Post: #151

Zyzz wasn't an Alpha if you actually read into what he was doing in Thailand: a lot of rumors of him being pay for play and even preferring ladyboys.

On the surface it seems like Australia produces a ton of Alphas / Chads but in actuality they invented GymCels a good 20 years before the other Anglo countries.

https://youtu.be/ZhfnLoEOTyk

It has to be some kind of British thing but Australia, Britain and Canada seem to have the more effeminate men of the Anglo world. The men interviewed in this video were likely WW1 veterans and even they were liberal / emasculated by 1960.

Post: #152

(12-04-2018 03:38 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 11:15 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  It's not a basic red pill truth if the guy isn't getting laid and can only manage to get an ugly chick. Enough with the nerdy talk, r-selected this, alpha that. Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

It's like saying "well he supposedly has the attitude of a wealthy man, you should copy that if you want to be rich, although the guy himself is dead broke".

Beyond stupid.

You apparently didn't read the post. It's not about him. He's just a proxy for a mentality.

I did. The post is complete rubbish. Why would anyone use a complete loser who can't get laid as an example of a successful mentality? That's just retarded.

"Here look at this broke ass guy, he has not even two pennies to rub together and will never be rich but he has the wealthy man's mentality. You can learn from him to become rich!"

"Look at this fat tub of lards! He can't see his own penis and can't lift anything other than his beer mug, but he has the right mentality of an oldtime strongman! You should copy his attitude so you too can be fit and strong!"

"Here's Little Corey, he can't get laid at all, but he has the right mentality! If you copy his Alpha Buddha mindset, you can get hot girls!"

I think you guys are off your rockers.

Post: #153

(12-04-2018 05:59 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 03:38 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 11:15 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  It's not a basic red pill truth if the guy isn't getting laid and can only manage to get an ugly chick. Enough with the nerdy talk, r-selected this, alpha that. Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

It's like saying "well he supposedly has the attitude of a wealthy man, you should copy that if you want to be rich, although the guy himself is dead broke".

Beyond stupid.

You apparently didn't read the post. It's not about him. He's just a proxy for a mentality.

I did. The post is complete rubbish. Why would anyone use a complete loser who can't get laid as an example of a successful mentality? That's just retarded.

"Here look at this broke ass guy, he has not even two pennies to rub together and will never be rich but he has the wealthy man's mentality. You can learn from him to become rich!"

"Look at this fat tub of lards! He can't see his own penis and can't lift anything other than his beer mug, but he has the right mentality of an oldtime strongman! You should copy his attitude so you too can be fit and strong!"

"Here's Little Corey, he can't get laid at all, but he has the right mentality! If you copy his Alpha Buddha mindset, you can get hot girls!"

I think you guys are off your rockers.

I think i understand where both of you guys are coming from. But i have to give agree with StrikeBack on this one. You could be a virgin and say shit like "i could fuck a lot of girls if i wanted, but i don't feel like putting in the effort". We all know a guy like that with no achievements but talks big game. Then you have the classic "i can make and build up a company and earn a lot of money, but i don't have the time right now" this kind of bullshit mentality. Obviously, if you've done it in the past it's easier to throw out statements like this, but if you have no proof, then i call bullshit. You lack the experience.

Confidence is a byproduct of success. Success comes from experience. You can act as alpha as you want, but if you don't back it up with numbers or proof then it might as well just be something you're pretending to feel good about yourself. A mentality you want to adapt in theory but can't put to use in practice. Actions speak louder than words.

Imagine a PUA teacher that radiates confidence and throws out a lot of fancy words and theory at the seminar, but as soon as you go out in the field and see him in action, it's a whole different story. He might as well have been a basement dweller his whole life, that read a lot material on the internet and suddenly decided to start up a boot camp. If his notch count is 2-3 and he's telling you about how you can fuck all these girls and have threesomes left and right if you followed his program, would you trust him?

Of course, you can be a football coach/manager without being involved in the game yourself, but bare in mind the majority of the successful coaches were football players themselves in the past. They know the game, they have the experience, they lived it. To me this guy seems like a loser that held a huge party, that blew up by accident and he's riding the euphoria wave in this interview living his 15 minutes of fame. Imagine going from the loser to the popular kid overnight, wouldn't you also act like him?

Post: #154

(12-03-2018 11:15 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  It's not a basic red pill truth if the guy isn't getting laid and can only manage to get an ugly chick. Enough with the nerdy talk, r-selected this, alpha that. Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

It's like saying "well he supposedly has the attitude of a wealthy man, you should copy that if you want to be rich, although the guy himself is dead broke".

Beyond stupid.

I don’t know anything about the guy beyond that video, so I can’t comment on his general success. The point is that the attitude he exemplifies in that particular video is very successful with lots of hot young western women, especially in America.

I think you’re focusing too much on this individual. I posted another British version of this ZFG attitude above:

(12-03-2018 01:46 PM)Oak Wrote:  

And the point about r-selection is important. As I said above the advice of Roissy, Rollo etc (and much of this forum) is mainly useful if you’re targeting r-selected western women. Not all women find that behavior attractive. I think that's the point you were trying to make about 'Bogans'.

But it is a bitter redpill truth that assholes are very attractive to many women, especially in the anglosphere. Your personal hatred of their behavior doesn’t change that. The most extreme example of this is serial killers and the love letters/nudes they receive.

Vid related:

Post: #155

I am pretty sure you can find an example like this at every reasonable large school or night club. Guys like this have habit of wearing sunglasses indoors and are not the smartest bulbs in room.

Post: #156

(12-04-2018 05:59 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I did. The post is complete rubbish. Why would anyone use a complete loser who can't get laid as an example of a successful mentality? That's just retarded.

"Here look at this broke ass guy, he has not even two pennies to rub together and will never be rich but he has the wealthy man's mentality. You can learn from him to become rich!"

"Look at this fat tub of lards! He can't see his own penis and can't lift anything other than his beer mug, but he has the right mentality of an oldtime strongman! You should copy his attitude so you too can be fit and strong!"

"Here's Little Corey, he can't get laid at all, but he has the right mentality! If you copy his Alpha Buddha mindset, you can get hot girls!"

I think you guys are off your rockers.

Superb, great laughs this morning.

Yes, I'm afraid Corey Worthington married, at a very young age, a hideous fat ugly chick.

Evidence is half way down the page:

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/celebrity/t...-now-49497

Rollo Tomassi's elevation of Corey to the status of Alpha-Buddha rather demonstrates the disconnect between red-pill theory and reality that can happen.

Post: #157

Alright. Corey is a bad example.

A piss poor example.

Does not invalidate the concepts, ideas and theories discussed.

Post: #158

Absolutely, it does not invalidate every red pill theory, idea, concept.

The thing is Red Pill theories, by their nature are sociological theories. Sociology, some say is not a science at all. Since it does not have verisimiltude, it can not be proven wrong.

So in the end, some of the red pill ideas and concepts will work and be accurate in reality.

However, reality is infinitely more complicated than any theory any man, including Rollo Tomassi, can come up with.

So, therefore, we should not be surprised if Red Pill theorists, even the best of the best, sometimes get it wrong.

Post: #159

No no no.

I ONLY mean HE is a bad example. The video is a good example.

The video shows a Chad.

Can you agree that within the video Corey displays Chad like qualities?

If not, who do you think demonstrates Chad Thundercock qualities?

Post: #160

(12-04-2018 12:05 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  No no no.

I ONLY mean HE is a bad example. The video is a good example.

The video shows a Chad.

Can you agree that within the video Corey displays Chad like qualities?

If not, who do you think demonstrates Chad Thundercock qualities?

A 'Chad' that doesn't fuck the hottest pussies, is still a Chad?

Well... all this theory is already annoying me a bit. Too much for a newbie, I need practice.

Gonna place me in the field out there.

Post: #161

@Badboygamer

I agree that in the video Corey does display some Alpha behaviour.

The interesting thing is that Corey in real life is neither Alpha nor Chad.

Which would imply you can display Alpha behaviour without being one in real life.

In real life most men, I suspect, will display a mix of Alpha and Beta behaviour.

The fact that Rollo saw Corey as a natural Alpha but he turned out to be anything but does mean, however, that anyone following one of the red pill gurus should not exclude the possibility that their theories may be wrong at times, when measured against the unforgiving yardstick of reality.

Always best to think for yourself as well.

Post: #162

Quote:The interesting thing is that Corey in real life is neither Alpha nor Chad.

Which would imply you can display Alpha behaviour without being one in real life.

This is what Game is all about.

You can display Alpha behaviour without actually being one. You can do it in such a way that you are able to "fool" anyone. You can even do it on accident. Naturally. Like Corey.

It goes even "deeper" than this. Alpha men do not exist. It is a fictional concept. You can not "be" an Alpha man. You either display certain qualities or you do not. Whether this display is real, faked or on accident is not neccesaryly relevant. These qualities include: Dominance, Strength, Fearlessness, Pre Selection, Confidence, Leadership, Initiative taking, Risk taking, Social Freedom, etc.

(funny how "deeper" means "not deeper" here)

Another way to look at it is the method you "obtain" sex. There are two ways: She either desires to have sex with you. Or she negotiates to have sex with you. If a random girl knocks on your door, blows your dick and walks away without anything else, you just got "alpha sex". If a girl asks you to kill a scary spider before proceeding to have sex, you just got "beta sex".

(Above statements are intended to be funny)

A Chad Thundercock is a guy who naturally displays these attractive qualities. It is almost by definition on accident. The guy is usually too dumb to even consider displaying these qualities on purpose. And nothing is more sad than one of these guys loosing their "mojo".

Think about one of them sterotypical American football players in school. Populair with the boys and fucking around with cheerleaders. The guy probably be dumb and will be flipping burgers at McDonalds for rest of life. He might organize a beer drinking contest and poison himself to dead. But he is fucking the hot cheerleaders.

This football player guy is a complete loser. He probably sucks at playing football too. He won't make it into the big leagues. He ends up getting married to Fatty Betty from the local pub. But he got to fuck the hot cheerleaders in school.

And at the end none of it matters. We do not give a fuck about these guys. We just want to know how to bang cheerleaders. And there is a lot to be gained by taking guys like this, tearing 'em apart piece by piece and putting 'em under microscope to figure out what makes 'em tick.

Post: #163

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  It goes even "deeper" than this. Alpha men do not exist. It is a fictional concept. You can not "be" an Alpha man.

I have to say I would agree with this, no matter which supposed Alpha Man I've studied, when you start scratching beneath the facade you inevitably find the beta underneath. A man can display Alpha type qualities at certain times, but at other times he will not. It is too much to expect it at all times. Even the mightiest of Silverbacks grows sick and is ultimately defeated by a contender. We see this in boxing as well. Alpha is a snapshot in time.

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  And at the end none of it matters. We do not give a fuck about these guys. We just want to know how to bang cheerleaders. And there is a lot to be gained by taking guys like this, tearing 'em apart piece by piece and putting 'em under microscope to figure out what makes 'em tick.

Quite possibly. But in the case of Corey Worthington it would appear he never did get to fuck the cheerleaders. He in fact wifed up a grossly obese, ugly female, at a young age. When he supposedly should have been Alpha-God fucking. He didn't. Seeing how Corey ticks will not be of help. Contrary to what Rollo Tomassi may have thought.

Post: #164

(12-04-2018 02:13 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  It goes even "deeper" than this. Alpha men do not exist. It is a fictional concept. You can not "be" an Alpha man.

I have to say I would agree with this, no matter which supposed Alpha Man I've studied, when you start scratching beneath the facade you inevitably find the beta underneath. A man can display Alpha type qualities at certain times, but at other times he will not. It is too much to expect it at all times. Even the mightiest of Silverbacks grows sick and is ultimately defeated by a contender. We see this in boxing as well. Alpha is a snapshot in time.

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  And at the end none of it matters. We do not give a fuck about these guys. We just want to know how to bang cheerleaders. And there is a lot to be gained by taking guys like this, tearing 'em apart piece by piece and putting 'em under microscope to figure out what makes 'em tick.

Quite possibly. But in the case of Corey Worthington it would appear he never did get to fuck the cheerleaders. He in fact wifed up a grossly obese, ugly female, at a young age. When he supposedly should have been Alpha-God fucking. He didn't. Seeing how Corey ticks will not be of help. Contrary to what Rollo Tomassi may have thought.

I'm beating my head against the wall at how much you guys are missing the point.

Corey Worthington doesn't matter. I don't give a fuck about Corey Worthington and which hambeasts he fucks or doesn't. He may as well not even exist as a human being.

The only thing that matters is his behavior in that video. That's it.

Post: #165

We are not missing the point at all. We get it. You think Corey is an abstraction of an archetype, his behaviour and attitude are what matters.

The problem here however is that there is a disconnect with reality. Corey is not an abstraction. He's real. And despite his Alpha attitude in that video he did not have sex with an endless parade of girls that were hopelessly attracted to his Alpha frame. He married an ugly wilderbeest.

Strikeback said it best:

(12-04-2018 05:59 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I did. The post is complete rubbish. Why would anyone use a complete loser who can't get laid as an example of a successful mentality? That's just retarded.

"Here look at this broke ass guy, he has not even two pennies to rub together and will never be rich but he has the wealthy man's mentality. You can learn from him to become rich!"

"Look at this fat tub of lards! He can't see his own penis and can't lift anything other than his beer mug, but he has the right mentality of an oldtime strongman! You should copy his attitude so you too can be fit and strong!"

"Here's Little Corey, he can't get laid at all, but he has the right mentality! If you copy his Alpha Buddha mindset, you can get hot girls!"

I think you guys are off your rockers.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not all about mindset, attitude and frame. Could it possibly be it's more complicated than that?

I think so.

Post: #166

There's truth in both sides of this argument and much of the disagreement is because of people assigning different meanings to the same word, especially "alpha".

Instead of Worthington, let's consider arguably the greatest sex god among young women since John Lennon, and of course I'm taking about none other than The Bieb. As high a percent of young women in Australia were/are Beliebers as in North America. And all the points BadBoyGamer etc made about Worthington also apply to Justin Bieber. Stupid young women, especially stupid girls under age 16, really go for androgynous pretty boys with fuckwit/douche attitude. The heavily muscled MMA look that some guys here advocate is scary to these girls, while the sophisticated James Bond look goes right over their silly heads.

Where I think BadBoyGamer goes wrong is thinking these silly Belieber girls are quality and worth lusting after. They may be cheerleaders but, if so, they are the stupider lower class cheerleaders. The beautiful sorority girls who will marry Wall Street bankers never took Justin Bieber seriously, never took Worthington seriously.

Post: #167

(12-04-2018 02:33 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  We are not missing the point at all.

You absolutely are.

How could he have changed his behavior in that particular video to make him appear more attractive to women?

Taken the sunglasses off and said 'sorry maam'? Perhaps while crying and complaining that he's afraid to express his emotions as a man due to toxic masculinity?

What exactly did he do wrong in that video?

Post: #168

No you are missing the point.

Corey did nothing wrong in that video. His behaviour was Alpha, strong frame, whatever you want.

However, despite his strong frame he DID NOT have a parade of endless hot girls that he slept with. It would appear he never got to touch a woman above the 4 range. Despite his strong frame. As evidenced by the fact that he married an obese 4 at a young age.

THAT's the point. That despite his Alpha behaviour and strong frame Corey is neither a sucess in life, nor a success with women.

There therefore appears to be a significant disconnect between the reality as we see it and the Red Pill theories churned out by people like Rollo Tomassi.

THAT's the point. Not what Corey did or didn't do in the video. Sure, his behaviour was strong in that video. But it did not help him succeed in life or with women.

Post: #169

Quote:It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

- Richard P. Feynman

Goes for science as it does for Game (which can be called a social science).

Quote:And the point about r-selection is important. As I said above the advice of Roissy, Rollo etc (and much of this forum) is mainly useful if you’re targeting r-selected western women. Not all women find that behavior attractive. I think that's the point you were trying to make about 'Bogans'.

But it is a bitter redpill truth that assholes are very attractive to many women, especially in the anglosphere. Your personal hatred of their behavior doesn’t change that. The most extreme example of this is serial killers and the love letters/nudes they receive.

I understand how bad boys / jerks / arseholes are attractive to women, but there's more to it than just being that kind of bad. You don't understand bogans, do you? I'm not talking about their behaviours, which are shitty. Bogan girls are the ugliest white chicks the anglosphere has to offer. I don't know about you but nobody here learns Game to bang ugly broads, and that's assuming you're gagging them so you don't have to hear the horrible accent.

What's next, Rollo telling us to learn from American Alpha Buddah who manages to wife up a People Of Walmart broad with his IDGAF attitude?

Look, if someone can't tell whether a man gets laid well (by attractive women) or doesn't at all - i.e he can't tell which behaviours are truly attractive to women, he should not be lecturing us about Game.

Post: #170

(12-04-2018 02:16 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 02:13 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  It goes even "deeper" than this. Alpha men do not exist. It is a fictional concept. You can not "be" an Alpha man.

I have to say I would agree with this, no matter which supposed Alpha Man I've studied, when you start scratching beneath the facade you inevitably find the beta underneath. A man can display Alpha type qualities at certain times, but at other times he will not. It is too much to expect it at all times. Even the mightiest of Silverbacks grows sick and is ultimately defeated by a contender. We see this in boxing as well. Alpha is a snapshot in time.

(12-04-2018 01:49 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  And at the end none of it matters. We do not give a fuck about these guys. We just want to know how to bang cheerleaders. And there is a lot to be gained by taking guys like this, tearing 'em apart piece by piece and putting 'em under microscope to figure out what makes 'em tick.

Quite possibly. But in the case of Corey Worthington it would appear he never did get to fuck the cheerleaders. He in fact wifed up a grossly obese, ugly female, at a young age. When he supposedly should have been Alpha-God fucking. He didn't. Seeing how Corey ticks will not be of help. Contrary to what Rollo Tomassi may have thought.

I'm beating my head against the wall at how much you guys are missing the point.

Corey Worthington doesn't matter. I don't give a fuck about Corey Worthington and which hambeasts he fucks or doesn't. He may as well not even exist as a human being.

The only thing that matters is his behavior in that video. That's it.

No, it doesn't.

Faking confident behaviors while hooking up with trailer trash and being out of shape is not alpha. Any retard can pretend to be confident. A depressed obese virgin can ape the behaviors of an alpha. At very best, this is a step before achieving true confidence (faking it till you make it).

What's on the inside matters a lot more than what's on the outside. I'd rather be a relatively introverted dude with actual confidence than someone who "acts" alpha but doesn't have the life results to back it up.

Post: #171

*sigh*

This is a circular argument with you guys, it really is. There's no point in even continuing. You don't get what we're saying. It's like talking to a brick wall. I'd propose we just acknowledge that we all probably agree with each other, but the medium of a forum post is causing a massive communication breakdown here.

Post: #172

(12-04-2018 04:36 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  Zyzz wasn't an Alpha if you actually read into what he was doing in Thailand: a lot of rumors of him being pay for play and even preferring ladyboys.

On the surface it seems like Australia produces a ton of Alphas / Chads but in actuality they invented GymCels a good 20 years before the other Anglo countries.

https://youtu.be/ZhfnLoEOTyk

It has to be some kind of British thing but Australia, Britain and Canada seem to have the more effeminate men of the Anglo world. The men interviewed in this video were likely WW1 veterans and even they were liberal / emasculated by 1960.

The whole Gymcel thing comes from the Sydney Gay ,beach and dance party scene of the 90s.
High steriod use by gays to max out their bodies was all around in the Sydney scene back then..

You'd go out and there would be guys in just Timberlands and Calvin Klein underpants..And that was 1992 ..Hetro dudes then picked up on it .Zyzz marketed it in the 2000s.

Its a major reason I don't feel jealous or look up to dudes who are jacked cause back un the day that's what gay guys looked like and they were no competition..So in my head I have always beat these guys for pussy..

I was in Ibiza after Sydney in 95 and not even that place could compete body wise back then.

That Sydney gay body then creeped into mainstream Australia through the beach scene.Melbourne and even Queensland beaches never had it..The chest 6 pack thing was there but with fit surfers

Pommy guys in Sydney had to make their own scene club wise but they too hit the roids .

Roids were easy to get in Sydney back in the 90s..But like I said it was driven by Gays not lifters or body building.Zyzz changed that.

Post: #173

First , I think some of game material should be taken with a grain of salt. Especially, we have never seen the evidences backing it up. ALAWYS think for yourself and come up with a conclusion based on your reality .
I have never seen any evidence that proves most of PUA coach or red pill theorist are legitimate and slaying pussies left and right, expect Krausser.
Rollo was in rock band, not any scientist . We have ppl in this forum smarter, more intellectual than him.


Back to the video . The guys is a loser, we get it. What about if a successful guy has Corey's attitude , this guy would kill it?
Right. This is the whole point of the video , be success , but also have this attitude

Post: #174

(12-04-2018 05:02 PM)corsega Wrote:  *sigh*

This is a circular argument with you guys, it really is. There's no point in even continuing. You don't get what we're saying. It's like talking to a brick wall. I'd propose we just acknowledge that we all probably agree with each other, but the medium of a forum post is causing a massive communication breakdown here.

Corsega, we agree that Corey displayed an Alpha attitude in the video. We also agree that attitude is of relevance. Are you saying anything beyond that about the importance of attitude?

Post: #175

(12-04-2018 02:36 PM)Shemp Wrote:  Where I think BadBoyGamer goes wrong is thinking these silly Belieber girls are quality and worth lusting after. They may be cheerleaders but, if so, they are the stupider lower class cheerleaders. The beautiful sorority girls who will marry Wall Street bankers never took Justin Bieber seriously, never took Worthington seriously.

If you really think a lot of beautiful sorority girls aren't fucking along the 80/20 rule you are VASTLY mistaken.

Ask ANY guy who has racked up a significantly above average notch count and he'll tell you he's fucked all manner of girls from those that many would outwardly consider prudes to those that are considered all out sluts.

The 80/20 rule applies. There are exceptions but most women will get fucked by a smaller subset of guys.