Post: #1

After months in depression, I finally got out! A breakup with my ex was necessary for me to move on. The story is bigger than just two lines.
To give you an insight, I am Moroccan, so my native language is arabic. Now I have no problems gaming girls in my own native language, but since I moved to France I found it difficult, because of language and my depressed state.
So now that I am out, I have been approaching none stop, I made out with a russian girl in the same day after I approached her during the day! I think I had the chance to fuck her but then had an emotional breakdown she got turned off. I have tons and tons of numbers from girls, but I am never successful to get a date, they flake.
I am in Germany now, Berlin, great city, gamed some in clubs, didn't have sex though. But there is this girl I just met on public transportation, I was really good, touchy, funny, escalated sexually very quickly, I could've even gone for the kiss after only 5 minutes, I sensed it but I chickened out and I was thinking that I could wait for a second time. When we reached our station, she had to wait for a friend I had to go, so I asked for her number, my phone died, so she took my number after I suggested it and she said "are you sure I am going to text you?" I said yes! I know she will not text me! I have tried it many time to give my number! So my question is this, should I have gone for the kiss? And if I did, was it going to be more of a successful hookup?

Post: #2

In my DG experience a kiss and overt sexual escalation are unnecessary and can actually spook her if you're just getting the number. I understand it feels like a win, and she might even respond well to it at the time, but it actually hurts your end goal. Too much too fast, as soon as you leave and she snaps out of your vibe it's very easy for her to feel uneasy about it.

I hold off until she's in a place where I can close fully (i.e my apartment).

If for whatever reason my phone is dead I get her to give me her phone (compliance), add myself, then CALL myself so I now have her details.
In the early stages don't ever leave it to her to reach out; if she won't comply to make this possible, the interaction was not strong enough and you should be looking at tweaking that instead.

Post: #3

I totally agree, I just forgot to. Next time probably! Thank you for your input on the matter.

Post: #4

Speaking from experience, consider these 3 things:

1)Privacy, outside of the club and without the influence of alcohol you have to pay more attention to this. You would do things in private you might never do in a public setting, she is the same.

You want to go for it when the time is right, and the time is right when you two are in isolation. You might seem socially out of sync if you seem to be completely unaware when the right time is. Try to move with her into isolation so that you can physically escalate. She'll allow you to move her to an isolated place if she's interested. A great indication of interest (IOI) is that when she rejects you she says something along these lines of "there are so many people here" "people can see us" etc. "Not here" means that the place and the judgement of others is what she's worried about, not that she has an objection to you. Try to move her to a place where she is free from the judgement of others and you're much more likely to succeed. Ignoring this means you are missing social cues from her. She might feel strange her potential mate doesn't know what appropriate behavior is in public. Also, she didn't want to seem like a slut or be seen as one, even to strangers, even if she is one inside.

2) plausible deniability. If you go too far in public with her then it will be much harder to get her back to your house to watch a movie/play her a song on guitar/cook dinner together when your real goal is to show her how your bedroom ceiling looks.

I'm not saying don't kiss before bringing her back, but there has to be some plausibility that the reason your going back to your house isn't just for sex, moderate your actions beforehand so that you can go back to your house where there's an opportunity. Give her a chance to say to herself she didn't go to your house to have sex, this protects her self image. She can't hold that self image together if she confronts the idea that if she goes to your house it's specifically to fuck. This is why women love the stories where "it just happened" . They still chose to have sex, but in a way where they don't need face seeing themselves as promiscuous. If you escalate to the point where she knows youre going to go to your house to fuck without a shadow of a doubt, a good girl isn't going to go in and you're not going to bang her. You've probably already spooked her too much. This is how you make out with girls and wonder why they won't go all the way.

3) comfort. Mystery was right. Attract, comfort, seduce. Making out can build your feeling of togetherness, but if it's where other people can see and you make her uncomfortable in the process then youre being counterproductive even if she kisses you.

Watch her body language and tune your actions to what she is okay with. Remembering that comfort is a requisite for sex with most girls means that you should pay more attention to it.

In short, have more patience. There is Japanese game where you try to catch goldfish with a flat net made of rice paper. If you go too fast the paper rips and the fish falls through. The trick is to skillfully chase the fish at the right speed and lift it when the time is right. I think it's somewhat similar. Having patience until the time is right is key. Have a look.





By the way, I obviously don't mean be a pussy and be friends forever and never make a move. Just time it right. Even if she says let's be friends smile and say of course and continue to attempt to make use of opportunities when they arise. The thing that makes betas so cringe worthy is that they have so many opportunities but never make a move. Find the winning balance between being the one who she's comfortable enough with to go upstairs with and the one who's bold enough to make it happen.

Post: #5

I like the way you analyzed everything, you have given me so much insight that I will definitely be taking into consideration next time i am gaming a girl. Culture plays a huge role too. So yeah I will definitely practice. Thank you!

Post: #6

(08-14-2018 05:04 PM)duskdiver Wrote:  After months in depression, I finally got out! A breakup with my ex was necessary for me to move on. The story is bigger than just two lines.
To give you an insight, I am Moroccan, so my native language is arabic. Now I have no problems gaming girls in my own native language, but since I moved to France I found it difficult, because of language and my depressed state.
So now that I am out, I have been approaching none stop, I made out with a russian girl in the same day after I approached her during the day! I think I had the chance to fuck her but then had an emotional breakdown she got turned off. I have tons and tons of numbers from girls, but I am never successful to get a date, they flake.
I am in Germany now, Berlin, great city, gamed some in clubs, didn't have sex though. But there is this girl I just met on public transportation, I was really good, touchy, funny, escalated sexually very quickly, I could've even gone for the kiss after only 5 minutes, I sensed it but I chickened out and I was thinking that I could wait for a second time. When we reached our station, she had to wait for a friend I had to go, so I asked for her number, my phone died, so she took my number after I suggested it and she said "are you sure I am going to text you?" I said yes! I know she will not text me! I have tried it many time to give my number! So my question is this, should I have gone for the kiss? And if I did, was it going to be more of a successful hookup?

oh lord, where should i start, yes you should have fucking kissed her, anytime you feel the sexual vibe you should automatically go for it.... without hesitation. she will probably not text you.

Post: #7

Probably not the best idea to be encouraging an arab living in Europe to "automatically go for it without hesitation".

Post: #8

lol if you were having trouble in France because of language how come you you didn't game any arab women?

Post: #9

(08-21-2018 10:18 PM)the_legend Wrote:  lol if you were having trouble in France because of language how come you you didn't game any arab women?

Well, I am no longer a muslim, as I was raised a muslim ... And I am against the majority of the arab culture. It is not because it is arab, but because it is much influenced by Islam as a religion ...
The majority of arab women won't give you to fuck them easily, as they want marriage to let you in their pants ...

Post: #10

(09-09-2018 07:35 AM)duskdiver Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 10:18 PM)the_legend Wrote:  lol if you were having trouble in France because of language how come you you didn't game any arab women?

Well, I am no longer a muslim, as I was raised a muslim ... And I am against the majority of the arab culture. It is not because it is arab, but because it is much influenced by Islam as a religion ...
The majority of arab women won't give you to fuck them easily, as they want marriage to let you in their pants ...

Hopefully you stay non-muslim. I know many people who leave islam and then reconnect later in life. So many Muslim guys start to date non-muslims by saying they are not practicing but once marriage occurs they go full sharia.

Post: #11

public transport in america is watched by cameras so you can't do much