Post: #51

(10-25-2018 10:35 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 06:17 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Don't know about Mexico but from my experience most of the strippers are not also whores on the side. The most beautiful ones don't really need that, the suckers who go to strips pay fortunes just to chat with them, and nurture the hope they will become their boyfriends. Whether whore or not, just don't invest much emotionally, and in any case you really don't seem much delighted with her personality considering your first post...

The not knowing Mexico part is a massive factor, maybe where you're from it's the exception but Mexico is the rule if anywhere in the world is, stripping in Mexico is literally prostitution.

Don't really know anything about Mexico. I can tell you for sure that in Lisbon, and by the way also London, it does not work that way. But sure, many strippers are manipulative and dangerous girls, and many of them may be prone to sugar daddy schemes and other deals on the side, in particular with the guys they met while working.

Post: #52

(10-25-2018 05:42 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 02:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 06:17 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Don't know about Mexico but from my experience most of the strippers are not also whores on the side. The most beautiful ones don't really need that, the suckers who go to strips pay fortunes just to chat with them, and nurture the hope they will become their boyfriends. Whether whore or not, just don't invest much emotionally, and in any case you really don't seem much delighted with her personality considering your first post...

Cool story, bro.

You're the sucker if you believe that the majority of them aren't whores.

You really think a girl that gets naked or almost naked and rubs herself all over men that she finds disgusting (mostly) and quickly drains them of all their money isn't a whore? You really think she's never jerked a dude off in the VIP or sucked a guy off for a little spending cash or strung along some old dude and only banged him here and there to keep him dropping fat stacks of cash on stuff for her or just directly?

Come on.

Too much hate in you, there is.

AO was being a bit harsh but he's not wrong. I've known a fair amount of strippers in my day and a lot of them go on "dates" with their "clients" outside of work for some extra cash. Some of them are bankrolled and given allowances by high roller Johns. A lot of them will also turn tricks in VIP booths and shit like that. Not all, but I'd say most. A lot of the hottest strippers are straight up amateur (or even pro) porn actresses.

The behind the scenes of these girls is very far from glamorous. They are all damaged and usually have drug problems.

Post: #53

(10-25-2018 10:47 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  The behind the scenes of these girls is very far from glamorous. They are all damaged and usually have drug problems.

I also believe sex workers are consummate liars. When you get brought into their inner-circle what they're doing is putting you into this fuzzy zone where you're both a friend AND a client. In order to keep the engagement/money flowing the best way is to share intimate details but embellish them in ways that maximizes the urge to simp. All women looking for providers spin their narrative to some extent, but this is the ultimate form of the beast. So beyond the lack of respect, you'll always have trust issues. If she says she's broke and can't go dutch or she's one step away from getting evicted or some other crisis that requires you to help you'll always suspect it's a scam. Even when it isn't a scam, that suspicion will be there which really gets in the way of forming a true connection, or you feel like the only reason you're around is to be an ATM. And they are human beings and on some level I'm sure they want a connection but once they fall into that box then it becomes a prison. It's dysfunctional and codependent and the women and the men represent sort of two sides of the same pathetic coin. The only way to fix that is to GTFO of the profession and anything and anyone associated with it.

Post: #54

(10-23-2018 11:47 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 03:02 AM)speculator Wrote:  Dual citizen strippers are very common in California. There is a famous strip club in Tijuana, called Hong Kong, where many of the "exotic dancers" have a dual citizenship. These hos fucked more men than you have shook hands with. Pump and dump.

HAHA good old HK.

A guy I know is dating a girl from there.

I don't get how he compartmentalizes it, she's even got a kid.

He told me she has a "business" that wasn't doing well/in the early stages and she's stacking cash to get the fuck out of HK.

He doesn't have any reason to lie though, dudes a chad thundercock with looks and is jacked.

Wow, Hong Kong is a blast from the past. I used to stumble into there or Chicago Club or Adelitas after a night out in TJ. In fact I lost my drivers license and ATM card at Adelitas one night and had to drunkenly explain to border security that I was an American citizen but I lost my ID in a strip club/brothel. This was pre 9/11 so they let me through. Can't see that happening today.

But your friend knows that there is literally a hotel on top of the Hong Kong where guys can take strippers for a "lap dance" in room that has a bed and shower?

Post: #55

Oh of course he knows, but he hangs out at her place instead.

Dude's definitely a player, looks good, has his shit together, and runs through girls.

But got stuck on this hooker - we even had the convo about her fucking other dudes

"Dude it's just business man, I don't care and I"m doing my own thing"

Whatever that hamster says.

Post: #56

(10-26-2018 10:20 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(10-25-2018 10:47 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  The behind the scenes of these girls is very far from glamorous. They are all damaged and usually have drug problems.

I also believe sex workers are consummate liars. When you get brought into their inner-circle what they're doing is putting you into this fuzzy zone where you're both a friend AND a client. In order to keep the engagement/money flowing the best way is to share intimate details but embellish them in ways that maximizes the urge to simp. All women looking for providers spin their narrative to some extent, but this is the ultimate form of the beast. So beyond the lack of respect, you'll always have trust issues. If she says she's broke and can't go dutch or she's one step away from getting evicted or some other crisis that requires you to help you'll always suspect it's a scam. Even when it isn't a scam, that suspicion will be there which really gets in the way of forming a true connection, or you feel like the only reason you're around is to be an ATM. And they are human beings and on some level I'm sure they want a connection but once they fall into that box then it becomes a prison. It's dysfunctional and codependent and the women and the men represent sort of two sides of the same pathetic coin. The only way to fix that is to GTFO of the profession and anything and anyone associated with it.

I completely agree with this. But I still think however that there is an important distinction to make: from my experience they tend to be much less manipulative when they meet you in the "real world" than at work. They also need to have a romantic life, feel emotionally attached to guys, and take a break from their uber manipulative work.

I am really not looking forward to dating a stripper, and would not recommend that to anyone, but I can't agree with the forum members view that "stripper = whore".

Post: #57

(10-23-2018 06:17 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Don't know about Mexico but from my experience most of the strippers are not also whores on the side.

Are you serious?

Post: #58

LOL The hottest woman I ever met was an early 30s yo feline sexy ultra feminine Portuguese Italian light white skinned blonde from Providence Rhode Island - Did I meet her at the world famous Gulliver's Tavern (Name on expense receipts from the Epic Foxy Lady in Providence which perfected friction Lap Dancing of course 100% nude no pasties).

The answer would be NO...

We met at my buddies wedding at the old Mansion they Rent out by the bay near the Newport Polo Club Grounds - upscale to say the least - She was dressed from neck to ankle to wrist fully covered in a knit tight gown and had every guy in the place hiding wood from their wives/girlfriends. Especially when she was dancing very sensual and sexy even dressed covered from neck to toe.

So I see her and some mega sexy younger friends of hers in a Theatre District Club I had on lock that one of my wealthy orbiters liked to hang around at for my "connected" aura of security at that time not to mention sexy tipsy young female club stragglers at the end of the night around 2AM for a ride to his hotel of choice in his newly leased jag as a biz writeoff.

I had our cocktail waitress send her a round of Cosmos for her and her friends and to have the cocktails waitress tell her that "Duca Leoncini" (my connected name at that time) requests a Dance with her. She comes over to our table and I introduce her to the Club Owner/his Lead Promoter GM and then we dance a couple of very sexy dances with her and her younger sexy female friends - I was actually quite attracted to her younger slender brunette friend whose perfect ass cheeks moved like they were kung fu phocking - saying come into me...

Anyway after some small talk I find out she bought a small building on a primary road and opened her own hair salon and small beauty newsletter in North Providence RI so I get her number and take her out to an upscale hotel and dinner in Providence and after some more small talk find out she made her coin by working as a Stripper at the infamous SCORES in NYC which has more write-ups online than Trump does.

So wait a couple days and bring a decent bottle of Red and White over to her Apartment and one thing leads to another she is about to mount me on top Cowgirl style after we give each other quite sensual massages, full wood, her wet and hot and all...

So she asks matter of factly as she is about to Ride the Stallion what kind of sex do I like... I matter of factly said, "Married Sex"...

She was shocked - I said we can have sex when we get a marriage license and see the JP for a service... that I was going to keep her inseminated for a few years until we have a few stunning kids like her and brilliant kids like me... She was not used to that sort of rejection.

A lot of wealthy men kept her as a side piece and spinning plate FWB - she actually owned the building debt free she built into her Beauty Salon and had some very hot employees and customers. I was stunned she did not party away all that cash up her and her slut friends noses - she was one of the few that saved her cash. Exception to the rule actually.

This was at a high point in my personal alpha masculine and business power and I had a real abundance GAFLess mentality and it was my way or the highway - outside of an occasional glass of wine - no smoking or drugs with her at all but she would bring me my favorite scotch and cigar on the balcony in summer.

Did I lose my fucking mind though I maintained some semblance of Red Pill frame... hell yes... I told her she had two weeks to book time for the Marriage License and JP Ceremony and we would work out better logistics once we bought a decent house. Of course, I had the old military adage about marriage drilled into my mind due to the constant cliche of Dear John letters when away on long deployments - So you want to get married - OK find a woman who hates your guts then Buy and Give her a House!

Anyways she was processing the shock that someone would actually have the ballz to treat a Lady like a Whore and a Whore like a Lady... that she did not schedule the License and JP. Though every time she sees me since she jumps into my arms with a big hug approaching simulated sex.

Then I decided what if I had all daughters with her was I OK with them eventually working their way through life at places like the Foxy Lady or Scores et. al. Providence being the Strip Club stealth Brothel center of New England. So reluctantly I came to my damned Red Pill senses - but the temporary insanity left some epic memories. I did not turn an epic hot Ho into a housewife but not for a lack of really trying!

Post: #59

Goddamn Deep Diver just came in a nuked this thread, silent but deadly, nothing more needs to be said. I'd +1 you again.

Post: #60

Wow. Like Naz once said, "... you'll find gold mines in these lines." The perfect mix of truth, knowledge, and comedy. Now added to my 'All-Time Favorite Threads' list.

Nice job, gentleman.

Post: #61

(10-26-2018 03:58 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 06:17 AM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  Don't know about Mexico but from my experience most of the strippers are not also whores on the side.

Are you serious?

Yes. However I never met strippers fromlow end clubs in Tijuana and the sort, so we are probably talking about different subjects.

Post: #62

Post: #63

Awesome story Deepdiver. I have heard tales of Providence (Rhode Island) being sort of an underground Sin City along the Northeast Corridor. If I'm ever back in the Northeast (NYC or Boston), is it worth taking the train ride out to Providence to check out the nightlife and/or strip clubbing (I guess since the town is known for it?)

Just wondering, since I doubt the area attracts too many out of towners besides folks passing through along the corridor or along I-95.

Post: #64

Keep on the side, that is what they are meant for.

I am "talking" to a dancer right now, I am trying to get her to be my side dish.

She wants to be the main dish, sadly I might have to let that one go.

Post: #65

When girls ask me what I do for a living, I always say that I'm an stripper/exotic dancer. It's not only good for building sexual tension, the face they usually make is also good for lulz... Maybe she was just gaming you.

Post: #66

(10-27-2018 05:03 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  Awesome story Deepdiver. I have heard tales of Providence (Rhode Island) being sort of an underground Sin City along the Northeast Corridor. If I'm ever back in the Northeast (NYC or Boston), is it worth taking the train ride out to Providence to check out the nightlife and/or strip clubbing (I guess since the town is known for it?)

Just wondering, since I doubt the area attracts too many out of towners besides folks passing through along the corridor or along I-95.

One word - Absophukinglutely... Hit up the Foxy Lady which does more biz than a popular Vegas strip club with over 1,000 cars, Multiple Bachelor Parties a dozen full-sized Coach buses and dozens of Limos on a given Friday or Saturday so girls work it Harder on off days Thursdays or Sundays...... Classic gentlemen's club but big with two floors, jello wrestling and about 200 of the hottest girls south of Montreal. Boston and visiting Sports legends known to keep a low profile a short drive out of town in Providence at Foxy Ladies enjoying their VIP Bottle Lounge with Mo Vaughn a notorious regular when he played with the Red Sox. Management has several Northeast locations now and knows not to Phock Up a good thing none of the get VPs snot slinging blue face drunk and calling to see if a $25K tab will clear their Corporate Cards like Scores NYC corrupt GMs got prosecuted for just enjoy yourself - get a few friction dances and game on.

Not into P4P but Google Providence and Prostitution - was actually legal several years ago where due to state house machinations it wound up technically legal and then they came to their senses only for the multiple Gentlemen's Clubs to pick up in demand afterward.

Remember Providence is halfway - an hour or so drive from New London (Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun but with no Gentlemen's Clubs), Hartford, Newport Yachting City Zillionaires and of course Metro Boston - all with Red Hot booming economies and Providence Quietly the Gentlemen's Clubs capital with plenty of College Students paying their tuition and living expenses with Friction Dances. Not too hard to game a chick already grinding her ass and polishing your wood to a fine honed hard one.

A CPA I knew loved to do the Triple Fox - Foxy Lady on Friday night then Drive down to Foxwoods Saturday Morning and then back to Foxy Lady for Saturday Night.

Try not to buy too many of their $30 Foxy Lady T-Shirts only 3X overpriced... yeah I have a few - amazing the dumb crap hot stripper tang can get you to buy.

Just tell her "I have no need for T-Shirts unless you are going to come to my hotel with me and wear it as your nightgown!"

Enjoy.

https://www.foxyladyri.com/

Post: #67

She's pretending not be a prostitute.

Post: #68

(10-26-2018 03:46 PM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  I am really not looking forward to dating a stripper, and would not recommend that to anyone, but I can't agree with the forum members view that "stripper = whore".

Stripper, whore, it's all just degrees on the same spectrum. Nobody's denying that they're still human beings, but nobody's entitled to anything in the dating game. Getting close to another human being is a privelege, not a right or an obligation.

There is a social pecking order whether we like it or not and a stripper is not the type of woman you bring home to mother. The only way to do that is to either fabricate a false backstory or mount some sort of carefully crafted white-knight victimization rationalization. Neither is something the typical guy wants to have to do. That sort of inner-dialogue of "gee, how would I introduce her" starts even before you decide to get with someone. That's how you sort the bootycalls from the keeper material.

Even for women who leave that lifestyle behind, having dirty little secrets to keep concealed as you meet people is no fun. The ex-stripper nurse I briefly dated was actively going to therapy to work over these sorts of issues, and when she finally told me the truth, she was bracing for the likely rejection. She liked me but I was a family guy and she knew I would never be able to fit in with that wholesome frame. She wound up marrying some FOB african guy who probably didn't have any family in the US. And that's only women for whom this activity is in the past-tense, let alone present.

(BTW, my own cousin used to strip for a while and her life is now a complete trainwreck in ways I don't even care to tell. But the stripping is usually only a symptom of problems that start much earlier in life.)

Post: #69

(10-29-2018 07:54 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 03:46 PM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  I am really not looking forward to dating a stripper, and would not recommend that to anyone, but I can't agree with the forum members view that "stripper = whore".

Stripper, whore, it's all just degrees on the same spectrum. Nobody's denying that they're still human beings, but nobody's entitled to anything in the dating game. Getting close to another human being is a privelege, not a right or an obligation.

There is a social pecking order whether we like it or not and a stripper is not the type of woman you bring home to mother. The only way to do that is to either fabricate a false backstory or mount some sort of carefully crafted white-knight victimization rationalization. Neither is something the typical guy wants to have to do. That sort of inner-dialogue of "gee, how would I introduce her" starts even before you decide to get with someone. That's how you sort the bootycalls from the keeper material.

Even for women who leave that lifestyle behind, having dirty little secrets to keep concealed as you meet people is no fun. The ex-stripper nurse I briefly dated was actively going to therapy to work over these sorts of issues, and when she finally told me the truth, she was bracing for the likely rejection. She liked me but I was a family guy and she knew I would never be able to fit in with that wholesome frame. She wound up marrying some FOB african guy who probably didn't have any family in the US. And that's only women for whom this activity is in the past-tense, let alone present.

(BTW, my own cousin used to strip for a while and her life is now a complete trainwreck in ways I don't even care to tell. But the stripping is usually only a symptom of problems that start much earlier in life.)

Yes, we are on the same page... I would in 99% of cases not consider strippers as relation material for the reasons you outlined and that I have mentioned also above. It's just important to stress that many are not necessarily whores, in the strict meaning of the word (at least in the countries I've been, and of course it depends on the type of place they're working). This point is important for me: I would not bang a whore, but could consider to bang a stripper if given the chance.