Post: #26

The gay thing in showbiz is nothing new. I don't know any hard statistics but I would guestimate that the ratio of gays in showbiz to be at least 25% if not higher, although even today many are still closeted. But now that it's seen as trendy for gay characters to be mainstream, the tendency is to retcon older characters as gay. The Bert & Ernie thing is a clear trendline following from Sulu in Star Trek Beyond. George Takei didn't like his own real-life homosexuality being used as a marketing gimmick to score virtue points retroactively making Sulu gay. But unlike Sesame Street, the creators behind Trek threw George under the bus and swj-splained down to him that this is a new era and this is just how things should be for the greater good.

And guess who's next after Bert & Ernie?

Elsa from Frozen, of course, following the first toe in the water of retconning LeFou from Beauty and the Beast.



Sexuality is different from race/gender because it's not immediately identifiable. Having to apply "gaydar" to sniff out whether a character is gay or not is sort of a humorous sport. In most cases, the accusations are not that serious. Kirk/Spock were clearly not gay. Batman/Robin weren't. And not Bert/Ernie either (who are really more akin to the Odd Couple which was on TV around the same time Sesame Street started).

But the sense that the next stage in cultural evolution is to normalize gayness, then it seems like the right thing to do to go back to these properties and make these things overt. Just because gays could relate on an abstract level with Bert & Ernie or to Elsa's outsider status or to X-Men mutants doesn't mean they have to be explicitly made gay. The whole strength of fiction is to be able to identify across demographic barriers. But these days people insist on 1:1 represtations. If you're a gay, black, female, muslim, paraplegic, you INSIST that there be gay, black, female, muslim, paraplegics on TV or film. It's just not possible to follow along and care for a character otherwise.

So the net effect is sort of an atomization of entertainment along very narrow identity lines.

Again, since gays are in creative roles at much higher percentages than the general population, and Hollywood is predominently left and hence SJW, we're going to get a glut of gay characters and gay storylines, overcompensating and over-representing how common homosexuality is.

BTW, a little evopsych to explain why people generally don't like watching stuff that runs across the grain of their sexuality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20576388
https://benthamopen.com/FULLTEXT/TOPSYJ-9-75

Post: #27

(09-19-2018 06:51 AM)stugatz Wrote:  I have to say, poor Frank Oz. He was the voice of so many of my favorite characters growing up. (Grover, Yoda, etc.) Decent director, too.

It also took me a few viewings of the Blues Brothers to notice the disgusted guard at 2:30 giving Jake back his stuff was Frank Oz.

I saw "Spies Like Us" before I saw "The Blues Brothers," so the cat was out of the bag for me from the start. I don't know how he can keep a straight face in either one of these scenes, but both are hilarious.

Post: #28

(09-18-2018 03:07 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  All this time I thought Sesame Street was a wholesome, anti-semitic show for children, when it was filled with queer Jewish tricks all along.

Fuck me that had me laughing!

Post: #29

If this is true, I fear for poor Ernie... And, if anybody needs more proof that showbiz is completely pozzed:





Even the Muppets aren't immune...

Post: #30

(09-19-2018 01:27 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 03:07 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  All this time I thought Sesame Street was a wholesome, anti-semitic show for children, when it was filled with queer Jewish tricks all along.

Fuck me that had me laughing!

The Sesame Street memes have been around for a while. Hadn't seen that one before, though, definitely one of the best.

Also semi-relevant in today's media climate:

Post: #31

There is zero truth to this story. The creator of Bert and Ernie, Frank Oz, has unequivocally stated that this is false. News outlets, including conservative websites, went out of their way to publicize this for clicks and to normalize homosexuality. It's one of those edgy stories that stirs up gossip and office commentary, further lowering our already degenerate cultural narrative.

The writer in question, like many of his ilk, has a fantastic sense of memory and an exaggerated sense of importance. He wrote the most simple dialogue lines- under extremely high scrutiny and oversight, for a children's puppet show. To claim that the a-sexual 2 dimensional puppets were "gay", because he like, says so, is ridiculous and deserves no mention. To repeat myself, there is no story here.

Post: #32

I always thought of them as just roommates.

Post: #33

(09-18-2018 05:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Am I the only who thought Bert and Ernie were gay from the get go?

It's not a little weird they sleep a few feet apart eachother in a room that looked like it was meant for a couple?

(Sure dudes slept in the same bed decades ago ie work etc)

Even as a kid I knew there was something weird about those two.

I always assumed so too. Like the puppet version of the Odd Couple.

Post: #34

I thought they were brothers honestly. They look the same.

Post: #35

(09-20-2018 09:16 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  I always thought of them as just roommates.

Yeah, that's a wild concept, huh?

Hmm, let me think of the TV landscape when Sesame Street started. Two roommates with wildly different personalities, always getting into spats, but underneath it all, sharing a deep (platonic) affection...

Hmmm....



Nah, nothing.

Post: #36

(09-21-2018 05:48 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 05:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Am I the only who thought Bert and Ernie were gay from the get go?

It's not a little weird they sleep a few feet apart eachother in a room that looked like it was meant for a couple?

(Sure dudes slept in the same bed decades ago ie work etc)

Even as a kid I knew there was something weird about those two.

I always assumed so too. Like the puppet version of the Odd Couple.

"The Odd Couple" were never gay. They were divorced men who were roommates in a high property valued location of New York. In the movie they were trying to get out and date once again. Simple as that, and any hint of homosexuality back in the 70's would have had the show cancelled faster than anything else. Next thing that you are going to tell me is that Higgins and Magnum were fucking each other.

Post: #37

He's not saying the Odd Couple were supposed to be gay, but rather that's an example of a straight couple living together.

I mean, there's nothing particularly risque about same-sex roommates. There's something risque about male/female roommates, hence Three's Company.



It's the fact that Bert and Ernie had to have minds of children and sleep in separate beds in the same room that made it seem"gay", but most of the Sesame Street puppets have minds of children. It's the regular actors on the show (Susan, Gordon, etc...) who are supposed to represent adults.

But "authorial intent" goes out the window when SJWs want to reframe and reappropriate intellectual property to suit their agenda.

The fact Bert and Ernie are beloved icons makes them prime targets for gays to claim them as their own, which is also a big reason why Elsa is probably also going gay. If you fall in love with characters and then find out they're gay after the fact then it makes it hard to reject them or their lifestyle.

Post: #38

< The current sheisters are ret-conning everything that they will claim that soldiers in times past were 50% gay and the people will believe it. There will be movies about orgies on WWII front lines - that's right your grandfather was one big poofta - after storming Normandy beach celebrating with a big cock.

They utterly destroy any semblance of not only male bonding, even camping and sleeping in one tent - as if that is instantly gay. They already managed to push the narrative of the male sexual predator so that strangers often call the cops on fathers going out on a hike with their children. The media has managed to paint biological fathers and men as the big evil so that no grown man could ever possibly take a non-sexual interesting in a child, be a big brother to him or just show a kid how a bike is repaired.

This anti-male anti-fatherhood anti-heterosexuality hysteria reaches ever greater length.

In Eastern Europe they had this children cartoon of two boys - just friends - going on various adventures. I think that several countries created similar setups:



Now the gay lobby has sexualized that normal male friendship and created their own disgusting memes around that old child cartoon - the characters show up in condom ads, safe sex ads, pro-gay propaganda etc.

Cultural marxists poison everything and pull everything into the gutter.

Post: #39

Post: #40

(09-22-2018 07:05 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Actually, they're both birds. Dude has good game. Check out his sharp threads. The chick looks pretty and feminine too.

Post: #41

Delete