Post: #76

(10-06-2011 02:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 09:08 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  The site ain't foolproof, but I did get nearly a 9 and this...

(10-05-2011 07:19 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  If the majority of your male friends have either come right out and said it or hinted at it constantly e.g. "I'd clean up on these girls if I was good looking like you" etc. I feel like "good-looking" is the socially acceptable term for male on male complimenting.

....

As for girls who don't come right out and say it, you can tell when somebody is attracted to you i.e. are they giving you positive vibes, twinkling dilated eyes, and full attention before hardly any words are being spoken. Also, having a not-instantly-shot-down rate of near 99% should be a good indicator as well.

...has all been my experience. The rating matched up to real life for me, but then again I guess it won't do this for everybody.

So, do you feel girls of different races might view you less attractive than, say, a black girl?

I would surely think so. Everybody has their preferences. I like skinny, brunette, white or latina girls. Some girls prefer a bulky black dudes, and might want nothing to do with me.

Any time you're talking about something somewhat subjective like looks, there are no absolutes. Similar to the 1-10 girl scale. I really think its the same. Girls may invest less in looks (or more exactly put more stock in other qualities) but the system is the same. One girls smoking hot 10 guy might only be a 7 to a girl who likes guys with a different color/style. But in the end, the dude averages an 8.5, and has it much easier than an average looking dude.

Post: #77

(10-06-2011 03:16 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  Any time you're talking about something somewhat subjective like looks, there are no absolutes. Similar to the 1-10 girl scale. I really think its the same. Girls may invest less in looks (or more exactly put more stock in other qualities) but the system is the same. One girls smoking hot 10 guy might only be a 7 to a girl who likes guys with a different color/style. But in the end, the dude averages an 8.5, and has it much easier than an average looking dude.

Very well put. I didn't even think about averaging all the opinions out.

Post: #78

(10-06-2011 02:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  So, do you feel girls of different races might view you less attractive than, say, a black girl?

Speaking from personal experience, yes and no.

Of those who do seem less attracted, much of it is due to the cultural stigma attached with being a black male or being openly attracted to one. A lot of girls will shy away from you because of this, even if they're attracted physically, and you have to do more as a guy to overcome this. Roosh has written about this and I have done so as well when describing my campus environment.

There are other environments in which girls of that same race have no stigma attached to them for openly dating black men, and there it is a little easier as they're more open about their attraction.

So, to sum it up, on a fundamental level I do not think there is much of a difference in physical attraction, but the expression of said attraction can vary greatly due to culture and influence the result. I don't think I'm less physically attractive to any race generally, but I may be less culturally attractive/acceptable in some environments.

As for black American girls, I may actually be at a disadvantage with them. Physically I attract them very easily, but my persona doesn't fit with what their culture generally seems to expect from an ideal partner. I notice that I do well with them initially, but as time goes on and they get to know me things cool off real quick. At the end of the day, I just don't connect with them that well, nor am I able to speak on their cultural plane and build something off of that since I'm so distant from it.

So, again, the physical attraction is no different here, but cultural factors alter the final result.
If I end up with a black girl long term at any point in my life, I'm about 98% certain she will not be American.

Post: #79

(10-06-2011 05:17 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 02:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  So, do you feel girls of different races might view you less attractive than, say, a black girl?

Speaking from personal experience, yes and no.

Of those who do seem less attracted, much of it is due to the cultural stigma attached with being a black male or being openly attracted to one. A lot of girls will shy away from you because of this, even if they're attracted physically, and you have to do more as a guy to overcome this. Roosh has written about this and I have done so as well when describing my campus environment.

There are other environments in which girls of that same race have no stigma attached to them for openly dating black men, and there it is a little easier as they're more open about their attraction.

So, to sum it up, on a fundamental level I do not think there is much of a difference in physical attraction, but the expression of said attraction can vary greatly due to culture and influence the result. I don't think I'm less physically attractive to any race generally, but I may be less culturally attractive/acceptable in some environments.

As for black American girls, I may actually be at a disadvantage with them. Physically I attract them very easily, but my persona doesn't fit with what their culture generally seems to expect from an ideal partner. I notice that I do well with them initially, but as time goes on and they get to know me things cool off real quick. At the end of the day, I just don't connect with them that well, nor am I able to speak on their cultural plane and build something off of that since I'm so distant from it.

So, again, the physical attraction is no different here, but cultural factors alter the final result.
If I end up with a black girl long term at any point in my life, I'm about 98% certain she will not be American.

Ok, I agree with you for the most part, but let me play Devil's Advocate here... Take the Aborigines of Australia. Now, one can presume that they look good to each other, yet to myself they look rather unattractive as a whole. I('m talking 100% Aborigines, not the ones mixed with white.) I'm assuming that they don't look good to me because I wasn't raised on their looks, seeing them everyday, and getting accustomed to their strong physical features at an early age and develpoing an appreciation for them. The same can be said for some African and South American tribes and areas. So, I'm wondering if they same dynamic comes into play, albeit on a lesser scale, in African-American/White/Latino attraction dynamics. A black woman fantasized from birth of marrying a black men, white girls did not. A black woman's father had a prominent nose, thicker lips, etc, and she has grown to appreciate those features. White women did not grow up seeing that on people they love. What do you think?

Post: #80

(10-06-2011 01:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 01:48 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  what is uncanny is in these situations it feels like the girl is gaming you.

Yes, thats a great way to put it. And, I think that is basically true. When the girl starts Gaming you, shut the fuck up and let her do it the way the way she wants to.

I'm often amazed how little my good looking friends talk before they bang a girl.

Chris Rock drops some game knowledge right here.

From 0:58 to 2:10.

Quote:A woman knows if she's gonna fuck you
within the first five minutes of meeting you.
Women know right away.

They're shaking hands like,
''l'm gonna fuck him.
''l hope he don't say nothing too stupid.''

That's right, fellas,
don't say nothing too stupid...
because women are all about the mood.
lf she's in the mood to fuck you,
shut up and let it happen.

'Cause if you say the wrong thing,
them panties are coming up mighty fast.

''What'd you say?''

She be on the phone with a girlfriend,
''Yeah, l was gonna give him some...
''but he just started talking.
''l hate a yakking man, child.''

It's incredible watching Chris Rock's comedy and just how insightful this guy is.

Post: #81

(10-06-2011 05:17 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  Speaking from personal experience, yes and no.

Of those who do seem less attracted, much of it is due to the cultural stigma attached with being a black male or being openly attracted to one. A lot of girls will shy away from you because of this, even if they're attracted physically, and you have to do more as a guy to overcome this. Roosh has written about this and I have done so as well when describing my campus environment.

There are other environments in which girls of that same race have no stigma attached to them for openly dating black men, and there it is a little easier as they're more open about their attraction.

So, to sum it up, on a fundamental level I do not think there is much of a difference in physical attraction, but the expression of said attraction can vary greatly due to culture and influence the result. I don't think I'm less physically attractive to any race generally, but I may be less culturally attractive/acceptable in some environments.

As for black American girls, I may actually be at a disadvantage with them. Physically I attract them very easily, but my persona doesn't fit with what their culture generally seems to expect from an ideal partner. I notice that I do well with them initially, but as time goes on and they get to know me things cool off real quick. At the end of the day, I just don't connect with them that well, nor am I able to speak on their cultural plane and build something off of that since I'm so distant from it.

So, again, the physical attraction is no different here, but cultural factors alter the final result.
If I end up with a black girl long term at any point in my life, I'm about 98% certain she will not be American.

Is there really such a disparity between black American lizards and black American dudes with West Indian parentage?

This boggles my mind. You grew up in the United States and you went to school with black Americans so why are you unable to relate to them?

Is it really that bad? Please elaborate. Do you think this is regular behaviour or is it because your nature may be of the reticient type?

I have peeps in the US of West Indian parentage similar to you and they piped down black Americans lizards easily enough.

In fact, one cat I know, his parents are Jamaican, he was born there but moved to the US when he was about 2 or 3 and his wife is a black American.

I mean, not all black Americans are the same. The ghetto ones are hyper-exaggerated and I'm sure many middle class black Americans cannot correspond with the ghetto ones so is it really a cultural issue or is it a social issue, Athlone?

Please elaborate.

Post: #82

(10-06-2011 05:55 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Ok, I agree with you for the most part, but let me play Devil's Advocate here... Take the Aborigines of Australia. Now, one can presume that they look good to each other, yet to myself they look rather unattractive as a whole. I('m talking 100% Aborigines, not the ones mixed with white.) I'm assuming that they don't look good to me because I wasn't raised on their looks, seeing them everyday, and getting accustomed to their strong physical features at an early age and develpoing an appreciation for them. The same can be said for some African and South American tribes and areas. So, I'm wondering if they same dynamic comes into play, albeit on a lesser scale, in African-American/White/Latino attraction dynamics. A black woman fantasized from birth of marrying a black men, white girls did not. A black woman's father had a prominent nose, thicker lips, etc, and she has grown to appreciate those features. White women did not grow up seeing that on people they love. What do you think?

You hit the nail on the head. I have friends of different backgrounds and some of the lizards that they go apeshyt over, I care less for. I understand however, that they were not brought up around this look. They did not see these features on people they love as you so aptly put.

I grew up in an area surrounded by a certain type of look and I have been programmed to love that look. I'll pipe all sorts of different lizards but nothing that has me stumbling or has me so delighted as to when I land a lizard with looks akin to those that I grew up around.

Post: #83

(10-07-2011 03:30 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:55 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Ok, I agree with you for the most part, but let me play Devil's Advocate here... Take the Aborigines of Australia. Now, one can presume that they look good to each other, yet to myself they look rather unattractive as a whole. I('m talking 100% Aborigines, not the ones mixed with white.) I'm assuming that they don't look good to me because I wasn't raised on their looks, seeing them everyday, and getting accustomed to their strong physical features at an early age and develpoing an appreciation for them. The same can be said for some African and South American tribes and areas. So, I'm wondering if they same dynamic comes into play, albeit on a lesser scale, in African-American/White/Latino attraction dynamics. A black woman fantasized from birth of marrying a black men, white girls did not. A black woman's father had a prominent nose, thicker lips, etc, and she has grown to appreciate those features. White women did not grow up seeing that on people they love. What do you think?

You hit the nail on the head. I have friends of different backgrounds and some of the lizards that they go apeshyt over, I care less for. I understand however, that they were not brought up around this look. They did not see these features on people they love as you so aptly put.

I grew up in an area surrounded by a certain type of look and I have been programmed to love that look. I'll pipe all sorts of different lizards but nothing that has me stumbling or has me so delighted as to when I land a lizard with looks akin to those that I grew up around.

Exactly! There's no way that doesn't play a part in overall attraction. Now, don't get me wrong, I know there are segments of the population that have a 'thing' for other types. I know a Mexican girl, raised mexican, not around a lot of blacks, who can't hardly even get excited unless it's with a black guy. But that's the exception I would think.

Post: #84

(10-06-2011 05:17 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 02:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  So, do you feel girls of different races might view you less attractive than, say, a black girl?

Speaking from personal experience, yes and no.

Of those who do seem less attracted, much of it is due to the cultural stigma attached with being a black male or being openly attracted to one. A lot of girls will shy away from you because of this, even if they're attracted physically, and you have to do more as a guy to overcome this. Roosh has written about this and I have done so as well when describing my campus environment.

There are other environments in which girls of that same race have no stigma attached to them for openly dating black men, and there it is a little easier as they're more open about their attraction.

So, to sum it up, on a fundamental level I do not think there is much of a difference in physical attraction, but the expression of said attraction can vary greatly due to culture and influence the result. I don't think I'm less physically attractive to any race generally, but I may be less culturally attractive/acceptable in some environments.

As for black American girls, I may actually be at a disadvantage with them. Physically I attract them very easily, but my persona doesn't fit with what their culture generally seems to expect from an ideal partner. I notice that I do well with them initially, but as time goes on and they get to know me things cool off real quick. At the end of the day, I just don't connect with them that well, nor am I able to speak on their cultural plane and build something off of that since I'm so distant from it.

So, again, the physical attraction is no different here, but cultural factors alter the final result.
If I end up with a black girl long term at any point in my life, I'm about 98% certain she will not be American.

Are you saying black American girls expect you to be more gangsta?

Post: #85

(10-07-2011 04:04 PM)Riker Wrote:  Are you saying black American girls expect you to be more gangsta?

It is slightly more complicated than this, but in a very general sense...yes.
They prefer men with more edge than I have.

(10-06-2011 05:55 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Ok, I agree with you for the most part, but let me play Devil's Advocate here... Take the Aborigines of Australia. Now, one can presume that they look good to each other, yet to myself they look rather unattractive as a whole. I('m talking 100% Aborigines, not the ones mixed with white.) I'm assuming that they don't look good to me because I wasn't raised on their looks, seeing them everyday, and getting accustomed to their strong physical features at an early age and develpoing an appreciation for them. The same can be said for some African and South American tribes and areas. So, I'm wondering if they same dynamic comes into play, albeit on a lesser scale, in African-American/White/Latino attraction dynamics. A black woman fantasized from birth of marrying a black men, white girls did not. A black woman's father had a prominent nose, thicker lips, etc, and she has grown to appreciate those features. White women did not grow up seeing that on people they love. What do you think?

This would obviously play a role, I'm just contending that this role is smaller than most think. In general there aren't that many firm physiological barriers to interracial relationships. Many of the barriers we do see are culturally erected and not immutable.

Post: #86

(10-07-2011 03:18 PM)Moma Wrote:  Is there really such a disparity between black American lizards and black American dudes with West Indian parentage?

There is a disparity between black american females(on average) and ME.

I know other black immigrant males who get along with them swimmingly. I'm not them.

Quote:This boggles my mind. You grew up in the United States and you went to school with black Americans so why are you unable to relate to them?

1. There were very few black girls at any school I attended up until University, and even here they're just 8-9% of the female population.

2. My upbringing was not entirely typical. Without going into details, the reality is that I had very little contact with popular black american culture and(to some extent), wider American popular culture. I grew up in my own bubble where my family was the main influence, and my family's culture has next to nothing in common with any other socio-ethnic categorization you can come up with in the USA. We are entirely atypical.

This makes me very difficult to categorize, and it ensures that I do not blend in well with the vast majority of other blacks here on a social level. I am, in many ways, alien to them and they are alien to me. Even basic things like handshakes and music cause confusion between us.

This does not imply hostility. I find many aspects of black american culture appealing. I am impressed by the extent of their cultural contribution to this society(which, especially in the realm of music and athletics, is downright astronomical) and I sympathize with the struggle they've had in dealing with this country's troubling racial past.

Furthermore, I've gotten on well with some individuals at my school, but the ability to take these merely "friendly" relationships and go to a deeper level(a more brotherly, connected one) has proven elusive at best, regardless of the amount of effort I've put in.

I've tried to do something about that in the past. As a teen, this realization really, REALLY bothered me and caused some personal issues, and even recently I've maintained some faint hope for change, but it is impossible. Things are the way they are.

All this, of course, means that long term, black American females are largely incompatible with me.

Fortunately, it is largely just me. Not every other west indian black has this issue. In fact, I'd say that most are much better integrated than I ever was. The ones I've known who have shown themselves similar to me have almost all been my relations, with very few exceptions.

Quote:I mean, not all black Americans are the same.

Exceptions to the rule may exist, but my experience has shown that the lack of relativity I talked about above with regards to me and other blacks in this country generally transcends class.
I'm in the Ivy League, remember. It isn't like I haven't had a chance to test this theory on blacks beyond the lower-middle class. I am not unused to seeing wealthy, intelligent, elite, college-educated black Americans.

My conclusion is only as broad and general as my experience has been.

Bottomline here, though, is that when I was speaking about my experience with black girls towards the end of that post you quoted, I was talking specifically about me and my persona(which not every other dude has). So no, it doesn't apply to everyone else.

My general point is just that cultural barriers to attraction are just as important (perhaps more so) as any physiological ones, and can have the same effect(inability to get anywhere romantically with a given individual). Cultural factors can easily kill potential even when physical attraction is there, and I find that they're more common culprits than the kinds of physiological repulsion/incompatibility URM advocated for.

Post: #87

(10-04-2011 09:28 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Fuck up Avoidance Game?

The dude was running some seriously tight game the entire date. He didn't just use FAG, he was actively pulling moves on her left and right. That video shows how a good date is run. That man has fucked hundreds of women.


I doubt he stayed with her, given that he's 25 and she was 31. He probably had some fun with her and then went to the next girl.

his game was average, however the fact that he was tall, dark, handsome (something that disturbs me a lot as almost all girls in DC area look for this) worked in his favor. Even if he was quiet the whole date and gave one word answers he still would get laid due to his God given model looks

Post: #88

(10-05-2011 11:15 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 10:30 PM)houston Wrote:  I had very low self esteem in high school and didn't know what I was working with (look wise and the snake in my pants) until I graduated. The cocky asshole came out when I discovered how to use my looks to get pussy and started hearing girls say I'm cute, fine, sexy. I want to try and act nicer with girls to see what happens. I want girls to stop accusing me of having a girlfriend and being a playa when we first talk....a good looking guy that acts nice and doesn't give off the playa/asshole vibe will put you on another level. Yes, my asshole style has worked on plenty of lizards but I'm sure its costed me a lot of lonely porno nights.

I can't really read this thread like I want to because I'm on my phone at a bowling alley but what do y'all think? Am I going in the right direction or taking steps backwards?

Cocky-funny-asshole game is largely designed to build attraction. If you're find more women than you'd like are reacting in a lukewarm/negative way to it, then it is entirely possible that you may be overgaming.

You say you've got solid tools to work with physically. That opens the possibility that you may very well already have attraction with these girls, and the cocky-funny(which, again, is built for increasing attraction) is overkill. That is what will cause girls to label you a player or(in a worst case scenario) a douche/creep.

If they're already attracted to you, just tone down the cocky-funny a bit. Tease a little more gently. Adopt a more laid back approach, and calibrate it over time until you've hit a more optimum level. If they're already into you because of the tools you have, then why do the work trying to convince them? Let them come to you.

I'm making the switch. I tried the "smiling nice guy routine" and its working better.

Post: #89

The worst is when ugly/fat girls give you dating advice. Like its their way of being relevant in your presence.

Post: #90

I sensed desperation in Delina...she was all over him, both physically and verbally. She was so anxious to get back to his room she flipped when he stopped at the store. He probably could have gotten head on the boat - I was hoping he'd cup the back of her head and push it down into his crotch. She's at do-or-die time...age 31.

Post: #91

(10-09-2011 11:30 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  his game was average, however the fact that he was tall, dark, handsome (something that disturbs me a lot as almost all girls in DC area look for this) worked in his favor. Even if he was quiet the whole date and gave one word answers he still would get laid due to his God given model looks

Average at best. Buying a girl a rose on the first date? I cringed.

Post: #92

(10-10-2011 05:24 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(10-09-2011 11:30 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  his game was average, however the fact that he was tall, dark, handsome (something that disturbs me a lot as almost all girls in DC area look for this) worked in his favor. Even if he was quiet the whole date and gave one word answers he still would get laid due to his God given model looks

Average at best. Buying a girl a rose on the first date? I cringed.

If a guy gets the bang, the presumption is that his game is tight. It's up to you to show why his game wasn't tight.

Re: the rose. He went to buy condoms. The rose was a distraction from the condoms. It was a great sleight of hand.

He also made her earn the kiss. She even called him "stingy" with the kiss.

He showed off by surfing. Surfing was also a fun activity for both of them to do. Get the "feel good chemicals" flowing.

Suggested hot tub to "relax" after surfing.

Dude's game was tight. Total natural.

Post: #93

(10-06-2011 05:55 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:17 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 02:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  So, do you feel girls of different races might view you less attractive than, say, a black girl?

Speaking from personal experience, yes and no.

Of those who do seem less attracted, much of it is due to the cultural stigma attached with being a black male or being openly attracted to one. A lot of girls will shy away from you because of this, even if they're attracted physically, and you have to do more as a guy to overcome this. Roosh has written about this and I have done so as well when describing my campus environment.

There are other environments in which girls of that same race have no stigma attached to them for openly dating black men, and there it is a little easier as they're more open about their attraction.

So, to sum it up, on a fundamental level I do not think there is much of a difference in physical attraction, but the expression of said attraction can vary greatly due to culture and influence the result. I don't think I'm less physically attractive to any race generally, but I may be less culturally attractive/acceptable in some environments.

As for black American girls, I may actually be at a disadvantage with them. Physically I attract them very easily, but my persona doesn't fit with what their culture generally seems to expect from an ideal partner. I notice that I do well with them initially, but as time goes on and they get to know me things cool off real quick. At the end of the day, I just don't connect with them that well, nor am I able to speak on their cultural plane and build something off of that since I'm so distant from it.

So, again, the physical attraction is no different here, but cultural factors alter the final result.
If I end up with a black girl long term at any point in my life, I'm about 98% certain she will not be American.

Ok, I agree with you for the most part, but let me play Devil's Advocate here... Take the Aborigines of Australia. Now, one can presume that they look good to each other, yet to myself they look rather unattractive as a whole. I('m talking 100% Aborigines, not the ones mixed with white.) I'm assuming that they don't look good to me because I wasn't raised on their looks, seeing them everyday, and getting accustomed to their strong physical features at an early age and develpoing an appreciation for them. The same can be said for some African and South American tribes and areas. So, I'm wondering if they same dynamic comes into play, albeit on a lesser scale, in African-American/White/Latino attraction dynamics. A black woman fantasized from birth of marrying a black men, white girls did not. A black woman's father had a prominent nose, thicker lips, etc, and she has grown to appreciate those features. White women did not grow up seeing that on people they love. What do you think?

I know a couple of guys that fit into this. One is a light-skinned black guy, with wavy hair, the other is darker, with more typical black features. Both grew up in areas that aren't largely black (the first in Westchester, NY, and the other upstate NY). The first guy comes from an extended family where his uncles are all married to white women, and his dad's second marriage is to a white woman. The high school and college he went to had largely white girls, and overall the culture he grew up in was devoid of black influences. He ended up marrying a Japanese woman, who was actually more in tuned to black culture than he was! Other grew up in an area where the only blacks in his high school were his siblings...HA HA! Both are attracted almost exclusively to white girls. Through the years black friends were always trying to introduce them to black women, but there was simply no attraction. To an extent, you will be most attracted to the people and features that you grew up with and around. Some people may make a conscious effort to "connect" with their own race/culture that they feel they have been separated from, while other simply go with what they know and are more comfortable with.

Post: #94

(10-10-2011 05:43 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 05:24 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(10-09-2011 11:30 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  his game was average, however the fact that he was tall, dark, handsome (something that disturbs me a lot as almost all girls in DC area look for this) worked in his favor. Even if he was quiet the whole date and gave one word answers he still would get laid due to his God given model looks

Average at best. Buying a girl a rose on the first date? I cringed.

If a guy gets the bang, the presumption is that his game is tight. It's up to you to show why his game wasn't tight.

Re: the rose. He went to buy condoms. The rose was a distraction from the condoms. It was a great sleight of hand.

He also made her earn the kiss. She even called him "stingy" with the kiss.

He showed off by surfing. Surfing was also a fun activity for both of them to do. Get the "feel good chemicals" flowing.

Suggested hot tub to "relax" after surfing.

Dude's game was tight. Total natural.

Shoot, easy to make a girl fall for you if you look like Brad Pitt. No matter how much the guy tried if he was a regular dude 5-9" and not 6-3" with acne on his face and balding head there's absolutely no way he'd get that girl. Show me a BAD LOOKING guy who get's laid with model's cause of his tight game and I will be his disciple for life!

Post: #95

I barely watched that Blind Date video. That guy wasn't really some amazing looking guy IMO. Hell, I know plenty of black/brown/white girls that won't even look at a white guy, much less fuck one. You don't have to be some 6'3 white guy with light hair and blue eyes to do serious damage! I don't know why some people around here act like that is the number one type for every girl out there!

Once again, ill bring up my uncle. He's 5'8, in his 40s, has a real good chest and arms but no 6 pack, shaved head, goatee and tattoos. Its amazing how many girls (all ages, sizes and colors) just stare at him and also approach. Shit, Roosh and Mixx look nothing like a Ken doll and you already know how it is with them. It kills me in the travel section when people say shit like "don't come here if you're a shorter guy".

Post: #96

Disadvantages:

Girls say rude shit to you almost every night, even if they opened you.
Girls say you're gay all the time. Fat girls especially like to call me gay, even after their friends blow me.
Girls always want to cockblock you.
Lesbians want to fight you. Gay men want to share their AIDS with you.
Guys resent you and show no solidarity. Especially true if you're dominating the conversation and the girls they're with are more interested in you than them.
Your friends with good game say "if I had your looks, I'd be mopping this fucking place up."
Girls project a kind of gold standard upon you and if you deviate from it even a little bit, you're fucked.
Girls who know about you perpetually talk shit about you, even if you've never interacted with them.
Stalkers. Girls who threaten to commit suicide because you don't love them.

Advantages:

Girls open me with compliments on my look or style.
A girl walked up to me (a 5 or 6) and told me I'm gorgeous and started kissing me furiously. I had said nothing.
Easy access to blowjobs or sex from mediocre girls without much time commitment. (< 30 min in some cases)
Being smart becomes attractive because most good-looking men are fucking idiots. (contrast is king!)
You can jerk off to your own reflection if you're bored of porn.

Post: #97

I also agree there's a more stringent standard with good looking guys. Once a girl sees how I look and what I wear (mostly designer), they create this expectation in their head and if I don't line up, I'm finished. Women can sense incongruity.

In other words: If they ask me what I'm into, I've learned that saying "classical music, reading, and socio-biology" is a great way to get the pussy to dry up.

I just totally failed with this one girl who wasn't even that hot (6.5, okay face but huge natural tits, no black nipples, asian). The first date this bitch was literally worshipping me (which let me play it cool even more easily), telling me how gorgeous I was and how fit I am. She seriously said I'm probably one of the best looking guy's she's ever been out with. I figure this bitch is so in the bag I can afford to not really give a shit when she asks me what I like to do.

She's a huge party girl. She literally gets wasted every single night because she works part-time retail. I work 45 a week so I don't have that luxury. She asks me what I like: I told her I only like to party on weekends, and I find classical music and board games relaxing.

Shit closed up so fast. What really annoyed me is the fact I'm probably at least two points higher on the scale than this chick and she had the nerve to close that shit up. What a damn shame. I hadn't porked an asian since my second lay in life. And she was a huge slut (told me her number) so I must have really fucked up not to hit that.

Post: #98

(10-11-2011 10:06 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  I also agree there's a more stringent standard with good looking guys. Once a girl sees how I look and what I wear (mostly designer), they create this expectation in their head and if I don't line up, I'm finished. Women can sense incongruity.

In other words: If they ask me what I'm into, I've learned that saying "classical music, reading, and socio-biology" is a great way to get the pussy to dry up.

I just totally failed with this one girl who wasn't even that hot (6.5, okay face but huge natural tits, no black nipples, asian). The first date this bitch was literally worshipping me (which let me play it cool even more easily), telling me how gorgeous I was and how fit I am. She seriously said I'm probably one of the best looking guy's she's ever been out with. I figure this bitch is so in the bag I can afford to not really give a shit when she asks me what I like to do.

She's a huge party girl. She literally gets wasted every single night because she works part-time retail. I work 45 a week so I don't have that luxury. She asks me what I like: I told her I only like to party on weekends, and I find classical music and board games relaxing.

Shit closed up so fast. What really annoyed me is the fact I'm probably at least two points higher on the scale than this chick and she had the nerve to close that shit up. What a damn shame. I hadn't porked an asian since my second lay in life. And she was a huge slut (told me her number) so I must have really fucked up not to hit that.

For a lot of vain, superficial younger women (and if she's a huge party slut she fits the bill) understand that it's not YOU in itself that they're attracted to, it's your IMAGE.

It's all about how much you conform to the media-driven aesthetic of what's "hot" and what's "in". It's about how you make HER feel when you hold her hand in public, and how jealous you make her girlfriends feel.

Face it, she couldn't care less about the real YOU - you're just an accessory.

She saw you and thought "OMG a gorgeous fit tall white guy - just like in all the magazines and TV and movies!"

And once she discovered that your interests conformed to those of a nerd, she'd pigeonholed you in another category and was openly repulsed.

This is a BIG tendency with a lot of American girls - they have a huge laundry list of superficial attributes they want in a man. Everything except what's in your head and in your heart.

And if she's an American-born Asian girl she's got even bigger race-driven issues with this.

Post: #99

^I wish I could give you reputation, because I think you just hit the nail on the head. I'm actually tri-racial (white/hispanic/asian), so gaming minority girls is WAY easier than gaming white chicks who want mister midwest all American.

Post: #100

(10-11-2011 11:08 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  ^I wish I could give you reputation, because I think you just hit the nail on the head.

I'm going to do it for you. That was a perfectly outlined insight into the mind of your average American girl under-25.