Post: #101

(12-03-2018 02:21 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves as men by the way you talk about other people, including the dead. Grow up.

Ever hear of Operation Condor? State sponsored terrorism with the help of the CIA, headed by Bush.

I have no respect for neocon war criminals, alive or dead.

Seriously commies being killed in South America is the hill you want to die on?

For some more balanced discussion of Bush and his legacy see Sailer's blog

http://www.unz.com/isteve/atlantic-nosta...i-semitic/

Looks like the jews weren't a big fan either.

Post: #102

George H.W. Bush, tell John McCain I said hello down in hell.

Post: #103

(12-03-2018 07:00 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 02:21 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves as men by the way you talk about other people, including the dead. Grow up.

Ever hear of Operation Condor? State sponsored terrorism with the help of the CIA, headed by Bush.

I have no respect for neocon war criminals, alive or dead.

Seriously commies being killed in South America is the hill you want to die on?

For some more balanced discussion of Bush and his legacy see Sailer's blog

http://www.unz.com/isteve/atlantic-nosta...i-semitic/

Looks like the jews weren't a big fan either.

Jeb, is that you?

At least 60000 people died. You think they were all commies? What is it that you think dictators do? They kill dissidents.

And how was propping up right wing dictators like Pinochet important to the security of America?

Post: #104

(12-03-2018 11:47 AM)911 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  Many of you should be ashamed of yourselves as men by the way you talk about other people, including the dead. Grow up.

Would you say the same if it were Hilary croaking and posters were piling on on the witch's grave?

This is not even a rhetorical question btw, sometimes I have a hard time figuring out how normies' brains work.

I know that autism hinders people's ability to connect with and understand others, so I'll let this go.

No, I don't wish death on anyone, even my enemies. Bad juju.

Post: #105

It is a shame Nixon has a bad reputation, I thought he was a better president. But all in all 20th American presidents have all been bad.

Post: #106

(12-04-2018 10:59 AM)Pride male Wrote:  It is a shame Nixon has a bad reputation, I thought he was a better president. But all in all 20th American presidents have all been bad.

We've had a few decent usa presidents in the 20th century. FDR, Reagan, Ike, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson. Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, are generally considered to be the other "good" presidents but they weren't in the 20th century.

Post: #107

I thought Wilson sold the country away with the Federal Reserve. Teddy Roosevelt was a good president though.

Post: #108

No matter how much you hate him for sins real or perceived, on his watch the Cold War ended...

Quietly.

We were supposed to have all end up as radioactive ash as the Soviet Union thrashed out in its death throes.

Don't take my word for it.

However, we are all here now, miraculously, arguing and screaming at each other across all the world's oceans and continents.

GHWB, for all his flaws, made that happen. I do not doubt that he had to make very horrible compromises.

Still, he made them. As a result, we are here with the luxury of debating them.

For that, as a child of the 80s who is aware that all we struggle against now is a hangover of the cold war's cultural marxism/neo islamism/whatever-wave feminism/etcism, I am still grateful.

Because of what he did, maybe we can either make Bretton Woods work for America or politely bring it to an end.

Post: #109

Believe me I'm no fan of the Bush family. Politics and power is one way ticket to selling your soul, and right now if the Bible is true, I know where President Bush is. But I'll give credit where credit is due. Kind of like John McCain. I absolutely loathed John McCain as a politician. But they were warriors in their youth as young men. HW was a fighter pilot at age 18. How many young men nowadays could be called upon at that age to do what he did. HW was part of a generation of American men I have deeply admired and respected since I was a little boy. There ain't many of them left. Unlike most politicians there are some who led honorable lives prior to politics who spilled blood for their land. They've earned my respect in that regard even if I view their political legacy with pure contempt. So for HW, I'll still raise a toast at Christmas.

I thought this was moving. I actually didn't know Bob Dole was stil alive. He's 95. Brother stands by brother.

Post: #110

I was indifferent to this event until I I learned that the USPS will be closed in honor of Bush. I do not remember the post office ever taking an impromptu national holiday.

To honor the life and legacy of President Bush, the Postal Service will observe the national day of mourning and will suspend regular mail delivery and retail service on Wednesday, December 5



No kidding, I recently purchased a sweet new Top Of The Line smartphone- and it is due for delivery today WEDNESDAY. Fuck right off you cunts! You do not need to stop mail delivery to "mourn" GHWB, most of the damn workers probably never heard of him, they barely speak English!

Post: #111

Bob Dole is 95 in that video? Other than his handicap he doesn't look a day over 75. Good for him.

Post: #112

I don't like celebrating death, RIP. I was pissed off that the stock market was closed today because of his death. Was that done for other presidents?

Post: #113

I know Trump is at the funeral and all. I see a variety of sentiments in this thread in regards to George Bush and his legacy.

You guys think Trump being at the funeral makes for good optics? Maybe helps him retain some of the shaky cuckservative voting bloc for the upcoming election?

Post: #114

Post: #115

(12-05-2018 12:46 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  I know Trump is at the funeral and all. I see a variety of sentiments in this thread in regards to George Bush and his legacy.

You guys think Trump being at the funeral makes for good optics? Maybe helps him retain some of the shaky cuckservative voting bloc for the upcoming election?

HW actually requested that Trump be there.

However, all former presidents who are alive always attend the funeral of a passing president.

This is standard protocol.

Trump didn't speak, stayed pretty much low key, there's not much optics here.

Cucks are gonna cuck - they're on the losing team.

Post: #116

(12-05-2018 12:14 PM)kbell Wrote:  I don't like celebrating death, RIP. I was pissed off that the stock market was closed today because of his death. Was that done for other presidents?

The last president to have died was Reagan in 2004, https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108662286940130507

Yes, it is a tradition for the stock market to close to honor a past presidents death.

Post: #117

Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.

Post: #118

I have mixed views on him. I liked him as a kid and got to hear him speak at a speaker series at a local college almost 20 years ago. He seems to be the last of WASP politicians in America. Now with the red pill, I see him as a globalist stooge. To be fair, in his presidency, he also had to work with Democrats a lot as they were the majority party for a long time in Congress and the Senate. Republicans were a minority in both the Congress and the Senate from 1954-1994.

Post: #119

(12-05-2018 07:32 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.

Carter is definitely the next to die. He and Trump are the only ones that haven't made a deal with the devil.

Post: #120

(12-06-2018 12:45 AM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 07:32 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.

Carter is definitely the next to die. He and Trump are the only ones that haven't made a deal with the devil.

Care to explain what Carter did differently compared to the other ex presidents? Not disagreeing, just don't know much about his presidency.

Post: #121

(12-06-2018 02:58 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 12:45 AM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 07:32 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.

Carter is definitely the next to die. He and Trump are the only ones that haven't made a deal with the devil.

Care to explain what Carter did differently compared to the other ex presidents? Not disagreeing, just don't know much about his presidency.

I'm comparing him to the living presidents. All the others were war or conflict Presidents. Trump is still young in his presidency, so I'll withhold my judgments for now.

It seems Carter largely tried to avoid war. He managed to keep the Cold War from going hot, despite the Soviets invading Afghanistan. Yes, he did arm Afghans whom later became terrorists, but better that than sending Marines in and having a full on war break out.

And during the Iran hostage crisis he took a major risk and sent in Delta Force to go get the Americans. Delta Force was a brand new unit back then and no one knew if they were up to the task. As history shows they never got to find out because their helicopters crashed, but it took major balls for Carter to green light that, especially during his first term.

I don't know, now that you got me talking about him arming Afghan rebels that turned into terrorists, maybe he wasn't that good of a person.

Still better than Clinton, Bushes, and Obama by a country mile.

Post: #122

Carter is definitely one of the good ones. Became very critical of the Jewish lobby later on, as well. You're right in that he seemed to avoid interventionism for the most part. I wonder if we'll ever get to see a peace president, in our lifetimes at least.

Post: #123

^Nah. The multiple Middle East invasions during the Son of a Bush era, and Obama's (as well as Trump's thus far) failure to disengage the US from these conflicts with minimal damage in perceived losses basically confirmed Orwell's prediction of the West becoming a superstate or states that is permanently at war with another superstate (in this case not merely Iran and Afghanistan but most of the Middle East).

Post: #124

(12-07-2018 09:05 PM)moneyshot Wrote:  ^Nah. The multiple Middle East invasions during the Son of a Bush era, and Obama's (as well as Trump's thus far) failure to disengage the US from these conflicts with minimal damage in perceived losses basically confirmed Orwell's prediction of the West becoming a superstate or states that is permanently at war with another superstate (in this case not merely Iran and Afghanistan but most of the Middle East).

Good post. We are so far removed from the Founding Fathers and the philosophy that guided the nation, it's crazy.

Goddamn these people...

Post: #125

(12-07-2018 01:47 AM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 02:58 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 12:45 AM)renotime Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 07:32 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Eh, I'm wrong, Gerald Ford died in 2006. Jimmy carter is 94 and still alive.Bill Clinton is 72 but doesn't exactly look healthy. Trump is also 72. If I had to guess as to who dies next, it would be Bill Clinton.

Carter is definitely the next to die. He and Trump are the only ones that haven't made a deal with the devil.

Care to explain what Carter did differently compared to the other ex presidents? Not disagreeing, just don't know much about his presidency.

I'm comparing him to the living presidents. All the others were war or conflict Presidents. Trump is still young in his presidency, so I'll withhold my judgments for now.

It seems Carter largely tried to avoid war. He managed to keep the Cold War from going hot, despite the Soviets invading Afghanistan. Yes, he did arm Afghans whom later became terrorists, but better that than sending Marines in and having a full on war break out.

And during the Iran hostage crisis he took a major risk and sent in Delta Force to go get the Americans. Delta Force was a brand new unit back then and no one knew if they were up to the task. As history shows they never got to find out because their helicopters crashed, but it took major balls for Carter to green light that, especially during his first term.

I don't know, now that you got me talking about him arming Afghan rebels that turned into terrorists, maybe he wasn't that good of a person.

Still better than Clinton, Bushes, and Obama by a country mile.

Carter was not the right fit for that time in America. Plus, no POTUS could have survived the moving parts he was faced with. Economic shit with fast-paced inflation and a deep recession, the beginning of the Globalists preparing to move labour and manufacturing to Asia and elsewhere as the manufacturing base in America was ramping up its collapse and march towards its death, radical elements the world over with normalized terrorism - everyone was blowing up a plane or pipeline in every direction. What POTUS could survive that? Inflation was like 12% - 12 fucking percent - with interest rates at 18 fucking percent.

Between a rock and a hard place with the turmoil economically and the raping of the West by the new oil cartels, any President would have been damaged goods. The public turned on Carter because they did not think he was doing enough to get things on track (what more COULD one do?). Carter also suffered from not being wise enough to learn that optics and narrative mattered. Carter was too much of an honest southern boy and it cost him political capital and credibility with the American people - who turned on him as they viewed him as weak:



Carter kept it too real. Being upfront about austerity, his goals to be a non-interventionist, telling Americans to cut back on fuel for their pocketbook and the environment etc. Nothing he put forward was all that bad - perse- it was just too damn real and raw. Every POTUS since then has been a slimy hack who has projected narrative over actual substance in many cases.

IMO, Carter, in place of the hustler Obama would have been much better as a 'left' alternative to the Bush years. Carter was pragmatic and non-interventionist but he wasn't a hustler like Obama who had motives lurking to promote various nefarious goals.

IMO, also, Carter was well-intentioned in his policy choices, though, they were not always popular and it took time to realize his intent was always for the better standing of the USA. For example, him starting the Dept of Edu was a means to streamline spotty, shoddy, and disorganized EDU boards - which in theory - made sense. An overhead coordinator to maintain certain standards so that a kid in Wyoming had the same abilities to read and write as a kid in California made sense. When the Dept of EDU became weaponized political as a means to choke off States power and teach kids buggery remains to be known, but I don't believe it was Carter's intent to create that depaertment with the sole goal as a Federal vice grip.

I am not a hippy, but Carter and his environmental pushes halted America from turning into a shithole like China with green and brown toxic water and air. America was getting that bad in some of its regions due to lax or non-existent environmental controls. Stillborn and retarded babies, mutated fish, acid rain, fucked up water tables. It was getting bad with one regional crisis popping up after another.

Carter also faced cucking from his own Democrats as Ted Kennedy worked behind the scenes to cuck Carter and obstruct many of his policy pushes. Teddy wanted to be POTUS and used his brokering ability to ostracize Carter and his policy aims (sound familiar to anything in today's time ?)

I am not sure how many men survive leadership in that climate he had to deal with. Overall the guy did okay for what he had to work with.