Post: #26

Battle of Tours

Quote:The Battle of Tours (10 October 732) – also called the Battle of Poitiers and, by Arab sources, the Battle of the Highway of the Martyrs (Arabic: معركة بلاط الشهداء‎, translit. Ma'arakat Balāṭ ash-Shuhadā’) – was fought by Frankish and Burgundian forces under Charles Martel against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus. It was fought in an area between the cities of Poitiers and Tours, in the Aquitaine of west-central France, near the village of Moussais-la-Bataille, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) northeast of Poitiers. The location of the battle was close to the border between the Frankish realm and the then-independent Duchy of Aquitaine under Odo the Great. The Franks were victorious. Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Details of the battle, including its exact location and the number of combatants, cannot be determined from accounts that have survived. Notably, the Frankish troops won the battle without cavalry.

Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"). Later Christian chroniclers and pre-20th century historians praised Charles Martel as the champion of Christianity, characterizing the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam, a struggle which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe; according to modern military historian Victor Davis Hanson, "most of the 18th and 19th century historians, like [Edward] Gibbon, saw Poitiers (Tours), as a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Europe."Leopold von Ranke felt that "Poitiers was the turning point of one of the most important epochs in the history of the world."

Here's his tomb - given what's happened to Europe in recent history, he's probably spinning so fast you can use him as a fucking generator...

Post: #27

(09-20-2018 07:33 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The Edict of Expulsion in 1290 A.D. England whereby the Jews were expelled from the British Isles and banished to continental Europe as a result of their usurious fuckery. So hated were these moneylenders by the long suffering English populace that King Edward was able obtain a huge tax increase in exchange for kicking their asses out of the country, and the taxpayers considered it a great deal. Over the ensuing centuries England would go on to become the greatest military, financial, scientific, and industrial power the world had yet seen, so that by the mid 19th century the Jews would inevitably finangle their way back in as sure as a moth finds its way to a flame.

The devout Puritan Oliver Cromwell invited the Jews back in the 17th century

Quote:On December 18, 1655, the so-called Whitehall Conference, which Oliver Cromwell had convened in London two weeks earlier to discuss letting the Jews return to England, came to an end. No clear or explicit decision on the question was reached. Two of the jurists in attendance, however, Judges John Glynne and William Steele, offered their learned opinion that there was no existing law on the books “against their coming in," because their original expulsion had been by royal decree, not parliamentary vote. As a result, the conference had the effect of lowering the figurative wall that was keeping Jews from settling in the country.

More than 350 years earlier, in 1290, King Edward I had expelled the Jews from England. Although a small number remained resident in the country throughout that period, they had no legal status and were in constant danger of banishment.

Cromwell, Lord Protector of the short-lived Commonwealth, was in general sympathetic to the Jews. This derived at least in part from his belief that their return to Britain would hasten the coming of the Messiah, and partly in recognition of the economic and political benefits they were expected to bring to England, particularly in its ongoing war with Spain.

Preparing for the Messiah

In September 1655, Menasseh ben Israel, the Portuguese-born rabbi from Amsterdam, visited London. As a mystic, Menasseh interpreted a line in the Bible as meaning that the age of redemption could come only when the Jews were spread out to every corner of the earth. Though the age of exploration was hastening this day, the ban keeping them out of England still needed to be reversed.

Menasseh therefore presented Cromwell with the “Humble Addresses,” a document in which he requested permission for Jews to live, pray and be buried in England, in consideration of “owr desire Being to Live Peacebly under your Highnes Governement.”

It was to consider Menasseh ben Israel’s request that Cromwell convened a group of prominent lawyers, clergymen, military people and merchants in the Council Chamber at Whitehall, London on December 4. Over the next 14 days, conference participants convened on five separate occasions, the final one of which, on December 18, was open to the public.

Cromwell encountered more opposition to the idea than he anticipated, in particular from the merchants, who feared competition from Jews, and from some of the clergy. To the extent that the participants were willing to consider the proposition, they wanted to attach a number of conditions to the readmission: The Jews had to promise to abstain from any attempt to convert non-Jews, and promise not to insult or blaspheme Christianity.

Shaming the no-sayers

By December 18, Cromwell understood that if he was to put to a vote the resolution with which he had opened the conference – “That the Jews deserving it may be admitted into this nation to trade and traffic and dwell among us as Providence may give occasion" – the motion might fail. He preferred to close the proceedings without a decision – but at the same time, argued that only by allowing Jews to settle in England, would it be possible to convert them to Christianity, which was in principle a prime objective of the Anglican Church.

He then turned to the merchants who had argued that the Jews were unfair competitors and not to be trusted, and presented them with a challenge: “Can you really be afraid that this contemptible and despised people should be able to prevail in trade and credit over the merchants of England, the noblest and most esteemed merchants of the whole world?"

The question was left to hang as the Whitehall Conference adjourned. Over the next few years, a number of incremental steps were taken that strengthened the Jews’ purchase on the island, even if no unconditional declaration was forthcoming.

In the words of historian David Katz, "once Cromwell and Charles II [the leader who followed him when the monarchy was restored] realized that the Jews as a nation could never be admitted through the front door, they were anxious to go round the back themselves and let them in through the door reserved for tradesmen."

Post: #28

The Great Wall of China. Militarily it was never breached I understand (only as a result of politics). The Mongol horde's great strength was their cavalry and resultant mobility. A bloody great wall put a control on that for a couple of thousand years.

Next, Hadrian's Wall in England. Started in AD122, it became the northern limit of the Roman Empire, built to separate the Romans from the 'Barbarians' (my own ancestors!), which it did effectively (at huge financial cost) for more than 300 years. I walk the dog along it several times a year.

Finally, Trump's border wall....??

Post: #29

Siege of Vienna and the defeat of the Ottoman shitheads:



If they had won, then it's possible that the West would not have ushered in this cycle of civilization. You would be sitting in some stupid inbred Islamic shithole.

The same goes for the Battle of Tours:


For India in recent history it was the casting out of many Muslims (too few still) and the creation of Pakistan.

The current times are tougher, because the enemy is in the city, has full control of our monetary system, of our madia, our academia, our politicians. Usually when something like that happens, then something akin to Rome follows.

A unified disciplined country can return from the ashes - Germany and Japan did so gloriously.

But when the barbarians are on your soil, then what might be left is those crapheads remaining in the ruins your ancestors built.

People also have to understand - a country is not gone so long as their people are there. Communism destroyed and held back Eastern Europe, but the people are fine and some countries are already outperforming Southern Europe afater 28 years of development.

Many problems can be nipped in the butt, but not annihilation of the people.

Post: #30

The crushing of the Bavarian Soviet Republic and the Spanish civil war.

Post: #31

(09-21-2018 06:27 AM)Pride male Wrote:  The crushing of the Bavarian Soviet Republic and the Spanish civil war.

The Spanish civil war was more dangerous.

The Bavarian Soviets just used some violence and turmoil after WWI to rebel shortly - the central government implemented better control later and there was hardly much support in the government - also the leaders were insane - literally:

Quote:Eisner's government members were not always well-chosen. For instance, the Foreign Affairs Deputy Dr. Franz Lipp – who had been admitted several times to psychiatric hospitals – declared war on Württemberg and Switzerland over the Swiss refusal to lend 60 locomotives to the Republic.[14][13] He also claimed to be well acquainted with Pope Benedict XV[15] and informed Vladimir Lenin and the Pope by cable that the ousted former Minister-President Hoffmann had fled to Bamberg and taken the key to the ministry toilet with him.[16]

Other Toller appointments included: as commissar for military affairs, a former waiter; a burglar with a conviction for moral turpitude as police president of Munich; as commissar for transportation a part-time railroad track maintenance worker; and – in Catholic Bavaria, where nuns ran the schools – a Jew as minister for education. Toller's minister for public housing published a decree saying that no house could thereafter contain more than three rooms, and that the living room must always be above the kitchen and bedroom.[11]

Quote:On Sunday, 12 April 1919, only six days into Toller's regime, the Communist Party seized power, led by three Russian emigrés, two of whom were Jewish, with Eugen Leviné as head of state.[3][17] Having received the blessings of Lenin – who at the annual May Day celebration in Red Square said "The liberated working class is celebrating its anniversary not only in Soviet Russia, but in ... Soviet Bavaria"[17][18][13] – Leviné began to enact hardcore communist reforms, which included forming a "Red Army" from factory workers, seizing cash, food supplies, and privately owned guns, expropriating luxurious apartments and giving them to the homeless and placing factories under the ownership and control of their workers. One of Munich's main churches was taken over and made into a revolutionary temple dedicated to the "Goddess of Reason."

Yeah - as usual the anti-semitism in Germany was absolutely groundless - completely without reason - they assembled a local army of 30.000 men and waged war even when it wasn't overly bloody with less than 1000 dying.

But it certainly shifted Germany far more to the right.

Post: #32

(09-21-2018 06:19 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Siege of Vienna and the defeat of the Ottoman shitheads:



If they had won, then it's possible that the West would not have ushered in this cycle of civilization. You would be sitting in some stupid inbred Islamic shithole.

The same goes for the Battle of Tours:


For India in recent history it was the casting out of many Muslims (too few still) and the creation of Pakistan.

The current times are tougher, because the enemy is in the city, has full control of our monetary system, of our madia, our academia, our politicians. Usually when something like that happens, then something akin to Rome follows.

A unified disciplined country can return from the ashes - Germany and Japan did so gloriously.

But when the barbarians are on your soil, then what might be left is those crapheads remaining in the ruins your ancestors built.

People also have to understand - a country is not gone so long as their people are there. Communism destroyed and held back Eastern Europe, but the people are fine and some countries are already outperforming Southern Europe afater 28 years of development.

Many problems can be nipped in the butt, but not annihilation of the people.

I'm glad you agree with me, as I already posted this. But it was the Ottomans who seized Vienna. It was the Polish King, Sobieski, who came in to save the day and end the siege and nipped the Muslim invasion in the bud so to speak.

Post: #33

I don't care which European tribe kicked their butts - whether French, Austrian, Polish or Spanish. The current problems facing the West will only be solved a pan-European identity anyway.

Post: #34

I seem to recall a lot of problems were solved the day of that Corleone baptism.

Post: #35

And by Janice whacking Richie April.

Post: #36

The jury is out on long-term effects, but it was certainly a positive thing.

Post: #37

The most outrageous thing is that, since now academia in France is dominated by leftist, they are rewriting history.

Numerous papers have gone out claiming that the Battle of Tours "never happened" and that it was just a minor skirmish, of Frankish troops massacring poor muslims on the way home from Iberia.
And of course, every French who considers himself "smart" buys into this bullshit hook line and sinker.

Soon they will write about Thermopylae as evil white men killing poor Persians trying to spread englightenment.

Post: #38

Louisiana purchase. Fell in our lap.

Similarly, the Mexican American war.

The USA not owning the continent from sea to shiny sea would have caused trouble.

Post: #39

(09-21-2018 10:32 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  The most outrageous thing is that, since now academia in France is dominated by leftist, they are rewriting history.

Numerous papers have gone out claiming that the Battle of Tours "never happened" and that it was just a minor skirmish, of Frankish troops massacring poor muslims on the way home from Iberia.
And of course, every French who considers himself "smart" buys into this bullshit hook line and sinker.

Soon they will write about Thermopylae as evil white men killing poor Persians trying to spread englightenment.

Most don't know anything about the 500+ Islamic aggressive battles against the West while bemoaning the few crusades as the real evil.



I will however defend the Persians, because back then they were as advanced if not more than the Greeks:



So I consider this conflict more a fight between Greeks and Romans or Constantinople. If Islam hadn't conquered them, then Persia would be first world by now together with a highly advanced Byzantine Republic - heh.

Post: #40

When hot chicks finally whip their nipples out (and escalate beyond) & let you play that often times "nips" tensions in the bud.

Post: #41

Kurdistan was nipped in the bud in 1923.

Map of Kurdistan (derived from Central Intelligence Agency map dated 1986)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan#Modern_history

Quote:After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Allies contrived to split Kurdistan (as detailed in the ultimately unratified Treaty of Sèvres) among several countries, including Kurdistan, Armenia and others. However, the reconquest of these areas by the forces of Kemal Atatürk (and other pressing issues) caused the Allies to accept the renegotiated Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and the borders of the modern Republic of Turkey, leaving the Kurds without a self-ruled region. Other Kurdish areas were assigned to the new British and French mandated states of Iraq and Syria.

Now in 2018 the balance of power is still very unfavorable for the Kurdish people, so what would be the point of trying to create a Kurdish state, being beaten again and again by their powerful neighbours?

Post: #42

All the times women were treated like property, baby making machines and kept far away from politics and the public sphere. Athens, Sharia law, Ancient Rome etc.

Post: #43

Lesser known, but rather crucial:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

Forza Venezia!

Post: #44

(09-21-2018 12:32 PM)balybary Wrote:  Kurdistan was nipped in the bud in 1923.

.....

Now in 2018 the balance of power is still very unfavorable for the Kurdish people, so what would be the point of trying to create a Kurdish state, being beaten again and again by their powerful neighbours?

That's not good by any measure. They could have organized into a strong enough force, but genocide prevented it.

Constantinople was also no "nipping in the butt", but the fall of a great country by inbred shitheads. It was achieved rather by the plague which decimated the population from 1 mio. to 50.000 - and even then the Muslim conquest barely succeeded.

When the West or Russia decides to reconquer Constantinople, then maybe the Kurds will their chance for a sovereign state.

And what kind of argument is the one of "cannot defend itself?" Many countries would fit that bill if they expected an attack by their neighbors any second now - heck France alone could conquer the entire Middle East and leave only skulls behind. By that measure what's the reason for sovereign Muslim states?

Post: #45

Victory over the Huns at the Battle of Catalaunian plains 451 CE.

Post: #46

(09-21-2018 12:48 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  Pinoche seized power to end the communist threat Chile was facing. He was certainly brutal in the early years but it is vastly, even ludicrously overstated because the left owns the media. The brutality he did commit quite possibly prevented the typical communist situation, such as famine, mass murder, implementing the "snitch culture" etc, such as Venezuala now.





After a time passed, he allowed the people to vote for another 8 years of Pinoche or a democracy. 44% voted for a continued dictatorship, which is a lot if you think about it (who wants a dictator?), and he relinquished power peacefully after losing this vote.

Coach Red Pill is a top notch youtube channel I recently discovered as well, very down to earth yet well spoken and looks at things from afar.