Post: #51

(07-23-2018 04:53 PM)sarcofago Wrote:  I have never been to Russia, but one good friend in Chicago, who brought a Russian bride back home, lost everything. I can't go into more detail on a public forum. Not only that, but that bride introduced her best friend to my friend's friend and that poor guy is now in a mental hospital.

OMG. Is this for real? Seems a little extreme. Why do men bring these Russian brides home?

Post: #52

Based on his replies, looks like OP will do better in Prague than russia. I spent quite a bit of time there. The Czech girls are *much* less likely to want to leave home than their neighboring FSU countries. Apart from listening to real-life experiences, this is well documented by looking at the Brexit statistics. Although Prague requires high-level game, guys who have done their home work can still do OK. There are a couple of reguarly organized expat events whose ulterior motive is for 30s-50s yo guys to meet single Czech women. PM me for some starter info. Otherwise, depending on your tolerance for lack of language proficiency, it might even better to go to 2nd tier cities like Brno or Plzen.

Post: #53

Russian women in relationships with foreign men* are often unhappy. The guys rarely speak Russian, they're beta, and they're far too weak. They crave total dominance and assholery, despite complaining about Russian guys nonstop lol. I co-sign Lizards post. If you're from humpty - dump, Illinois or whatever - keep away from Russia.

I should add that I normally don't fuck with Russian women for the simple fact that I'm a natural beta and they smell that shit from a mile away.

*Rocha is a notable exception

Post: #54

(07-23-2018 06:39 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Russian women in relationships with foreign men* are often unhappy. The guys rarely speak Russian, they're beta, and they're far too weak. They crave total dominance and assholery, despite complaining about Russian guys nonstop lol. I co-sign Lizards post. If you're from humpty - dump, Illinois or whatever - keep away from Russia.

*Rocha is a notable exception

блять, это всегда Rocha вина !!!!

Post: #55

Interesting thread, I didn't found Russia or its people to be too bad but maybe I was just really lucky.

I got scammed by my landlord (a russian woman owning a flat in Paris but she stayed in Moscow) but that's another story.

Post: #56

(07-23-2018 12:01 PM)Icarus Wrote:  Russian women are not for beginners.

Most (all?) cautionary tales in this sobby thread are due to hubristic fools ignoring the above.

1 week ban

Post: #57

You either know how deal with Slavic girls or you don't. If you're American, you almost certainly don't and need to learn. You will be humbled and realize you're not as smart as you thought you were, but then you'll do okay. If you're Boomer Joe with dad jeans taking a trip to Kiev/Ukraine to find a wife, you will get eaten alive, no exceptions.

And yet still, Slavic experts get burned... http://www.rooshv.com/she-is-bitch

Post: #58

The fact that girls that come to the US and dump their guy after a green card comes as some illuminating idea to people is already troublesome. If some fat bitch got you out of some situation you didn't like would you owe it to her to live and fuck her for the rest of your life? Get real, respect the hustle.

Post: #59

(07-23-2018 08:17 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  The fact that girls that come to the US and dump their guy after a green card comes as some illuminating idea to people is already troublesome. If some fat bitch got you out of some situation you didn't like would you owe it to her to live and fuck her for the rest of your life? Get real, respect the hustle.

Who are you talking about?

Post: #60

^^ all the "I know of a guy that got fucked over" posts that really have no depth, value or context

Post: #61

I don’t like what this thread is turning into, which seems like a bashing of Russian women. OP is cautious and states he “want(s) to try (his) hand at FSU women.”

Over the years my experiences have mostly been positive although I have had a couple negative ones. When I’m in my 80’s bed ridden at the VA Hospital with a chronic illness, I’ll close my eyes and go back to a magical day in January of 2016 walking hand in hand along the Volga river with my young Deavoosha after a freshly fallen snow. I’ll remember being alone together circling Lenin’s childhood home and slipping on the ice that covered the smoothly cut stone around the building. I’ll still be able to hear her gentle laugh as I struggle to again put my feet underneath me. Although the relationship didn’t survive my return to the West, no one will ever be able to take this memory and the others I haven’t shared.

Beyond the borders of the old country and into the Sunshine State, I have had 4 Russian girls live with me from 10 day to 30 day stays. One will return this fall to hopefully spend another month with me in California. I’m really looking forward to it. She has become a good friend over the last couple years. 3 of the 4 that have come were good to wonderful experiences. Once, I have had to put my foot down. This nightmare from Izhevsk turned into a kniving and gold digging waste of space feared in the above posts. After knowing her for two years I went into her visit with an open heart. It only took to her 5th day here in California to see through her and left her and her delusional visions of Hollywood grandeur in the lobby of a dingy hotel never to be seen again. There were too many red flags and I pulled the rip chord and landed safely. She eventually returned home to Russia after failing to launch as an actress.

A week after I walked out on her, I found out she went on a date with a fellow RVF forum member the 3rd night she was here. She told him that she was with her cousin visiting the USA, as he was clueless about my existence. We had a good laugh about that one over the phone. Social media is a double edged sword and revealed another mutual friend of RVF. Reflecting now, I don’t think I had a significantly bad experience being deceived by a Russian while on Russian soil.

The only common denominator in relationships is you. You will succeed, you will fail, but you will live. Trust but verify OP. Don’t let the lawyers, naysayers and fear mongers keep you from an experience the overwhelming majority of American men will never have.... The experience of being with a beautiful FSU woman.

Post: #62

(07-23-2018 11:59 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I have had 4 Russian girls live with me from 10 day to 30 day stays. One will return this fall to hopefully spend another month with me in California. I’m really looking forward to it.

Just out of interest did you cover all their expenses including flights? Where they happy just to hang out with you or did they ask you to buy them gifts? How did you keep them entertained? 30 days with a Russian girl together pretty much all the time while she is not working seems like a very long time.

Was there a point when they got angry with you, called you greedy and denied sex?

Post: #63

(07-21-2018 12:42 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  So I am in a meeting yesterday with two very experienced divorce attorneys. One is a former family court judge and mediator who has a combined experience in 25,000 divorce cases! The other is the best divorce attorney I have ever seen he has worked 2300 divorce cases and won almost all of them men or women clients.

Oh wow. Really? 25,000 cases. That's a lot!

Post: #64

Dangerous or not, what should be of concern in that fact that PUA activity appears to be growing among the local guys in Russia with a significant following:

Post: #65

What means PUA?

Post: #66

Russian men are talking to Russian women, genuinely terrifying, what are we gonna do????!!

Post: #67

Sorta funny. I don't find Russian women to be all that interesting, but whenever a white girl in China is really feeling me, it's always a Russian girl. They seem cool, but very cunning. I have had some of my best and most memorable defeats at the hands of Russian women.

There was one story I have from some months ago.

A Russian girl invited me to her apartment for the first meeting. Told me to bring some wine. I was not able to seal the deal. That was a very good laugh and a big eye opener.

On the flip side, aren't a number of Black and Asian players on this forum seriously dating and doing well with Russian women? I suspect the truth is somewhere in between.

If you go from Thailand to Russian, your ass will probably get rinsed since you probably didn't need to develop much in the way of inner game living in a buffet like Thailand.

Post: #68

(07-23-2018 07:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You either know how deal with Slavic girls or you don't. If you're American, you almost certainly don't and need to learn. You will be humbled and realize you're not as smart as you thought you were, but then you'll do okay. If you're Boomer Joe with dad jeans taking a trip to Kiev/Ukraine to find a wife, you will get eaten alive, no exceptions.

And yet still, Slavic experts get burned... http://www.rooshv.com/she-is-bitch

I read the linked post, and from what I can gather, apart from the fact that the situation has become very quickly worse, you are implying that there is always some sort of payment involved, whether implicit or explicit? And that the true quality not just in looks but in personality can only be found in FSU girls who don't necessarily want to leave their home country, and prefer the familiarity of a native man, even if he is busted. I definitely observed this in Poland, and Luigi was right in that those more likely to go after foreigners are the worse kind, even if they look hot.

I have certainly found that out from posts about Ukrainian women, while Polish seem to be heading towards the "strong, independent woman" as they westernize, and they seem to be happy with their busted local polish boyfriends.

Assuming polish girls are out of the picture and classed more "west" than "east", why, then, stay in Ukraine or Russia at all? Why so much hype about these places? If the good women aren't particularly interested and/or have negative (sex tourist) assumptions about western men, then what is the point of going to a place where your only access lies with the "bad" ones, with a few exceptions? As you wrote in the story, there is a sense of futility about many places that have been ruined by sex tourism. One year, girls love exotic foreigners. A mere five years later, the place is totally ruined by sex tourists and no matter what you do or say, the only way you're going to fuck her is if you pay for it. The romantic ideals of a slipping around in the winter in a 4th tier Russian city with a genuine, sweet Russian girl uncorrupted by foreigners seems to be slipping away ever more with smartphones and social media. That same girl that 5 years ago knew only a small number of people now has hundreds of offers including to be shat on from oil sheikhs, offers which can sometimes be too large to deny. Social media has just facilitated and drastically expanded what was happening in Latvia in your story. Luigi fucked a hot girl for an offer of 40 bucks, ended up giving her nothing. Now the local prices are much higher and internet prices can go into the medium-high five figure range depending on what the girl is willing to do.

I like to think I am stubborn as a motherfucker so if a Ukrainian/Russian girl tells me she wants this or that or just constantly asks me to comply with her requests my default is no, with a reasonable explanation as to why her request has been declined, if necessary. Part of me believes I can maintain that with the hardiest Ukrainians and Russians, but another part of me rightly considers whether my lizard brain might get the better of me due to their beauty.

Maybe one thing to address in your new "Game" book is how game differs between the countries, in 2018-2019, including the best way to go about getting good quality girls (looks and personality) in each of these harsh environments, explanations as to why to go in the first place (since losing all assets and mental hospitals seems to crop up quite often) etc.

I suggest this because the first "Bang" books imply almost that these places are not necessarily poosy paradises, but much easier than the USA. However I go to Poland for a few months and even there I find the eastern traditional provider relationship norms hard to come by. The only girls left available to me were crazy Ukrainian chicks and night club sluts. The girls I meet during the day are of higher quality, and are polite, warm and helpful, something that would be relatively rare in the USA, but girls like these almost always have local boyfriends and believe that they can "make it" in Poland. The Ukrainian chicks, by contrast, are fascinated by Greece, Italy, Spain, and get guys to take them on trips there. The Polish girls, while very warm, also had a sort of cold, almost "fuck the west it's overrated, Poland is the best" nonchalance about them.

Is it the case, then, that we will always be forced to be accepted by girls who, like many Ukrainian girls, want to escape, or at least are curious about "better" countries, hence giving us foreigners better chances of banging them?

I guess what I am saying with reference to your new Game book is that these places seem so difficult, you pretty much need Russian, the cities are depressing as fuck, -- why go there? Superior quality in looks? Maybe. Personalities? In the girls that we can actually access? Debatable. There are upsides and downsides to each. When I got back to the US I was relieved to get back to dumb, laid back, easy american sluts.

A section on true FSU girls (Ukraine and Russia mainly), the different types, and how to handle each type, would be of huge value in your book, because I will admit I don't have a clue. That's knowledge I would not hesitate to pay for.

Post: #69

Funny, reading all this I'm getting the vibe that Russian girls are just like Vietnamese girls. Except they are white and blondes.

I'm heading to St Petesrburg this October, so I guess I'll find out myself. I don't expect to get laid there, but at least it will be an interesting experience.

Post: #70

(07-24-2018 07:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Funny, reading all this I'm getting the vibe that Russian girls are just like Vietnamese girls. Except they are white and blondes.
I'm heading to St Petesrburg this October, so I guess I'll find out myself. I don't expect to get laid there, but at least it will be an interesting experience.

I've dated both, and I promise you that the difference is night and day.

If you take the worst of Vietnam and compared it to the worst of Russia... the Vietnamese women come off looking like kittens.

Here is the thing. The women of a particular culture are products of the men they grow up with. Russian men are hard... very hard. Vietnamese men are very different. I think we should recognize more that women follow by nature, and that their father makes the biggest impact in their lives, along with the men in the culture around them. That's why all the bitches in the Middle East are still wearing bed sheets whenever they leave the house! Do you think they really want to? The men decided thats what the women are going to do... and the women fucking do it.

My point is that if you want to understand how to deal with Russian women in an LTR... look at how Russian men do it first.

Post: #71

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Post: #72

(07-23-2018 11:59 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I don’t like what this thread is turning into, which seems like a bashing of Russian women. OP is cautious and states he “want(s) to try (his) hand at FSU women.”

Over the years my experiences have mostly been positive although I have had a couple negative ones. When I’m in my 80’s bed ridden at the VA Hospital with a chronic illness, I’ll close my eyes and go back to a magical day in January of 2016 walking hand in hand along the Volga river with my young Deavoosha after a freshly fallen snow. I’ll remember being alone together circling Lenin’s childhood home and slipping on the ice that covered the smoothly cut stone around the building. I’ll still be able to hear her gentle laugh as I struggle to again put my feet underneath me. Although the relationship didn’t survive my return to the West, no one will ever be able to take this memory and the others I haven’t shared.

Beyond the borders of the old country and into the Sunshine State, I have had 4 Russian girls live with me from 10 day to 30 day stays. One will return this fall to hopefully spend another month with me in California. I’m really looking forward to it. She has become a good friend over the last couple years. 3 of the 4 that have come were good to wonderful experiences. Once, I have had to put my foot down. This nightmare from Izhevsk turned into a kniving and gold digging waste of space feared in the above posts. After knowing her for two years I went into her visit with an open heart. It only took to her 5th day here in California to see through her and left her and her delusional visions of Hollywood grandeur in the lobby of a dingy hotel never to be seen again. There were too many red flags and I pulled the rip chord and landed safely. She eventually returned home to Russia after failing to launch as an actress.

A week after I walked out on her, I found out she went on a date with a fellow RVF forum member the 3rd night she was here. She told him that she was with her cousin visiting the USA, as he was clueless about my existence. We had a good laugh about that one over the phone. Social media is a double edged sword and revealed another mutual friend of RVF. Reflecting now, I don’t think I had a significantly bad experience being deceived by a Russian while on Russian soil.

The only common denominator in relationships is you. You will succeed, you will fail, but you will live. Trust but verify OP. Don’t let the lawyers, naysayers and fear mongers keep you from an experience the overwhelming majority of American men will never have.... The experience of being with a beautiful FSU woman.

I think this puts a lot of things in perspective. Thanks.

Post: #73

(07-24-2018 02:54 AM)Endless Escapes Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 12:42 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  So I am in a meeting yesterday with two very experienced divorce attorneys. One is a former family court judge and mediator who has a combined experience in 25,000 divorce cases! The other is the best divorce attorney I have ever seen he has worked 2300 divorce cases and won almost all of them men or women clients.

Oh wow. Really? 25,000 cases. That's a lot!

Yep he said he had seen more divorce cases than anyone in our state. A dubious honor indeed.

Post: #74

I think this thread is a bit hard on the Russians. If you find an HB9 or 10 of any nationality you have an increased risk of this kind of behavior, prividing that she gives you the time of day.

the girl in the post i made in the Cheap Vegas tips thread was Czech:

Quote:I ran across a tall 25yo blonde with a huge rack and a clingy silk shirt unbuttoned all the way to her waist with nothing on under. She was as close as you could be to naked as you could get and still be allowed to walk around. So when she approached me I said no thanks, I don't want to pay. So she says I just want to party, you don't have to pay. So I was like, OK let's get a drink. Sitting there in the bar, i notice a woman seated across just staring at her. I followed her eyes and see that one tit was completely uncovered for all the world to see, I help her cover that up and said let's go somewhere and she says she wants to come to my room and do stuff. I had a bottle of vodka on ice and some snacks and drinks. So I wasn't worried about raiding the minibar. But the combination of jetlag, some drinks and the big naked tit had made me leave my senses and think I could outscam the (probable) scammer. So she ends up in my room and wants to open a bottle of Veuve Cliquot from the minibar. I said no. And she is like you are cheap! I'm going to go out in the hallway and tell security you attacked me. So I said, OK, take it and go. So she pours a glass and goes out and walks down the hall with a bottle of champagne.

*disclaimer: I recommended that the OP might want to try Prague over Moscow due to green card demand issues. Czechs don't need a visa to go to the US. Also Ukrainians can go to the EU without a Visa now. The availability of visas is directly correlated to the decline of the poosy paradises

But I also had a similar minibar raiding experience with a Polish I met in a club in Warsaw and I've met French and Swedish HBs who were sharks. At least Russians are usually pretty in your face about it. In my experience, when a Russian says, all you have to do for me is x,y, and z. She means it. The translation is: I'm not so bad, I just want this. I guess you could also get scammed by an average looking Russian, so know your outcome. What are you looking for?

Post: #75

(07-24-2018 07:54 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  I think this thread is a bit hard on the Russians. If you find an HB9 or 10 of any nationality you have an increased risk of this kind of behavior, prividing that she gives you the time of day.

the girl in the post i made in the Cheap Vegas tips thread was Czech:

Quote:I ran across a tall 25yo blonde with a huge rack and a clingy silk shirt unbuttoned all the way to her waist with nothing on under. She was as close as you could be to naked as you could get and still be allowed to walk around. So when she approached me I said no thanks, I don't want to pay. So she says I just want to party, you don't have to pay. So I was like, OK let's get a drink. Sitting there in the bar, i notice a woman seated across just staring at her. I followed her eyes and see that one tit was completely uncovered for all the world to see, I help her cover that up and said let's go somewhere and she says she wants to come to my room and do stuff. I had a bottle of vodka on ice and some snacks and drinks. So I wasn't worried about raiding the minibar. But the combination of jetlag, some drinks and the big naked tit had made me leave my senses and think I could outscam the (probable) scammer. So she ends up in my room and wants to open a bottle of Veuve Cliquot from the minibar. I said no. And she is like you are cheap! I'm going to go out in the hallway and tell security you attacked me. So I said, OK, take it and go. So she pours a glass and goes out and walks down the hall with a bottle of champagne.

*disclaimer: I recommended that the OP might want to try Prague over Moscow due to green card demand issues. Czechs don't need a visa to go to the US. Also Ukrainians can go to the EU without a Visa now. The availability of visas is directly correlated to the decline of the poosy paradises

But I also had a similar minibar raiding experience with a Polish I met in a club in Warsaw and I've met French and Swedish HBs who were sharks. At least Russians are usually pretty in your face about it. In my experience, when a Russian says, all you have to do for me is x,y, and z. She means it. The translation is: I'm not so bad, I just want this. I guess you could also get scammed by an average looking Russian, so know your outcome. What are you looking for?

Good question. I want to experience different places in the world and the women that live there. Since I have dated EE women in the US I have my interest there among other places. I don't want to get married to anyone ever again. And certainly, do not want to import a wife. I am not looking for notch counts more quality than quantity.

I am not looking for one night stands more like what Vet described earlier is closer to my goal. Possibly meeting in different places than just the US. Mini adventures. And work on my business along the way.

A little more about me to put things into a better understanding. I have done some dagame probably around 300 to 400 cold approaches. I almost never do night game. And online. I work for a living. I have dated a variety of women nationalities including Asian, Colombian, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, Jamaican, Morrocan, and of course the EE girls mentioned before. Of all of them the only nationality that has tried to scam me have been American women and on several occasions. Luckily I have never lost a cent to any of them.

I have been on hundreds of first dates and many 2nd or third. So I am not the seasoned pro banging 10's like the other folks on here but I have been doing most of this in my fifties so I think I am making good progress and improving. Like Roosh said above I will stumble and learn. But I am always skeptical of a mentality that says they are all bad just like a place is a poosey paradise. I have read many of Roosh's books and I appreciate his sense of adventure and his willingness to try new things and be honest about it. That is where I want to be.