Post: #26

I've had a few shouting matches with my dad and older brother about my "extreme" views, but we always ended it amicably and moved on to dessert.

Unless someone in your family is literally ruining your life or undermining your career for politics, it's not worth fighting over or losing those relationships, and I hope to God I never have to be in that position.

With friends it is a bit different - most people who are very opposed to my opinions will self-select themselves out of my life with no major drama and relationships will change over time.

Post: #27

(Today 04:43 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(Today 04:30 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  All I will say to that is that when we were kids in the Uk in the 80s everyone got measles or chicken pox. Adults in my house got shingles.
In those days there were things like regular outbreaks of lice in schools.

When I did fund raising in recent years for vaccination against Polio Whooping Cough TB and I spoke to an anti-vaccine truther I just thought that they were a bit weird and irresponsible or just like 9/11 truthers - obsessed with one abstract issue. Most people gave to the cause and as far as I can tell people abroad benefited.

Tuberculosis has made a big comeback in the Uk, because of Somali immigration in the main and older people who never bothered to get vaxxed because no-one around them had TB hence their risk was non existent at the time. Now they check into hospital and come out with TB.

Im all for vaccinations, I just think people need to chill out about them. There will always be the likes of Christian Scientists and other non-compliance for all manner of disorganised reasons. It will be a minority. Its not going to make a difference excommunicating these people.

Actually the case against vaccines is fully science based - it has little do with veganism or trutherism or whatever the kind of people go into it. When you start going into it, then you find a shit-ton of doctors opposing it for good reasons. Polio is a joke and was caused by pesticides like DDT, not by a virus. Also the iron-lung treatment for paralysis was wrong and they discontinued it. And Polio actually increased after the vaccine came out - more kids got paralized, so they changed the definitions of polio and thus decreased the official stats by 90%. Then they discontinued DDT which let the disease disappear as well. It is also caused by certain phosphates just like the Zika-virus is bullshit since the only women afflicted by it were living close to heavily sprayed rural areas or ingested lots of pesticides. South American officials tested it repeatedly and opposed the official WHO bullcrap about it.

Tuberculosis as well as other diseases already was disappearing not because of vaccines, but long before that - due to clean water, refrigeration, waste management, availability of good food all year long. Some diseases are appearing again in Los Angeles and San Francisco not because of lack of vaccines, but because of people shitting everywhere and garbage not getting cleaned up properly. Whopping cough never went away and is even spread by vaccines - but they don't report on that, because who cares. Measles itself was long since reputed to be an immune system boosting diseases that prevented cancer, the death rate of that disease was 1 in 1 mio. even in the 1950s in the US when many kids were still malnourished and dirt-poor. Heck - there were even countrins in the Caribbean that introduced vaccines only in the 1980s with having a zero % vaccination rate and their childhood mortality went up tremendously.

But see..

"You could be wrong/ You could be Right/ You could be Black/ You could be White.."

Neither of us really gives a shit about it, we might care about the issue, but Im not going excommunicate anyone for disagreeing with me, I mean what do I know? I don't have a gods eye view.

My kids will get vaccines and I don't believe that they will suffer much for it.

You could attack me for my views but I very much doubt you would..

Whereas people in this thread are losing relationships left right and centre owing to globalist propaganda .
Thats the tragedy.

Post: #28

One of my best friends from grad school completely cut me out of his life, even blocking me on Facebook, starting on election night of 2016, due to our political differences. We haven't spoken since then.

We both started learning game together at around the same time. In fact, that's even how we bonded in grad school - even moreso than in addition to our common grad school subject of physics. We went out to a couple clubs together, and I recognized he was using some Mystery Method tactics. I asked him about it, and then we started bonding over PUA material. I gradually drifted toward the Manosphere arena of Roissy, Roosh, etc., while he drifted toward RSD and the likes. We compared notes and continued hitting the clubs and bars together during grad school.

We did a lot of crazy shit together at the time that only guy friends do. Quite a few times, I let him crash on my couch when he needed to hide from his crazy girlfriend.

I eventually left grad school with my Masters (in part because academics has become such a toxic place for any man with even the most minor sense of masculinity), but he stayed to complete his Ph.D. We still kept in touch, and a couple years before his graduation, he got a new long-term girlfriend with a former party girl.

Something about his new relationship seemed to "domesticate" him, and he started becoming more and more left-wing. He was always fairly liberal, while I was more libertarian, but I just chalked that up to him being Hispanic and following how minority groups vote Democrat. We had a lot of politically incorrect inside jokes, yet he went hard into becoming a SJW and started disliking our jokes. He started becoming extremely vocal about global warming and climate change and how we're all going to die soon from it. And, of course, he became very anti-Trump.

We had quite a few political discussions via Facebook during the 2016 election. I tried to explain to him that Trump was just the embodiment of all the "alpha male" principles we frequently discussed back in grad school, but I couldn't get him to understand. He was blinded by his hatred of Trump, and our discussions got a lot more contentious. He also genuinely believed Hillary was going to win and made fun of me for standing by my belief that Trump would win.

He even bet me $500 on the election. He wanted to even go as high as $1000, but I was only willing to risk $500.

And then on election night, just after it was official that Trump had won - he immediately blocked me on Facebook. Not just de-friended me, but outright blocked me. I texted him a couple times, asking him what he was doing, but he never responded.

He never even paid up on our bet. If Hillary had won, I wouldn't have liked it, but I would have made good on our gentleman's agreement - which, of course, shows the differences in honor between the right and left, and that I chose the correct side.

I had a few other friends de-friend me over the 2016 election, but this one really stung because he was truly one of my best friends. I even included him by name in the dedication for my Masters thesis in grad school.

Ironically, I'm still Facebook friends with that girlfriend he got near the end of his grad school career. From her profile, it looks like they got married back in 2017. I hope he's happy.

Post: #29

(Today 04:43 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  You're fortunate Simeon.

In most of our lives it is now getting out of control and breaking up once decent friendships, families, work teams..

Yeah - though there were some break-ups - my SJW sister being one.

But we reconciled because she got surrounded by people who were ever more opposed to the immigration madness and could no longer fully support all the dogma. In addition she realized that all the family pulled away from her and that she became a horrible irrational person that got super-angry super-fast on small things.

Though - I don't press certain issues too much, because they are irrelevant and if the people don't feel too strongly about it, then so bit.

The funny part is that I have 2 MDs among my close friends and I debated of course vaccines with them. But since doctors are not educated on the topic, they know less than I do. We usually drop the subject and focus on bigger issues - like the ass of some waitress.

This used to be normal in the past. This extreme division of opinions did not bother people so much - the globalists have really managed to radicalize people so that they are willing to call SWAT teams on their families.

Orwell warned us about it and I think that this will become worse. Wait when the Chinese social-media system is in and anyone can report on you online - everything you say will enter the system and family won't mean jack-shit anymore. Only when the family is completely on board with you will you be able to trust them. But I guess that is the goal.

Post: #30

I posted a story about my sister in the forum lounge. Regardless, we’re on good terms even though she has leftist views. I’m not so petty as to break off contact with loved ones over stuff like that.

There was a good friend of mine who was really into Flat Earth and would constantly badger me about it. Now, I’m all ears for various conspiracy theories, but I don’t have the time of day for dumbass shit like Flat Earth. He would send me all types of YouTube videos as “evidence”. It went on an on, despite me telling him repeatedly that I had no interest in debating him. Eventually things came to a head and I had to cut him out of my life, though I’ll probably reach out again once he calms down.

Post: #31

(Today 04:59 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  My kids will get vaccines and I don't believe that they will suffer much for it.

You could attack me for my views but I very much doubt you would..

Whereas people in this thread are losing relationships left right and centre owing to globalist propaganda .
Thats the tragedy.

Obviously that would not affect my judgement about you at all and the thing about me - once I care for someone, then I am willing to die for that person and his stance on vaccines or even other issues are not factored into that decision.

That is exactly the issue - the people get divided over insane bullshit. Meanwhile Trump and Clinton are likely having dinner together in private while their supporters are ruining their bonds between each other.

Post: #32

(Today 05:04 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  I posted a story about my sister in the forum lounge. Regardless, we’re on good terms even though she has leftist views. I’m not so petty as to break off contact with loved ones over stuff like that.

There was a good friend of mine who was really into Flat Earth and would constantly badger me about it. Now, I’m all ears for various conspiracy theories, but I don’t have the time of day for dumbass shit like Flat Earth. He would send me all types of YouTube videos as “evidence”. It went on an on, despite me telling him repeatedly that I had no interest in debating him. Eventually things came to a head and I had to cut him out of my life, though I’ll probably reach out again once he calms down.

I reconciled with my SJW sister once she realized that she lost contact to all family members.

Though flat-earth - that is on the level of the sovereign-citizen who insists that he is not driving, but traveling and does not need a driver's license. I could not debate a flat-earther either - if he drops the subject, then fine, but it's really useless. I guess that my MD friends think of me as a flat-earther when I tell them about vaccines, but since I don't talk about it unless they want to talk about it, then we are good. I don't attempt to convince them at all. I know that I likely would not convince them even if I were an MD myself.

Post: #33

Haven't really lost any meaningful relationships, because I have a rule: Keep your politics to yourself.

If that's not going to happen, I'll be the first one to walk away.

Post: #34

I got de-friended on Facebook multiple times by "friends" in past phases of my life when I posted Return of Kings stuff there. It got so bad that I had to stop posting on Facebook and I deleted all old posts. RoK did both game posts and political posts, so I'm not sure which ones triggered people, but RoK was definitely reactive stuff back in the day. I have not had a status update on Facebook in almost 3 years.

Post: #35

I think there is a difference between breaking up relationships for stupid, petty political reasons (voted for this or that party) and doing it for more serious stuff (sodomy, abortion, satanism - as I mentioned in my earlier post), even though the two are related and we have seen a polarization based on it that leads from the petty stuff to the serious stuff.

I wouldn't break relations based on voting for a party or person alone, but I will not associate with prideful sodomites and Satanists, even if they are family. I do not believe in unconditional love. Even God's love is conditional. If He gives up on people, then obviously we should too in certain circumstances. Real love sometimes means having the people you love suffer horrible consequences for their bad decisions.

Christ said something to the effect that whoever loves his mother or father more than Him is not worthy of Him - and I understand this to mean that if your mother or father are irredeemable pieces of shit (like open sodomites or satanists) then you have to make a choice between loving them or loving the Truth (Christ). Besides, if you love your children (or anyone else for that matter) you would not expose them to sodomites or satanists.

Roosh posted a link in another thread from Henry Makow that gives many examples on how our societies have become satanic, increasingly more open about it too. This is why I said it will become more and more polarized between those who accept the satanic rule and those who do not, because no reconciliation is possible between the two ideas. So if you love the Truth, you MUST cut satanic people from your life if they refuse your help. It's tough, it's sad, but it is necessary. Otherwise they will drag you down with them.

People think that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was about those cities being about homosexuality per se - but that is not the case. It is about societies that accept it as normal and live among it without giving it another thought. Sodomites never make up more than 4% of the population. It's when everyone else accepts them as normal and is ok with their perversions that things go to shit. So you MUST cut these people off from your life and never look back, or you will turn to salt.

Post: #36

You're being foolish if you lose friends or family over politics.

Neither you nor your family nor your friends have power over what is going to happen.

Being overly passionate and obsessed over politics is a type of autism.

That said, there are some opinions which call into question a person's judgment and reliability to the extent of showing mental illness, but only on the extremes like TigerMandingo's flat earth friend.

Post: #37

^ The sad thing is when its done to us.

When we get unfriended.

No way to control that.

Post: #38

(Yesterday 07:21 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  - How do you handle a person behaving like this?

Going back to the early Trump era I had some issues with one guy in particular. A lot of the issue was that I felt compelled to make him see things that are not presented in the MSM and for him to change his positions. Also, in the spirit of the time I was goading him by ridiculing the damp rags of the left. And he would push back. It's very possible that our friendship could have come to an end.

Now I'm at a position where I don't have a stake in trying to change his mind on anything, which is actually more effective. When you want to change someone's mind the way you talk to them will aggravate them. It's a dominance game. You know better than they do. They read that directly or from subtext. Most people don't like being made to feel inferior.

You have to let them come to their own conclusions. And that's a big part of the problem here - you're talking about people who want you to believe the same as them and tell you your position makes you inferior. Again, this is dominance, which you gain nothing from.

The only way you could change it is by telling them they have to stop talking to you in a way in which they have a stake in what you believe and communicating your moral inferiority. That you're happy to talk on politics, but you have to respect that your ability to be autonomous.

I've realised that it's often pointless to try and change people's minds. They believe what they do as a way of explaining the world in relation to them.

I think the main reason why they get so angry is deeply biological. Politics is an extension of primitive survival mechanisms. The left are trying to build cushioned safe-space palaces, as that is the environment that is good for them. That's a very precarious place to want to live in and the people who want to live there are very threatened by the rigors of the world. By opposing it, you oppose their survival.

Post: #39

(Today 04:49 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  

(Today 03:57 AM)mikado Wrote:  

(Today 03:21 AM)KnjazMihailo Wrote:  I unfortunately have this kind of problem with my sister. She's been brainwashed by all this feminism and stronk empowered wahmen nonsense.

She wasn't really like this when me and her were younger. We never got along perfectly, but i remember me and my brother playing with her, with toys and stuff, when we were little.

I think it was high school that was the brainwashing factor for her. Throughout high school she just began to start arguing with my parents a lot about grades and she had some very feminist English literature teacher. It must've been the feminist teachers and the whole collective social "empowered wahmen" cult that got to her head.

Even though i still live in the same house with my sister, i literally rarely ever talk to her. Whenever i sometimes do talk when my family gets together, after a bit of casual talk, some political or interesting topic comes up where she just feels the need to shill for PC doctrines in general, even if its not feminism. I remember a few times where she was getting into an argument and trying to moralize me on why vaccines are good, Russia is evil, why denying wahmen abortion is evil, why wahmen need higher pay, how misogyny is real and etc ....

Considering this is the sum of my relations with my older sister, it almost feels like we literally don't even live in the same house at all ...

So for you, exposing vulnerable people to measles is the right thing to do?

I guess you think that the recent measles epidemic is caused BY the vaccine, instead of the Jewish travelers or the anti-vaccine people?

It's interesting that you mention "Jewish travelers".

Since anti-vaccine sentiment is being censored off the internet, governments are trying to legally enforce vaccines and the media is aggressively pro vaccine, haven't you ever thought that the "Jewish travelers" who control the media and western governments (these are provable facts) actually want people to be pro-vaccine?

I'm not going to bother saying anything further about this as it would be against the spirit of this thread and its maker. Other people seem more than eager enough to argue this out anyway ...

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2...y-vaccines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...ed-people/

You're welcome.
Orthodox Jews, if you prefer.

Not that their religion matters, in this case.

Anyway my point was made, discussing whether anti-vaccine movements are legit or no belongs to other threads.

Post: #40

Guys, please discuss the merits of vaccines somewhere else. Maybe Simeon can finally open that datasheet that he's been promising for years now

(Today 05:56 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  You're being foolish if you lose friends or family over politics.

Problem is, we're often not given a choice. Someone just starts hating you for merely existing because someone else told them it's the right thing to do, and eventually they take steps to cut you out of your life. Game over.

Or in my case regarding my aunt, it was me who eventually severed contact, but I believe I'm justified in not being around someone who has screaming meltdowns and routinely spreads vile gossip over my mere existence.

We're not exactly talking "dinner party argument that got a bit heated" type of shunning here. If that were the case, this thread would be empty.

Post: #41

The only friends I've ever lost over politics were the acquaintances who happened to be FB "friends," right after the last presidential election. Even then, I still see them in social situations now and it's never uncivil between us. Except for one really super-cucked German douchebag I never liked much anyway.

With him especially and for most of them generally, I think their de-friending had as much to do with their embarrassment about being so wrong about the last election while a crass rube like me turned out to be right. Can't have that reminder in their feed every day.

Overall, real life friendships are about much more than politics and people I cared about never left me over something so petty.

Post: #42

The EELluminated Wrote:Did people really get this alienated over politics before? Or was it perhaps even worse, with people actually killing each other in endless civil wars and what we're experiencing is just a temporary period of calm?

The LORD is a man of war. - Exodus 15:3

Our history is one of tremendous brutality and supreme struggle punctuated by brief, brilliant breaths of Peace. That is where we are now, magnanimously - an era of incredible prosperity that our Forbears prayed and wept for. Unfortunately, what is full must empty.

We are built for strife, for struggle. It is in the core of our being - it is our pentultimate nature. Even the very act of conception is a war where there is one Victor (propped up by 12, chillingly) out of millions. All other die.

We need that suffering. Those who take to it willingly grow and strive. Those who settle, who stagnate in the comfortable complacencies of modernity become mad. It is our nature, our lower nature, and all of us succumb to it.

As far as losing friends, there is one that I realized just recently.

A good friend of mine, I’ld known her for a few years, she helped me deeply when my heart was shattered. As much as she could. We would share philosophical conversation, things spiritual or political. And while she was very blue, she could see my understanding when it came to things like the wage gap or what have you. Pleasant sparring.

However one day she brought up abortion. I told her that it wasn’t something I wanted to talk about, she pressed me, and I explained why. And after that day things just... Faded. Fast.

It’s always sad, to lose a real connection. However, all things here are impermanent. When a relationship ends that is prescribed and prudent.

Post: #43

I am not a missionary. But I am tolerant.
these two treats are most important to avoid bigger clashes within family and close friends

The interaction with SJW automatically shrinks over time. I use a mix between calmly asking questions that challenge the most absurd believes and I don't ask them to meet up.

Post: #44

I haven't had any real issues with family. My dad is the patriarch and me and him make people change the subject at extended family gatherings when politics come up (almost everyone else is a MA liberal.)

My sister one time screamed at me and started crying "I can't believe my brother would support Trump!" But she's too busy being a mother now, im a good uncle and it almost never comes up.

I very rarely associate with my social circle from my youth because they brought on a couple token gays and I can't be around queer pedophiles (they were never arrested or anything but all queers are either pedophiles or pederasts) unless I'm forced to (work etc.)

In general I quickly take control of the conversation and change the subject on politics living in Massachusetts. I will never agree with shit just to get along but I have no interest in debating the shit in real life in this state, there is no point.

The one time I do is if another white man starts expressing white guilt I'll basically (kindly) tell him to stop being a fag (not in those words.,)

Post: #45

Many interesting, though sad, stories here of good forum members being shouted at, disrespected, harassed, by leftist SJWs (friends or family or colleagues).

Personally, I am quite glad to state that it's the other way round, with me. I am the one bullying and mocking Leftists in friends' or even family reunions. Well, luckily, there are almost no Leftists within my friends or family... but still, I once lost a job (that I hated anyway, a well-paid but soul-less and even somewhat nefarious job, I was looking forward to being fired and compensated) because I talked politics and jokingly harassed degenerate Leftists during lunch or pause times (we often had leftist TV shows like CNN on display in a rest room, so I was triggered indeed on my workplace).

Anyway, I am glad to realize that, all in all, I have not been downtrodden by Leftist people existing (as NPCs) around me: it's quite the other way round, thanks God I occasionally make their SJW lives miserable.

To sum it up: We should be the ones making (when opportunity arises) Leftists' lives miserable, not the other way round.

Post: #46

(Today 09:27 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Anyway, I am glad to realize that, all in all, I have not been downtrodden by Leftist people existing (as NPCs) around me: it's quite the other way round, thanks God I occasionally make their SJW lives miserable.

To sum it up: We should be the ones making (when opportunity arises) Leftists' lives miserable, not the other way round.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it applies here.

Me being a prick to my friend would have just lost me that friendship sooner. He drank down the SJW poison, and it took him. Rather than make him take it sooner, I would rather he had not taken it.

Having your family disown you or stop talking to you because they've become convinced you're a Racist, Misogynist, Bigot Nazi that supports Trump wouldn't be healed or prevented by your approach.

Post: #47

(Today 10:22 AM)Malone Wrote:  

(Today 09:27 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Anyway, I am glad to realize that, all in all, I have not been downtrodden by Leftist people existing (as NPCs) around me: it's quite the other way round, thanks God I occasionally make their SJW lives miserable.

To sum it up: We should be the ones making (when opportunity arises) Leftists' lives miserable, not the other way round.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it applies here.

Me being a prick to my friend would have just lost me that friendship sooner. He drank down the SJW poison, and it took him. Rather than make him take it sooner, I would rather he had not taken it.

Having your family disown you or stop talking to you because they've become convinced you're a Racist, Misogynist, Bigot Nazi that supports Trump wouldn't be healed or prevented by your approach.

But why would one want or need to "heal" relations with sad people who have become full-time SJWs? Grown-up people who have lost common sense and historically-approved decency, people who would support, say, adoption by Lesbians or vote spirit-cooking Clinton-Podesta?

Such people are lost, rather forever; as you said, they have gladly and blindly drunk the SJW poison, and it's 95% sure they will never heal. They'll do harm to the whole society (and the world, as they're usually massive hedonistic consumers of stupid items) for the rest of their lives.

So, f*ck these people, shan't we? Why take gloves with them? Why speak nicely to them at the dinner table? They should be the ones feeling ill at ease and too afraid to speak their (weak) mind.

Quoting you: "they've become convinced you're a Racist, Misogynist, Bigot Nazi that supports Trump".

Well, it's cute, because such ultra-SJW people, I myself am quite convinced they're Traitors, Homos, possibly Satanist Leftists that support Biden and will lead to the destruction of Civilizations. So, once again, f*ck them. They don't want my company , great, cause I don't want theirs!


^Come have dinner at GS' table, it's fun!

Post: #48

(Today 10:22 AM)Malone Wrote:  

(Today 09:27 AM)Going strong Wrote:  Anyway, I am glad to realize that, all in all, I have not been downtrodden by Leftist people existing (as NPCs) around me: it's quite the other way round, thanks God I occasionally make their SJW lives miserable.

To sum it up: We should be the ones making (when opportunity arises) Leftists' lives miserable, not the other way round.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't think it applies here.

Me being a prick to my friend would have just lost me that friendship sooner. He drank down the SJW poison, and it took him. Rather than make him take it sooner, I would rather he had not taken it.

Having your family disown you or stop talking to you because they've become convinced you're a Racist, Misogynist, Bigot Nazi that supports Trump wouldn't be healed or prevented by your approach.

It mostly depends on the family and how willing and able your family is to consider other opinions.

Generally as a rule of thumb it's highly advised to not alienate your family if there is at least some love left for each other. Family is the closest natural thing we have and all debt consolidators can tell you the reality of things - when the rubber hits the road, then it's usually the family - your own flesh and blood - who pays the debts of those in dire financial straits. Even remote family sometimes helps.

From what I know even the globalists after centuries living apart are organized into family-clan-groups. Their families are working as one in cooperation with other families with one family head speaking for them. Large family foundations of inter-generational wealthy families also work under one leadership even if they sometimes despise each other individually. They understand that this core family group is of utmost importance even if some of them do not agree with the big family plans or actions.

But of course - the NPC programming runs deep and there are countless articles telling those glorious individuals to cut off any contact with family members who support Trump, would not accept you even if you changed genders or other such crap. That is to be expected that they would be advising NPCs to lash out everywhere - so in the end to remain isolated or join the Borg collective - a collective similarly in the Soviet Union, that can quickly throw them in the gulag.

One of the hallmarks of SJWs is that they have no real friends, just current-day allies that they are willing to villify the next day if the other SJW commits even a tiny wrong-think-error.

Post: #49

(Today 08:37 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  I very rarely associate with my social circle from my youth because they brought on a couple token gays and I can't be around queer pedophiles (they were never arrested or anything but all queers are either pedophiles or pederasts) unless I'm forced to (work etc.)

In general I quickly take control of the conversation and change the subject on politics living in Massachusetts. I will never agree with shit just to get along but I have no interest in debating the shit in real life in this state, there is no point.

This made me think. The whole homosexuality is a sin thing really starts gaining some credibility when you look at the link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

- homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of sex offenses against children?

-The Journal of Sex & Married Therapy, in a study of male sex offenders against children, found that one-third of the offenders directed their sexual activity against males?

-Homosexuals comprise just two percent of the population, yet are responsible for 33% of all child sexual abuse. They offend against children at 16 times the rate of the normal population.?

I've never been comfortable around gay dudes....just on some biological reaction type shit, and I'm not a religious dude so I never came at it from that angle....but damn......the link is outrageous.

Couldn't imagine trying to sit through some brunch (yes you will be going if the glitter gang infiltrates) hearing about Brad "dating" Steve.

As for the fractured relationship thing, I'm now a Black conservative after switching around 2015. Black folks don't associate with Trump supporters.

Post: #50

(Yesterday 10:40 PM)Alpone Wrote:  Great thread. I have several examples and I'm not even that politically vocal with friends/family.

My best friend in high school and throughout college. He was the Laurel to my Hardy. He was there at every major milestone of my adolescence and early adulthood. He was always moderately liberal but he was a chill, open minded dude and didn't take politics too seriously.

Until Trump ran. I'd hear him repeat every lie mainstream media told about him and follow every "breaking news" imminent collapse of his campaign. I've always been skeptical of cable news and he would blow up when I would question any of the "facts" he would repeat after hearing them from Anderson Cooper or Maddow or Bill Mahar. I avoided heated debates with him and just laughed off the things he would repeat from Tv.

I figured after the 2016 election things would calm down. Then every conversation we had devolved into him going off on Trump or some bullshit about the Mueller investigation. I couldn't believe how many nuanced details he knew about this entire Russian conspiracy story. It was non-stop all the time I couldn't even talk about the weather anymore without hearing about Trump. I saw a happy, carefree guy who used to be hilarious turn into a dour, self-important communist within a year.

He eventually stopped responding to my texts after I made mild rebuttals to his Trump hatred. I told him a mutual friend's mother had passed away last month and didn't get a response, so I'm over it. A lifelong friendship lost because people on TV told him he should hate anyone with different opinions.

One more example - my cousin, who used to be a staunch conservative and a sensible woman. I see her once every year and noticed how much she changed during the election. During Thanksgiving one year I made a very middle-of-the-road, not-completely-hateful comment about Trump and she screamed at me that I was sexist, racist and misogynistic at the top of her lungs. She used to be very pro-America and last time I saw her she went off on George Washington for owning slaves lol. She also used to have a sense of humor but now it seems I can't joke with her at all. We still talk but much less now. I think much less of her because she gave up her healthy, traditional values to worship people on CNN who lie to her.

These two people both watched a lot of TV and that was a major factor in their ideological change. It's scary how both their personalities changed for the worse in the exact same way. It's like media companies have perfected a way to mind-fuck large segments of the population with a combination of story telling, constant "breaking news" drama, us vs. them divisions and quick, high-energy sound bytes.

The NPC meme is so real.

Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's a real thing.