Post: #26

(01-26-2019 05:19 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  Actually, I'd say that I would prefer a steak dinner, a bottle of aged scotch and a cigar with a good conversation with a mate over a new bang. There is only such much fun an orgasm can provide.

19 out of 20 women would prove this statement right, because most women are average in bed and forgettable afterwards. I'd even add that some massages, for me, are better than sex.

But you should be in the game to find that one girl that drives you absolutely bonkers. The one you shag for 3 straight hours with barely a pause, who gives herself over to you totally and completely. Lovers, in the purest sense of the word.

Hard to describe if you've never experienced it. I had one like that a few years ago, a 6-week mini-relationship, and in some ways it was the highlight of my romantic life thus far. She was sexual napalm. The chemistry between us was almost a physical thing.

If you find a girl like that, you probably won't be able to keep her. Nor should you. She's not wife material, nor is she ONS material. She's something different, something you'll carry with you all the way to the end.

Post: #27

No offense, but the types of guys who waste their time chasing women like a hedonist tend to lack the self discipline to invest in becoming the kind of person who can attract the top women. You're almost guaranteed wasting time on mediocre low hanging fruit if you are sleeping with hundreds of women.

For maximizing quality over quantity you're way better off investing more in your personal success and social circle than chasing. The most attractive women are inherently rare and in such high demand that they can afford to hold out for a guy who is both attractive and vouched for by social circle or the societal hierarchy in some capacity. There will almost always be a hard to break through ceiling on the quality you can reliably get without status. High status is inherently difficult and time consuming to achieve otherwise everyone would have it.

Post: #28

(01-26-2019 06:46 PM)jcardial Wrote:  No offense, but the types of guys who waste their time chasing women like a hedonist tend to lack the self discipline to invest in becoming the kind of person who can attract the top women. You're almost guaranteed wasting time on mediocre low hanging fruit if you are sleeping with hundreds of women.

For maximizing quality over quantity you're way better off investing more in your personal success and social circle than chasing. The most attractive women are inherently rare and in such high demand that they can afford to hold out for a guy who is both attractive and vouched for by social circle or the societal hierarchy in some capacity. There will almost always be a hard to break through ceiling on the quality you can reliably get without status. High status is inherently difficult and time consuming to achieve otherwise everyone would have it.

This is very true and I know. But I am messed up already, hope one day soon to stop.

Post: #29

Spin plates instead of pump and dump. Keep three or four of the ones you like the most and pump and dump the rest or upgrade your plates until you're spinning 3 or 4 8s, 9s, or dimes, then choose one for a true LTR

Post: #30

I noticed that after 20 I noticed I would stop banging girls on rotation for silly body reasons like boobs not big enough, pepperoni nipples, fat folds, stretch marks, or pointy elbows (j/p).

Tight bodies are less of a turn on and bad personality habits grate you more. A woman that cooks and cleans is infinitelyore attractive than a lazy hot bitch whose a mess.

Rocha, you're not damaged. I think you'll find a good women.

Post: #31

Apologies for the double post, but I have a messed up mini story. I'll admit, my notch count isn't as high as some here(36), but my days of spinning plates ended when this one plate who got in my head told me she was fucking another guy on the side and that she saw him like a day ago.

She did this when we were drunk, after we had angry sex, and I was mad at her. I was disgusted and just couldn't do it anymore. I cut her out after that.

For a long time, I tried getting back into gaming. But everytime I tried hooking up with a new chick, all I could see was some other dude hitting it. Almost immediately it made the whole thing really difficult. I was dating a really hot chick before my wife and I just couldn't get hard because I knew a few of her boyfriends who came before me. I wasn't close with them, but the whole thing just fucked with my head.

My wife was a virgin when we hooked up. I know this because she clearly didn't know what the hell she was doing in bed. It was like being 17 again. I'm grateful to not have that terrible demon in my head.

Moral of the story is, alcohol and crazy sluts can sink their talons into your mind at any level. Some of you have stronger minds than me.

Be careful out there.

Post: #32

I actually hit 600 lays last night. I always learn and learn a LOT even at the higher numbers. I learned a lot 400-600 because I got into swinger/sex club game. Mind blower. 250-400 was online game learning. 0-250 cold approach learning. There's always a higher level it seems.

Post: #33

(01-27-2019 03:56 PM)jacknap Wrote:  I actually hit 600 lays last night. I always learn and learn a LOT even at the higher numbers. I learned a lot 400-600 because I got into swinger/sex club game. Mind blower. 250-400 was online game learning. 0-250 cold approach learning. There's always a higher level it seems.

Jesus Christ, I thought my number was high. You've tripled me brother.

Post: #34

I still get attached too to girls. There was a girl I was sad to see go just this week. If anything it just fucks me up less but I still get the feels as hard as ever.

Post: #35

(01-26-2019 06:46 PM)jcardial Wrote:  No offense, but the types of guys who waste their time chasing women like a hedonist tend to lack the self discipline to invest in becoming the kind of person who can attract the top women. You're almost guaranteed wasting time on mediocre low hanging fruit if you are sleeping with hundreds of women.

For maximizing quality over quantity you're way better off investing more in your personal success and social circle than chasing. The most attractive women are inherently rare and in such high demand that they can afford to hold out for a guy who is both attractive and vouched for by social circle or the societal hierarchy in some capacity. There will almost always be a hard to break through ceiling on the quality you can reliably get without status. High status is inherently difficult and time consuming to achieve otherwise everyone would have it.

No offense taken. You may be of the opinion that shit gets old but to me it never does. A new quality conquest still has loads of appeal. Regarding your stance on the kind of person who can attract top women I certain can, have and will continue to do so. I've got my shit together in spades, though i haven't quite hit the 200k salary mark i am aggressively pursuing it. I'm a guy that hates wasted potential and i know enough attractive well off men with single digit body counts to use that as my motivation to keep on fucking these chicks and blessing them with the real life fantasy that is yours truly. Wasn't always this way. My quality went up as my notches went up.

Post: #36

Wrong. Post seems to be made from theory as opposed to experience.

I hit 100 in 2016, likely north of 200 (maybe even higher as I've been saying that for quite some time now).
All it has done is made my standard even higher and in fact, I now want a relationship more than back when my notch count was lower and my goal was just to bang as many woman as possible.

Back to the drawing board. Or maybe instead of theorizing and mentally jerking yourself off just go bang 100 girls yourself.

Post: #37

I'm at 50. I always said I wanted to hit 100, just because it sounds cool. Now I'm in an LTR with a super quality chick, but the new conflict is "can a long term relationship be sustained in modern times?" I don't think I'm on the marriage train, thanks to this forum and other resources I know too much and it seems like a bad deal. The goal is still in my head but cheating makes me feel terrible and paranoid, and I haven't forgotten about all the other bullshit you have to deal with when pursuing bangs. Busting a nut and then being able to lay there without wanting to swiftly vacate the premises is pretty fuckin nice.

Post: #38

(01-27-2019 04:43 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  the new conflict is "can a long term relationship be sustained in modern times?" I don't think I'm on the marriage train, thanks to this forum and other resources I know too much and it seems like a bad deal.

THIS.

Is it worth it after seeing what can happen to Jeff Bezos and other extremely high quality man?
- Not saying that I am perfect, but the current state of the world we live in is biased and favors woman.

Post: #39

(01-27-2019 04:22 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  to use that as my motivation to keep on fucking these chicks and blessing them with the real life fantasy that is yours truly

It took a little while for me, post-divorce, to see that women want me to play a certain role in dating. They don't want the genuine me; they want a fantasy. It's not a ridiculous "gallantly sweep them off their feet on a white horse" fantasy either. Instead it's a grown woman's fantasy of a hot guy with a really interesting life.

To do so, just drop a simple hint at things in your background -- and then change the subject. Women will hear you, they'll remember that comment, and they'll fill in the blanks in their heads. Women are very, very good at turning themselves on if you toss them just the right comment.

In two words: Untold backstory.

It's TMIMITW game. (The Most Interesting Man In The World Game.) Only works for us blokes over 40.

Post: #40

(01-27-2019 04:36 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  Wrong. Post seems to be made from theory as opposed to experience.

I hit 100 in 2016, likely north of 200 (maybe even higher as I've been saying that for quite some time now).
All it has done is made my standard even higher and in fact, I now want a relationship more than back when my notch count was lower and my goal was just to bang as many woman as possible.

Back to the drawing board. Or maybe instead of theorizing and mentally jerking yourself off just go bang 100 girls yourself.

Well said bro. Not to be a hater on OP but I think this is over intellectualizing because you don't want to put in the work. Trying to rationalize that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Post: #41

I'm in the low 200s and my pair bonding is non existing, but I actually embraced it and am working towards early retirement since I'm not having a wife or kids. I also plan to finally get a vasectomy this year to guarantee I dont fuck up and have a family in the future.

Post: #42

(01-28-2019 01:17 AM)Axel99 Wrote:  I'm in the low 200s and my pair bonding is non existing, but I actually embraced it and am working towards early retirement since I'm not having a wife or kids. I also plan to finally get a vasectomy this year to guarantee I dont fuck up and have a family in the future.

Freeze your sperm.

You'll thank me later.

Post: #43

(01-26-2019 06:46 PM)jcardial Wrote:  No offense, but the types of guys who waste their time chasing women like a hedonist tend to lack the self discipline to invest in becoming the kind of person who can attract the top women. You're almost guaranteed wasting time on mediocre low hanging fruit if you are sleeping with hundreds of women.

For maximizing quality over quantity you're way better off investing more in your personal success and social circle than chasing. The most attractive women are inherently rare and in such high demand that they can afford to hold out for a guy who is both attractive and vouched for by social circle or the societal hierarchy in some capacity. There will almost always be a hard to break through ceiling on the quality you can reliably get without status. High status is inherently difficult and time consuming to achieve otherwise everyone would have it.

I couldn't agree more and I'm one of those who have taken the low hanging fruit most of my life.

Looking back, out of the 50 or so I have been with, only 10 were worthwhile.

Quality trumps quantity.

Post: #44

(01-26-2019 11:55 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 04:02 AM)incel Wrote:  I think going without women does far more irreversible damage than having too much of them.

For instance, when I was 21, I was so sexually frustrated and pent up that I got into female autopsies when I was at university.

So instead of having sex with fit young girls of 18-25 years of age, I was scouring the internet for female autopsy videos and pictures.

What in the mother of fuck did I just read...

Wordd

Post: #45

(01-26-2019 12:45 AM)LatinaLova Wrote:  If your goal is to pump and dump to the 100's and have the potential for it, think twice.

A very high notch count is cool and all but it really fcks you up mentally. Too much variety bores you off EVERY girl very fast, sexually and personality wise. Even higher quality girls get boring, just takes longer.

You can't have a relationship anymore. After the first time, you start losing interest and the boner doesn't get as hard for the repeat. You keep comparing her personality to X, Y and Z and wish she had all those qualities combined.
So you are stuck in this sexual abundance state which has served its purpose long time ago and is becoming more and more meaningless with time. You gotta keep slaying but the more you do, the further you get from a potential "oneitis". The vicious cycle of slaying lol

Anyone else can relate to this?

Anyone managed to settle after a high slay count?

I can relate. Any addiction can be damaging to your mental state. Chasing the next new pussy can definitely do that as well, if it's all you think about and put your energy towards. And, yes, from behind (doggy-style), they all start looking the same after a while. However, after you've had your fun and things become easy, this is when you start questioning why and looking back at what good came out of it.

This is probably different for everyone, but for me it help identify what I value most in the opposite sex. I can easily differentiate between a girl who I value and actually enjoy seeing vs. someone I only call on for sex. I also understand women's motivations a lot more now (and can use them to my advantage) and attract/manage women better with frame control. A valuable lesson in this is women often do need men to tell them how they should behave by telling them what you like and don't like. Never leave it up to the girl to figure it out.

Like others have posted... you eventually will become pickier and begin filtering for quality over quantity with more experience (unless you're a sex addict). It's up to you when you want to settle down -- but often the timing won't be when a keeper comes along. I'm also finding now that looks aren't as important as they used to be. I'd rather spend my time with a quality 6-7 girl that turns me on and treats me well than an a selfish 8+ girl who is just drama and seeks public validation for her beauty. It may have been Roosh who said that an 8+ girl doesn't belong to you, she belongs to everyone else.

SHORT STORY: I was at the mall the other day and saw a married couple. You could tell they had money. But the guy was the one pushing the stroller and checking on the baby while his hot wife was busy looking for the perfect selfie angle -- mind you, she was 32+. I caught her doing this a few times when we crossed paths. I wanted to walk up to him and ask: Was getting a hot wife worth it? I have feeling his answer would be no.

Post: #46

Gunning for a high notch count ultimately is purely an ego based thing, where you are trying to prove something to both yourself and your peers. But still something you probably need to go through if just to get it out of your system.

Eventually you'll learn that nobody else gives 2 fucks what your notch count is, there'll always be dudes who have smashed way more birds than you (not including the liars), and generally the guys with the highest notch counts tend to be those with the lowest standards rather than the tightest game.

Post: #47

(01-26-2019 12:45 AM)LatinaLova Wrote:  You keep comparing her personality to X, Y and Z and wish she had all those qualities combined.

Some additional thoughts on this specific point...

You're 100% right. You do start comparing the qualities and physical attributes of one girl to another, which in turns becomes your ideal or perfect woman. No doubt this girl is way different than the one you first started seeking out.

Sad news: she doesn't exist. You'll be lucky to find one who is 80-90% there. Best you can do, if you have no plans of settling down, is just to spin plates with the quality girls you do find and just enjoy their company. Ideally, each plate should have something unique to offer. If you do find a 90% girl, you should seriously consider being exclusive and see where things go. Up to you.

Post: #48

Thanks for all the responses guys, read them all.

Didn't want to make this thread just about me hence the somewhat impersonal tone. The goal was to see if other's could relate to this, or not, and if some managed to get into LTR's after being addicted variety.

To answer a few questions/comments: I'm in my mid-30's and started about 6 years ago after a 8 year relationship (which took most of my 20's). Notch count around 250-300. I do have other focuses in life and doing decently well with money/status.

I'm at a point where I'd like to build something more meaningful but the need for variety is too embedded in me. Took breaks from the "hunt" for several weeks (btw I'm not a sex addict, just have high sex drive) to date higher quality girls but the feeling of boredom eventually gets me. Obviously I didn't used to be this way as evidence by the LTR.
Some are suggesting to make this more meaningful by changing my own perspective on what it is. Not a fan of anything like that. I can easily lie to others but can't to myself lol

Also one other problem I have that others may not have: the rare times I develop feelings for a girl and manage to have sex, those feelings fade off afterwards. It's like I fall for a girl's innocence, her being a "good girl", and having sex takes that away. This even happened with the LTR girl (before I got "corrupted"). Of course I was a totally different person back then and thought relationship had to be the next natural step so I didn't question it.

Man, the chase and the novelty that comes with it is exciting and all, but it really changes you. For me it happened after 80-100 I think. Then I definitely joined the dark side lol

Post: #49

(01-28-2019 08:19 AM)Irish Wrote:  Gunning for a high notch count ultimately is purely an ego based thing, where you are trying to prove something to both yourself and your peers. But still something you probably need to go through if just to get it out of your system.

Eventually you'll learn that nobody else gives 2 fucks what your notch count is, there'll always be dudes who have smashed way more birds than you (not including the liars), and generally the guys with the highest notch counts tend to be those with the lowest standards rather than the tightest game.

My notch count is pretty high, but neither my closest friends nor my most distant associates know what it is. I don't fuck these bitches for pats on the back and kudos. I genuinely enjoy being sexually intimate with a new woman as well as their company. I've learned so much from women be it how not to fuck up as they regale me with stories of goofy men they encounter or hobbies like photography, art...etc. I used to bone a chick who literally used to work for the Trilateral commission. She was an academic heavily entrenched in global politics. She broke down conspiracy theories and the whole 9 yards. I've met several chicks that have been pretty close to being considered a master Yogi. Learned a ton from them as well. I've met a number of art curators that helped educated my barbaric ass on art. It's more than just notches it's an experience. I don't tell my friends or family every time I eat at a great restaurant, but that doesn't take away the experience one bit. Sometimes I share sometimes I don't, but I do this for me. I also do it because most men can't.

Post: #50

There are invariably many who became jaded of the game, or found a woman suitable to settle down with. Echoing the sentiment of others, you're likely young and have not reached the point where you want to settle yet. With game comes immense power so just enjoy the ride while it lasts.

It's a non-issue to me. With game you realise your full potential as a man. And eventually you'll find that woman who ticks the majority of your boxes. And if the time's right, you'll settle down with her. What being in the game does is makes you more demanding and discerning in your choice of women. I see no problem with that personally.