Post: #101

Thoughts on Herman Cain?



Guy is pretty funny.

Has been busting some double breasted suits.

He should take some style cues from Former Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown though:

Post: #102

Herman Cain is the establishment's 'alternative' candidate - no real difference when it comes to wars and foreign policy and the underlying fractional reserve banking system. Chrs Christie's endorsement of Romney today tells me that Christie will get the Repub. nominaton in 2016 -

Romney is another looser.

Obama in 2012 -

Post: #103

(10-11-2011 07:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Thoughts on Herman Cain?



Guy is pretty funny.

Has been busting some double breasted suits.

He should take some style cues from Former Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown though:

Herman doesn't suck dick , I don't think.

Post: #104

Romney is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination even though nobody really likes him. There just aren't any credible alternatives and ultimately the party establishment's going to go with the guy who they think can win. Romney probably won't be a great candidate but if the economy doesn't improve between now and the election he could win by making the election about Obama and hoping people blame him for the country's economic performance (which they usually do, for better or for worse). I'd still give Obama better than even odds of getting re-elected because incumbent Presidents have a lot of advantages--look at Bush, he got re-elected rather easily despite a relatively weak economy, 2 wars, scandals, and having been in an extremely tight race in 2000. If the unemployment rate falls significantly before election day Obama will win in a walk.

Post: #105

(10-11-2011 08:54 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  Romney is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination even though nobody really likes him. There just aren't any credible alternatives and ultimately the party establishment's going to go with the guy who they think can win. Romney probably won't be a great candidate but if the economy doesn't improve between now and the election he could win by making the election about Obama and hoping people blame him for the country's economic performance (which they usually do, for better or for worse). I'd still give Obama better than even odds of getting re-elected because incumbent Presidents have a lot of advantages--look at Bush, he got re-elected rather easily despite a relatively weak economy, 2 wars, scandals, and having been in an extremely tight race in 2000. If the unemployment rate falls significantly before election day Obama will win in a walk.

Bush got elected because of 9/11. Had that not happen and the country unite he would not have been elected imo.

I hope the Republican party doesnt make the same mistake they made in 2008.

You can not put someone for the nomination that DIVIDES the party. Many republicans didnt like McCain, many Republicans dont like Romney.

Unbelievable they havent found ANYONE in 4 years that is a "safe" pick.

Romney is a freaking morman for christs sake. SMH.....

With that said I still dont think Obama gets reelected. Economy is in pure shits right now. He didnt deliver on 1/3 of his promises.

I will be shocked if he wins in 2012

Post: #106

(10-11-2011 09:59 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 08:54 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  Romney is almost certainly going to win the Republican nomination even though nobody really likes him. There just aren't any credible alternatives and ultimately the party establishment's going to go with the guy who they think can win. Romney probably won't be a great candidate but if the economy doesn't improve between now and the election he could win by making the election about Obama and hoping people blame him for the country's economic performance (which they usually do, for better or for worse). I'd still give Obama better than even odds of getting re-elected because incumbent Presidents have a lot of advantages--look at Bush, he got re-elected rather easily despite a relatively weak economy, 2 wars, scandals, and having been in an extremely tight race in 2000. If the unemployment rate falls significantly before election day Obama will win in a walk.

Bush got elected because of 9/11. Had that not happen and the country unite he would not have been elected imo.

I hope the Republican party doesnt make the same mistake they made in 2008.

You can not put someone for the nomination that DIVIDES the party. Many republicans didnt like McCain, many Republicans dont like Romney.

Unbelievable they havent found ANYONE in 4 years that is a "safe" pick.

Romney is a freaking morman for christs sake. SMH.....

With that said I still dont think Obama gets reelected. Economy is in pure shits right now. He didnt deliver on 1/3 of his promises.

I will be shocked if he wins in 2012

Yeah, it's unbelievable how since the primaries began the Republicans have been praying for someone to save them from having to nominate Mitt Romney but literally nobody has stepped up the plate who's the slightest bit credible as an alternative. Romney's pretty much going to win the nomination by default because the rest of the GOP field is so weak, and he could very well win the general election despite being a below-average candidate if people are voting "against" Obama rather than "for" him. My theory is that everyone who would have been a decent candidate assumed early on that Obama would win re-election easily and decided to hold off until 2016.

I don't know that McCain necessarily underperformed as a Presidential candidate. He lost to Obama by about 7 points but remember that the Democrats took the House by about 10 points overall. I don't think any Republican could have won the White House in 2008 given how the economy had just fallen off a cliff and how pissed off people were at Bush in particular and the Republican party in general. Picking Sarah Palin as his running mate certainly didn't help him, and if nothing else she's certainly someone who appeals to the Republican "base" voters.

Post: #107

(10-11-2011 09:59 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  With that said I still dont think Obama gets reelected. Economy is in pure shits right now. He didnt deliver on 1/3 of his promises.

I will be shocked if he wins in 2012

In fairness most politicians don't deliver on 1/3 of their promises. And it isn't always a matter of being hoodwinked, sometimes once they just can't get their promises past a partisan congress. The Republicans have basically made any raising of taxes on the rich impossible. They are more ideologically committed to protecting the wealth of the top 10% than paying down the debt. Their solution? Cut taxes, cut social spending, ramp up military spending, and let the bottom 90% eat cake.

As for G's question about Herman Cain. I think it's ridiculous that he's running with zero political experience. Even if he were capable, he should know it's not a selling point to be the highest elected official with no political experience to speak of. He's not electable. Plus I'm quite skeptical that the same crowd swearing that Obama isn't a "real American" is going to vote for a black man, and a very dark one at that. He was probably allowed to float to the ranks just for PR purposes. "Look! We have a black man running! And we like him, see we aren't racists!" Of course part of the deal is that Cain never brings up race in any way that antagonizes whites. No, he ain't getting nominated, it's all for show. He probably even knows that.

The only Republican running with anything interesting to say is Ron Paul. He's the only one that comes across as an independent thinker. The rest are just towing the party line. I agree with him on certain things, but I can't support his libertarian outlook on economics. I think we need things like single payer healthcare.

Post: #108

(10-11-2011 11:26 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:59 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  With that said I still dont think Obama gets reelected. Economy is in pure shits right now. He didnt deliver on 1/3 of his promises.

I will be shocked if he wins in 2012

The only Republican running with anything interesting to say is Ron Paul. He's the only one that comes across as an independent thinker. The rest are just towing the party line. I agree with him on certain things, but I can't support his libertarian outlook on economics. I think we need things like single payer healthcare.

It's not like Ron Paul has a snowball's chance in hell of getting nominated either.

Post: #109

Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can’t. I am going on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term. The media won’t tell you this because a good election campaign means hundreds of millions (or in Obama’s case billions) of dollars to them in advertising. But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak Obama can be defeated in 2012.
The quality of the Republican candidate doesn’t matter. Obama gets reelected. Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win. Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins. The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins. War in the Middle East? He wins a second term. America’s role as the leading Superpower disappears? Hurrah for Barak Obama! The U.S. government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services soars due to inflation fueled by Obama’s extraordinary deficit spending? Obama wins handily. Don’t you understand how volatile politics can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining? Sure I do. And that’s why I know Obama will win. The American people are notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why Obama should be defeated. Even when Obama’s policies lead the nation to final ruin, the majority of the American people are going to believe the bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will use to explain why it isn’t his fault. After all, things were much worse than understood when he took office.
Obama’s reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider the following:
1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn’t matter what he does. It’s a race thing. He’s one of us,
2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It’s really not more complex than that,
3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope,
4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and his coattails will carry them to victory nationwide,
5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for those who are illegal and Hispanic leaders recognize the political clout they carry in the Democratic Party,
6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their key to money and power in business, state and local politics,
7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his connections with Big Business and is gaining more everyday. Big Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money so long as they support his social and political agenda,
8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist,
9) Most other minorities and special interest groups will vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims will support him because they won’t vote Republican. American Indians will support him. Obviously homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly,
10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he doesn’t need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012

Post: #110

(10-11-2011 11:55 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can’t. I am going on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term. The media won’t tell you this because a good election campaign means hundreds of millions (or in Obama’s case billions) of dollars to them in advertising. But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak Obama can be defeated in 2012.
The quality of the Republican candidate doesn’t matter. Obama gets reelected. Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win. Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins. The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins. War in the Middle East? He wins a second term. America’s role as the leading Superpower disappears? Hurrah for Barak Obama! The U.S. government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services soars due to inflation fueled by Obama’s extraordinary deficit spending? Obama wins handily. Don’t you understand how volatile politics can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining? Sure I do. And that’s why I know Obama will win. The American people are notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why Obama should be defeated. Even when Obama’s policies lead the nation to final ruin, the majority of the American people are going to believe the bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will use to explain why it isn’t his fault. After all, things were much worse than understood when he took office.
Obama’s reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider the following:
1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn’t matter what he does. It’s a race thing. He’s one of us,
2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It’s really not more complex than that,
3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope,
4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and his coattails will carry them to victory nationwide,
5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for those who are illegal and Hispanic leaders recognize the political clout they carry in the Democratic Party,
6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their key to money and power in business, state and local politics,
7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his connections with Big Business and is gaining more everyday. Big Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money so long as they support his social and political agenda,
8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist,
9) Most other minorities and special interest groups will vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims will support him because they won’t vote Republican. American Indians will support him. Obviously homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly,
10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he doesn’t need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012

Sure.

But have you looked at a map of The USA lately?

100% of the dumb, fat, rednecks will vote against Obama.

Therefore, I think the election will be a neck and neck thriller.

Post: #111

Jason Zee

Your gonna be in for a surprise......

There is a reason why the republicans and democrats play musical chairs with the presidents seat almost every 4 years.

Things have to be going good or some crazy event / war would have to take place inorder for a president to win a second term when his first one was not a success.

Post: #112

(10-11-2011 08:41 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Thoughts on Herman Cain?



Guy is pretty funny.

Has been busting some double breasted suits.

He should take some style cues from Former Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown though:

Herman doesn't suck dick , I don't think.

I don't know the full story, but I think you got (so to speak) the wrong guy.

From what I know, Willie Brown is the quintessential Playboy.

Hell, you dress like him, you swoop 50 girls a year by just stepping out the house.

Post: #113

(10-12-2011 02:12 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 08:41 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Thoughts on Herman Cain?



Guy is pretty funny.

Has been busting some double breasted suits.

He should take some style cues from Former Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown though:

Herman doesn't suck dick , I don't think.

I don't know the full story, but I think you got (so to speak) the wrong guy.

From what I know, Willie Brown is the quintessential Playboy.

Hell, you dress like him, you swoop 50 girls a year by just stepping out the house.

Yes , I was being funny , but nevertheless, it is a slanderous remark I should have not made. Retraction in order. The guppy lips thru me off.

Post: #114

Slightly off topic but Willie Brown is like a god here in Northern California/Bay Area. He is almost universally loved by everyone... left-wing, right-wing, atheist, communist, or whatever. He is on the radio and tv all the time and I even think he was/is a commentator for the 49ers broadcast. He is always dressed super fly, I don't think I ever seen him not wearing a suit. He projects himself as a nice guy which definitely helps his likeability.

Post: #115

Wouldn't you know it, Herman Cain is in the lead. Strange election year.

Post: #116

Perry fires a missile at Romney:

Post: #117

Cain is going to win the Republican nomination and the Presidency. and alot of that is because of race. alot of republican blacks will vote for Cain as opposed to someone like Romney. and Cain is the only guy who can tell Obama what a joke he is w/out being called a racist. and it will be hilarious watching all those 'racist' tea partiers support the guy.

Post: #118

(10-12-2011 06:52 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  Wouldn't you know it, Herman Cain is in the lead. Strange election year.

The GOP won't have a final nominee until probably next Spring or so. Who is leading right now doesn't even matter much.

Post: #119

(10-14-2011 02:23 PM)Brian Wrote:  Cain is going to win the Republican nomination and the Presidency. and alot of that is because of race. alot of republican blacks will vote for Cain as opposed to someone like Romney. and Cain is the only guy who can tell Obama what a joke he is w/out being called a racist. and it will be hilarious watching all those 'racist' tea partiers support the guy.

So you're making an exception now on your tax-raising stance.
His 9-9-9 plan raises taxes on those making 50k$ or less.

Post: #120

Question for people on Herman Cain:

I like the cat. He seems funny.

But then I read that he admitted to shying away from the Civil Rights Movement when he was the perfect age to be participating.

He basically stayed indoors while others fought.

I am not African-American so I am in no place to judge the guy.

I was curious to the brothers on here what they think of him on this point?

Seems to me to be a pretty weak move.

Can't America produce a politician with a decent resume and track record?

Post: #121

(10-14-2011 06:50 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Question for people on Herman Cain:

I like the cat. He seems funny.

But then I read that he admitted to shying away from the Civil Rights Movement when he was the perfect age to be participating.

He basically stayed indoors while others fought.

I am not African-American so I am in no place to judge the guy.

I was curious to the brothers on here what they think of him on this point?

Seems to me to be a pretty weak move.

Can't America produce a politician with a decent resume and track record?

I'm not black so excuse me if I offend any of the forums' brothers or ruffle any feathers, but to me this Herman Cain guy is a textbook Uncle Tom.

Post: #122

(10-14-2011 06:23 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 02:23 PM)Brian Wrote:  Cain is going to win the Republican nomination and the Presidency. and alot of that is because of race. alot of republican blacks will vote for Cain as opposed to someone like Romney. and Cain is the only guy who can tell Obama what a joke he is w/out being called a racist. and it will be hilarious watching all those 'racist' tea partiers support the guy.

So you're making an exception now on your tax-raising stance.
His 9-9-9 plan raises taxes on those making 50k$ or less.

yes, as long as its done in a fair way instead of this 'millionaire and billionaire' nonsense being spouted from Obama. the hypocrisy of what he says about rich people "paying their fair share" while the top 1% pays a hell of a lot more then 1% of the tax income is unreal. there are way too many people being given a free ride who just vote for whoever gives them the most free shit. that will only go on for so long before it collapses the system. if you live in a city like NY you are paying well over 50% of your income to taxes when you get thru with city, state, property, etc, yet somehow in his mind thats not fair. the 'rich' can only carry the 'poor' for so long before it collapses. read 'atlas shrugged' when you have a few days to kill

Post: #123

(10-14-2011 07:16 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 06:23 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 02:23 PM)Brian Wrote:  Cain is going to win the Republican nomination and the Presidency. and alot of that is because of race. alot of republican blacks will vote for Cain as opposed to someone like Romney. and Cain is the only guy who can tell Obama what a joke he is w/out being called a racist. and it will be hilarious watching all those 'racist' tea partiers support the guy.

So you're making an exception now on your tax-raising stance.
His 9-9-9 plan raises taxes on those making 50k$ or less.

yes, as long as its done in a fair way instead of this 'millionaire and billionaire' nonsense being spouted from Obama. the hypocrisy of what he says about rich people "paying their fair share" while the top 1% pays a hell of a lot more then 1% of the tax income is unreal. there are way too many people being given a free ride who just vote for whoever gives them the most free shit. that will only go on for so long before it collapses the system. if you live in a city like NY you are paying well over 50% of your income to taxes when you get thru with city, state, property, etc, yet somehow in his mind thats not fair. the 'rich' can only carry the 'poor' for so long before it collapses. read 'atlas shrugged' when you have a few days to kill

Buffet payed 11% in tax last year.

I think the rich can pay a little bit more.

Brian, serious question:

Are you a greedy billionaire yourself, or do you just love defending greedy billionaires?

If you the first one, I get it.

If you are the second one, I don't.

Post: #124

First, Warren Buffett is a grade A asshole. if he wants to pay more in taxes he can send a big fat check over to the IRS. they wont reject it. and his tax rate is too low, but even still he just stroked a big fat check the irs was glad to have.

Secondly, I absolutely think any "carried interest" loophole tax benefits used by hedge funds should be closed. but instead of actually closing the carried interest tax loopholes Obama will bitch about millionaires and billionaires then raise taxes on everyone making over 250k and leave the carried interst loophole open. what percent of people making over 250k are actually hedge funders? .001%?? its deceptive. frankly its just a lie. but thats what he does.

thirdly, the reason i defend millionaires and billionaires is because i'm not a hater of successful people. most of them took risks, put their own capital on the line, worked their asses off, and ultimately succeeded. you want to start a business and be successful? go for it. start a hedge fund a raise capital. come up with a business idea. get told its impossible by 100 people until the 101st lets you borrow money. risk failure and bankruptcy. work 16 hour days 7 days a week for 10 years w/o a vacation. pay corporate taxes. hire people and give them a life, pay them a salary that lets them feed their families. why punish these people? they provide so many essential things to a society yet they are currently being demonized and classified as evil because 'they dont pay their fair share' when they are still paying a big amount and a great percentage of people PAY NOTHING AND WANT MORE FREE SHIT

Post: #125

(10-14-2011 07:16 PM)Brian Wrote:  if you live in a city like NY you are paying well over 50% of your income to taxes when you get thru with city, state, property, etc

Change the city to Honolulu, add capital gains and fuel tax, you can bump that 50% up to 59%. That doesn't account for the six cents per booze bottle I pay, and just give my empties to a homeless guy. It also doesn't account for the gas I bought that I lost the receipts.

I don't have time to take my bottles to the redemption center because I'm busy hustling most of the time 20 hours a day.

According to the IRS in Fresno CA I'm in the top 1%. I think when the system is really fucked is when guys like me decide it's just easier to be in the bottom 99% and cut our hours from 20 to ten a day. I can't begin to tell you how pissed I'd be if I was paying 59% of a billion dollars.

As I typed this I was on the phone putting the 19th person on my medical insurance. Then there's my 59%. I'm proud that I can provide important things for as many people as possible, I just wish there was a happy medium someone could come to to even it out.

Or how about a Christmas Card or a box of candy from the IRS? There's businesses that i'm a six figure customer of, and I have a few myself. I get all kinds of little "thank you for your business" type freebies and give them out. I gave all my tenants presents to say mahalo for all the business. I don't know what they make in Fresno CA but send me something?

Aloha!