Post: #76

This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

At the end of the day, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide them a stable home environment. So if that's something you're willing to sign up for at this point in the West, you simply have to accept the fact that there's a very high probability that it could blow up in your face. You can try to minimize that risk all you want, but everything is working against you legally, socially and culturally. We're in a culture war, and we can expect there will be plenty of casualties. If you want to raise a family in this degenerate age, you very well might be one of them. But it can't be helped. This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

Post: #77

(12-30-2018 10:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  I am asking you to understand human nature. I harbor no negative feelings. I would impregnate a 10 no problems. That's how males operate. Similarly, women would jump at the chance to be with a 10 male even if he had a harem. That's part of their nature.

Quick reality check: talk to a female who is honest in your life. Most likely a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister, etc. I'm not calling all women sluts, I'm just saying women are human. We all live less than perfect lives. If humans can't be perfect, than women can't either. Just to be fair, you could ask a male figure in your life about his sexual experiences, why did he finally decide to settle down, and with whom?

I'm saying nothing about the circle of family/friends around you. But you will get the full story from the statistics.

Human nature differs from person to person, based on genetics and environment. A woman with a non-adventurous personality who was raised in a traditional home with her parents being together and a strong father will not behave the same as a woman with a naturally adventurous/rebellious personality who was raised by a single mother and an abusive stepfather.

I am very conscious of human nature. The reason marriage and monogamy even exist in the first place is because it is the best system to control and regulate human nature for the benefit of raising the next generation. Modern marriage is obviously perverted. Modern attitudes towards premarital sex, divorce, etc., go against human nature. Leftists are the ones who refuse to acknowledge human nature. People like me who support traditional marriage (not modern "marriage") are actually very conscious of human nature.

Post: #78

(12-30-2018 11:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

At the end of the day, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide them a stable home environment. So if that's something you're willing to sign up for at this point in the West, you simply have to accept the fact that there's a very high probability that it could blow up in your face. You can try to minimize that risk all you want, but everything is working against you legally, socially and culturally. We're in a culture war, and we can expect there will be plenty of casualties. If you want to raise a family in this degenerate age, you very well might be one of them. But it can't be helped. This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

This is a really good point. And completely true. Needed to be brought up in this thread.

As far as solutions. I have thought a lot about possible ones. One that really may make sense, but I have no experience with, is partnering up with a woman, and doing everything short of being married. Seems like it could mitigate divorce rape because you’re not married.

Really good way of looking at an otherwise bad situation: higher sense of purpose.

Post: #79

(12-30-2018 11:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

Post: #80

(12-30-2018 11:05 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 10:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  I am asking you to understand human nature. I harbor no negative feelings. I would impregnate a 10 no problems. That's how males operate. Similarly, women would jump at the chance to be with a 10 male even if he had a harem. That's part of their nature.

Quick reality check: talk to a female who is honest in your life. Most likely a mother, grandmother, aunt, sister, etc. I'm not calling all women sluts, I'm just saying women are human. We all live less than perfect lives. If humans can't be perfect, than women can't either. Just to be fair, you could ask a male figure in your life about his sexual experiences, why did he finally decide to settle down, and with whom?

I'm saying nothing about the circle of family/friends around you. But you will get the full story from the statistics.

Human nature differs from person to person, based on genetics and environment. A woman with a non-adventurous personality who was raised in a traditional home with her parents being together and a strong father will not behave the same as a woman with a naturally adventurous/rebellious personality who was raised by a single mother and an abusive stepfather.

I am very conscious of human nature. The reason marriage and monogamy even exist in the first place is because it is the best system to control and regulate human nature for the benefit of raising the next generation. Modern marriage is obviously perverted. Modern attitudes towards premarital sex, divorce, etc., go against human nature. Leftists are the ones who refuse to acknowledge human nature. People like me who support traditional marriage (not modern "marriage") are actually very conscious of human nature.

Human nature is universal. Environment is highly variable. Genetics determine some of your programming but not of all it. Humans are highly adaptable and molded by their environments. That means individuals do not exist as static personalities. They change. You inject something powerful, but subtle, like media into people’s subconscious and the changes start happening. Not to mention people are influenced by those around them.

Monogamous marriage is a solution that is mutually beneficial for both men and women. For women safety, security, resources for her and the children after she hits the wall. For men, they get a partner even though there is hypergamy in women, and man’s most violent tendencies are moderated by recurring access to sex. I also believe it makes men more productive. Fidelity has always been an issue in marriages, and cheating is not simply a product of modern society, but I’m certain it’s gotten worse since marriage started being trashed as an institution by elites.

Post: #81

Not sure why people pity the husband when he likely knows his wife is screwing around at the moment. Frankly I've seen this in real life a fair bit too: my favorite is the guy who girlfriends up a woman who was a stripper and definitely an ex escort (only retired due to age).

Post: #82

(12-30-2018 11:10 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 11:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

This is a really good point. And completely true. Needed to be brought up in this thread.

If you could only consider a woman from the West, it would.

But I've met enough women in Eastern Europe and South America to know it's possible to find virgins there even as man in your 30's. Age differences +10 years aren't that much of a taboo in some places and people won't look at you as an old pervert for choosing young pussy instead of an old roastie.

Not all cultures are fucked up in terms of this, just have to move or make trips to an environment where more quality women are in abundance to give yourself a better chance. The real problem comes when you take that girl back to the West.

Post: #83

(12-30-2018 10:31 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  Are you saying it is impossible for a woman to actually truly love and respect her man?

Nope, a woman can love you while simultaneously not want to fuck you and fantasize (and even cheat) with other men. Being alpha doesn't prevent this.

Quote:You're basically saying that my wife, my sister, my mother, and every woman I know personally (in addition to the wives and mothers of every other man on this forum) are "like that" (i.e. degenerate sluts). I think a lot of people here would not appreciate that. A lot of us have women in our lives who we consider to be loved ones and/or close family members, and who we don't consider to be degenerate sluts at all.

He's right. Even your mother and your sister are sluts. Mine sure are too. It doesn't matter though, cause they are family. You don't stop loving your family because they are sluts.

Post: #84

Quote:I'm actually quite young. 27. I have known my wife since I was 16 and she was 17. Granted, she is not American, and I met her overseas in my mom's country.

Yes, I realize I got very lucky.

Do you have fear that she will one day cuck you? Are you having doubts about her current behavior? Is she Ukrainian/Russian?

It doesn't make sense that the only member attacking others in this thread is the one with the ideal virgin bride (even straw-manning me in the process). Your aggression/angst is coming from somewhere, because I don't think you really care about which women forum members you haven't met decide to marry. Something doesn't add up.

Post: #85

(12-30-2018 11:27 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 11:10 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 11:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  This is a pointless argument, because saying that men shouldn't marry any girl who isn't a virgin these days is basically consigning 99% of unmarried men over the age of 25 to lifelong bachelorhood. The supply of virgins is too small to go around. If you don't find one and lock her down when you're in high school/college, it's almost assuredly not going to happen. That being said, we simply have to accept the fact that our culture is in a very bad spot regarding marriage. It's fruitless to argue about the ideal marriage situation, because that ideal is far beyond reality for most men given our current socio-cultural environment.

This is a really good point. And completely true. Needed to be brought up in this thread.

If you could only consider a woman from the West, it would.

But I've met enough women in Eastern Europe and South America to know it's possible to find virgins there even as man in your 30's. Age differences +10 years aren't that much of a taboo in some places and people won't look at you as an old pervert for choosing young pussy instead of an old roastie.

Not all cultures are fucked up in terms of this, just have to move or make trips to an environment where more quality women are in abundance to give yourself a better chance. The real problem comes when you take that girl back to the West.

West vs third world/ East, brings up its own questions go beyond the scope of this thread. But as been written numerous times, that are a myriad of other issues.

I have seen my fair share of the third world, and virgins are certainly out there, but maybe not as prevalent as people think. There are plenty in the US, but they are in rural areas, religious, or already spoken for. I have not heard many stories of 30+ men ending up with virgins, but if there are such stories I bet they start and end in SEA.

Being with a virgin girl in the west is a losing proposition.

Post: #86

(12-30-2018 11:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I'm actually quite young. 27. I have known my wife since I was 16 and she was 17. Granted, she is not American, and I met her overseas in my mom's country.

Yes, I realize I got very lucky.

Do you have fear that she will one day cuck you? Are you having doubts about her current behavior? Is she Ukrainian/Russian?

If so then it's a 100% lose scenario if you bring her into the West. Practically every man in the neighborhood, even married ones, will probably find excuses to chat her up and shower her with attention. Husband can't stop those guys if he has to work for a living (and if one is leisurely rich then it's probably better to do it in her country).

Post: #87

(12-30-2018 11:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I'm actually quite young. 27. I have known my wife since I was 16 and she was 17. Granted, she is not American, and I met her overseas in my mom's country.

Yes, I realize I got very lucky.

Do you have fear that she will one day cuck you? Are you having doubts about her current behavior? Is she Ukrainian/Russian?

It doesn't make sense that the only member attacking others in this thread is the one with the ideal virgin bride (even straw-manning me in the process). Your aggression/angst is coming from somewhere, because I don't think you really care about which women forum members you haven't met decide to marry. Something doesn't add up.

I disagreed with you earlier when you said you'd rather have a girl with a few former sexual partners who had "been tempted and resisted" than a virgin who had never been tempted (if this was not your point and I "straw-manned" you, then I apologize for misunderstanding your post).

This opinion is just a personal preference, though. If there are people who would rather take the "tempted and resisted" girl with a low (but not zero) notch count, I don't have a problem with that. You're right, I don't care which women other forum members decide to marry.

If it came off as "attacking," I certainly didn't mean it that way.

And no, there is no hidden personal motivation for me sharing any of these opinions. I was actually just browsing the forum, came across this thread, and decided to give my opinion. Then I might have gotten somewhat aggressive when I felt I was being called out or talked down to. That is all there is to it.

Post: #88

(12-30-2018 11:09 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(12-30-2018 08:56 AM)RawGod Wrote:  I think the obsession with virgins is a protective measure so that we can continue to hold on to the idea that there is a perfect, unspoiled girl out there - or there should be but this degenerate society prevents her from staying "pure". There are no perfect women out there, virgin or not. Women are not spoiled by losing their virginity. It's all in your head.

I think it has its basis in biology, like women's preference for height. The reason I think this is because men's preference for virgins seems to cross cultural and religious lines, just like women's preference for height (and resources/money, for that matter).

The question is why. It's probably a protective measure on the part of men to assure a better life for the offspring. Women who have been with a lot of men are more likely to be a flight risk and not stick around, therefore damaging the lives of the kids.

Statistics on divorce bear this out. The more partners a woman has, the more likely divorce is. Below are some sources for this info. Even the commies at the Atlantic seem to agree.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...ss/573493/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic...VORCE.html

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/09/...bad-wives/

Right. Also, if you marry a virgin, you'll always be the best sex she's ever had, the most handsome man she's ever been with. With a low N count girl, depending on your SMV, you can still be #1.

Let's say she's had 10 to 20 sexual partners or more. Well, one dude was more adventurous than you, another was taller, another was smarter, another had a bigger dick, another had a smaller, more comfortable dick that didn't require as much lube, another had a bigger wallet, another was more serious, another was more nonchalant, another had better hair, another was more boyish-looking, another was more manly-looking, another was more well-spoken, another was more the silent type, another had a better ass, another liked to go down on her for hours, another had better legs, another was more sociable, another had better arms, another had a better smile, another had better teeth, another had nicer eyes, another had a better jaw, another was more into the things she's into, another went along with her family more, another stood up to her family more, another was better at sex, etc. It never ends, the point is you'll always come up short in one area or another.

With a virgin, you are always #1 in every single sphere.

Why be #2, #3, #4, #10, #20, #30, #40 in the various spheres she'll be assessing you by. So that you have the privilege of having to try harder every single day to be her very own perfect man that no one can be?

It's absurd. F*** that noise.

Improve yourself, by all means, but get a low N count girl and make your life less of a headache, being with a woman and raising a family is a challenge in and of itself without having 40 other dicks she's had close and personal experience with cluttering up her mindspace.

You've got to be a masochist to be into that.

"Just be better than every guy at everything and you'll be fine." Sounds good, dude, have at it, take the high N count girl, be my guest, I'm not interested in that noise.

Also, keep in mind that being "better than every dude at everything" is impossible. Why? Because let's say you're more distant than every other dude she's been with, so she's into that about you. Well on Monday she wants a caring and kind dude. Guess what, Bob, contestant #17, was better than you at that. Time for texting time with Bob. Let's say you spend a lot of time every day at the gym. Well on Tuesday she wants someone that isn't away from her so much. Ed, contestant # 10, was into staying home and Netflixing with her and smoking joints. Time for Facebook time with Ed. Then it's Wednesday and she wants someone that's into being a foodie. But you've got your gym diet/regimen to maintain. Oh, what about Johnny, contestant #13? Time for Snapchat time with Johnny.

You could be a well off businessman with game and there will still be something her drug dealing ex can give her that you can't. Or vice versa, you could be a drug dealing guy with game and there will still be something her businessman ex can give her that you can't.

The point is there's no way to be the best man at everything, and even if there was a way to be the best at everything, you still couldn't be that because "the best" is fluid. Women are crazy enough to want completely opposing values in the same guy on different days of the week.

If you want to be with a woman that's easy to be around, aim for one with the lowest N count you can get and that has the happy gene.

Post: #89

(12-30-2018 11:04 PM)scorpion Wrote:  At the end of the day, the only reason to get married is to have children and provide them a stable home environment. So if that's something you're willing to sign up for at this point in the West, you simply have to accept the fact that there's a very high probability that it could blow up in your face. You can try to minimize that risk all you want, but everything is working against you legally, socially and culturally. We're in a culture war, and we can expect there will be plenty of casualties. If you want to raise a family in this degenerate age, you very well might be one of them. But it can't be helped. This is the cross we are forced to bear. We weren't asked by fate to storm the beaches at Normandy, or to fight to the death with the 300 at Thermopylae. Our battlefield is different from the men who came before. Less overtly violent and gruesome, to be sure, but perhaps more dangerous and demoralizing all things considered. Because we aren't fighting some foreign invader, but a cultural virus that has infected half of our countrymen and which seeks to destroy our children and families from within. The courage required in our age is not physical bravery, it is the willingness to take a moral stand for what is right, to live by those principles, and to risk all of your personal wealth and happiness making the gamble that your family will come out ok in the end.

I do not exaggerate when I say that the decision for a red-pilled man to undertake raising a family in the modern West is nothing less than heroic. It is an incredible act of Christ-like self-sacrifice, knowing that it could very well cost him everything. But he commits himself anyway in the hope that his children will grow up relatively unsullied by the cultural rot that surrounds him. That is all he can do. Everything he does, he does for them. It is a war that feels hopeless at times. But it's important to remember we didn't pick this war. We were simply fated to fight it. So we accept the risk, because the only alternative is surrender and acquiescence to the Satanic agenda of our enemies, who would see us completely wiped out. The future belongs to those who show up. If we're tasked with jumping on a grenade to ensure the next generation has a chance at a normal life, then so be it. Our fathers would have done the same for us.

   

Post: #90

(12-30-2018 06:17 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  Good luck finding a virgin unless you plan on becoming a Mormon. I can deal with a chick having a few sexual experiences before me, it’s 2018 for fucks sake. Maybe I’m not as worried about it as I should be.

In 2018 in the West the divorce rate is 50%. And that doesn't reveal the true carnage, as people are having children and then separating, all without even getting married and divorced.

So not sure how "it's 2018 for fucks sake" will protect you against getting shafted.

You're very likely to lose half your things as well as access to your kids and be permanently financially crippled, with no sex from your ex-wife to make up for it, so you'll then have to expend your now more limited resources to acquire new sex. "It's cool, it's 2018 for fucks sake."

No thanks, I'll keep my 1950.

You can have your 2018.

Post: #91

Just a typical abbotsford/chilliwack girl that got sucked into the VANCITY LIFESTYLE
Assembly line of that shit here.

Post: #92

(12-30-2018 10:16 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  If you're not a "solid" enough guy to make marriage to a virgin work, then you're not going to be able to make marriage to a non-virgin work either. A virgin will have nothing to compare you to. A non-virgin will. Also, a non-virgin will be less hesitant to sleep with other men if she is not satisfied with the marriage, since she has done it before. It is nothing new to her.

You think she has nothing to compare you with? A virgin bride will often compare you to the one thing you can never compete against... her own fantasies.

I have zero fear of being compared to other men. I'm not interested in some used up skank... but a little experience is not a problem.

In regards to cheating.... women are women. It has everything to do with the situations she puts herself in. The number of men she slept with plays little into this until she is in the 10+ sexual partners category.

That graph looks nice... but where did he source his data? I don't necessarily disbelieve it. My experience is that women who marry as virgins come from heavily religious families and communities, and these uphold her marriage and virtuousness over the long term. If you marry a virgin and then put her into regular US culture and society... I would bet money your failure rate is slightly higher than average!

(12-30-2018 10:16 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  This is obviously a very aggressive approach, and civilized non-Muslim men have not acted like this for centuries. However, there was a time when violence against women (including extreme violence and killing) was considered acceptable if your wife cucked you, even in non-Muslim cultures. This is obviously very wrong, and we have come a long way as a society since those times, but it shows that men have a primitive drive to protect their honor and take any and all measures to avoid getting cucked.
I do not support any sort of domestic violence under any circumstances. At the same time, I think that if a woman cucks her husband, that is about the most aggressive and violent thing she can do to him. Women are not aggressive/violent with physical force. Instead, they are aggressive with words and emotions. Cucking a man is just about the worst, most brutal think a woman can do to him. That is why it used to be considered acceptable for a man to get violent after having something like that done to him.

If I were advocating for changes to the law. I would suggest that we view female adultery as a legal equivalent of Domestic Abuse. Maybe forgo jail time, but it should automatically remove all divorce entitlements and guarantee split custody at minimum.

Post: #93

the answers on this thread are deep and sincere from Heuristics,No More Mr. Soy Boy and Caduceus thes three ones have understand the meaning of life, i'am myself believe in love,love isn't an overrated value,love cannot be bought or earned,sorry but you can giving advices who look quite conservative on a day and preaching the contrary the other day it's seems twisted for me, no half measures you are on the promiscuity side or on the LTR hetero monogamous side i'am quite revulsed of the aspect of an religious marriage but i'am more for civil union a tacite agreement black on white,i think is shaping your mind on a very bad way to precogs(minority report) about the eventual events who are not arrived yet on the wrong side of the line,is kafkaian,if you are fully sincere steady faithfull have great sex complicity because to my eyes love and sex are intricated,personnaly i don't care about gaming i have higher ambitions,and jozi sorry guy but is a very darkly view on the human condition,i don't know you lives but from my eyes i repeat is quite binary simple : promiscuity with all the mindfucked chads and stacies,the gangbangers,the attention whores, interracial sluts , the peackocks,the cucks,the manginas the feminazis sjw brainwashing men and all the problems related to that cesspool and the other side crystal clear minded people with a nice soul who haven't anything to proved or psychiatric issues,i don't compete i'am of the grid i'am not interrested by In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni and all these butterflies who dies around the light, my reasearch is more elliptic,more in an other universe and also i have time not so much but i have,it can take one,two or three years where is the problem if the girl you are coveted is going with an other one let your down then she's not made to fit you,normally every decent guy deserved to have a beauty in his arms but since these fucking phones and these fucking social medias like FB (i have no phone and no fb,iam free)are everywhere,everything is on appearing superficial,shallow,distorted,and not to being,but i have understand the phenomenon since a long time ago ,i try more to follow my own path even i'am stuck on certain aspects of female behaviour,but i try to be detached to saw the things very differently than some of yours,iam incel for sure but from my side is more an economic problem,no money no love simple, and following this state of mind i'am less frustrated than some angry guys who are running about an hypothetical comet,i don't adhere completely in Hunter-gatherer thing and even in the larger lines you have some truths iam not alpha or beta iam way over these childish reductives cliché,sorry guys but is a tiny perception of the human nature so reductive by the wrong side of the loop even some facts are indeniable
i'am an european who think very differently from the mass,i'am one,not many,and guess what a russian woman of 52 on an other forum agree completly with me,i'am not a collective mind.but neverless you need to have tacite ground otherwise is the war,you need to be complete,a friend,a lover, a sex partner in the most open communication as possible.who knows on the wrong side taoism,tantrism,chakras,cosmogony,astrology,yoga,tai chi chuan qi gong,ying yang etc not so much,did you think than empires like china,ancient persia,ancient india haven't left sacred scipts.the universe is not fixed every fractal of seconds is moving,is one of the major problem in our riches westernized countries everything is about consumerism.

i am very slowly looking for my gem,but i'am still have a lack of clarity about cultural women behaviour from a country to an other ,you'll see my values are not so far from christian religious conservators ,religion in less.is why i need more advices from local women and in a less measure from local men,but not from people who have stopped to believe in love.deal with your own life not the other's life.be seeing you.

Post: #94

^I once knew a French guy who spoke walls of text exactly how you wrote that post. It was overwhelming!

Post: #95

(12-31-2018 03:56 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  ^I once knew a French guy who spoke walls of text exactly how you wrote that post. It was overwhelming!

Was he a cool French guy by any chance?

Post: #96

I must say I'm continually blown away by these women that get tatted up, go through the club meat grinder and come out the other end yoga instructors etc continually posting semi naked selfies but yet find enlightenment.....

Post: #97

Spaniard88 has a point, but I'll have to play the devil's advocate here because I've experienced exactly what most of the guys here seek - a pure, unspoiled creature who has only been with you and no one else, to whom you were the first kiss, who has only seen a penis in a biology book before you showed it to her. Yes, my fine gentlemen, I've experienced that. And I'd NEVER take her back. You know why? Because even though she loved me, even though she's very religious, even though she's one of the people who'd never cheat, even though she wants kids, even though she grew up in a stable nuclear family... (everything sounds perfect on paper so far, doesn't it? She checks all the boxes)
....
she was such an insufferable and irritable cunt, so argumentative, so goddamn lazy, so stuck up in her comfort zone, without a sense of humor, with such an autistic character that I'd take a non-virgin before her any time. Every day with her would give me a headache. We can all agree that only a girl with a low notch count can be girlfriend material, but I came to realize that there are more important things about a girl than just whether she's a virgin or not.

And do you know what the most important thing is? That she's agreeable, that she has what others have called a happy gene. That's she's an all-around pleasant person to be with, someone with whom you can make plans, count on her and enjoy spending time with. A fun, good hearted girl with a low notch count > grumpy virgin

Post: #98

Has anybody seen the recent photos of her Ex husband? Guy changed a lot and looks like she wants him back. I think he’s done with her. Haha guys must have smartened up.

Post: #99

Next question: any indication whether our Tarnished Virgin Snowflake has parents who are married, and what's the state of that marriage?

The miles on the clock could be zero, but if the fucking car was built by Lada, don't pretend like you weren't warned. Given the Boomers have divorce rates in the 50% range with Gen X not far behind, there's a fifty-fifty chance she's wearing all those tattoos for much the same reason girls often have tattoos: self-harming with somewhat-more-permanent markers thanks to the handiwork of narcissist parents.

EDIT: Unsurprisingly, a quick Google search doesn't find anything about the parents, but it does find two things:

(1) They are said to have 'shamed' her when she first got knocked up by him and told her to expect him to leave. Which probably would not have exactly helped keep her in the marriage fold.

(2) She was said to suffer from 'anxiety' issues which she writes about on her blog (or did before her marriage blew up). For "anxiety" my guess would be panic attacks or full-blown Anxiety Disorder. That shit does not come from nowhere, and a set of parents more worried about their image than about their daughter would not have helped it.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #100

coolfrenchguy, I'm willing to pitch in $ to get you some English classes. Geez!

As for the OP, I'm with scorpion. The West has lost its culture including the component of marriage. I've gotten into a Western marriage situation and it's not easy. I grew up with the Hindu philosophy of marriage where men and women each have their responsibilities, respect and place. To come to the west and see a stark 360 liberal viewpoint was unnerving at first. However, I reconciled myself to it, somewhat forcefully. These days after discovering the forum and getting past these liberal attitudes from the west, I find that I lean more and more to my original philosophy of marriage, duty and sacrifice.

I feel for the western guys that have to endure the pain and don't have the benefit of knowing another way like I do to be honest.