Post: #26

(08-25-2018 11:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:22 AM)Celestial Wrote:  Why is there always this implicit assumption that <insert Harvard/MIT/Stanford> professors / researchers are so talented and smart that there recommendations/conclusions should be taken over years of empirical evidence of the opposite.

Coconut oil works for tons of people and has myriads of applications. This professor thinks the opposite, it's bullshit.

I treat more and more of these modern movements against things that have worked for years with skepticism.

It used to be the case they attracted the best people - but that was before the push for female and various diversity, before the push for ever greater nepotism in elite colleges - and before the hard-left agenda-driven corporate-bought destruction of knowledge. Big corporations are giving colleges like Harvard sometimes 10-30 mio. $ in donations. If I was as generous as that, then they would be writing some good opinion pieces on me. Plus the universities now fire even Nobel price winners if they oppose the status quo like some who said that women have less interest in STEM subjects due to biological determinants or are less talented in other fields.

Coconut/animal fats vs "healthy" vegetable oils is ridiculous - on the one side a multi-billion dollar agro-industry plus added benefit of making people sick and earning double on the backside, reducing population, not paying pensions so long as people die sooner vs - not making as much money and having a more healthy population.

The incentives that are behind backing the first less healthy option are overwhelmingly in favor of HEALTHY VEGETABLE OILS.

I read that coconut oil article is poison too. I didn't notice that the author was a woman but I did notice she went to Harvard.

@Simon Strangelight/Zelcorpion: Professors at "elite" universities get there by publishing in "peer-reviewed" publications. That means they have to do research and have noteworthy people say that this research has merit. Once they get this professorship, to get tenure they must continue to publish (do research and get it published). You can imagine that you are in Poland and you get brain cancer. The younger more competent doctors having fled to the UK, you have your choice of communist educated doctors. Which do you choose? the one who is closest or the one who published a paper in some top medical journal saying he can make you live 10 more years. I would prefer that guy/girl over Mirek Anonymous. Even if your autistic research has merit, the fact that the Polish he/she got published in a leading journal has less to do with nepotism, gender, race or religion than the quality of the research.

Back to the topic of this article, I also saw it and I read it because I have also read that coconut oil is one of the best. In fact, all vegetable oils are not equal. While polyunsaturated fats (certain vegetable oils) might not raise your blood cholesterol, they are often high in omega 6 fats which are not good in large quantities. Coconut oil has very little Omega 6. The counter arguments to the article Roosh posted is here

[Edit]: just read this first article to the end and it actually supports the article Roosh posted. Anyway, if you google around you will find the counter-arguments, like this 3rd link from the Guardian, which is more balanced.

https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/hea...r-you.html

3rd link:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...-fats-lard

For more on Omega 3 vs 6 look here:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic...-fats.aspx

That 2nd article specifically recommends coconut oil. In fact, the science is always evolving. In the 80s nobody would have talked about this stuff. Today there is a debate. That's a good sign.

Post: #27

(08-25-2018 11:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:22 AM)Celestial Wrote:  Why is there always this implicit assumption that <insert Harvard/MIT/Stanford> professors / researchers are so talented and smart that there recommendations/conclusions should be taken over years of empirical evidence of the opposite.

Coconut oil works for tons of people and has myriads of applications. This professor thinks the opposite, it's bullshit.

I treat more and more of these modern movements against things that have worked for years with skepticism.

It used to be the case they attracted the best people - but that was before the push for female and various diversity, before the push for ever greater nepotism in elite colleges - and before the hard-left agenda-driven corporate-bought destruction of knowledge. Big corporations are giving colleges like Harvard sometimes 10-30 mio. $ in donations. If I was as generous as that, then they would be writing some good opinion pieces on me. Plus the universities now fire even Nobel price winners if they oppose the status quo like some who said that women have less interest in STEM subjects due to biological determinants or are less talented in other fields.

It was actually a lot worse than that. He got canned for suggesting someone might do a study to find out if that was the reason women were lagging in STEM. He got canned for even suggesting a university use science and research to even question the established orthodoxy. A sad day in the history of academia.

Post: #28

(08-25-2018 11:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:22 AM)Celestial Wrote:  Why is there always this implicit assumption that <insert Harvard/MIT/Stanford> professors / researchers are so talented and smart that there recommendations/conclusions should be taken over years of empirical evidence of the opposite.

Coconut oil works for tons of people and has myriads of applications. This professor thinks the opposite, it's bullshit.

I treat more and more of these modern movements against things that have worked for years with skepticism.

It used to be the case they attracted the best people - but that was before the push for female and various diversity, before the push for ever greater nepotism in elite colleges - and before the hard-left agenda-driven corporate-bought destruction of knowledge. Big corporations are giving colleges like Harvard sometimes 10-30 mio. $ in donations. If I was as generous as that, then they would be writing some good opinion pieces on me. Plus the universities now fire even Nobel price winners if they oppose the status quo like some who said that women have less interest in STEM subjects due to biological determinants or are less talented in other fields.

It was actually a lot worse than that. He got canned for suggesting someone might do a study to find out if that was a reason they were lagging in STEM. He got canned for even suggesting a university use science and research to even question the established orthodoxy. A sad day in the history of academia.,

Post: #29

(08-25-2018 11:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(08-25-2018 11:22 AM)Celestial Wrote:  Why is there always this implicit assumption that <insert Harvard/MIT/Stanford> professors / researchers are so talented and smart that there recommendations/conclusions should be taken over years of empirical evidence of the opposite.

Coconut oil works for tons of people and has myriads of applications. This professor thinks the opposite, it's bullshit.

I treat more and more of these modern movements against things that have worked for years with skepticism.

It used to be the case they attracted the best people - but that was before the push for female and various diversity, before the push for ever greater nepotism in elite colleges - and before the hard-left agenda-driven corporate-bought destruction of knowledge. Big corporations are giving colleges like Harvard sometimes 10-30 mio. $ in donations. If I was as generous as that, then they would be writing some good opinion pieces on me. Plus the universities now fire even Nobel price winners if they oppose the status quo like some who said that women have less interest in STEM subjects due to biological determinants or are less talented in other fields.

It was actually a lot worse than that. He got canned for suggesting someone might do a study to find out if that was a reason they were lagging in STEM. He got canned for even suggesting a university use science and research to even question the established orthodoxy. A sad day in the history of academia.,

Post: #30

Well, I mostly put it on my dick/girls' tits so whatever.

Post: #31

So afterr reading this im conviced............Coconut oil or MCT oil, which is best?

Post: #32

(08-29-2018 10:38 AM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  So afterr reading this im conviced............Coconut oil or MCT oil, which is best?

for cooking, extra virgin coconut oil
for adding to coffee, MCT oil
for skin care, fractionated coconut oil

Post: #33

Post: #34

I can't think of a field that generates more nonsense than nutrition. I remember one professor giving lectures on how fructose was a deadly poison that will kill you. I also attended a lecture many years ago given by Linus Pauling who was recommending megadoses of Vitamin C. The researchers since then have concluded that this only gives you expensive urine. He was a great scientist but even he got nutrition wrong. If you stopped eating all the stuff they say is bad for you, you would starve. My strategy is to exercise, keep my correct weight, and try to minimize sugar.

Post: #35

(08-30-2018 10:14 AM)Sherman Wrote:  I also attended a lecture many years ago given by Linus Pauling who was recommending megadoses of Vitamin C. The researchers since then have concluded that this only gives you expensive urine. He was a great scientist but even he got nutrition wrong.

And it's on like donkey kong.

Post: #36

Keep blood sugar low, exercise, and do your best to enjoy a low stress life.

That's simple advice but obviously not easy for modern people.

Post: #37

Cant believe this thread is still going.

Any discussion is useless. I have some background and connections in this field. Everyone pretty much agrees there is not enough data to give advice on macros, let alone specific foods.

The only nutrition advice that is science-based is "when you are fat limit your calories." Any other advice relies on selective citing.

Many professors have suspicions on what the most healthy diet might be, but these are suspicions and nothing more.

There is huge individual variability in how people respond to macros / diets. Try them all and see how your body responds. Just keep a healthy weight and you are doing things right according to science.

If you are overeating play around with macros to figure out what macro gives you the most fuel. Stick to natural occuring foods to be on the safe side.

That is it. Other then that, endlessly discussing specific foods has little utility beyond debating for fun.