Post: #26

I've made millions, slain pussy and travelled the world with Stem career.

I'm no social retard... But you do have a point about lack of extraverted social skills, and zero pussy in the workplace.

Work for max cash for minimum work, and get your pussy after hours, or when you retire mid forties.

Post: #27

(11-14-2018 09:54 PM)Sooth Wrote:  I disagree with OP.

I was a straight C student all through my STEM degree. It took me 2 extra years to graduate because I hated school but I could always see a future and the light at the end of the tunnel.

3 years later I'm in meetings with government officials as an expert in my particular field.

It's all about attitude. If you're focused on the negatives as in your post you will never find success in anything you do. All the points you mentioned can be refuted with a positive aspect about what you're complaining about.

This is how medicine is. Eventually you train at a particular specialty, and the rest was exactly what you thought it was --- long drudgery and pain to get credentials in order to do something you can certainly do, but it takes time and patience. The problem in medicine, as an example, is that (I'm unsure how relevant this is in other fields) without excelling earlier here or there, it's harder to get the specialty that you might like, which literally could only be 1 or 2 among the umteen, and those likely suck big time from an interest or lifestyle point of view.

Post: #28

(11-15-2018 12:04 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I've made millions, slain pussy and travelled the world with Stem career.

I'm no social retard... But you do have a point about lack of extraverted social skills, and zero pussy in the workplace.

Work for max cash for minimum work, and get your pussy after hours, or when you retire mid forties.

the fuck? not get laid in your 20s and 30s and save till your 40s? I know some guys say they still get laid a lot at 40 but I'm not willing to take that bet. Deferred life plan.

Post: #29

OP I sense some jealousy.....

Also, why pick a major just for the girls.

This does not warrant a more detailed response.

Post: #30

(11-16-2018 09:10 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 12:04 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I've made millions, slain pussy and travelled the world with Stem career.

I'm no social retard... But you do have a point about lack of extraverted social skills, and zero pussy in the workplace.

Work for max cash for minimum work, and get your pussy after hours, or when you retire mid forties.

the fuck? not get laid in your 20s and 30s and save till your 40s? I know some guys say they still get laid a lot at 40 but I'm not willing to take that bet. Deferred life plan.

You don't appear to be responding to the post you quoted. Did you mean to quote a different post?

Post: #31

(11-16-2018 09:10 PM)jacknap Wrote:  the fuck? not get laid in your 20s and 30s and save till your 40s? I know some guys say they still get laid a lot at 40 but I'm not willing to take that bet. Deferred life plan.

Married raising kids, getting laid a lot in 20's and 30's :-)

Post: #32

I think studying STEM is worth it because let's be real - it is the one thing besides medicine you are not going to learn on your own unless you are a genius with IQ over 160.

Everything else - finances, psychology, law, languages, history, arts, music, acting, dancing, painting - you can learn this on your own using books, internet or some courses at any point in your life if your IQ is north of 100. But you will surely not learn advanced math or physics or engineering on your own. You can learn coding trough.

So if you go to study for a degree then(unless you know for sure that you want to do something specific in life and don't need any advice anyway), then study something serious that gives serious degree and also some knowledge you would not get otherwise. If you want life skills then learn on your own - it will be cheaper and more effective.

Post: #33

(11-17-2018 08:45 PM)Mage Wrote:  I think studying STEM is worth it because let's be real - it is the one thing besides medicine you are not going to learn on your own unless you are a genius with IQ over 160.

Everything else - finances, psychology, law, languages, history, arts, music, acting, dancing, painting - you can learn this on your own using books, internet or some courses at any point in your life if your IQ is north of 100. But you will surely not learn advanced math or physics or engineering on your own. You can learn coding trough.

So if you go to study for a degree then(unless you know for sure that you want to do something specific in life and don't need any advice anyway), then study something serious that gives serious degree and also some knowledge you would not get otherwise. If you want life skills then learn on your own - it will be cheaper and more effective.

Agreed...I wish I had completed my STEM degree and did not have to drop out...instead I completed economics.

Post: #34

I won't comment on whether you should have a STEM career. If it is what you want you will know.

However, I would like to point out that this is the golden age for learning STEM. When I started college, I had a slide ruler, and the next year got a calculator. The education now is incredible. You can find an answer for any technical question in minutes on the Internet with lucid explanations. Also, you can use Wikipedia to find instantly what any term means. When I was a student, I use to write down all the unknown terms and then at the end of the week go to the library, and lay out a dozen encyclopedias to find the terms. Obviously, the Internet speeds up your education by orders of magnitude.

You can also cheaply buy your own stuff to do your own experimentation. Like in electronics you have the whole Arduino environment. In Chemistry, you can download free software to see molecules in three dimension. There is also a lot of lecture material available. When Coursera was still free, I took several dozen courses, and they were all taught by top instructors in the best universities.

With the resources available today, you should be able to develop much quicker than students just a few decades ago.

Post: #35

I studied some of the worst major that people here love to hate on, and I still got a job right at the end of my degree. Pay is lousy, hovering around the average for young professionals, but the current job itself is ok, 9-5 with good colleagues and nice work-life balance.

So the OP's premise makes me laugh so hard. Any of the dude I saw in IT, they all get swarmed with job offers x2 the average salary right out of college. Some of them geeky, some of them are realy lady killers. All of them makes way more than I do with much better career opportunities.

If you want a major with cute - average girls without extra drama, go to business/finance. THe hottest girls are in foreign language classes, dance, arts but they come with huge fucking package.

But STEM is not a bad choice AT ALL, at least not in Europe.

Post: #36

Who gives a shit if it's esoteric? If work is only thing you have to tell people you're boring.

OP sounds like a guy who blames his own shortcomings on the stereotypes of STEM.
I know economists who are incel autists and very intelligent mathematicians who slay pussy. I also know people vice versa.
Blaming it on stem is a cop out.

People don't go to Universities to find girls especially in this era of sexually marketplace. You go there to get a degree.

Post: #37

For me --- working online and earning 6 figures yearly for the last few years was only made possible by my STEM (computer science) background. Getting to spend months in the 3 holy grail RVF pussy paradises of Latin America, South East Asia, and Eastern Europe. What could be better than that? And it was all enabled by learning programming (mobile app & web development specifically).

Post: #38

Going for STEM was the biggest mistake of my life! Sales ftw

Post: #39

I have a friend who was an engineer (STEM degree) and now that he is over 30 years old, switched over to sales.

Post: #40

(11-22-2018 08:50 PM)Soy Jooce Wrote:  I have a friend who was an engineer (STEM degree) and now that he is over 30 years old, switched over to sales.

I have been in STEM for the 7th year running now. Granted it's consulting in the oil/gas industry, but I still hate it and want to move to something more people oriented.

Post: #41

(11-18-2018 01:05 AM)Sherman Wrote:  I won't comment on whether you should have a STEM career. If it is what you want you will know.

However, I would like to point out that this is the golden age for learning STEM. When I started college, I had a slide ruler, and the next year got a calculator. The education now is incredible. You can find an answer for any technical question in minutes on the Internet with lucid explanations. Also, you can use Wikipedia to find instantly what any term means. When I was a student, I use to write down all the unknown terms and then at the end of the week go to the library, and lay out a dozen encyclopedias to find the terms. Obviously, the Internet speeds up your education by orders of magnitude.

You can also cheaply buy your own stuff to do your own experimentation. Like in electronics you have the whole Arduino environment. In Chemistry, you can download free software to see molecules in three dimension. There is also a lot of lecture material available. When Coursera was still free, I took several dozen courses, and they were all taught by top instructors in the best universities.

With the resources available today, you should be able to develop much quicker than students just a few decades ago.

For any STEM students reading this, this is very good advice for increasing the rate at which you will study and retain information.

Maybe slightly outdated but framing unknowns as questions, thinking about it awhile, and then looking it up is still a good habit to have, maybe better than looking stuff up immediately and then forgetting it right away since the 'significance' is gone.

I went up a whole letter grade on exams while studying about the same number of hours by doing something similar. The "split notebook" question method. The best part is that you already know what you don't know, so you study that instead of rehashing material you could have otherwise ignored. It saves time and you won't go into an exam feeling overconfident despite being (in reality) completely unprepared.

Edit: Very good thread.

Post: #42

Worth mentioning - you will succeed in STEM if you have a natural interest and flair for it.

The people I see floundering are those who are just in it for the money.

Having said that, in the IT world, there are many roles where a generic smart person could do well and earn a good rate.

Post: #43

Science and technology is obviously a good area to get into.

If you are smart enough you can start own business and work for yourself. No reason to be yet another drone within corporate culture.

Also, technically you do not need "education". Everyone (assuming enough intellect) can learn math, physics and computer skills. All you need is internet or a library.

I learned to be programmer at a time most companies still used typewriters.

Post: #44

Team STEM checking in.

My liberal arts degree did almost nothing for me. My STEM knowledge, on the other hand, opened many, many doors, and continues to affect my life positively.

STEM for the win!

Post: #45

(11-15-2018 12:04 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I've made millions, slain pussy and travelled the world with Stem career.

I'm no social retard... But you do have a point about lack of extraverted social skills, and zero pussy in the workplace.

Work for max cash for minimum work, and get your pussy after hours, or when you retire mid forties.

Pretty much.

If you get started in STEM in your teens or very early 20's, retiring in your mid 40's is totally doable. And by retiring I mean getting to a point where you no longer have to work and can focus your time on doing whatever it is you enjoy, be it travel, working on tech/science that's interesting to you, spending more time with loved ones, etc.

Post: #46

STEM means bucks. If your social skills are poor you choice of career won't make a difference. I'm not a STEM graduate, but if I had a son I would advise him to give it a serious thought.

Post: #47

I'm also super interested in the process of learning, and I can tell you that in medicine among other fields, the generational complaints of students "wanting to be spoonfed" or using different methods (videos, lectures, etc. to distill teaching points) is a huge generational difference that I recall as a youth all the way into professional environments I'm now in. I defend the younger generation in this regard --- a lot of the older guys have a tremendously annoying proclivity to "just do what we did" and don't realize how completely inefficient teaching and learning can be. I would argue that training (non-dexterity specialties) from a book point of view in medicine is at least 2 years longer than it has to be, in nearly ever specialty. For example, 1 of those years (med school being 4) in medical school could be done away with immediately.

The point of a teacher is that you have a mastery so that you can distill what the big picture is fairly easily, make sure the framework of fundamentals is recognized and understood, then mastery comes later with filling in of a LOT of details. Notice that the fundamental outline would still allow a person to do a job to a reasonable aptitude. The mastery is incorporating the details and asking questions regarding how anything really changes if different roads are taken or methods applied. That involves both creativity and efficiency. So much of modern life is a waste of time on details that don't matter. Men are particularly good at understanding that most details don't really matter, they are a focus that wastes much time and energy, re: the big picture.

Post: #48

(11-15-2018 12:04 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I've made millions, slain pussy and travelled the world with Stem career.

I'm no social retard... But you do have a point about lack of extraverted social skills, and zero pussy in the workplace.

Work for max cash for minimum work, and get your pussy after hours, or when you retire mid forties.

What is your career in?

I work in the STEM myself and it has definitely given my an advantage however what I don't like about it is that it's not so easy to be entrepreneurial with your STEM skills. I've also always worked in the academia and would like to switch to corporates (or better start my own business) to have more options and a better salary.

Post: #49

Every man has to have a mission in life. Deep inside we recognize this mission when we see it. If your mission is in engineering or programming or medicine or wherever, then that's where it is and that's what you have to do to fulfill yourself.

From Heartiste's 'Sixteen Commandments of Poon'

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III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixt...s-of-poon/

Post: #50

(11-14-2018 02:09 PM)MANic Wrote:  Pretty much M is the only sure bet in the modern economy for the average guy. I know loads of unemployed/underemployed in STE and pretty much every other field. Unemployed doctor? Never met one.

Regardless, things are tough all round and a bachelors in most respected fields isn't a sure bet these days

Just a minor nitpicking, but M doesn't stand for Medicine, it stands for Math. Also neither are suited for the average guy.