Post: #26

(11-15-2018 10:15 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  In the books, he's white, blonde, blue-eyed, 6ft 5, and 250lbs ....

That is surprising, because big guys stand out in a crowd. Definitely not what you want in an undercover operative.

Post: #27

(11-16-2018 12:24 PM)Trumpian Wrote:  Cruise actually did a good job despite the lack of phenotype, which tells you what a great actor he really is.

Yeah I liked Tom Cruise in both movies and kind of feel that there's more to it than Cruise being too short.

And although I agree Titus Pullo would be good, but he's not a star on the level of Cruise and isn't going to draw the international sales the way Cruise would.

They're better off taking Jack Reacher to Netflix or Amazon and running seasons with Ray Stevenson or maybe Charlie Hunnem from Sons of Anarchy. I think the character would be better served with multiple episodes rather than a 2 hour movie.

Post: #28

Dolph Lundgren then..

Post: #29

Chris Hemsworth or his little brother. Too bad he can't really act.

Post: #30

(11-16-2018 10:27 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:15 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  In the books, he's white, blonde, blue-eyed, 6ft 5, and 250lbs ....

That is surprising, because big guys stand out in a crowd. Definitely not what you want in an undercover operative.

But he's not an undercover operative.

Post: #31

(11-17-2018 08:16 AM)Saweeep Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:27 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:15 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  In the books, he's white, blonde, blue-eyed, 6ft 5, and 250lbs ....

That is surprising, because big guys stand out in a crowd. Definitely not what you want in an undercover operative.

But he's not an undercover operative.

I read one Jack Reacher book. Full of discrepancies, things not making sense, just not believable (at all). (warning, spoilers)

Plus, in the book Reacher meets an age-appropriate , not slim, not beautiful Asian lady, she's negging him and not polite, but, he falls in love with her, because "she's good enough for me, her size is beautiful to me": after all, a middle-age man like Reacher should not even try to fuck a slim young woman, right?

Anyway, in the book the age-appropriate grumpy couple kill a gand of red-necks who, unsurprisingly, record snuff movies in their barns (a plot twist I had guessed from the first page). !

I also had to laugh at most action scenes described by the author: Jack Reacher wins the last pig-farm fight by... quietly walking arms extended to the bad blond red-neck, who "gets nervous" and misses his shots (with a long-barreled assault weapon, leaning on a plank!). Oh but "the red-neck had run two hundreds yards so he was out of breath and Reacher knew he couln't shoot right because of the adrenaline". Lol.

Not even talking about the ludicrous Reacher's ideas about setting up a diversion, in the book: Reacher thinks the red-necks won't understand that the unexpected postal mail trucks (and how can Reacher time the entry of this truck at the very second the choppers appear?) are a diversion? Plus, in real life the postal mail truck driver would have taken Reacher's money and just disappeared.

Well, if you want good believable thrillers, you'd better read Forsyth or Pavone, or even the old spy-turned-dumb-Liberal, Le Carre.

Post: #32

^You think a chubby Asian is bad? In one of the other books, he bangs a army veteran chick that literally doesn't have a face. After turning down the advances of her "movie star looking" sister.

I like the idea of the character,, but Jack Reacher is a bit of a chump in some respects honestly.

Also feel like there's a bit of cultural disconnect as the author is British. Like some of the lines in the books are laughably English.

Post: #33

British does not = English. Sorry to be that guy.

Post: #34

(11-17-2018 11:09 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  ^You think a chubby Asian is bad? In one of the other books, he bangs a army veteran chick that literally doesn't have a face. After turning down the advances of her "movie star looking" sister.

I like the idea of the character,, but Jack Reacher is a bit of a chump in some respects honestly.

Also feel like there's a bit of cultural disconnect as the author is British. Like some of the lines in the books are laughably English.

The guy who writes him is just a Brit who's watched too many movies.

The idea that he's some ninja, the best of the best, because he was in... >>the military police!!<<< just shows how out of touch the author is.

His relationships with women are all sentimental beta crap because, again, the author has no life experience in this field.

The author was a boring middle class Harvey Milquetoast who worked in television when jobs were safe and lost his manager status when jobs became unstable. He has characterised the books as revenge stories – "Somebody does a very bad thing, and Reacher takes revenge" – driven by his anger at that downsizing whereby he lost his nice, safe programming manager job and supposedly starts each new instalment of his book series on the anniversary day of when he began writing the first book in the wake of that job loss.

Sounds like a real ninja who can handle any extreme situation or crisis that life throws at him without flinching .

I don't mind the so much but they are the juvenile fantasies of a coddled beta.

Post: #35

Now I better understand why this book was so disappointing (despite a few good literary ideas, like the devious cover-up of the making of snuff movies). It's because the author, though a talented writer, is not from the US (while setting his stories in the US), but more importantly: because he has no real law-enforcement or intelligence training.

That is why, I guess, his action scenes are somewhat off. To sum it up, in every action scene he writes, Reacher survives because he gets very lucky and everything turns into a best-case scenario for him. Each time I read an action scene in this book, I thought, wow, Reacher has a death wish, he takes incredible risks all the time, and survives mostly by sheer luck (plus violence and some half-assed planning).

So, I'm thinking, maybe our man Tom Cruise was not rejected from this role, maybe it is Tom Cruise himself who read the book, saw how mediocre it was, and refused to play a character who fucks plump age-appropriate ladies and walks dizzy-headed into incoming bullets "because the red-neck shooters have just ran and their aim is bad"?

Anyway, Tom Cruise deserves better scenarios, plus he probably noticed that John Wick is better than Jack Reacher, more entertaining, on screen.

Post: #36

(11-17-2018 01:46 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  Dolph Lundgren then..

Can never see him in a movie without remembering my mum getting that dreamy look talking about him.

Post: #37

I saw the Jack Reacher movie where they snipe some people on the streets to blame some ex-military veteran and Reacher comes to solve the case
It's the 1st one I guess? Didn't even know there were books, tought it was a original character. With that being said I liked it a little bit

What really standed out to me was the shootout scenes actually having some ground on reality, from sniper tactics to suppressing enemies only by hearing the sound of their gunshots, usually you never see that in Hollywood

The bad part was the brawls, pretty much the opposite of the firefights. Reacher looks more like Little Dark going all out versus 8+ thugs and winning than a self-defense expert
The romance was unbelievable aswell, both Cruise and the secondary lawyer chick are too old to play eye candy

Post: #38

I saw the movies but haven't read the books. However, I typically look into what the source material for a movie is and how it changed from print to the big screen. I thought the movies were pretty good and Cruise played the role well if you hand wave the more obvious physical differences.

Reacher was not an undercover operative but he stayed off the grid, and it seems to me that you are 6'5" and 250 that you will have a hard time simply blending into the crowd and disappearing. When I served, MPs didn't get much respect and we're called "meatheads". But let's say Reacher is a shining paragon. Why was he still a non-com if he was so brilliant?

At least the Reacher films didn't get as farcical as Remo Williams.

And setting aside blonde hair and blue eyes (which are easily corrected) it is difficult to point to an action star who is even close to 6'5" and 250. Chris Evans is ONLY 6-foot, and Scott Adkins (perhaps the most unappreciated martial-arts/action star out there) is 5'11". Gérard Butler and Hugh Jackman are 6'2". Even the Hemsworth bothers are 6'3". An open casting call might work as long as you don't get. . . Hayden Christensen (as Darth Vader).

Post: #39

Guys, the books are just escapism for an idle day at the beach. You're all taking it way too seriously!

(Plus, I have connection to LC and he's a really smart, good guy...not everyone needs to be a swaggering alpha to be worthy of respect.).

Post: #40

I see an opportunity to rant about something!

I am working hard on becoming a full time fiction author (4th novel coming out soon).

It's a tough gig, and Lee Child is pretty much at or near the top of the success pyramid. That said, the problem with most authors is that they're total blue pill chumps. You can see it in their writing and it's sickening. It comes in different flavors but it's all the same bullshit you would expect.

Strong, Independent Woman That Don't Need No Man
This Man Bad Because He Isn't Just Like Me

A (for some reason) very popular series I started to read and then stopped out of disgust has the hero in a post-apocalyptic wasteland with a fat goth girl he picked up. They're constantly having sex and throwing shitty sexual innuendo around. If you look at pictures of the author it's what you would expect: Fat, neck-bearded literally-fedora-wearing loser. And by sheer coincidence in some of the photos you can see him with a fat goth girl!

In his other series' he's got his MC doing the heroic "I won't fuck all these women that want me because it's wrong and I'm moral, but eventually I'll give in." schtick. It's pathetic. And of course he's always got the furry cat girls.

In short: They're either vanilla blue pill losers or degenerate blue pill losers. There are very few authors I could tolerate as men.

TL;DR: I hate most people and authors are no exception.

Post: #41

Who are you selling your books to? This is a wall I come up against every time I get 10 or 20k words into a story.

The vast majority of people are blue-pill chumps who don't fantasise about becoming red-pill. They fantasize about kicking the crap out of people who don't have the same core values as them.

Writing genuine red-pill fantasy only appeals to a very narrow audience. You can play tricks, for instance by making your main character blue-pill and teaming him up in some way with a red-pill character who actually gets results (Luke and Solo) but it's always going to be a massive compromise. The first time your main character openly negs a precious wahmen the white knights are going to drop a 1 star review en-masse.

The irony is that if you assumed a female pen name then you could write "romance" novels that can functionally delve into pseudo-rape-porn and you'd rake in cash hand over fist if not for the sheer glut of content in that field.

It's not beyond consideration for me to start writing shit and getting my wife to publish it under her name. Even the edgier blue-pill faggots will buy that shit "because a woman wrote it, so it's not misogyny, it's an expression of her struggle".

Post: #42

You may be right about the vast majority being blue pill, but there's definitely an audience that's sick of this shit. The bigger red pill authors than me are guys like Nick Cole and Jason Anspach, who write red pill stuff. It's not as out there as you'd think.

Nick Cole got booted from his publisher because one of his books had the AI antagonists decide to exterminate humanity in self-defense since humans were so blase about murdering their children (abortion) that they couldn't be trusted not to murder the AIs. The SJW editor at Harper Collins was so offended they dropped him. The book is great.

For me, I don't try to inject red pill themes. I just have my characters behave like I want people to behave. The men are men, the women are women. I don't introduce degeneracy even to make fun of or attack it. For instance one of the selling points I put in my marketing material is the fact that there are no harems in my books! I literally have to tell people that, and when I do some people see that as a green light to read.

And yes, if you can write degenerate schlock and have even half a brain you can make a mint. Some of the guys making tons of money are terrible writers but they market well and hit the right degenerate tropes. Female pen names with male authors are pretty common.

Post: #43

(11-18-2018 04:05 AM)Malone Wrote:  For me, I don't try to inject red pill themes. I just have my characters behave like I want people to behave. The men are men, the women are women.




(...) that there are no harems in my books!

Post: #44

Many posters have mentioned how crazy and out of touch some of the plot-lines and action scenes in the books are, and I have to agree. The first of his books I read was Tightrope and it was great, with an excellent hook-handed villain that should be in the movies or TV shows. But even here, there were warning flags that troubled me; the author claimed that Reacher grew his impressive musculature by 'digging swimming pools'. Even years ago, I queried internally why exactly this would make him massive?! Fit and lean, certainly, but not massive as he's described.

But it got worse (SPOILER-ish): In Tightrope, Reacher survives being shot in the chest, by virtue of his incredible pectoral muscle mass!! No joke, this was specifically mentioned. Reacher (like Archer!) is also freakishly good at everything (except driving a car?!; something that Cruise ignored in his films).

I kept reading the books but have found them to get progressively worse. Boring, far-fetched, sometimes just downright bizarre. Reacher is incredibly blue-pill, there's no denying it and once I started rejecting blue-pill thinking it was the death-knell of my enjoyment of his books.

There's a definite sweet-spot in his books where Child gets everything right, but once he goes off-piste things get very awry indeed. His fight scenes are preposterously described, as anyone who's even been in a schoolyard tussle will understand. Reacher seems to scientifically pre-program each and every move several steps ahead against individual bodyparts of multiple attackers (like the VATS system in the Fallout games).

I've got no knowledge of guns, but I strongly suspect Child is full of crap with his gun-talk as well in all the books.

Some years ago I happened across the following article and everything began to make sense! Basically, Lee Child was high as fuck when writing these books!;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...-dial.html

Quote:He is one of the world’s biggest-selling thriller writers, with his Jack Reacher novels so successful one is bought every two seconds.

Now author Lee Child has admitted he keeps his writing razor-sharp by working while high on cannabis and even claims that it should be made compulsory.

‘I’ve been smoking weed for 44 years, five nights a week,’ the author confessed. ‘I’m the poster boy to prove it doesn’t do you much harm.

‘I have a guy on speed dial in New York who comes over with a huge range of marijuana. I smoke it in a pipe because I’ve never been any good at rolling my own joints.’

Post: #45

Dev Patel.
It's time for an Indian Chad in Hollywood.

Post: #46

I love the books as a fun, easy, light read. Many of you guys are taking them way too seriously.

I'm a fan of Tom Cruise as an actor and I thought he acted well in the movies but the plot lines don't suit him and he is nothing like the character, Jack Reacher. Tom Cruises Jack Reacher was too clean cut.

I don't think you need someone who is an exact physical fit i.e. 6'5" and 250 pounds, but rather someone with the level of roughness, military and semi-homelessness air that he has.

For famous actors my vote goes for either Mel Gibson or Jason Satham.
I think they could both do the ageing, rough, ex-military drifter character that is Jack Reacher.

Ron Perlman would be good as well, a la his character in Sons of Anarchy.
Jon Bernthal from The Punisher Netflix series and the movie The Accountant, could also do it.

Post: #47

No fucking way do 6 foot 5 dudes willingly ride a Greyhound bus for shits and giggles....and not complain about the discomfort over and over again

Post: #48

If this guy could act and speak English, he'd be perfect for the role.

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm2747476/

Post: #49

(11-19-2018 07:20 AM)Roardog Wrote:  I love the books as a fun, easy, light read. Many of you guys are taking them way too seriously.

I'm a fan of Tom Cruise as an actor and I thought he acted well in the movies but the plot lines don't suit him and he is nothing like the character, Jack Reacher. Tom Cruises Jack Reacher was too clean cut.

I don't think you need someone who is an exact physical fit i.e. 6'5" and 250 pounds, but rather someone with the level of roughness, military and semi-homelessness air that he has.

For famous actors my vote goes for either Mel Gibson or Jason Satham.
I think they could both do the ageing, rough, ex-military drifter character that is Jack Reacher.

Ron Perlman would be good as well, a la his character in Sons of Anarchy.
Jon Bernthal from The Punisher Netflix series and the movie The Accountant, could also do it.

I concur with this. I liked many Reacher books, they are fiction so why all the hooplah with the other commentators?

Post: #50

(11-17-2018 12:57 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Now I better understand why this book was so disappointing (despite a few good literary ideas, like the devious cover-up of the making of snuff movies). It's because the author, though a talented writer, is not from the US (while setting his stories in the US), but more importantly: because he has no real law-enforcement or intelligence training.

That is why, I guess, his action scenes are somewhat off. To sum it up, in every action scene he writes, Reacher survives because he gets very lucky and everything turns into a best-case scenario for him. Each time I read an action scene in this book, I thought, wow, Reacher has a death wish, he takes incredible risks all the time, and survives mostly by sheer luck (plus violence and some half-assed planning).

So, I'm thinking, maybe our man Tom Cruise was not rejected from this role, maybe it is Tom Cruise himself who read the book, saw how mediocre it was, and refused to play a character who fucks plump age-appropriate ladies and walks dizzy-headed into incoming bullets "because the red-neck shooters have just ran and their aim is bad"?

Anyway, Tom Cruise deserves better scenarios, plus he probably noticed that John Wick is better than Jack Reacher, more entertaining, on screen.

Yes, the writer is British but he's lived in New York for many years and he has done research so why does he have to have been in the army to have written about it? He could have an army friend who could have regaled tons of stuff to him. Many times we watch films with guys having bullets flying by them and beating up tons of foreign criminals, no one sneers at the low likelihood of that so why now for Reacher? Anyway, I did think that they could have at least had someone closer to six five than Tom, the biggest feature of Jack to me was his height which was always mentioned in someone's perspective of him. No CGI could pull that off with Tom.