Post: #51

Montreal is OK in summer, not that bad ,with tourists , you jave just to avoid quebcers and you will be fine. Not as good as Toronto though , where you can find many many lost girls down for ONS . Again , Toronto if you dont know right spots , you can pass from a bad-HARD city to a so easy city( why the fuck you go to King street and then say Toronto is bad city) . choosing the venue is so important. ( not like MTL and Ottawa where difficulty level doesnt variy a lot ) . Thats why many people here complain about toronto and other enjoying it

Post: #52

Just spent ~10 days in Montreal

Overall:
-walkable city
-Lot's of wife material women
-Thin/healthy women
-Everything is in french
-Brunettes everywhere
-People head to the bars really late, things get going around 11:30
-Food is okay
-$8-$11cad for a gram of some good weed

Noticed most of the babes hang out at the lounges (Tiradito had some decent talent, better for a date)

Bars/Clubs:
Preferred downtown since i was solo: le confessionnal, club peopl, somewhr liqour lounge, la voute. Did check out New City Gas, place is fucking huge and hung out with some random VIP brah. Smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot at new city

Day Game:
-Mont Royal Area
-Downtown by St. Paul


Bonus: French Speaking latinas.. would not pull out

Post: #53

(03-21-2019 02:38 PM)uhriginal Wrote:  Just spent ~10 days in Montreal

Overall:
-walkable city
-Lot's of wife material women
-Thin/healthy women
-Everything is in french
-Brunettes everywhere
-People head to the bars really late, things get going around 11:30
-Food is okay
-$8-$11cad for a gram of some good weed

Noticed most of the babes hang out at the lounges (Tiradito had some decent talent, better for a date)

Bars/Clubs:
Preferred downtown since i was solo: le confessionnal, club peopl, somewhr liqour lounge, la voute. Did check out New City Gas, place is fucking huge and hung out with some random VIP brah. Smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot at new city

Day Game:
-Mont Royal Area
-Downtown by St. Paul


Bonus: French Speaking latinas.. would not pull out

any notch , ONS ...

Post: #54

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 02:38 PM)uhriginal Wrote:  Just spent ~10 days in Montreal

Overall:
-walkable city
-Lot's of wife material women
-Thin/healthy women
-Everything is in french
-Brunettes everywhere
-People head to the bars really late, things get going around 11:30
-Food is okay
-$8-$11cad for a gram of some good weed

Noticed most of the babes hang out at the lounges (Tiradito had some decent talent, better for a date)

Bars/Clubs:
Preferred downtown since i was solo: le confessionnal, club peopl, somewhr liqour lounge, la voute. Did check out New City Gas, place is fucking huge and hung out with some random VIP brah. Smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot at new city

Day Game:
-Mont Royal Area
-Downtown by St. Paul


Bonus: French Speaking latinas.. would not pull out

any notch , ONS ...

Night game: 1 notch
Day game: 0
P4P: 3 (Doesnt count)


Night game: Met a pair of girls at le confessional (Americans), bar hopped downtown, sealed the deal at my hotel (weed + more liquor close).
Day game: women are easy to talk to, but my phone didnt work, so i didnt bother getting #s

p4p were quebec girls, so i guess that's the easy way to get the flag


Also, chez paree had some decent looking strippers

Post: #55

(03-21-2019 03:18 PM)uhriginal Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 03:06 PM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(03-21-2019 02:38 PM)uhriginal Wrote:  Just spent ~10 days in Montreal

Overall:
-walkable city
-Lot's of wife material women
-Thin/healthy women
-Everything is in french
-Brunettes everywhere
-People head to the bars really late, things get going around 11:30
-Food is okay
-$8-$11cad for a gram of some good weed

Noticed most of the babes hang out at the lounges (Tiradito had some decent talent, better for a date)

Bars/Clubs:
Preferred downtown since i was solo: le confessionnal, club peopl, somewhr liqour lounge, la voute. Did check out New City Gas, place is fucking huge and hung out with some random VIP brah. Smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot at new city

Day Game:
-Mont Royal Area
-Downtown by St. Paul


Bonus: French Speaking latinas.. would not pull out

any notch , ONS ...

Night game: 1 notch
Day game: 0
P4P: 3 (Doesnt count)


Night game: Met a pair of girls at le confessional (Americans), bar hopped downtown, sealed the deal at my hotel (weed + more liquor close).
Day game: women are easy to talk to, but my phone didnt work, so i didnt bother getting #s

p4p were quebec girls, so i guess that's the easy way to get the flag


Also, chez paree had some decent looking strippers

understood . When i see an american in quebec , i am in the happiest mood ever.
i dont meet that many though

Post: #56

My Toronto experience.

So I have come back to Toronto from the states for the past few months. I have spent the majority of my life in Toronto but never gamed here before my university graduation because I was really beta. Now I have been back for the majority of the winter.

About me:
-Persian background
-27 years old
-above average height
-average looks

If you want the deep analysis keep on reading but if you want the short answer; Toronto sucks.

Night Game:
Overall Night Game in Toronto is a frozen hell. Girls are not very receptive since they are always in big groups. However if you find a receptive girl then one of her friends will try to cock block you. Nightlife is very expensive. Cover is always 20 dollars anywhere, parking can cost 10 dollars or more, and drinks are expensive and diluted. Nightlife in Toronto will hurt your wallet even if you go out only once a week. Ratios are very terrible but if you come before 11:30 you can get some luck. Although last call is 2am I would recommend leaving after 12:30 if you haven't captured anyone's attention because the place will then have become packed with Indian international students. These dudes will make every girl jaded because they dress badly, have no game and generally just harass the girls. I feel like making a national geographic video in a Toronto club. It will be a white girl dancing with her friend and a group of 10 Indian international students will form a circle around them but slowly start creeping on them. Please keep in mind I am specifically talking about international guys and not the homegrown crowd.

I would try to recommend clubs or bars that I liked but in a matter of a month it can call all change. Since all the clubs and bars are concentrated on one street heavily get ready to follow crowds of people club to club trying to find a decent place. This is another reason why the nightlife is so expensive. I have friends who work at several clubs and I try to get free cover but when the club is dead you either got to go home or pay 20 bucks for cover at another club. It is impossible to arrange free cover in every club in the downtown core. Only place I would recommend is Rebel for consistency but it goes all downhill at 1 am and it is really far in terms of logistics.

Day Game:
I have rarely tried day game because the weather has been freezing but have made a few approaches. Generally it is hard to find a public place to approach a girl because everyone just stays indoors. Heck shopping malls just contain families and you will rarely find someone approachable. Hoping that in the summer I will try to hit more outdoor venues such as concerts, patio bars or even food festivals. Toronto does have a lot of post-secondary schools but I work 9 to 5 and can’t be going around during that time to game women on campus.

Online Game:
Get ready to date way below your SMV. You must grab a girl’s attention or else your next in line to 100 other guys. I do not know if there is something in the water in Toronto but online dating here is a mess. I have compiled close to 100 numbers just from Tinder that have gone nowhere. Generally what happens is that I get a number by suggesting getting drinks the next day. I arrange for a date but 90 percent will stop responding, flake or suggest a reschedule that goes nowhere. What drives me insane is when the flake happens an hour before the meet up. Usually I try to follow plans but the girls here are rude and stupid. You might think it is because they met someone superior but most guys in Toronto do not know how to run game. I find it funny that they could not have swiped on me and kept the conversation going, say no to the drinks or just unmatch me as soon as I made a conversation topic. I do not know why they want to waste a person’s time. Heck they are even wasting their own time talking to me so I do not know what they gain from this.

Girls in general:
Like I said before the girls in Toronto are generally rude and stupid. Also they can’t notice social cues. When I am trying to game a girl they get confused on why I am talking to them (talking about day game). They actually just stay stunned and do not know how to respond. Even on dates when I am trying to do some light kino they do not know how to reciprocate feelings. And trust me I am not running bad game. I just took a girl out a few days ago who made me question if there is any hope for this city. She had nice pair of studs on so midway during our drinks date I try to go for a kiss by using my earring kiss script. Usually I compliment girl’s earring, then I go for a closer look, then I look at their eyes and then go for a kiss. This has never failed me but the girl I took literally was trying to take off her studs as I moved in, to show me them.

Also the P4P scene in Toronto has massively become larger. One trick a fellow forum member taught me for Tinder was directly gaming girls through their snaps in their bio. You add them, then send them a pic and then try to game them. This yielded many results for me but in this past month it’s all been premium snaps and hookers. I was interested and just started talking to one on how much she made. She was making close to 2 grand from one sugar daddy.

Social Circle:
I have been to long from Toronto and have no social circles except a few very close friends. However this city is actually very social circle heavy and your ethnicity will determine who you hangout with. It is hard to break into any social circle if you do not meet their race criteria.

The guys:
Why am I talking about the guys? Because even the dudes here make you sick. All the guys here are just carbon copies of Drake. Everyone tries to act like him and they all get the same beard and hairstyle. Being in my late 20s, I generally hate the younger crowd now.



I would not recommend Toronto. Currently I am in a crossroads since I have found myself a cushy government job but this city is just nightmare. But feel free to give me any suggestions.

Post: #57

(04-14-2019 09:32 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  My Toronto experience.

So I have come back to Toronto from the states for the past few months. I have spent the majority of my life in Toronto but never gamed here before my university graduation because I was really beta. Now I have been back for the majority of the winter.

About me:
-Persian background
-27 years old
-above average height
-average looks

If you want the deep analysis keep on reading but if you want the short answer; Toronto sucks.

Night Game:
Overall Night Game in Toronto is a frozen hell. Girls are not very receptive since they are always in big groups. However if you find a receptive girl then one of her friends will try to cock block you. Nightlife is very expensive. Cover is always 20 dollars anywhere, parking can cost 10 dollars or more, and drinks are expensive and diluted. Nightlife in Toronto will hurt your wallet even if you go out only once a week. Ratios are very terrible but if you come before 11:30 you can get some luck. Although last call is 2am I would recommend leaving after 12:30 if you haven't captured anyone's attention because the place will then have become packed with Indian international students. These dudes will make every girl jaded because they dress badly, have no game and generally just harass the girls. I feel like making a national geographic video in a Toronto club. It will be a white girl dancing with her friend and a group of 10 Indian international students will form a circle around them but slowly start creeping on them. Please keep in mind I am specifically talking about international guys and not the homegrown crowd.

I would try to recommend clubs or bars that I liked but in a matter of a month it can call all change. Since all the clubs and bars are concentrated on one street heavily get ready to follow crowds of people club to club trying to find a decent place. This is another reason why the nightlife is so expensive. I have friends who work at several clubs and I try to get free cover but when the club is dead you either got to go home or pay 20 bucks for cover at another club. It is impossible to arrange free cover in every club in the downtown core. Only place I would recommend is Rebel for consistency but it goes all downhill at 1 am and it is really far in terms of logistics.

Day Game:
I have rarely tried day game because the weather has been freezing but have made a few approaches. Generally it is hard to find a public place to approach a girl because everyone just stays indoors. Heck shopping malls just contain families and you will rarely find someone approachable. Hoping that in the summer I will try to hit more outdoor venues such as concerts, patio bars or even food festivals. Toronto does have a lot of post-secondary schools but I work 9 to 5 and can’t be going around during that time to game women on campus.

Online Game:
Get ready to date way below your SMV. You must grab a girl’s attention or else your next in line to 100 other guys. I do not know if there is something in the water in Toronto but online dating here is a mess. I have compiled close to 100 numbers just from Tinder that have gone nowhere. Generally what happens is that I get a number by suggesting getting drinks the next day. I arrange for a date but 90 percent will stop responding, flake or suggest a reschedule that goes nowhere. What drives me insane is when the flake happens an hour before the meet up. Usually I try to follow plans but the girls here are rude and stupid. You might think it is because they met someone superior but most guys in Toronto do not know how to run game. I find it funny that they could not have swiped on me and kept the conversation going, say no to the drinks or just unmatch me as soon as I made a conversation topic. I do not know why they want to waste a person’s time. Heck they are even wasting their own time talking to me so I do not know what they gain from this.

Girls in general:
Like I said before the girls in Toronto are generally rude and stupid. Also they can’t notice social cues. When I am trying to game a girl they get confused on why I am talking to them (talking about day game). They actually just stay stunned and do not know how to respond. Even on dates when I am trying to do some light kino they do not know how to reciprocate feelings. And trust me I am not running bad game. I just took a girl out a few days ago who made me question if there is any hope for this city. She had nice pair of studs on so midway during our drinks date I try to go for a kiss by using my earring kiss script. Usually I compliment girl’s earring, then I go for a closer look, then I look at their eyes and then go for a kiss. This has never failed me but the girl I took literally was trying to take off her studs as I moved in, to show me them.

Also the P4P scene in Toronto has massively become larger. One trick a fellow forum member taught me for Tinder was directly gaming girls through their snaps in their bio. You add them, then send them a pic and then try to game them. This yielded many results for me but in this past month it’s all been premium snaps and hookers. I was interested and just started talking to one on how much she made. She was making close to 2 grand from one sugar daddy.

Social Circle:
I have been to long from Toronto and have no social circles except a few very close friends. However this city is actually very social circle heavy and your ethnicity will determine who you hangout with. It is hard to break into any social circle if you do not meet their race criteria.

The guys:
Why am I talking about the guys? Because even the dudes here make you sick. All the guys here are just carbon copies of Drake. Everyone tries to act like him and they all get the same beard and hairstyle. Being in my late 20s, I generally hate the younger crowd now.



I would not recommend Toronto. Currently I am in a crossroads since I have found myself a cushy government job but this city is just nightmare. But feel free to give me any suggestions.

Too pessemestic IMHO

- I dont know where do you live , but unless you live in west canada or US , Yes Toronto might be bad . Girls in US are usually easier than Canadians ( less sociale circle - less cockblock mentality ...) but beleive me you will see this in all major citcies in the east of canada .

Can you sit the places you went to (i mean for the nightlife) , because Toronto as i said before can turn from too hard to too easy changing the venue.

Post: #58

(04-15-2019 09:41 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  Too pessemestic IMHO

- I dont know where do you live , but unless you live in west canada or US , Yes Toronto might be bad . Girls in US are usually easier than Canadians ( less sociale circle - less cockblock mentality ...) but beleive me you will see this in all major citcies in the east of canada .

Can you sit the places you went to (i mean for the nightlife) , because Toronto as i said before can turn from too hard to too easy changing the venue.

Well I am trying to be optimistic for the warm weather. Generally I have hit all the clubs in King west. Hit all the clubs on pearl street. Even went to venues like Sneaky Dees or dance cave. Dont know what other venues to hit other than clubs. Did go to some bars like the Madison or similar college bars like the Lab but either it would be girls getting to jaded getting hit on (e.g Madison) or just a crappy place (e.g the lab).

Where would you recommend?

Post: #59

@Pete

You will get more options once the weather warms up and I find its easier to get dates going versus tell summer as well.

As far as girls being socially retarded this is true. You have to understand that every Toronto girl has a full phone full of dudes she hits up for different things. One dude is her dick, another is her car/ride, another is her sugar daddy, another is the guy she actually wants but can't hook, etc. This actually come easy to any Toronto girl who is young and at a bare basic level of attraction. Due to this they have no clue how to navigate social interaction from men.

Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

I've been finding that mixers or events that are not at the regular bars yield better results. I routinely crash real estate mixers and pick up real estate agents as these girls have no set schedule can be easily wooed into a bar after the mixer and then back to the crib. I also go to jams that see held in different venues or warehouses as this just brings out a different crowd (for better and for worse though) and keeps away your losers who pack your Toronto regular bars making it uncomfortable for the broads.

Also, geography is important. Toronto is becoming too expensive and is pricing our pussy from the downtown core. Girls living along King Street or Waterfront either have Daddys money, bought a preconstruction, or they are professionals with roomies and these professional girls got their dick organized just like their careers (or they have BFs or a very strong Vibrator). You'll find them out in passing at bars, but, most of these girls just go to restaurants and then go to a cocktail versus the former mentioned; a lounge on Dundas W. Is the go-to after dinner and these lounges are not easy to game in (example, Libertine is full of pussy but the layout sucks to game in). One won't find these girls after at your regular Toronto bars. Also, you find regular Toronto girls in areas a bit farther out like St Clair West.

Toronto is a grind because there isn't really a consistent way to game. You can go the whole 'Rent a condo in City place and go to Belfast Love' routine but every guy is doing this. Every typical guy offering the same thing in the same places so I still think it's advantageous to stand out.

Also, every bar has a shelf life. My favorite bar for dates has turned into a dump full of 30+ hags and just a weak older typical crowd. I used to get laid anytime I took a date there as this bar was a great vibe with live music and in less than a year it turned to shit.

Post: #60

(04-18-2019 10:44 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:41 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  Too pessemestic IMHO

- I dont know where do you live , but unless you live in west canada or US , Yes Toronto might be bad . Girls in US are usually easier than Canadians ( less sociale circle - less cockblock mentality ...) but beleive me you will see this in all major citcies in the east of canada .

Can you sit the places you went to (i mean for the nightlife) , because Toronto as i said before can turn from too hard to too easy changing the venue.

Well I am trying to be optimistic for the warm weather. Generally I have hit all the clubs in King west. Hit all the clubs on pearl street. Even went to venues like Sneaky Dees or dance cave. Dont know what other venues to hit other than clubs. Did go to some bars like the Madison or similar college bars like the Lab but either it would be girls getting to jaded getting hit on (e.g Madison) or just a crappy place (e.g the lab).

Where would you recommend?

For sure , avoid King west , worst place to be in Toronto unless probably citizen once a while. other than that king west is Montreal bis (high bitch shield)

sneaky dees , i banged once there , but its not that easy there.

hangout on ossington ,church ( somtimes queen street could be good).

You wont find east canadians girls easy if you are used to US girls . But i do find Canadians girls to look better than Americans . So better quality but more bitch shield / challenge to bang.

Post: #61

(04-23-2019 02:57 PM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 10:44 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 09:41 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  Too pessemestic IMHO

- I dont know where do you live , but unless you live in west canada or US , Yes Toronto might be bad . Girls in US are usually easier than Canadians ( less sociale circle - less cockblock mentality ...) but beleive me you will see this in all major citcies in the east of canada .

Can you sit the places you went to (i mean for the nightlife) , because Toronto as i said before can turn from too hard to too easy changing the venue.

Well I am trying to be optimistic for the warm weather. Generally I have hit all the clubs in King west. Hit all the clubs on pearl street. Even went to venues like Sneaky Dees or dance cave. Dont know what other venues to hit other than clubs. Did go to some bars like the Madison or similar college bars like the Lab but either it would be girls getting to jaded getting hit on (e.g Madison) or just a crappy place (e.g the lab).

Where would you recommend?

For sure , avoid King west , worst place to be in Toronto unless probably citizen once a while. other than that king west is Montreal bis (high bitch shield)

sneaky dees , i banged once there , but its not that easy there.

hangout on ossington ,church ( somtimes queen street could be good).

You wont find east canadians girls easy if you are used to US girls . But i do find Canadians girls to look better than Americans . So better quality but more bitch shield / challenge to bang.

alright will look into ossington and church. Thanks for the advice

Post: #62

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)kosko Wrote:  @Pete


Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

Yes finally someone else noticed this. Every bar and club is closing down

Post: #63

(04-23-2019 09:50 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)kosko Wrote:  @Pete


Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

Yes finally someone else noticed this. Every bar and club is closing down

Yes, it has been something I have been noticing for a while. Lots of these large spaces being sold off to developers as the longtime owners are cashing out. Prior to this politicians successfully killed off Clubland in the Richmond/Peter area. Next was the clampdown on Resto-Bars that started to open up on Queen/King/College West and Ossington. Next, City further clamped down and capped Club licences; the city has not issued a new club licence in years now. The final nail is now new noise restrictions as City wants to clamp down further on clubs. It has become almost impossible to open a bar downtown and thus any that are left, if they close, none are coming up to replace them. The city has been a big cockblock to bars and clubs.

Love Bathurst
Crocodile Rock
EFS

The above all be closing very soon at some point this year.

Everleigh, Spice Route, Brassai, Early Mercy, and Toybox will be closing within 2 years.

Post: #64

OP, any neighbourhood recommandation in toronto?

Post: #65

(04-23-2019 10:39 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:50 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)kosko Wrote:  @Pete


Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

Yes finally someone else noticed this. Every bar and club is closing down

Yes, it has been something I have been noticing for a while. Lots of these large spaces being sold off to developers as the longtime owners are cashing out. Prior to this politicians successfully killed off Clubland in the Richmond/Peter area. Next was the clampdown on Resto-Bars that started to open up on Queen/King/College West and Ossington. Next, City further clamped down and capped Club licences; the city has not issued a new club licence in years now. The final nail is now new noise restrictions as City wants to clamp down further on clubs. It has become almost impossible to open a bar downtown and thus any that are left, if they close, none are coming up to replace them. The city has been a big cockblock to bars and clubs.

Love Bathurst
Crocodile Rock
EFS

The above all be closing very soon at some point this year.

Everleigh, Spice Route, Brassai, Early Mercy, and Toybox will be closing within 2 years.

Hey Kosko. How do you pull in these bars in Ossington? They are very small bars and my game is bit rusty because I have become socustom to running games at clubs and a bars that are much more lively and have dance floors (generally king west places). How do you approach someone generally and when do an approach do you spend the whole night with them or do you get a number and move on?

Post: #66

(04-23-2019 10:39 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:50 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)kosko Wrote:  @Pete


Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

Yes finally someone else noticed this. Every bar and club is closing down

Yes, it has been something I have been noticing for a while. Lots of these large spaces being sold off to developers as the longtime owners are cashing out. Prior to this politicians successfully killed off Clubland in the Richmond/Peter area. Next was the clampdown on Resto-Bars that started to open up on Queen/King/College West and Ossington. Next, City further clamped down and capped Club licences; the city has not issued a new club licence in years now. The final nail is now new noise restrictions as City wants to clamp down further on clubs. It has become almost impossible to open a bar downtown and thus any that are left, if they close, none are coming up to replace them. The city has been a big cockblock to bars and clubs.

Love Bathurst
Crocodile Rock
EFS

The above all be closing very soon at some point this year.

Everleigh, Spice Route, Brassai, Early Mercy, and Toybox will be closing within 2 years.

The decline of the social scene seems to mirror the decline of the venues.

The condos will now have private social areas or exclusive clubs to keep out the undesirables. This i have seen before and predict it will only get worse.

The vision of the people that run this city is retarded, how many condos are you going to build.

Post: #67

(05-06-2019 12:46 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 10:39 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(04-23-2019 09:50 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)kosko Wrote:  @Pete


Toronto nightlife overall is a mess these days. Bars keep closing and it concentrates too many people into a handful of venues. It's hard for me to operate because I keep on running into old flames or people I don't want to mix with when I'm gaming solo.

Yes finally someone else noticed this. Every bar and club is closing down

Yes, it has been something I have been noticing for a while. Lots of these large spaces being sold off to developers as the longtime owners are cashing out. Prior to this politicians successfully killed off Clubland in the Richmond/Peter area. Next was the clampdown on Resto-Bars that started to open up on Queen/King/College West and Ossington. Next, City further clamped down and capped Club licences; the city has not issued a new club licence in years now. The final nail is now new noise restrictions as City wants to clamp down further on clubs. It has become almost impossible to open a bar downtown and thus any that are left, if they close, none are coming up to replace them. The city has been a big cockblock to bars and clubs.

Love Bathurst
Crocodile Rock
EFS

The above all be closing very soon at some point this year.

Everleigh, Spice Route, Brassai, Early Mercy, and Toybox will be closing within 2 years.

The decline of the social scene seems to mirror the decline of the venues.

The condos will now have private social areas or exclusive clubs to keep out the undesirables. This i have seen before and predict it will only get worse.

The vision of the people that run this city is retarded, how many condos are you going to build.

The politicians who run this town are all so corrupt (and a bunch of fags). They just get paid under the table by some condo developer then they rezone the land the club space is in and either forcibly evict the club out or increase the price of their club license renewal. Just so a new condo can be built in this overcrowded city.

Post: #68

OK Boys I'm a long time Toronto resident (8years) out of South West Ontario, it looks like I will be making the move to Ottawa.

Details
6'2 210 Decent shape
Late 30s
White
Former Country guy with some City skills
Live in Liberty Village
Professional Services
Game Style: Social Circle, Day Game, Gym, Tinder, Night Game retiree

I will be working in Ottawa beginning in June 2019 into 2020. I plan to get a nice furnished apartment near my work (near parliament hill).

Maybe I have lived in Toronto too long, but what is the demographic makeup of Ottawa?
- How large is the French population, are there lots of Quebecois babes there?
- Is there a latina population ? (One of my specialties as I speak Spanish)
- Any other good target markets? I Am kind of past the student thing as I'm late 30s.
- Any good neighbourhoods to hang around over the weekends? I might be up there on my own a fair bit. Perhaps someone would recommend living in a nearby neighbourhood where I can get into work pretty quickly if living around the hill sucks. ( I am just beginning some research)

Hope to be able to contribute back to the thread with a good comparison vs. Toronto in time.

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(04-14-2019 09:32 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  My Toronto experience.

So I have come back to Toronto from the states for the past few months. I have spent the majority of my life in Toronto but never gamed here before my university graduation because I was really beta. Now I have been back for the majority of the winter.

About me:
-Persian background
-27 years old
-above average height
-average looks

If you want the deep analysis keep on reading but if you want the short answer; Toronto sucks.
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Keep your head up! Toronto is a tough place to game. You have to do the standard stuff - up your standard of living, dress decent, exercise, learn game.

I lived in Smaller Ontarian Cities and always did well. I remember the first year I was in Toronto I struggled. Then funnily I went out to Kingston and was getting laid all the time. I then came back to Toronto and had some good years of banging. The girls there will bang, they are just crap for relationships which Is what I am currently looking for.

Focus on expanding your social circle, for your own sake. There are a lot of 'outsiders' in Toronto, pretty much everyone is. Im an old stock Canadian guy, but being from a small town I myself and am outsider.
People in Toronto (some) are introverted socially, but if they are new in town then will

Sign up for TSSC sports. There is co ed volleyball, different sports. For me this worked well in creating a social circle of buddies. And yes, sometimes there are hot chicks in the co-ed.

Try hitting on girls at the gym, coffee shop, grocery store. It is tough, but if they are not with their friends they are often more receptive.

You're at the age of clubs so I can't say don't do it, but consider a bar near your place (not too big) that has a good crowd, focus your energy there. Make a point of eating lunch there sometimes, grabbing a drink there, chat up the hot bartender, tip her reasonably and get to know her a bit. By being local to one place you can build a little social cred and feel comfortable and at home there with a friend, or on a date.

Post: #70

(05-15-2019 10:44 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Maybe I have lived in Toronto too long, but what is the demographic makeup of Ottawa?
- How large is the French population, are there lots of Quebecois babes there?
- Is there a latina population ? (One of my specialties as I speak Spanish)
- Any other good target markets? I Am kind of past the student thing as I'm late 30s.
- Any good neighbourhoods to hang around over the weekends? I might be up there on my own a fair bit. Perhaps someone would recommend living in a nearby neighbourhood where I can get into work pretty quickly if living around the hill sucks. ( I am just beginning some research)

I mostly lived in Ottawa until 2017.

- Demographic is roughly 75% white, 25% other. Downtown is more diverse, suburbs are more white.
- French population is a minority, but present. You can live in Ottawa without ever having to speak a word of French. If you cross the river and go into Gatineau, you can get the full Quebec experience quite easily. There are plenty of Quebecois girls to meet. Most Ottawans avoid crossing into Gatineau and view it as ghetto. They only go across for the park, cheap beer and poutine.
- There are Latinas, but they are niche. You'll have to to some research. Find out the restaurants and clubs where they congregate. I haven't looked into it.
- Target markets: The ByWard Market is mostly geared to students while Elgin Street is where the 25+ crowd is at. The area around the football stadium (Lansdowne) is another option, especially on game nights.
- Trendy neighbourhoods are: Byward Market, Centretown, Hintonburg, Westboro. Taking trips out of town to the smaller communities on the Quebec side is also nice. Wakefield, Chelsea, Alymer come to mind.

You are coming from TO so the rental market will seem reasonable. But be aware that the city is growing very fast right now and the vacancy rate is under 1%. Rents have gone up a lot. The market is extra tight. If you find a place that you like, jump on it ASAP. Have all your references, credit check, money, everything in order. Landlords are basically like a 9 on Tinder, they have endless qualified options.

I think it's likely that I will be moving back to the region this summer. I'm a few years younger than you (early 30s). Maybe we can meet up at some point.