Post: #1

I hope those with children aren't having your kids watch cartoons on Netflix. Another traditional female hero has been transformed into the twisted liberal version of today's media.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/16/she-ra-see-p...stevenson/

Quote:A few months ago, Noelle Stevenson visited Blue Sky, the animation studio helming the film adaptation of her bestselling graphic novel Nimona, to see gorgeously painted concept art depicting a shark with boobs.

“I couldn’t believe it. This comic panel I drew when I was 19 years old and sleep deprived with the dumbest joke I could think of because it made me laugh at 4 a.m.,” Stevenson tells EW. “Suddenly, I’m here, sitting in this theater, looking at it with this beautiful, larger-than-life production art.”

Stevenson began drawing and posting Nimona, the adventures of a shape-shifting super-villain sidekick (who sometimes transforms into a shark, sometimes a shark with boobs) online while she was still in college. In 2015, HarperCollins published Nimona as a graphic novel, which earned Stevenson a nod from the National Book Foundation. That year, she also took home a pair of Eisner Awards for the comic book series Lumberjanes, which she helped develop and eventually write. (Both Nimona and Lumberjanes are currently in development for film adaptations.)

Now, at age 26, Stevenson is the showrunner on a new series from DreamWorks Animation Television coming to Netflix on November 16 featuring a different sort of shape-shifting heroine: She-Ra and the Princesses of Power.

“I was really interested in finding what my next project would be, and finding something epic, serialized, action-adventure, fantasy, sci-fi…all of the things I wanted to do. [She-Ra] has this majority female cast, it’s centered around a female hero, it’s got rainbows and it’s got robots, it’s got everything I like in one place.”

Stevenson pitched her vision for the show to DreamWorks, who had purchased the classic library that included the character She-Ra, and was looking for someone to develop the series “When you’re working on a pitch, you have no idea if it’ll go or not, or really what will happen. At that stage, anything can happen, so it’s best not to get too attached to what you’re working on. But I realized at one point, ‘Oh my God, I love this, I really, really want this.’ Two and a half years later, I’ve only gotten more entrenched in it. It is very, very dear to me.”



Like in the original 1985 series, our protagonist, Adora, was kidnapped as a baby and raised with the Evil Horde, only to discover her true identity later in life. “We’ve really started from the same starting point where the original show started from because Adora has such a great backstory,” Stevenson says. “She’s separated from her family as a baby, she’s sent to another planet, she’s adopted by the villain overlord and raised by him in this evil army. She’s been raised to believe that the villains are doing the right thing and that the Princesses are the evil ones. And so we follow her as she has this crisis of faith; she’s been very sheltered her whole life and as she starts to experience the world, she realizes that there’s more to this than she knew, that maybe there’s a reason they were called the Evil Horde,” Stevenson laughs, “that maybe they were evil.”

As she discovers more about the world, Adora also has to learn how to live up to the She-Ra identity. “As She-Ra, she doesn’t know how to act. This is all new to her, and it’s a little clumsy at first. It’s like an uncomfortable suit. She’s like, ‘Okay, here I am. I’m very glamorous, I’m very strong, people are looking up to me — because I’m very tall.’”

And as a first-time showrunner, Stevenson, too, has learned what it’s like to have people look up to her. “I’ve had to learn so much in such a relatively short period of time because being a showrunner requires so many different skills. It’s not just making a comic where it’s you yourself writing, drawing, doing everything; you are working with a team of people. So much of what I had to learn is how to be a leader, and how to bring out the best in my crew and support and encourage my crew to create the best show that we can. That’s been so much of the way that I’ve grown since being on this show.”

Current twitter feed on the She Ra reveal: not surprised.

Post: #2

Wtf is She-Ra? I've never heard of it and I watched ALOT of cartoon network.

Post: #3

No idea who the hell this is, but a quick google search for her picture told me all I needed to know about this show:



WNW

Post: #4

But...

wyb she-ra?

Post: #5

The look of the original She-ra (twin sister of He-man) and her team from the 1980s cartoon She-Ra: Princess of Power, was pretty gay....but she wasn't transgender.

Post: #6

Brought to you from the network that has instituted the 5-second eye-contact limit.

Before this they also de-sexed Allura from Voltron by making her into a sort of lesbian elf with a really dark tan.




Mons pubis in animation is now an endangered species, I suppose.

I don't know why straight girls would get into a show that clearly want to project an ideal of butch lesbian iconography. Do girls really have NO body-image aspirations anymore?

It doesn't mean She-Ra has to be a double-D bombshell, but at least a damn B-cup for cryin' out loud. I guess we're lucky she actually has long hair instead of your usual Miley Cyrus do.

Post: #7

(07-16-2018 04:58 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Wtf is She-Ra? I've never heard of it and I watched ALOT of cartoon network.

Basically the barbie counter to He-Man.

Post: #8

The insanity is that the term He-Man comes from He-Man woman hater club. It fosters traditional ideas of heterosexual idealism. This is also why Prince Adam was portrayed as a soyboy simp (despite his physique) and his battle-cat was called "Cringer".


(The men on the She-Ra team look even more soy than Cringer.)

She-Ra was cut from the same generic cloth as classic Wonder Woman or Isis. She was meant to play in the hero sandbox but not at the expense of her poise or child-bearing hips.

So for a lesbian to come in and redesign the characters as more androgynous than Bowie in his heyday goes against the entire premise of these shows. That subversion is, of course, INTENTIONAL.

Post: #9

(07-16-2018 04:58 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  Wtf is She-Ra? I've never heard of it and I watched ALOT of cartoon network.

Ditto. Cartoon Network didn’t even show He-Man back in the day...

Post: #10

(07-16-2018 05:17 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  But...

wyb she-ra?

Look at those tiddys

Post: #11

what gets me is the shaming language of these women. These women LIVE off compliments, all the catcalling, all the compliments all the chilvary. etc if all that were to stop these narcissistic women would literally die.

To a woman 80% of the likes she gets and lives for are from the guys she complains about



she-ra was a boring character. I honestly have no problem with the reboot as i feel women and sadly girls are waaaaay too sexual nowadays. Which leads to me-too type accusations, hypergamy, entitlement, etc etc.

Post: #12

(07-16-2018 04:50 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

WB everyone with hair past their shoulders.

*Assuming two X chromosomes.

Post: #13

2018: He-Ra and She-Man

Post: #14

(07-16-2018 04:50 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

Hey, I'll give 'em a bit o' credit.
They definitely nailed the entitled arrogance & aggravating individual look...

Post: #15

She-Ra and He-Man were both shitty cartoons.

Thundercats was a good cartoon and included Cheetara.



Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had April O'Neal

Post: #16

(07-16-2018 04:50 PM)BlueResolute Wrote:  Another traditional female hero has been transformed into the twisted liberal version of today's media.

What's so traditional about She-Ra? It was a lame cartoon designed to sell toys rather than present any culturally worthwhile narrative.

Post: #17

(07-17-2018 01:44 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  She-Ra and He-Man were both shitty cartoons.

Thundercats was a good cartoon and included Cheetara.



Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had April O'Neal

Remember when pornstar April O'Neil cosplayed as April O'Neil?

Post: #18

I'd be okay with rebooting the characters with somewhat more modest costumes, if that's all that was going on. The showrunner chick is completely disingenuous in that first tweet, but superficially has a point: there is something weird about men wanting sexual titillation from a children's cartoon character. Toning down the tits-and-ass for a kids show is not a bad idea in itself, and even without butch-cut weirdos running things I suspect you're going to see more of that in the future as more people become aware of the pedo infestation in all levels/genres of the entertainment media.

But of course, that's not what's going on. Her intent is not to eliminate the creepy pedo vibe that infests a lot of comics (think fanservice and hidden sexual imagery woven into even classic Disney animation). Her first intent is to stick it to men generally, by eliminating any element of male-centric aesthetic or behavioral appeal in the character. She's meant to be a role model or character model for young girls? Well, we can't have her conforming to sexist beauty norms, acting in any way submissive or subordinate to men, or otherwise comporting herself in a way that recognizes men and men's interests and abilities as legitimate.

Post: #19

All the cartoons I grew up with had big tit women with flat stomachs, round hips, and thick asses.

Post: #20

She Ra is He-Man's sister. She also murdered He-Man.

He Man was a best selling toy for 5 years in the 1980s. In 1986, He-Man had 400 million dollars of Toy Revenue, had a hit TV show, had several hundred million in liscencing fees, a movie in production, and was valued as a one billion dollar intellectual property.

The key to the success of He-Man was cynical corporate market research. This research told them that 5 year old boys hate being bossed around and feel powerless. He-Man's slogan was "I have the power," and this was repeated in the cartoon, toy packaging, and advertising.

Little boys could have the power with He-Man. Until they couldn't.

See, the He-Man toys were big sellers with girls too. About 20% of buyers of He-Man toys were for girls, and this 20% was such a big number that He-Man toys were a #1 girls toy, outselling Barbie. There were girl He-Man characters. The line was inclusive from the beginning, but all of the figures were really juiced plastic moulded figures, without a lot of the features in girls toys like outfits and brushable hair.

The toy executives saw the success of He man among girls and created the sister She-Ra for girls. She-Ra borrowed He-Man's slogan "I have the power," and borrowed the plots from He-Mans cartoon. But the She Ra dolls were 9 inches to He-Mans 5 1/2, and had pink unicorns, brushable hair, and changeable outfits.

Once little boys saw their little sisters shouting "I have the power," playing with girly pony unicorns, and She-Ra dolls that were so much bigger than He-Man ( that made He Man look like a wimp), boys abandoned He-Man in droves. Sales for He-Man fell off the cliff. He-Man didn't have the power any more, that was given to his sister.

And once boys stopped playing with He-Man, girls stopped playing with She-Ra. The extensive market research for boys was not done with girls. That market research would have told them that those girls were buying He-Man in large numbers to play with the boys, not because of the value of the toys themselves.

So, by killing the appeal of He-Man for boys (the power fantasy), they also killed He Man for girls. He-Man is toxic even in 2018, nobody can find buyers for it.

Disney's Star Wars changes were able to rapidly destroy Star Wars toy sales by similarly betraying the same audience. When Toys R Us died, it's shelves were full of 2-5 year old Star Wars toys that never sold.

The girls who watched "She-Ra" as a kid, watched "Tomb Raider" and supported the genre of "90 pound waifs beat up 300 pound wrestlers" As adults.

So, was She Ra ahead of its time, or just the toxic poison that destroyed 1 billion dollars of shareholder value? Powerful girls cartoons are mainstream these days. And will girls support a She-Ra who kind of looks like Disney's Tarzan?

Post: #21

(07-17-2018 09:46 AM)Alsos Wrote:  there is something weird about men wanting sexual titillation from a children's cartoon character.

And what evidence is there that classic She-Ra was designed the way she was specifically to satisfy adult male sex fantasies?

In modern anime I think the female characters are oversexed (The difference then vs. now is quite stark with the Starblazers/Yamato reboot) but I think an idealized healthy feminine body with a narrow waist and some boobs is perfectly healthy in kid programming for the target demographic of these shows. It also provides a sort of sexual gateway-drug for boys as they go into puberty and age-out of cartoons. Why does it have to be equated with fetishes or pedophilia? To go down that road is to buy into the current feminist dogma about toxic masculinity.

Post: #22

(07-17-2018 10:13 AM)Rotten Wrote:  She Ra is He-Man's sister. She also murdered He-Man....And will girls support a She-Ra who kind of looks like Disney's Tarzan?

Post: #23

Deep. The history explains itself. Good to also see that biology doesn't care about equality.

Post: #24

I started reading through the comments under this controversy here and there and let me tell you it is a black-pill shit-show of epic proportions. Pretty much ever Big Red style man-hater is out with a vengeance on this one.

It would be ok if these things were isolated cases but it's happening now like clockwork, this ongoing pattern of de-sexualizing characters through reboots. Before this it was Thundercats, and before that, flat-chested Lara Croft, and before that, flat-chested Wonder Woman.

There really is a sentiment among the movers and shakers in hollywood that it's good business to score SJW brownie-points this way.

It's also right up there with getting rid of the swimsuit competition in Miss America.

And yet at the same time you have the #MeToo nude photospreads.

Women are so fucked up these days in their relationship with their body image. If they've got it, they want to flaunt it, but only for "respectful" attention. If they don't have it, they want to make sure no pop culture icons have it either, so as not to feel inadequate in the face of beauty standards.

Since these heroes can't be fat (like most of society is these days) the lowest common denominator are flat-chested waifs with no hips and wide shoulders. The man-hands and man-faces in stuff like She-Ra come by virtue of the lesbian artists behind the scenes.

Post: #25

I have no idea who this character or what this show or comic strip is about (who the fuck cares) but one thing I know with certainty, it will get rave reviews. No one will watch it. It will be renewed and websites like bustle, collider, etc will rank it as one of the best Netflix originals and blame heteronormative white male villainy for the low view numbers.