Post: #1

The NYT is very critical of the school, but it is obviously an excellent idea and it would probably be successful in the West.

Quote:In China, a School Trains Boys to Be ‘Real Men’

Employing American football and chest-thumping chants, Tang Haiyan offers an answer to a country that worries that its sons are too coddled and feminine. “We will never cultivate sissies,” he says.

Tang Haiyan runs his school with a clear mission in mind: He will train boys to be men.

There are many ways to be a man, of course, but the broad-shouldered Mr. Tang has a particular kind of man in mind. This man plays sports. This man conquers challenges.

“We will teach the children to play golf, go sailing and be equestrians,” said Mr. Tang, 39, “but we will never cultivate sissies.”

Mr. Tang founded the Real Boys Club, which stands at the forefront of a deep conversation in China about what it means to be a man. It’s a debate that has been stirred by worries about military effectiveness, an embrace of traditional culture and roles, disappointing academic performance among boys and echoes of the defunct one-child policy.

To the club’s thinking, the alternative for the boys, ages 7 to 12, is life in a society where androgynous pop idols, overprotective mothers and mostly female teachers would turn them into effeminate crybabies.

On one recent Sunday afternoon, 17 boys from the Real Boys Club blocked, sprinted and tackled one another as they learned about American football. Wearing a red hooded sweatshirt, Mr. Tang led the boys in a call-and-response chant.

“Who’s the best?” he shouted.

“I’m the best!” they shouted back.

“Who’s the strongest?”

“I’m the strongest!”

“Who are you?”

“Real men!”

Arguably, the club is intended to address a problem that China does not have. Chinese men still dominate the top echelons of politics and business. Institutional sexism is widespread. Wealth is concentrated in the hands of men. Women complain of sexual harassment within public transport, universities and companies.

But China’s preoccupation with strong men has taken on a political dimension, feeding concerns about whether young Chinese males are in trouble. State media has said video games, masturbation, and a lack of exercise have made many young men ill-suited for the military. “Erasing the gender characteristics of a man who is not afraid of death and hardship,” Peng Xiaohui, a sexology professor at Central China Normal University, said, is tantamount to “a country’s suicide.”

“It is still necessary for a boy to be raised as a boy and a girl to be raised as a girl,” Mr. Peng said in a telephone interview. “They should not be raised based on the opposite gender.”

Mr. Tang, a former football coach and teacher, said the idea for starting his club came from his discussions with parents who were worried about their sons falling behind in school. According to a 2014 survey of 20,000 Chinese primary school students and their parents in four provinces, almost two-thirds of the boys surveyed performed poorly academically, compared with less than one-third of girls. The study was conducted by the China Academy of Educational Sciences, a research institution affiliated with China’s education ministry.

Mr. Tang was also inspired by a 2006 trip to Oakland, Calif., where he saw American parents teach their boys “to overcome challenges and dangers” through physical training. In China, by contrast, many parents try to protect their sons, a cultural bias that has been magnified by the one-child policy. The survey by the China Academy of Educational Sciences found that “whether it was in life or in school, parents had a tendency to spoil boys.”

More than 2,000 boys have enrolled in the Real Boys Club, according to Mr. Tang.

One mother, Sun Yi, decided to enroll her 8-year-old son — her only child — because she believed it would teach him teamwork. She paid about $2,000 for a semester’s worth of classes.

“He used to like to cry, but now I think he has a much sunnier disposition,” she said. “I feel his tolerance ability has improved, and he now knows how to deal with failure and frustration.”

In the Real Boys Club, the lessons of manhood are taught in slogans. Before the boys do their homework, they pledge to study hard for the “rise of China,” starting with the words: “I am a real man! The main bearer of the family and social responsibility in the future! The backbone of the Chinese people!”

Mr. Tang said “real men” are gallant. (“I can never ask this of a girl,” said Mr. Tang, who has a 3-year-old daughter. “This is a trait that is unique to boys.”) Other traits that boys should have, he said, include courage, etiquette, the ability to distinguish right from wrong, and an understanding of “honor and disgrace.”

At the start of the program, several of the boys spoke only in a whisper or cried for half an hour, said Guo Suiyun, one of the teachers.

“When one of them cries, we will definitely not comfort him,” said Mr. Guo, 30. “We will only encourage him to be strong.”

Every Sunday, the boys hop on a bus at 7:40 a.m. and ride to a sports school nestled in the hills of western Beijing, where they play soccer, games that involve teamwork and strength, and football — a sport that is still new to many in China. One day in December, they will run shirtless.

“I never get to play soccer during the week,” said Sun Shujie, 10. Earlier, Mr. Tang had asked him to share his story about giving up his smartphone during the week and how he restricted himself to only 20 minutes of use.

The boys do their homework in a school surrounded by framed posters of famous scientists and engineers. Only one woman is pictured: the Polish physicist Marie Curie.

Some in China blame boys’ lacking behavior on a lack of male role models. Fathers are rarely involved in their sons’ upbringing, according to government research. Even pop culture figures have sparked complaints: A number of parents were outraged when China’s state broadcaster, China Central Television, in September featured a boy band whose members wore makeup. The parents complained that these pop idols could cause their sons to “behave in a feminine way.”

The Real Boys Club is meant to foster self-sufficiency, with the study period encouraging the boys to meet their goals without their parents hovering over them. Jin Hong, 9, said his parents would constantly breathe down his neck about schoolwork at home. “The thing I like most about the program is that I can study independently,” he said.

But the program does not encourage the boys to run amok. Boys who commit infractions — pushing other boys, hurling vulgarities — get points deducted and can get demoted from the “phoenix” level to the “smelly egg” level.

For Ms. Sun’s son, Fang Dingyue, it got to be too much. After Mr. Tang singled him out for not keeping up while marching, Dingyue burst into tears.

Other men say they have doubts about the effectiveness of male-oriented schools. Wang Chenpeng, 23, a marketing employee for a storage company who loves wearing makeup, said his mother burned all his dolls because she thought it was too girlie. He later came out as gay.

“On the surface, these children may try to keep in line with the requirements of their parents and these educational institutions, and then present a superficial image,” he said. “But their essence will remain the same.”

Elsie Chen and Zoe Mou contributed research.

Post: #2

I wonder if you could get away with that school in the west.

Demand aside, would you even be allowed to open and operate such a school, anywhere in the cucked west?

Post: #3

(12-19-2018 08:18 AM)Malone Wrote:  I wonder if you could get away with that school in the west.

Demand aside, would you even be allowed to open and operate such a school, anywhere in the cucked west?

Nope. Not without pressing that hard reset button.

The Chinese are going places. They've seen the irreparable damage being done to the West and are wisely taking steps to avoid the same fate. Exploring space, building carriers, colonising Africa, altering their genome..... and now building schools that cherish masculinity.

This school reminds me of the mindset of the English public school back in the day. Like it or not, self-belief and arrogance are essential to get shit done.

I'd like to present two quotes from Theodore Roosevelt;

"Over-sentimentality, over-softness, in fact washiness and mushiness are the great dangers of this age and of this people. Unless we keep the barbarian virtues, gaining the civilized ones will be of little avail."

and this real humdinger, when talking about his sons;

“I would rather one of them die than have them grow up as weaklings,”

Can you imagine someone in the public eye saying that second one today! I'm glad Teddy lived, but I just wish he had been born in our time, as we need him now more than then.

Post: #4

Damn, motherfucker stole my business idea.

Because this

Quote:Arguably, the club is intended to address a problem that China does not have.

is total bullshit.

It's one of the biggest problems urban Chinese society has, and it's blatantly obvious to anybody who spent some time on the ground.


The only question is if the Party has any interest in raising "real men" on a large scale. Maybe they would rather prefer docile drones.

Since this school is located in Beijing and costs $2000 per semester to attend, it's probably a service reserved for the elites anyway.

Post: #5

They should send it Naomi Wu to teach arts and crafts:





What was I saying... uuuuhh, never mind...

Post: #6

(12-19-2018 08:18 AM)Malone Wrote:  I wonder if you could get away with that school in the west.

Demand aside, would you even be allowed to open and operate such a school, anywhere in the cucked west?

This sounds sorta like what the Boy Scouts used to be, and we saw what happened to that.

Post: #7

It seems as though everyone knows the US is destined for collapse and its not far away, It will be a steady decline and other powers are simply biding their time and preparing for the inevitable. We will see some turbulent times as multilatarilsm dies out and countries, especially smaller ones, have to rely on bilateral relations more so than ever. We will definitely see a surge in weapons buying. We are already seeing it, but in the next decade it will likely triple from nations that can no longer rely on the old grand alliances.

One thing other powers also seem to be doing is analyzing what went wrong with the US and how they can prevent that from happening to their lands. Weather its tough immigration laws, defunding soros schools and ngo's, banning rap, reviving their national religion or generally understanding that uncontrolled liberalism will destroy any civilization, what ever action they take, they are simply trying to get ahead of the irreversible problems that have already plagued the west.

I can't believe i am saying this but i think europe overall is in a better place than the US. Once the EU breaks, which is pretty much a matter of time now, and individual countries take full control of their borders, marxist multiculturalist policies will all be extinct.

Post: #8

(12-19-2018 07:56 AM)Montrose Wrote:  The NYT is very critical of the school, but it is obviously an excellent idea and it would probably be successful in the West.

Quote:In China, a School Trains Boys to Be ‘Real Men’

Employing American football and chest-thumping chants, Tang Haiyan offers an answer to a country that worries that its sons are too coddled and feminine. “We will never cultivate sissies,” he says.

Tang Haiyan runs his school with a clear mission in mind: He will train boys to be men.

There are many ways to be a man, of course, but the broad-shouldered Mr. Tang has a particular kind of man in mind. This man plays sports. This man conquers challenges.

“We will teach the children to play golf, go sailing and be equestrians,” said Mr. Tang, 39, “but we will never cultivate sissies.”

Mr. Tang founded the Real Boys Club, which stands at the forefront of a deep conversation in China about what it means to be a man. It’s a debate that has been stirred by worries about military effectiveness, an embrace of traditional culture and roles, disappointing academic performance among boys and echoes of the defunct one-child policy.

To the club’s thinking, the alternative for the boys, ages 7 to 12, is life in a society where androgynous pop idols, overprotective mothers and mostly female teachers would turn them into effeminate crybabies.

On one recent Sunday afternoon, 17 boys from the Real Boys Club blocked, sprinted and tackled one another as they learned about American football. Wearing a red hooded sweatshirt, Mr. Tang led the boys in a call-and-response chant.

“Who’s the best?” he shouted.

“I’m the best!” they shouted back.

“Who’s the strongest?”

“I’m the strongest!”

“Who are you?”

“Real men!”

Arguably, the club is intended to address a problem that China does not have. Chinese men still dominate the top echelons of politics and business. Institutional sexism is widespread. Wealth is concentrated in the hands of men. Women complain of sexual harassment within public transport, universities and companies.

But China’s preoccupation with strong men has taken on a political dimension, feeding concerns about whether young Chinese males are in trouble. State media has said video games, masturbation, and a lack of exercise have made many young men ill-suited for the military. “Erasing the gender characteristics of a man who is not afraid of death and hardship,” Peng Xiaohui, a sexology professor at Central China Normal University, said, is tantamount to “a country’s suicide.”

“It is still necessary for a boy to be raised as a boy and a girl to be raised as a girl,” Mr. Peng said in a telephone interview. “They should not be raised based on the opposite gender.”

Mr. Tang, a former football coach and teacher, said the idea for starting his club came from his discussions with parents who were worried about their sons falling behind in school. According to a 2014 survey of 20,000 Chinese primary school students and their parents in four provinces, almost two-thirds of the boys surveyed performed poorly academically, compared with less than one-third of girls. The study was conducted by the China Academy of Educational Sciences, a research institution affiliated with China’s education ministry.

Mr. Tang was also inspired by a 2006 trip to Oakland, Calif., where he saw American parents teach their boys “to overcome challenges and dangers” through physical training. In China, by contrast, many parents try to protect their sons, a cultural bias that has been magnified by the one-child policy. The survey by the China Academy of Educational Sciences found that “whether it was in life or in school, parents had a tendency to spoil boys.”

More than 2,000 boys have enrolled in the Real Boys Club, according to Mr. Tang.

One mother, Sun Yi, decided to enroll her 8-year-old son — her only child — because she believed it would teach him teamwork. She paid about $2,000 for a semester’s worth of classes.

“He used to like to cry, but now I think he has a much sunnier disposition,” she said. “I feel his tolerance ability has improved, and he now knows how to deal with failure and frustration.”

In the Real Boys Club, the lessons of manhood are taught in slogans. Before the boys do their homework, they pledge to study hard for the “rise of China,” starting with the words: “I am a real man! The main bearer of the family and social responsibility in the future! The backbone of the Chinese people!”

Mr. Tang said “real men” are gallant. (“I can never ask this of a girl,” said Mr. Tang, who has a 3-year-old daughter. “This is a trait that is unique to boys.”) Other traits that boys should have, he said, include courage, etiquette, the ability to distinguish right from wrong, and an understanding of “honor and disgrace.”

At the start of the program, several of the boys spoke only in a whisper or cried for half an hour, said Guo Suiyun, one of the teachers.

“When one of them cries, we will definitely not comfort him,” said Mr. Guo, 30. “We will only encourage him to be strong.”

Every Sunday, the boys hop on a bus at 7:40 a.m. and ride to a sports school nestled in the hills of western Beijing, where they play soccer, games that involve teamwork and strength, and football — a sport that is still new to many in China. One day in December, they will run shirtless.

“I never get to play soccer during the week,” said Sun Shujie, 10. Earlier, Mr. Tang had asked him to share his story about giving up his smartphone during the week and how he restricted himself to only 20 minutes of use.

The boys do their homework in a school surrounded by framed posters of famous scientists and engineers. Only one woman is pictured: the Polish physicist Marie Curie.

Some in China blame boys’ lacking behavior on a lack of male role models. Fathers are rarely involved in their sons’ upbringing, according to government research. Even pop culture figures have sparked complaints: A number of parents were outraged when China’s state broadcaster, China Central Television, in September featured a boy band whose members wore makeup. The parents complained that these pop idols could cause their sons to “behave in a feminine way.”

The Real Boys Club is meant to foster self-sufficiency, with the study period encouraging the boys to meet their goals without their parents hovering over them. Jin Hong, 9, said his parents would constantly breathe down his neck about schoolwork at home. “The thing I like most about the program is that I can study independently,” he said.

But the program does not encourage the boys to run amok. Boys who commit infractions — pushing other boys, hurling vulgarities — get points deducted and can get demoted from the “phoenix” level to the “smelly egg” level.

For Ms. Sun’s son, Fang Dingyue, it got to be too much. After Mr. Tang singled him out for not keeping up while marching, Dingyue burst into tears.

Other men say they have doubts about the effectiveness of male-oriented schools. Wang Chenpeng, 23, a marketing employee for a storage company who loves wearing makeup, said his mother burned all his dolls because she thought it was too girlie. He later came out as gay.

“On the surface, these children may try to keep in line with the requirements of their parents and these educational institutions, and then present a superficial image,” he said. “But their essence will remain the same.”

Elsie Chen and Zoe Mou contributed research.

we urgently need it in the West, with that of gender ideology, metrosexualism, and that man is not man but proto-effeminate and woman looks male, we need that school already, to teach our children how to be men , as before the man said and the woman obeyed

Post: #9

(12-19-2018 08:18 AM)Malone Wrote:  I wonder if you could get away with that school in the west.

Demand aside, would you even be allowed to open and operate such a school, anywhere in the cucked west?

Post: #10

(12-19-2018 10:27 AM)redpillage Wrote:  They should send it Naomi Wu to teach arts and crafts:





What was I saying... uuuuhh, never mind...

Watched a few videos
Shitty music + bad english
Turn off sound
All is well

(subscribed)

Post: #11

If this Happened in Australia, the Hannah Gadsbys of the world wouldn't allow it. They would have an army of freakshows protesting outside the building. They would eventually get in and riot.

Post: #12

(12-19-2018 10:27 AM)redpillage Wrote:  They should send it Naomi Wu to teach arts and crafts:





What was I saying... uuuuhh, never mind...

Those boobs look fake.

WB though.

Post: #13

(12-20-2018 04:05 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  If this Happened in Australia, the Hannah Gadsbys of the world wouldn't allow it. They would have an army of freakshows protesting outside the building. They would eventually get in and riot.

Jesus Christ, what a piece of work

Post: #14

Get your kid into playing sports, its seemingly the last refuge for young male developmental bonding in the west that isn't completely tainted with bullshit.

Post: #15

China doesn't have a masculinity problem? Haha. Only someone who hasn't been there would say that.

Post: #16

You can bet there's no soy sauce in that school's canteen.

Post: #17

(12-21-2018 06:28 AM)Fortis Wrote:  China doesn't have a masculinity problem? Haha. Only someone who hasn't been there would say that.

A lot of the manosphere says things like "China is so red pill" on the basis that the women are more better than in the west and Chinese people don't buy into baizuo bullshit, and somehow that gets conflated with Chinese culture automatically teaching men to be masculine, which it absolutely does not.

Post: #18

Sounds like a novel idea. Ask any NPC male or female in the West what a "real man" is and their programming will run an infinite loop. Heck, America used to have "Finishing Schools" at one time (as referenced in the movie To Catch a Thief) where girls were taught to be ladies through classes on deportment and etiquette.

"A finishing school is a school for young women that focuses on teaching social graces and upper-class-cultural rites as a preparation for entry into society." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finishing_school