Post: #51

South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

The simpsons - clever and hilarious (during it's prime)

south park - why not come into the living room and smack me in the head with a a hammer? It would be about as funny and just as subtle.

Same goes for these super hero shows my brother watches, like Arrow. All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

I don't need idealized fantasy characters to represent something to look up to, I find more down to earth characters more appealing and there's none of the above on modern TV shows.

Bring back Al Bundy and Jefferson.

Post: #52

Mr. Robot, the main character is portrayed as a guy who does not give a fuck about anybody, but from the first episode he goes into a crusades to hacks some guy because he was married and also dating a female doctor, he even fake some underage sexting against him and force him to tell the doctor the true.

Second episode he is in total captain save a hoe mode, some junky girl living in his apartment is dating some bad boy drug and gun dealer, he arrives at her apartment and find the bad boy sitting in the her living in underwear, she is locked in her bathroom and he spends time trying to open the door to find out if she is ok, after some conversation with the bad boy boyfriend he opens the door and find her in the bathtub with a scar in her face.

Same in the movie Jumper, the character has teleportation powers and has a nice life, he can just teleport to anywhere in the world, he wants some money? he just teleport to a bank safe get all the money he wants, at one part he is watching some news about flood in some part of the world and he ignores it, again, he is portrayed as a guy who does not give a fuck about anybody but himself.

But he completely goes insane when he encounters his former high school female friend working in a bar, he totally destroy his life and the life of a fellow guy with the same super power for this girl.

This is a common theme in movies, and TV shows, a guy is presented as a guy who does not care about anybody else but himself, but he destroy his life and everybody else trying to safe some girl, especially if the girl is dating some bad boy.

Post: #53

(10-27-2016 12:23 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

Wish I could like this post 10 times. Yes! David Chase of The Sopranos even said that he tried to build a show which didn't assume the audience were fucking retards who needed plot details handed to them on a platter.

Post: #54

@Latinopan

Agreed.

It goes back to the social narrative that everything we as men do in life is for the right woman. A woman's "love" is everything.

It's basically how they continue to ruin James Bond.

Not that putting your life on the line for country (or God) is much better, it serves elite interests, but at least you're not over valuing the prize.

Imagine a red pill movie in 2016. Man is chilling, runs into issue, solves issue, and he bangs any and every chick irrespective of the plot.

His happy ending is putting the cackling threesome in an uber, as he returns to his mansion to crack open a beer.

WIA

Post: #55

(10-27-2016 01:35 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 12:23 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

All the dialogue is so fucking dry, everything is delivered as exposition. I find that to be insulting to the audience's intelligence.

I don't need every little thing explained.

I can detect nuance.

Wish I could like this post 10 times. Yes! David Chase of The Sopranos even said that he tried to build a show which didn't assume the audience were fucking retards who needed plot details handed to them on a platter.

The assumption of idiot audience is a cultural thing in the arts in my experience. One time in a college production, I ask about character action involving light cue and was rebuke that I should assume the audience is stupid. This notion is also stupid in this day and age with people discussing scenes on youtube, message broads, comment sections or reddit about there favorite entertainment.

Post: #56

Johnny Sac from the Sopranos. Faithful to a fat wife and throwing a hissy fit when said fat wife is insulted.

Post: #57

(10-27-2016 02:03 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Latinopan

Agreed.

It goes back to the social narrative that everything we as men do in life is for the right woman. A woman's "love" is everything.

It's basically how they continue to ruin James Bond.

Not that putting your life on the line for country (or God) is much better, it serves elite interests, but at least you're not over valuing the prize.

Imagine a red pill movie in 2016. Man is chilling, runs into issue, solves issue, and he bangs any and every chick irrespective of the plot.

His happy ending is putting the cackling threesome in an uber, as he returns to his mansion to crack open a beer.

WIA

It also give women the illusion they can "fix" a bad boy, he just do it for the right woman.

James Bond fighting for his country is not bad when you have a sense of pride and identify in the population country, but with no go zones and Sharia courts in UK James Bond is fighting for what exactly?

Post: #58

This fucking asshole from Saving Private Ryan. He makes the climactic battle nearly unbearable as he lets his fellow men down and gets them killed.

Post: #59

(10-27-2016 02:15 PM)Meat Head Wrote:  Johnny Sac from the Sopranos. Faithful to a fat wife and throwing a hissy fit when said fat wife is insulted.

That's correct.

How about when he runs from the FBI and falls in the snow, or cries at his daughters wedding? He's a pussy.

Aloha!

Post: #60

^And Johnny Sac's allocution.

Post: #61

(10-27-2016 10:48 AM)CRR Wrote:  I Love You Man was on the other night. I've seen it before, it has it's moments.

What stuck out to me was in the main group of women there was the annoying friend who was always complaining about being single. I thought this was interesting because to me this would be an example of a beta woman, if there was such a thing.

It seems like every group of women has this friend, the one that's certainly not a circus freak nor even overweight really. But also unpleasant to be around and not as attractive or funny as her friends think she is, at least certainly not from a man's perspective. And always available.

Just watched this, funny movie.

I can't believe no one else caught this. Vince Vaughn blurts out can anyone tell me where is a pet shop at some point with no relation to the story. Shout out to Vince, belated welcome to the forum. Also in the same movie he says "thats redonkulas." Clearly a second manosphere reference.

Post: #62

(10-27-2016 12:23 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  South Park isn't funny. Hasn't been in a very long time. Watching older TV shows (the wonder years) makes it glaringly obvious how the art of subtlety is utterly foreign to modern TV and movies.

I grew up with 1970's television.

Post: #63

^funny how looking back at american programs of the 70s it seems like the beginning of social engineering. brady bunch etc.

Post: #64

James Corden is beta personified.

Post: #65

(10-15-2017 05:44 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  brady bunch etc.

"It's one world, and we all have to learn to live with each other."

Sherwood Schwartz, Brady Bunch creator. You can guess the religion and strain easily enough.

Post: #66

(10-15-2017 10:36 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 05:44 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  brady bunch etc.

"It's one world, and we all have to learn to live with each other."

Sherwood Schwartz, Brady Bunch creator. You can guess the religion and strain easily enough.

Schwartz was addicted to subterfuge. Let's not forget another one of his creations, Harper Valley PTA. A single mother, Barbara Eden, ridicules the small-town residents of Harper Valley on a weekly basis. In short, hooray for the virtuous single mother and shame on the two-parent Christian families of small-town America.

At least Schwartz gave us Gilligan's Island. That was alright, for the most part. But I'm sure if I took a closer look, I could find his slimy fingerprints throughout the series.

Post: #67

Jaime Lannister. Well he is more like an omega.

Post: #68

TV: Alan Harper from Two And A Half Men. The dude gets divorce raped twice, befriends the man fucking his ex wife, his own son doesn't respect him, acts autistic around pretty women, and acts submissive to his bitchy mom.

Movie: Forrest Gump. Dude has a severe case of oneitis. Spends his whole life white knighting and orbitting his sloot childhood girlfriend, just so she ends up dumping him with his child she hid from him right before she dies.

Post: #69

(01-06-2018 12:26 PM)TheOnceAndFutureKing Wrote:  TV: Alan Harper from Two And A Half Men. The dude gets divorce raped twice, befriends the man fucking his ex wife, his own son doesn't respect him, acts autistic around pretty women, and acts submissive to his bitchy mom.

I don't agree about Alan being beta. He only looks beta next to Charlie and their mom because the mother is a full-on shark and Charlie is a pretty alpha dude. I'd argue he's just a sleazy hustler more than anything and gets called out on it. Is it beta to get his life's finances covered by his brother?

On top of that, I'd argue he hustled hard to stay in the beach house once Ashton Kutcher's character moved in. He had a rich guy that barely knew him cover all his lifestyle expenses just because he was lonely. I'd argue if anything, Kutcher's character was the beta on that show, not Alan.

Post: #70

(10-15-2017 05:44 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  ^funny how looking back at american programs of the 70s it seems like the beginning of social engineering. brady bunch etc.

Ben Shapiro covered the whole thing pretty well in his book Primetime Propaganda

Post: #71

(10-17-2017 02:47 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  Harper Valley PTA. A single mother, Barbara Eden, ridicules the small-town residents of Harper Valley on a weekly basis.

You can always find things to complain about, but Barbara Eden running around in short-shorts is not exactly a crime against humanity.



(Now, Major Nelson was a major beta, because it seemed every episode had Jeannie innocently jumping in his lap and he just behaved like an uncomfortable virgin, even though by the end of the series they married the two off.)

As far as the Brady Bunch goes, any social-engineering that was trying to do failed. Modern society is about as far away from The Brady Bunch as it is Leave it to Beaver.

Post: #72

(01-06-2018 12:39 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 12:26 PM)TheOnceAndFutureKing Wrote:  TV: Alan Harper from Two And A Half Men. The dude gets divorce raped twice, befriends the man fucking his ex wife, his own son doesn't respect him, acts autistic around pretty women, and acts submissive to his bitchy mom.

I don't agree about Alan being beta. He only looks beta next to Charlie and their mom because the mother is a full-on shark and Charlie is a pretty alpha dude. I'd argue he's just a sleazy hustler more than anything and gets called out on it. Is it beta to get his life's finances covered by his brother?

On top of that, I'd argue he hustled hard to stay in the beach house once Ashton Kutcher's character moved in. He had a rich guy that barely knew him cover all his lifestyle expenses just because he was lonely. I'd argue if anything, Kutcher's character was the beta on that show, not Alan.

Lol there was that one season where he was with that bimbo, and he literally worked an extra job to pay all her expenses just so she ended up divorce raping and cucking him. Also a man who is codependent on others to take care of him is beta.

Post: #73

(10-15-2017 05:44 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  ^funny how looking back at american programs of the 70s it seems like the beginning of social engineering. brady bunch etc.

It started much earlier than that...

Getting women to smoke and vote in elections in the 1910s/1920s was the true beginning...

Post: #74

Barney Fife
Radar O'Reilly
Ray Barone
Les Nesman
Cliff Claven

Post: #75

(01-06-2018 06:53 PM)bbgun Wrote:  Barney Fife
Radar O'Reilly
Ray Barone
Les Nesman
Cliff Claven

Ugh I remember watching Everybody Loves Raymond when I was younger, the way that dude was pussy whipped by both his own mom and wife was insufferable to watch.