Post: #26

(10-12-2018 05:32 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

Quote:I once was in Latvia...I was gaming this 28 year old HB7 Blond Latvian girl.

Is this a dataset of one?

Actually, I tried the "I'm developping a cool App, I'm going to be filthy rich" on three girls so far. I received everytime a spectacular increase of interest from their part.

I say it always during a conversation where I tell them I don't want to be a wage cuck slave on a big corporation and that I want to be my own boss.

They all seem to like that

Quote:Giving the impression of having resources is extremely important.
Girls are deeply attracted to that.

Did you come up with this after analyzing your dataset of one?

I guess it depends on the economy of the country. Flashing a hundred dollar bill in Somalia gets you laid rather quickly I'd imagine. Doing the same thing in an European country has entirely different results.

However, the idea that money is in any way shape or form required to get laid is nonsense. In many cases it even makes it more difficult. Girls are not attracted to money.

I am average in terms of look. I am a 6 and I am 5"11.
My game is average and I lift natty.

I need a small extra edge with showing these girls that I am a potential future wealthy guy.

Post: #27

mehdreamer Wrote:...

Alright. This is a dataset of four. Still not enough data.

That said; being enthousiastic and excited about something IS attractive. Talking about something you think is awesome in an exciting and interesting way will get her attention. That you want to be your own man and don't want to be a corporate slave are good qualities. Even dreaming about becoming rich one day can be considered an attractive quality.

However, this has very little to do with money. You could talk in an exciting way about your rock collection or how much you enjoy snail watching and you get a similar result.

Quote:I am average in terms of look. I am a 6 and I am 5"11.
My game is average and I lift natty.
I need a small extra edge with showing these girls that I am a potential future wealthy guy.

All other guys think the same thing: "If only I had more money to impress this girl." The whole point of Game is to teach you another way. A way much more effective than showing off your wealth.

The reason your game s*cks is because you do not practice it. Go approach a 1000 girls.

Post: #28

Quote:I speak no Spanish-nor do I want to speak it because I don't like the language. I have neither the time nor inclination to try to get into social circles.

So you're living in a country where you have no friends, and on top of that don't speak the local language. And for some reason you think wearing basketball jerseys anywhere outside of a gym is an acceptable sartorial choice for a fully grown man.

You'd see far better returns investing your time into dressing like an adult, learning the local language and making some friends than with running this bizarre Indecent Proposal game

Post: #29

(10-12-2018 05:46 AM)Montrose Wrote:  Nothing beats a 100 dollar bill folded around a thick stack of 1 dollar bills, inside a gold-plated money clip, which you whip out to pay the check.

It pays to stand out from the crowd. Right now the crowd pays with plastic. So, a sharp money clip and cash, regardless of if it is all 100's, maybe a couple of 100's and then 20's so that you see another 100 under the one you pay with, will make you really stand out from the crowd.

Post: #30

Most women have almost no concept of money. You'd be shocked by how deep this runs. Showing her numbers to convince her you're rich is fool's game, even if you really are rich.

Just throw around some vague bullshit about "consulting" and have "meetings" and "business dinners" at odd hours to leave room for other plates, wear something recognizably expensive whenever you're going casual (my Hugo Boss bit loafers with jeans and a t-shirt work surprisingly well on flight attendants), carry a Platinum card, and pull a couple of stunts out of your ass like using a black car service for no apparent reason or getting a table at a place that's full.

Think the pilot of the new "Jack Ryan" series on Amazon, where he meets a woman at a party and tries to cover up his CIA career with a fake story about auditing receipts at the State Department, then unexpectedly gets picked up in a Coast Guard chopper.

There's no reason to feed her specific lies. Just be upwardly incongruous and let her fill in the blanks with whatever she wants. Maybe she daydreams that you're actually a pirate-assassin. What does that even mean? Are you a pirate who assassinates non-pirates, or a non-pirate who assassinates pirates? Let her worry about that. What matters is that as far as she knows, you're richer and cooler than she ever hoped and your game is so tight that she needs to work her ass off to impress you. Don't do something stupid and screw that up and she'll game herself into a frothy lather for you.

Post: #31

^This is it in a nutshell.

Got a girl playing the Seeking Arrangements game (would suggest the private thread on it), and I gave her that impression by just saying "I work at an investment fund" and "I made 35% in the market over 2017." From there, my good fashion sense and general bougie attitude helped sell the lie.

You could also just give the following lie - "I bought $6,000 worth of Bitcoin when it was $100 per coin and sold all my Bitcoin at the top of the market when it was $18,000 a coin" (I hope you'll do the simple math to see that such a transaction would net you more than $1,000,000...).

Post: #32

(10-12-2018 11:11 AM)Jetset Wrote:  Most women have almost no concept of money. You'd be shocked by how deep this runs. Showing her numbers to convince her you're rich is fool's game, even if you really are rich.

Very true. On the other hand I was talking to a RVF member about this yesterday, i.e. the advantages of "real" money game. Having a table/bottle service at a club is useful if you already have good game and a good crew. Being able to invite a girl to an afterparty on a yacht or offering to fly private to another party can be very effective for certain types of women.

That being said the kind of women this works on aren't really quality other than superficial looks and they spend most of their time posting to social media or trying to play you. I'd suggest avoiding real or fake money game and simply try to build attraction. When you hookup with someone that's only with you for your money (real or imagined) it's nothing like when they're with you because they're truly attracted to you.

Post: #33

(10-12-2018 12:01 PM)Gringuito Wrote:  

(10-12-2018 11:11 AM)Jetset Wrote:  Most women have almost no concept of money. You'd be shocked by how deep this runs. Showing her numbers to convince her you're rich is fool's game, even if you really are rich.

Very true. On the other hand I was talking to a RVF member about this yesterday, i.e. the advantages of "real" money game. Having a table/bottle service at a club is useful if you already have good game and a good crew. Being able to invite a girl to an afterparty on a yacht or offering to fly private to another party can be very effective for certain types of women.

Oh, I'm all for abusing perks, posturing, and status.

I'm just saying that trying to straight-up tell her you're "rich" by showing her an account balance, or anything along those lines, is pointless. They usually have no conceptual grasp of the differences those numbers. Show, don't tell, and realize that to most women outside of busy metros, you look pretty well-to-do if you have a new car and don't have to put water in the shampoo bottle to get the last of it out before you throw it away.

If anything, letting numbers slip will just give her a goal to shoot for in terms of how much to squeeze out of you. Don't let that happen.

Post: #34

Flashing your bank account will make you come across as a "try-hard". Unless she's a complete bimbo she'll be able to pick up on the ruse you're employing. Proper rich people don't need to be so overt about showcasing their wealth. It would probably set alarm bells off in her head. That kind of behavior is not congruent with a truly wealthy person.
Worth a go a though...

Post: #35

"Fake money game". So anti-game. Basically every upper lower or middle class person in the entire world is trying to pull.

"Look at my brand new Chrysler 300". It's fuckin leased, and in 6 months you won't be able to afford the payments. Same with your new 3 bedroom house on the outskirts of town.

Everyone can see right through this bullshit and it reeks of insecurity. Best just to own up to your financial position, if you have dreams cool, if you're working t'word a goal cool.

Girls that will like you for flossing are gonna test the shit out of you, be hard to deal with, and split the second you don't buy appetizers (which you can't afford).

It's an advanced level game tactic to do correctly and if you're asking about it or using it as a primary means to attract women you're setting yourself up for failure. Check out then SA threads, there's good info there. Some people have pulled off some impressive shit

Post: #36

Fake money "Game" works - or rather it can supplement your Game, because it's just lying.

I knew a guy who bought himself a fake Ferrari replica and lied to girls about being a millionaire. Of course it all came out if he stuck around longer, but I really cannot blame the guy.

And I talked with some of his exes - they were pissed off a bit, but not too much since he wasn't bad looking, took some steroids and was muscular. Maybe if were a fat disgusting blob, then they would be more pissed, but getting banged by a muscular 7-looking man wasn't such a big deal. One girl was later pissed about him lying to her, but not that much.

You can check out the SA - Seekingarrangement thread.

Though obviously faking money works always much better when you know the basics of Game - self-confidence, you are somewhat in shape, have your style down, know some banter and seduction.

I once saw on TV some German millionaire who went into night clubs with his butler and bodyguards, then let his butler go around the club with a bank balance - it said 5 mio. EUR on it. The girls looked at that and you visibly saw many of them get flustered. The butler explained that his boss over there saw her and would like to know her better, as proof of his wealth he is showing you his bank balance.

Though I hardly think that it works for quick seduction - it might result in the girls clamping down on the pussy to appear more marriage-worthy.

Post: #37

Welcome to the forum but I am going to go straight for the jugular and state upfront, there is nothing veteran about this.

I ain't interested in pointing out the discrepancies in who you claim to be so I will focus on the question itself and let the discrepancies come to light themselves.


a) If you have that kinda money in the bank (liquid), girls will already know if you have money or not. They aren't good at calculating how much but they know if you have money or not. To them, it's a red flag and you're qualifying. Any man with actual money is doing his best to hide it. Fuckable guys with money are stylish and have a presence when they walk in the room. New money, desperate guys are wearing GUCCI and in-your-face look-at-me kinda clothing and can't command shit. Not fuckable.


b) Chances are if you're in an environment where you get a five-minute CHAT with a single 8+, in the Western world, it's probably somewhat opulent and high-end that your money doesn't matter. It's cancelled out i.e. you can't use it as leverage so it wouldn't really matter as much.


c) 'let's fly to x y z and hot girl must come with me' -> you really need to ensure you have the attraction and boxes ticked. Even so, it's illogical to propose this before hand. You would propose this after sex when you have properly screened and she has also screened you. No one in their right mind would do this unless it's P4P. This is without even showing your bank account which will set you back further. She will withhold that pussy. Girls think I got money on the regular and try and put up all sorts of barriers because they know all their power is in their pants. This is where game comes in. Money opens doors and gives options but makes you vulnerable to getting played. These girls can detect your bullshit.


d) This shit happens ALL the time and these guys aren't getting laid. Dudes who HAVE money showing their bankrolls.

I know 3 girls who work at a bar here, the local edition of Hooters. They have a WhatsApp group (of 9 of them) specifically to share pictures of guys/dick pics/funny tinder encounters and the guys who have money literally just showcase that.

Bank accounts, flashy lifestyles and all that shit. Sometimes it works but it mostly doesn't. They will always go on a first date to suss the guy out and do their homework prior.

This is why I think social media works (for me too) because the FIRST thing they do is go stalk you on social media. They know the game and want to ensure it's valid because such behaviour is just asking to get played and if you have power you know the drill to not mention this. (yes congurence etc.)

With all women, it's more about access to cool shit that money provides as opposed to the money itself. Which is why you showing them your bank account is not sexy yet you sipping a pina colada on a Cuban beach with a friend is powerful.

You will attract gold diggers this way and that's fine if you can handle them (veteran game..?).

The actual ballers I know don't post this shit on IG. I posted a pic of me flying business and they all scolded me for it. The girls in my DMs who came out of the woodwork were all after 1 thing too.

The guys with money take pictures with other individuals who have high status because the money is taken for granted, it's as normal as wiping your ass. They focus on memories not materials. It's the circles you roll with.

The girls from above (21 - 24) would send the bank account pictures around and laugh, it's thirsty. I would be at the bar and they would come and show me random photos like this.

On SM, girls are actually thinking about:
- who took the photo
- who is he with? (go on a social media stalk for 30 minutes)
- how regularly does he do this

etc etc.


e) Getting a 5-minute chat with an 8+ is not feasible or easy for someone with beginner-level game. Intermediate perhaps but beginner? Maybe if shes your sisters friends or some shit. No one is approaching 1000s of 8s per year unless you're a promoter in Ibiza, photographer or model in certain places (Mauritius etc.), bouncer in a club in Moscow or running in circles in any elite city where you're a socialite going out 5/7 days a week. And even then you're being introduced or approached. You're not approaching.



You wanna spend some money on a fake bank website? Just build a website with a fake lifestyle, stating you're some kind of performance/lifestyle coach or some shit to the elite. It's vague but drops enough bait for the girls to fill in the blanks. Otherwise get a fake business card and hand it out. Even better, you're connected in the modelling world. Talent Scout. You don't need any skills or a portfolio or jack shit.

Hell, why not just travel around with a bunch of photos of yourself and mates and get an airbnb, then put the photos up and when she comes over, you can say its one of your 14 apartments around the world?

This is just off the top of my head.

And no, girls won't be repeat customers because hot girls have amazing bullshit detectors. Hot girls usually have hot mothers who know the game and trained them. You wanna go around and arbitrate hotties who have no money, then go for it.

It's 2018 and if women are hot, they know it and are actively seeking out to maximize their gains.... with guys who only have money and no self-esteem.

Mediterranean girls don't respond to this shit because they have 'big fish in a small pond' syndrome. Money matters to an extent but it's more about status and WHO you are. 3mln EUR vs 33mln EUR makes no difference. I don't care if you got bottle service because I know the owner already, etc.


I think this is a stupid idea (waste of energy/time) but if you could actually harness it then you could make it something despite the low ROI %.

- fake online portfolio of you (not bank account) -> online CV
- airbnb revamp into something 'modest' but believable -> validity
- traps to let their imagination fill in the gaps -> any liar worth their salt knows that the less you let out, the better so let her assume the shit
- you have to qualify them hard, not propose to take them on some unicorn adventure simply because they are hot. If you're who you say you are, you got bitches camping outside your 14 apartments in the world
- stop wearing basketball jerseys

All I am saying is that if you really were this baller, you wouldn't need to tell people about it. Same way that if you fuck elite women, you don't announce it to people, you're seen out with these women. If you have tight game, guys ask you because they notice, not because you inform them.

Read Hooligan Harry's posts on this forum. He breaks down the science behind this and how women view money pretty well.

@Gringuito, welcome back.

Post: #38

I am amazed how patient you are Noir, respects to you my friend.
I think this resumes the reason this strategy wouldn't work at all.

(10-13-2018 04:19 AM)Noir Wrote:  All I am saying is that if you really were this baller, you wouldn't need to tell people about it. Same way that if you fuck elite women, you don't announce it to people, you're seen out with these women. If you have tight game, guys ask you because they notice, not because you inform them.

Women are not stupid and in this time it is very easy to screen you,unless you are hunting 18 years old, which still will sniff the bs. Maybe your concept of 8 is different than ours to assume they are just everywhere walking around.

Post: #39

So money game is okay now? A while back guys were acting like even buying a pack of ramen noodles for a date was P4P.

Post: #40

(10-16-2018 06:16 AM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  So money game is okay now?

Nope. Using money to impress girls is what suckers do.

Post: #41

i cant try L'(

Post: #42

+1 what Noir said.

I will point out that the fake stuff is useful for getting access to girls, but you still need game. Its a lot easier and more fun and authentic to just read game than to create some fake shit from scratch. However, there are exceptions.

There is a guy who used to have a website and he told some stories about stuff he did. He actually hit it big in business and became somewhat famous, and took it down, so I'm going to be discrete with the details. I don't know him personally, but I used to read his blog.

Anyway, this was a college guy from Africa. Very intelligent, nice smile, but average looking and very dark skinned. Was based in D.C. So he's got several strikes against him. What he did was create a fake modeling agency. He didn't even have a camera, but he got a buddy who had a camera. He'd invite girls to the clubhouse of his apartment complex and do a master photoshoot tryout. He got a NFL cheerleader to show up once! Anyway, he built a website and by accident actually got one of the girls a modeling gig. The whole thing was just a way for him to meet more girls. He was very discrete about his results, but the fact that you can easily build a fake modeling website and get girls to show up was impressive. They guy has nads. Anyway, be careful with this exact thing because there are consumer protection laws that govern this because there are a lot of modeling agencies that rip people off. The whole idea of what he did is dangerous because people will look at you like you are super sleazy. He only did this briefly. He ended up creating a fake fashion magazine online - wasn't really fake, just online - and got entry into fashion shows. The key here is to create something that is a few steps beyond fake. His fashion magazine was really online. I don't think he had any advertisers or anything - that wasn't the point - the point was to be able to go to fashion shows and take pictures of beautiful women and meet them and invite them to parties.

So instead of using all of your energy to be fake, use it to create something real. This guy created something fake at first and then realized he could create something real--a fashion magazine. You can start a part time photography business - photog game has a huge thread on this site already.

I salute OP for trying to think outside the box and flip the script or hack the system, whatever, but you really need to channel this into something real, or at least part real. Its no more work to create something real, and it will have better results.

One of the key things in what Noir wrote is that girls don't like money per se, its the access and status that money brings. Taking a picture of your bank account is ineffective. A picture of you in a luxury box is a thousand times more effective. If you are the guy with the camera, or who guards entrance to the club, or who judges the beauty contest, you have status, and you don't need money.

Post: #43

Good game broken down in this thread. The “money” has to come through confidence is my belief. Also I think someone should make a data sheet on the modeling agency finesse. I think it’s an interesting idea and great way to meet baddies. If anyone can break that game down I’d appreciate it.

Post: #44

I think you missed that I recommended against it. Even the guy who did it shifted to being a fashion mag photographer

Post: #45

That’s what I meant. Something just to meet a lot of baddies. Because I do party a lot but that’s it. I don’t really do anything else to network and put myself in a position to meet a lot of bad chicks.

Post: #46

Great game is being able to go anywhere in the world and bang the women you want, without having to depend on external things such as money, fame, status, etc.

^^^^That's my true definition of game^^^^

Yes, you could technically pretend to be rich or whatever, but what are you going to do when your "fake rich props" don't work? Build true inner game and you won't have to rely on faking your richness.

Besides, the value of a rich guy is much less than it was a decade ago. Women no longer depend on rich dudes to get what they want.

Post: #47

Completely agree with Crash_Bandicot. This is not game. You need the basics.

But you can use tools to increases your access to beautiful women.

So the example I gave was a guy who put a modeling agency website, and then an online fashion magazine. He got access to a lot of higher end women, but he still had to game them.

His first attempt - the modeling agency - was shady. The second effort - the online fashion magazine - was legit, although perhaps a pretext.

But these days there is very little difference between an amateur and a professional. You want access to the Super Bowl - put up a blog and ask for media credentials. James Altucher is a blogger and podcaster. He wanted to meet several of his heroes, so he started a podcast so he could interview them. I don't know the financial details, but he is a very successful podcaster. He also wrote a book called Choose Yourself. The premise is that you don't need gate keepers or credentials anymore. In the old days, if you were a musician, you needed to get "a record deal." These days, you just build an audience on YouTube and monetize it.

So take whatever crazy interest you have - you want to meet au pairs or contortionists. Put up an online magazine for au pairs or contortionists or whatever. Hold a conference or a happy hour. They are not going to sleep with you because of your website but (1) you will get access and build your social circle, and (2) your access comes in the context of authority. This is a type of status. Cialdini has an entire chapter on this in his book Influence. In fact, a lot of people use this in a non-game context. They'll self-publish a book and then use the book to claim to be an expert. I know a guy who wrote a book on performance management who got a job as director of HR for a Fortune 500! People see that you wrote a book and assume you are an expert. Publishing a book used to be very difficult because getting published was like getting a record deal--there were gate keepers. But with self publishing there are no gate keepers and you get the aura of authority.

Look at Mike Cernovich. He was just a guy. He started a blog. Then he wrote an e-book about juicing. Then he wrote a real book about self improvement. Then he did a lot of things. He gives confernces now, makes films, its hard to keep track. Kudos to him. But he didn't accomplish those things by becoming an expert on juicing and then having a book company ask him to write a book. He learned about things like juicing on his own, assimilated the knowledge of experts, and then shared it with others in ebooks. You pick up his book and now you realize he knows as much about juicing as the experts. He has become an authority on juicing. He put in work, sure, but this is doable.

So focus on something like this instead of making fake bank statements.

The irony of all this is Mike started from a low place. He was messed up. That is what led him to look for answers, and then share what he learned. Now that he has done all of that, written books, given speeches, made films, become a financial success - it creates its own inner confidence where you don't need game. So I whole heartedly agree with Crash that "Great game is being able to go anywhere in the world and bang the women you want, without having to depend on external things such as money, fame, status, etc." You get there by embarking on a long journey, one step at a time. Mike started with a website and then a pamphlet on juicing. But he kept compounding those achievements into bigger achievements.

The guy who made the fake modeling website did the same thing. He transitioned into the business world and became a millionaire before he was 30.