Post: #51

(11-02-2018 06:00 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 02:57 PM)flanders Wrote:  It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Quote: Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

Post: #52

^^^ Not blown away by the carnivore diet, though I do subscribe to a high fat, medium protein, low carb, zero sugar diet. Eggs, fish, avocado, and coconut are all key for me, as are green veggies. A Chinese medicine doctor I see says too much meat raises inflammation in the body. I take what she says with a grain of salt but this makes sense to me.

Post: #53

(11-02-2018 06:00 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 02:57 PM)flanders Wrote:  It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Quote: Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

I haven't eaten more than a few grams of fiber per day in years and zero grams per day in the last few weeks and shit twice daily. Sometimes three times daily, mind you these are small zero-strain deuces. Babies don't eat fiber either and take dumps probably about as frequently as people ought to.

Most people I know with high(er) fiber consumption think every two or three days is not considered irregular.
If you're young fiber can speed motility through the large intestine but this isn't always ideal either.

Dietary fat also increases motility (more effectively and without destruction to the inner membranes of the intestines) which is why it's required on a carnivore diet. You don't need fiber to take shits.

Fiber does work as a laxative but regular excretion is not some kind of disease you're born with where you must take laxatives for it to work.

If somebody were to go on a zero fiber diet and 'prove me wrong' it's likely they're going to be constipated for awhile given that regular/chronic fiber consumption (and drinking too much water) treats, causes, and worsens latent constipation much like addiction. Unbeknownst to them, they'd been constipated the whole time and require very large (usually dry) stools to trigger the nervous reflex to defecate.

Over time, and due to aging, the colon eventually weakens further and more fiber and water are required to stay regular, eventually worsening to diverticulitis (which will increase the rate of colon cancer ~3200%), pancreatitis, gallstones, kidney stones, etc; among a host of other conditions. Then they go to the doctor and are told to eat more fiber and drink more water, further worsening the electrolyte balance that is required to take regular shits and leading to drier, larger, harder stools. Tapering off slowly would be the best plan here.

Much of what is said about psyllium may be true regarding absorption of fatty acids, but recall that most necessary micronutrients are fat soluble, so any actual nutrition you hope to get from whatever you're eating would then be excreted.

I don't care if people choose to eat fiber or not, if they like getting GERD, ulcers, or straining at the shitter with bleeding hemorrhoids at 40 or 60, getting surgery for a torn anus or hernia or god knows what that's their business. It affects how much I pay in taxes and is probably a big cause behind the obesity epidemic, but I don't go griping about smokers either.

Post: #54

If you going to eat meat, pay extra and go for grass fed or organic. The amount of injection they give a cow is something to worry about. Fuck giving money to corporations that are seriously poisoning out bodies! I try to support local farmers that had real organic food.

Post: #55

(11-02-2018 06:21 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 06:00 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 02:57 PM)flanders Wrote:  It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Quote: Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

You think he looks good? lol

Post: #56

Fibre by definition is something that just goes through the body and has no nutritional value. That's it. It is not necessary or good for you to eat lots of undigestible food.

The amount of cholesterol you eat has little to no effect on the amount of cholesterol in your body, because 80% of your cholesterol is produced by your liver. If you somehow eat too much of it, the liver will produce less. If you have problems with cholesterol and your arteries, the cholesterol you are eating is not the root cause of it. Cholesterol is also what testosterone is made out of.

Red meat causing colon cancer or being hard to digest is because people cook it so damn much, it should be eaten extremely rare or raw for easier digestion. The black burnt bits on meat (as seen in the picture with Peterson's thot daughter) are carcinogenic. Obviously cooking a piece of red juicy meat into a piece of brown, tougher hard piece of meat with less moisture will be harder on your body, especially if you eat a lot it.

I think it's possible we've been lied to about nutrition to make us unhealthy and lower testosterone. I think a vegan agenda is being pushed on us, which is completely unheathy and unnatural for our body. We are much closer in design to carnivores than we are herbivores like cows with three stomachs.

Veganism is a sick unhealthy cult, no vegans are healthy. As you can see in the videos below. You can see interviews with ex vegans who have started to recover their health by going on a natural, mainly carnivore diet on the same channel.

Post: #57

(11-02-2018 07:21 PM)flanders Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 06:00 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 02:57 PM)flanders Wrote:  It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Quote: Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

I haven't eaten more than a few grams of fiber per day in years and zero grams per day in the last few weeks and shit twice daily. Sometimes three times daily, mind you these are small zero-strain deuces. Babies don't eat fiber either and take dumps probably about as frequently as people ought to.

Most people I know with high(er) fiber consumption think every two or three days is not considered irregular.
If you're young fiber can speed motility through the large intestine but this isn't always ideal either.

Dietary fat also increases motility (more effectively and without destruction to the inner membranes of the intestines) which is why it's required on a carnivore diet. You don't need fiber to take shits.

Fiber does work as a laxative but regular excretion is not some kind of disease you're born with where you must take laxatives for it to work.

If somebody were to go on a zero fiber diet and 'prove me wrong' it's likely they're going to be constipated for awhile given that regular/chronic fiber consumption (and drinking too much water) treats, causes, and worsens latent constipation much like addiction. Unbeknownst to them, they'd been constipated the whole time and require very large (usually dry) stools to trigger the nervous reflex to defecate.

Over time, and due to aging, the colon eventually weakens further and more fiber and water are required to stay regular, eventually worsening to diverticulitis (which will increase the rate of colon cancer ~3200%), pancreatitis, gallstones, kidney stones, etc; among a host of other conditions. Then they go to the doctor and are told to eat more fiber and drink more water, further worsening the electrolyte balance that is required to take regular shits and leading to drier, larger, harder stools. Tapering off slowly would be the best plan here.

Much of what is said about psyllium may be true regarding absorption of fatty acids, but recall that most necessary micronutrients are fat soluble, so any actual nutrition you hope to get from whatever you're eating would then be excreted.

I don't care if people choose to eat fiber or not, if they like getting GERD, ulcers, or straining at the shitter with bleeding hemorrhoids at 40 or 60, getting surgery for a torn anus or hernia or god knows what that's their business. It affects how much I pay in taxes and is probably a big cause behind the obesity epidemic, but I don't go griping about smokers either.

I don't know what psyllium husk is, but it doesn't sound like something that is naturally edible.

The last week (admittedly not a long enough time to draw many conclusions) I've eaten only fish ceviche (raw fish served with lime, chilli and onions and tomato), raw eggs, milk, stewed beef with some potatoes, onions and pepper, and some extremely rare beef and slightly less rare pork just now. I had a couple cups of coffee and tea too, and maybe 4-5 pints of beer. Never water, I think drinking loads of water is bullshit. I normally just drink milk or raw eggs when I'm thirsty, have been getting through 1 or 2 litres a day.

I'm not dead and digestion and going to the bathroom has been suprisingly easy and regular. I feel pretty damn good actually, so I'm going to stick to this diet for the foreseeable future.

Post: #58

If those videos gave no cues I would have guess they were gays who got pozzed at some point, not vegans. I think the push towards plant-based diets and away from meat is part of some kind of plot to make people weaker, stupider, less libidinous, always tired, and easy to control.
TLR - veganism is AIDs, guys. If you take vegans seriously you might as well take health advice from your local crack dealer.

(11-03-2018 01:08 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  I don't know what psyllium husk is, but it doesn't sound like something that is naturally edible.

The last week (admittedly not a long enough time to draw many conclusions) I've eaten only fish ceviche (raw fish served with lime, chilli and onions and tomato), raw eggs, milk, stewed beef with some potatoes, onions and pepper, and some extremely rare beef and slightly less rare pork just now. I had a couple cups of coffee and tea too, and maybe 4-5 pints of beer. Never water, I think drinking loads of water is bullshit. I normally just drink milk or raw eggs when I'm thirsty, have been getting through 1 or 2 litres a day.

I'm not dead and digestion and going to the bathroom has been surprisingly easy and regular. I feel pretty damn good actually, so I'm going to stick to this diet for the foreseeable future.

That looks like a pretty low fiber diet, potatoes (peeled) are only a few grams a serving, and agreed on the rest - drinking tons of water if you're not thirsty seems ridiculous. You drink more water, you get thirstier .. it's crazy what people do for health.

What I've been trying lately is a bit over a pound and a half of chicken and half a gallon of full fat milk using a leangains IF split - the macro breakdown is great and 50% caloric intake from protein makes ordinary people feel like badasses even if the total calories is a bit low. It's not low carb by any means (probably 100g/day from lactose, which almost everybody who doesn't destroy their gut bacteria with fiber can tolerate). If I'm lifting a lot I'll eat some honey or a fair amount of full fat yogurt with live cultures or just add more milk. Cheap as hell. Meat and milk are what's primarily in the herdsmen's diet, cheese and yogurt are fine too. I eat beef and pork at times but not very often.

Once in a great while I'll eat a "socially acceptable meal" with friends or family or eat whatever the hell I want on holidays but try to stick to anything with white bread and/or fried potatoes and this rarely causes problems. A burger with fries and maybe some cheesecake with ice cream is OK, though the carrageenan put in cheap ice cream and shakes is sometimes very bad lol.

Post: #59

(11-02-2018 09:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 06:21 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 06:00 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(11-02-2018 02:57 PM)flanders Wrote:  It's not, no. Fiber is indigestible, why would it aid in digestion? All it can do is blow up in size in the stomach (3-5x its size in volume), get jammed in the duodenum, cause gallstones or pancreatitis, and scour the inner walls of the intestines on its way out. It binds to vital micronutrients and electrolytes and cause gas and bloating.

... really? So this is one more dietary guideline that needs to be chucked away? I find I shit so much better when I take it, which fits with everything I've read on it:

Quote: Psyllium is used clinically as a bulk laxative, an agent that has laxative effects but secondary to increasing fecal size; a gentler laxative relative to chemical agents like caffeine or senna alexandrina. This bulk occurs due to water and gas absorption in the small intestines and colon to give chyme (made from digested food) more size and softness. This bulk is retained in the colon despite microflora as psyllium is poorly fermented (highly fermented fibers may be metabolized by bacteria in the colon, and water retaining properties with the fiber would be lost in this scenario).

Psyllium is proven to increase fecal size and moisture, and the most common characteristics of stool following supplementation of psyllium are 'soft, sleek, and easily passable.' Relative to other sources of dietary fiber, psyllium appears to be more effective at forming feces and appears to be one of the few fiber sources not associated with excessive flatulence.

Apparently it also lowers cholesterol by absorbing fatty acids, which may be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the individual's needs (I'll need to read up on it more). But as a laxative (which is often necessary for people who eat a lot of meat) it seems helpful. I couldn't find anything on serious risks or side effects. Also, my doctor told me to take a fiber supplement (it wasn't psyl. but a different kind) around 30 minutes prior to taking probiotics, apparently it helps your body absorb the prob.

Sorry to derail the thread, but if you're eating a lot of red meat then fiber intake may be worth thinking about.

Prepare to be blown away: http://meatheals.com

Here's the owner of the site on insta - 51 years old, 100% Carnivore @Shawnbaker1967

- I am 100% sure we have been lied to about about food products - Fiber might not be all the good we think it is.

You think he looks good? lol

You missed the part about thousands of people improving their health, everyday folks finding a practical way to live better lives - If you know people that hurt themselves going vegan you might have a different perspective.

Post: #60

The hate on fiber is silly.You need insoluble and soluble fiber to ensure a healthy gut system. Both types of fiber ensue regularly bowels and help to rid the body of junk and help to mitigate inflammation as well. Humans are not designed to eat meat heavy diets as our bodies can't process all of the flesh well. Having fiber has always been needed.

Post: #61

(11-03-2018 12:46 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Veganism is a sick unhealthy cult, no vegans are healthy. As you can see in the videos below. You can see interviews with ex vegans who have started to recover their health by going on a natural, mainly carnivore diet on the same channel.

The vegans in this video don't look so unhealthy:





Or this couple:



I already chimed in on the other vegan discussion in the EE forum (/thread-31009.html), but here goes:

I went WFPB/No Oil (Whole Foods Plant-Based) 14 months ago after a heart diagnosis. I'm healthier in every respect in my 50s. Dropped 30 pounds in two months and dropped my body fat from 18% to 12% in the same period before leveling out. I sleep so much better now (wife says freight train snoring disappeared completely -- she is ecstatic). I'm off all meds after astonishing my doctor with excellent lab results. The list of health benefits I'm enjoying is long, but I won't bore you with old man tales.

I will never judge or criticize anybody for eating meat -- I did it for 50 years and loved it -- but the vegan hate on this board by dudes who have no personal experience with it, and the nutritional bro-science being bandied about here, is just crazy. Fiber is bad for you? Come on.

Even if I manage to completely reverse my heart disease (my goal), I wouldn't go back to eating meat.

Post: #62

Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Post: #63

(11-03-2018 01:53 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Classic diets attained b12 from fermented foods. Evrey classical diet has some sort of fermented food staple. Each and every one. Fermented foods are a critical competent of the human diet and many of the modern ailments and defencies we find today is partly due to a lack or outright removal of fermented staples. The modern west diet has shunned away from fermented staples which you can guess is the reason our guts are nasty and we routinely get fucked up and sick all the time.

My stance is always to tell hardcore carnivores that remove the ease of going to a supermarket to get your meat. Try and have to place yourself to kill and prepare all of your meat. Humans were never the best hunters and used thier knowledge advantages to hack and create farm systems to cut back and the insane energy outputs needed to hunt and retrieve meat. Your burning tons of energy getting those calories in a wild setting.

Modern humans have this almost fetish idea of being a hunter but don't realize how much work it was to attain that meat. For populations that indeed have meat heavy diets thier physiology is much different with much larger bladders and an inch or so of more intestinal track to help them break down all that meat. The average Inuit that lives of a Paleo diet has much larger bladders and other physical differences that ensure they can handle thier meat heavy diets. The big bladders are needed to pass all the fucking radical crap present in meat. Inuits with thier differences to break down flesh and fats had a side effect in that it stuns their height. The Inuits are not giants with their fat and flesh diet.

I have nothing overly against meat focused diets but my take is to focus on micro nutrients and not on marcos. Each population will have a magic ratio of energy sources they find ideal, it is the micros and other foods such as fermented that needs detail and attention. The reason why plant based food (real Vegans who do dense foods) eaters do so well is that they focus on micro nutrients versus energy and supply the body with the critical items it needs to build itself up and make itself robust to be able to tackle inflammation and other ailments. Meat based diets can offer high micro attainment also but more detail is needed to enure balance of the gut and internal tracts (without this you end up hitting a wall IMO).

I'm eating a steak today.. don't think I don't like my meats.. but I'm just not sold on the hardcore carnivore diet as humans were not designed for it.

Post: #64

(11-03-2018 01:53 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Plant based or vegan? Do you eat diary?

Because if you went vegan you're not getting B12 and other vitamins that you can only get from animal products.

Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Plant-based, no dairy. I eat honey so I don't qualify as vegan. I also don't eat any oil at all, which is a main ingredient in "vegan junk food."

B12 is the only supplement I take because, yes, meat is a primary source of that specific nutrient. All other vitamins are plentiful in plants. If I was digging around in the dirt for my food like my ancestors did (instead of getting it from the supermarket), I wouldn't need the B12 supplement.

That guy in the photo with the hot vegan babe is Nimai Delgado. According to his Instagram profile, he's never eaten meat in his life, so he somehow passed the 5-10 year malnourishment test period, and I expect to as well.

https://www.instagram.com/nimai_delgado/

Post: #65

I am sure most of you don't even know where your meat comes from, there have been a lot of reports about companies using other animals and selling it as beef. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal

Yes, local sourced beef tastes a lot different than the shop bought one.

Eating raw eggs is disgusting, what is the sense in eating that. https://www.cdc.gov/features/salmonellaeggs/index.html

I love the way guys post bodybuilders that look like they spent time in Auschwtiz, to highlight the vegan diet.

I am by no means a vegan, but I don't see the benefits of eating so much meat.

Uncooked meat has a lot of parasites, the same with fish. Maybe it is me, the thought of worms in my food turns my stomach.

Once they get inside your system, it takes a lot to get rid of them.

http://www.beefresearch.ca/research-topi...rasites-50

http://theconversation.com/the-top-ten-p...food-29015

You eat what that animal ate, you better hope it was healthy to begin with.

Post: #66

(11-03-2018 10:22 AM)kosko Wrote:  The hate on fiber is silly.You need insoluble and soluble fiber to ensure a healthy gut system. Both types of fiber ensue regularly bowels and help to rid the body of junk and help to mitigate inflammation as well. Humans are not designed to eat meat heavy diets as our bodies can't process all of the flesh well. Having fiber has always been needed.

Soluble fiber isn't a huge deal, but saying that fiber is needed (for what?) is just more vegan propaganda invented by noted anti-masturbation and anti-sex crusaders Kellogg and Graham. Humans followed megafauna and ate purely carnivorous diets for thousands of years and analysis of their skeletons show a dietary composition similar to wolves. People didn't get stunted and fucked up looking teeth until agriculture happened.

Inuit are stunted for different reasons having more to do with the cold than diet lol.

I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of it since wherever you're getting your information from is probably some granola momma. Go read a book that has citations and then get a job doing anything agricultural. If you haven't killed animals and butchered them for even one two-week paycheck, or raised something birth to death and ate it then go expand your horizons and see how much easier it is for animals to do the work of feeding you than digging up the earth and feeding yourself by the sweat of your brow.

Post: #67

The exception proves the rule. Pointing out 1 jacked vegan is meaningless. A vegan diet is terrible for testosterone and muscle.

I would agree that eating grass feed beef and other quality sources is a good idea, but unless you are eating highly processed meat by the pound i doubt it is anywhere close to the worst thing you are doing.

Post: #68

(11-03-2018 01:53 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  Give it 5 or 10 years those people will be malnourished. Vegan body builders normally build their body first, go vegan afterwards. I don't know these guys story and how much they're supplementing with steroids, testosterone and other things.

Correct, it's always the same story with this young vegan bodybuilders.

Quote: In 2015, Nimai decided to transition from being a vegetarian to vegan. He cut out all of the dairy, eggs, and other animal products from his diet to become a 100% vegan.

Post: #69

I eat steak everyday, there really isn't any food as satisfying, or as healthy.

We evolved eating meat, and it's what we are meant to be eating.

Post: #70

Complete BS

Post: #71

@rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

Post: #72

(11-04-2018 08:25 PM)Not a Second Hander Wrote:  @rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

Filling up a big freezer with wild game meat and fish isn't actually all that difficult, obviously it takes some skill as you have to learn how to shoot and cast a line, it also takes a bit of money to buy the equipment but overall, it is a very worthwhile investment. I recommend hunting and fishing to any guy out there who wants to learn a valuable life skill, there's nothing like hauling in a big fish and then cooking it up on a BBQ or shooting a deer and eating the meat for several months.

If you don't know anyone who hunts and fishes, just look up local fish and game association or hunting forums and find people local to your area and tell them that you're interested in hunting and fishing. Most guys would enjoy having someone come along, it's extra help dragging a dead animal out of the woods or helping gut fish. If you become friends with dudes who have boats, ATVS and cabins then you'll have an awesome time.

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Older guys may be familiar with the name of Stuart McRobert, who wrote the books "Brawn" and "Beyond Brawn". He was vegetarian, who decided to go the whole hog, and become a vegan. He soon gave it up as a bad job, as his training suffered badly as a result of not consuming dairy products.

Post: #74

(11-04-2018 08:25 PM)Not a Second Hander Wrote:  @rudebwoy,

word on the street is that you're a very fit jacked guy in his late 40s. How do you maintain such a physique without much meat. What does your diet look like?

@kosko

thank you for that post. I laugh at modern western urban dwellers fetishizing hunting with paintings of jacked, bearded men hunting mammoths on their Twitter feeds.

The fact is that until the advent of firearms, most "hunting" actually involved setting up traps. Not as sexy. Meat has always been supplemental in the human diet and like you said, I'd like to see how many of these strict carnivore badasses will fare if they had to wake up every morning trying to take down an animal that is likely bigger, stronger, faster, more aggressive and has a better sense of smell & hearing.

As for diets, no one knows anything. Only diet I adhere to is avoidance of processed food and seed oils.

I have been in the gym for 20 years and built up a good base. When you reach my age it is all about keeping trim and most important the belly down.

At least 3-4 days a week I have meatless day. A big lunch with all the hippy food like quinoa, couscous, lentils, beets, kale, chickpeas etc. Greens and veggies help me have glorious shits, it is common for me to go twice a day.

Greens and veggies are good for the dick, that alone does it for me.

At night, I will eat a lot of peanuts in the shell.

My weakness is that I have a big sweet tooth, if I could cut that out then I probably would have a 6 pack instead of a 4.

Meat is hard on your system, your body has to work hard to break it down. It stays in your system for up to 3 weeks, it also creates mucus in your body.

I don't touch dairy, maybe once in awhile I do some egg whites. My body is sensitive towards dairy and I am lactose intolerant.

I eat chicken and fish once a week, like others have stated I pay extra for the organic grass fed stuff.

Steel cut oats for breakfast/lunch.

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Fiber is bad and useless, don't drink water, just drink tons of milk, eat raw meat, fish, eggs, don't eat veggies, all carnivore diet is healthy and that's how we evolved...

Damn, all this advice is so terribly bad and wrong, I hope no one listens to this. People that espouse craziness like this are as bad as the crazy vegans.

Rudebwoy's diet is a good one to take ideas from and adapt to your specific needs.