You've barely touched this forum and I hardly doubt you've actually even met anyone here based on your posts let alone 250 lays.

EDIT: el-JJ beat me to it

Yet you're screaming at us like you're some barren post wall women with 15 cats.

Give it a rest, you aren't holier than thou, you aren't saving us.

God can you lead you to holy water, but he can't force you to drink.

If you can't connect with women that's a personal problem not a forum problem, so speak for yourself.

Plenty of guys here settle down with a good woman after having their fun.

What Roosh is doing, is discovering a new part of his life, if people want to join him on his journey great.

But don't try and use leftists tactics by trying to shame us and paint us with a broad brush, that shit won't fly here.

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I came to the forum and Roosh 5 years ago, fresh out of a multi-year relationship with a girl who cheated on me repeatedly with a man more than double her age. She was the only girl I had ever slept with. I didn't have the slightest clue of how to meet women, whether for casual sex or for a relationship. My "game" consisted of either hanging around a girl hoping that she would be nice enough to grant me a date, or getting belligerently drunk and trying to grind up behind girls on the dance floor.

Once I read "Bang" and subsequently discovered the forum, my eyes were opened. I must've spent 6 hours a day for the first week or two just browsing through all of the threads and the multiple pillars of advice scattered throughout.

I am not exaggerating that this discovery changed my life. Today, as I enter my late 20s, I am a self-confident man who feels infinitely more comfortable around women and how to handle them. I desire to have a family one day, and these past five years have given me many of the tools necessary to find a woman who would be a solid life partner (which, as we all know, is relatively-to-very difficult in this day and age).

This would not have been possible without developing my game through meeting, seeing, and having sex with different women. There is no better way to learn than through experience. And I agree with many others that it is disappointing that a young man similar to me who has just found this forum on Google today won't get the chance to learn with the guidance that I did.

Roosh, I will always be thankful to you for creating a space where men can freely discuss things that would not be possible anywhere else, and for writing a piece of work that gave me the guidance to improve my life beyond what I thought was possible. I will try to participate on the forum going forward in obedience of all of the rules, but this is definitely the end of an era. I wish you the best.

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Will the forum be renamed the Jonesing for Roosh forum?

I've read this forum for years before registering and the real talk always made me laugh and think in the best way possible, I pray (pun intended of you want), that the forum doesn't make me stop laughing.

Also be wary of Roman Catholicism Roosh and Christianity in general, I grew up immersed in RC (more so than many my age) for 2 decades and I know you want to jump in headfirst and have done so with zeal, but there are so many real world weaknesses in it that may blind you too. There is a very real chance a while down the line you take a far more tempered view of it.

The thing I liked about the forum is that it could hold many views in its mind without picking either.

Also you'll find most of the church is unbelieveably, emphatically blue pilled, I love E Michael Jones, I think he is a genuine genius in fact and if he were a local priest I'd be in the front pew every Sunday with a notebook, but the fact of the matter is he is an absolute rarity and unicorn and many, even most Catholics (and priests) would express exceptional indignation for the topics he talks about (in public anyway), to them he'd a bible thumper and they would consider themselves the "real caring loving catholics", these fools won't win any culture war if they keep carrying on the way they are.

Go to the Catholicism subreddit and type in in his name, its not often good what I see, and these are the Catholics who are really into discovering their faith.

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(Today 06:04 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  Those of us who have banged over 100 girls know what a waste of time it was. Im a shell of a human, i have no soul, i simply cannot form a connection with a girl. All my 250 bangs have led me deeper and deeper into the hole. The guys that ive met on here are the same way, soul less shells, you can see it in their eyes and personality. I have legit told guys from here that they are soul less humans, ive insulted them to their faces and couldn't get them riled up. It haunted me seeing young guys with no direction or goals other than putting their penis into random holes. The player lifestyle is a road to a dark and lonely existence. Roosh is trying to save us from that. God bless you Roosh.

No, you're really just speaking for yourself here. Like everything else in life you can't assume everyone else have the same emotional responses you do to broadly similar "achievements" (eg. sleeping with a high number of women) and experiences.

Not all of us become depressed "shells of a human" by frequently indulging in activities we enjoy. Or for that matter by not believing in a god. Like most people many of us probably have doubts, concerns, ideas, aspirations, but depression and loneliness is not a given just by virtue (no pun intended I think) of being atheists who enjoy sex with a lot of women.

Not everyone is cut out for similar lifestyles. I'm quite sure living the life of a devout Christian for instance, wouldn't be for me (assuming I could be compelled to believe in what I consider fairy tales - even if they were fairy tales useful for building and structuring societies - which I probably cannot). That might actually make me a bit depressed.
I might get married and have kids some day - or I may not. But I don't think having had sex with over a hundred women is going to be the deciding factor in that, and certainly not in my general happiness.

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(Today 06:55 PM)MikeS Wrote:  I'm quite sure living the life of a devout Christian for instance, wouldn't be for me (assuming I could be compelled to believe in what I consider fairy tales - even if they were fairy tales useful for building and structuring societies - which I probably cannot). That might actually make me a bit depressed.

The worst thing for my emotional well-being was when I started smoking.

It was really unexpected, but as soon as I walked back out of the church, it stopped.

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Aside from the profanity this doesn't really affect me given I post primarily in EE, but this is still a terrible idea. Most of this has already been said but I want to get my rant out:

1. Young guys are going to have zero interest in a Jesus forum. I understand that the older guys are settling down and coming to terms with their youthful catting around as a negative, but consider the alternative. Either being an incel or marrying young and getting divorce raped by one of the whores that women are today. But not only are you encouraging young men to place a bad bet, you're offering a payout that young guys aren't interested in. Christian groups already go to colleges in their sweater vests to try to rap with the kids about Jesus and entice them into a life of not having sex or using cuss words, and surprisingly they don't get very far. The red pill works by having a guy go look for dating advice, learning AWALT, and then finding the red pill.

2. Everyone who is nonreligious or at least doesn't make religion the central focus of their lives is going to be completely turned off. Having religious threads is perfectly fine, but reading the God thread as a nonbeliever it mostly comes across as a bunch of bible passages being traded along with a big pile of woo-woo nonsense talk. Once the entire forum is like that every subject is going to be how praying or asking Jesus will solve every problem. I've known people like this in real life, I remember an ex-gf's father in all seriousness telling me all about how he learned to play the piano by asking God. My response that it didn't work for Salieri went over his head, but I did give it a shot. I didn't spontaneously become a better pianist but I did get diarrhea so that might have been a sign.

3. This is one of the few forums where people have been (up until now) generally able to speak freely while still maintaining a level of civility. I'm sure there are plenty of religious forums that already exist, but killing this forum basically leaves everyone not into it going to 4chan type forums where it's nothing but 13 year olds calling each other faggots.

4. How is Christianity even remotely a solution to the problem of modern masculinity? The beta religious guys like to insist they're the manliest men of all and totally not domesticated because their wife makes a kabuki show of deferring to them but fundamentally they still act as pack mules for entitled women. You're the macho breadwinner because your wife can stay at home and raise the kids? Good trade, you work 60 hours a week and she gets to play with the kids all day. I remember back in my World of Warcraft days there were plenty of stay at home moms in full raid gear. For un-established young guys it's even worse: can you honestly look at a clean shaven mormon boy in his little button-up shirt politely asking you to refrain from using The Lord's name in vain and say "Yeah, that guy is cool. I wish I could be like him." Furthermore while the Orthodox church may be un-pozzed, given the current female domination and male-bashing that's vogue in Protestant denominations, and given that the Pope is a communist and the Catholics still haven't dealt with the kiddie-diddling, how is this a good option for most American men?


I'll probably just end up drifting away from this forum as it shifts to tradcon-only, but I've enjoyed it for many years and its loss is a real disappointment.

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I'm very cynical and doubt I'll ever found someone worth marriage but I have decided to attend a few churches in the upcoming months and give this a shot.
Maybe I'll deliver a datasheet over the best churces in the city haha, probably not though.

But lets try something different!

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(Today 06:59 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  4. How is Christianity even remotely a solution to the problem of modern masculinity? The beta religious guys...

Christianity is inherently patriarchal. The man rules the house and everyone under it. So, it's exactly the solution.

Beta religious guys are holding on to a semblance of Christianity, but it isn't the real thing. Some would hold it's the long-prophesied false church.

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By coincidence, or being of a similar age, I've come to similar conclusions as Roosh.

It all becomes so empty and the more black pills I've swallowed as to the reality of (((reality))) the more I see having a large white family as an absolute duty, both to myself and all my forefathers.

I've left it pretty late and can think of no girl I would marry. I've met genuinely good girls on my travels but I can't mate with someone of a different race and culture, it would go against all my newly appreciated principles and would play right into ((their))) hands. I'm not looking down on those girls and their cultures, but they are not mine. Sadly though, my culture, being from the West, is in diabolical shape and finding a girl from my own tribe who isn't corrupted, will be nigh on impossible I feel.

What a situation we find ourselves in!

Over the last year or so I found myself listening first to Brother Nathanael, the Jew turned Orthodox Christian, and more recently, like everyone else, began listening to E Michael Jones and of course Nicholas J Fuentes who is himself Catholic.

So my world has been filled with religious people and I found myself really relating to what they said.

The problem is... I just don't believe in a God the same way they do, as if there is some man sitting up there in judgement, and there is a rhyme and reason for everything. At the same time, we have some very real enemies who DO absolutely believe the world and universe is built like that, and rightly or wrongly, it makes them strong and unified and us, weak.

I too feel a need to cleanse myself, to be "reborn" but... I think organized religion, although helpful to many, is too much of an easy answer. "Mine is right, yours is wrong" - I can't get behind that, the universe is far more diverse and complex.

It's true that the travel section is probably partly responsible for once great Poosey Paradises being fucked up but, it was helpful to me and I visited those places so I'm just as responsible as those who went before me, we all leave footprints on the virgin sand.

Those who hate the new change now and are young, may come to a different way of seeing it years from now when they are older and start to find all the casual flings as ultimately pointless.

The West is dying - it's being killed by evil forces within and without.

We have a duty to recognize this and fight, anyway we can... I feel the days of decadence are over, certainly for me. There is an enemy at the gate and an enemy within.

Perhaps this is a good thing - we finally have a real purpose for living again... to take back what is ours and make ourselves great again.

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Nobody is saying you can't have sex before marriage. That is part of your private life. You can basically say everything you said before but just can't brag about getting laid.

If you want to understand sexual repression in America you need to read Sinclair Lewis who won a Nobel Prize writing about this very topic (e.g., Elmer Gantry). It goes way back.

I have found that the issues for casual sex vs. getting a wife are pretty much mutually exclusive. Getting a wife is a different skill set. They are better not too mix. The two types of men attract different women. When I went to Colombia looking for a wife, I found players sabotaging me, so I went out on my own.

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Ill stick around, mostly for politics and everything else. But man, recently so many big changes, with chateau gone, this forum turning, all the conservatives/new right banned from social media recently... i dont really know where to go to find non-msm infused opinions anymore...nevermind info on sex, travel and game. Maybe this truly is the end of an era.

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I suddenly want to change my username. I feel dirty. You better change yours too uncledick.

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I'm not against this but the direction should be suggested, not enforced. This is how the church lost me. A change like this should be slow, gradual and based on free choice. Unfortunately the preachers always have a too immediate and radical approach that scares many people of who given the time and free-will would also follow.

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What happens to old travel thread posts?

Can we still post about what bars/clubs are popular on what nights?

Can we talk about what kinds of things click with girls culturally in a given area vs another area - regardless of if your purpose is marriage/ltr/ons?

This kind of religious authoritatianism seems to go against the long standing spirit of this place as a refuge for those of us who are tired of moralising and PC dogma in the general public.

It’s a shame and a tragedy that roosh and his supporters don’t tolerate men needing the opportunity to have similar experiences to those that enabled them to gain the insight that lead to their current faith.

I know my life will be poorer, more sinful and dangerous without this forums guidance, especially when I travel and meeting foreign women as I will continue to do so. I also think that I’ll have a harder time finding a wife that suits a more traditional lifestyle and nuclear family when the time comes.

Moralising totalitarian bs.

For shame.

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(Today 04:43 PM)TutorGuina Wrote:  Has someone archived this forum already?

Archive.org wayback machine has it covered.

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