Elderly Chat rocks. I've tried it on a few women and as a total daygame noob I still got instant positive reinforcement.
Smiles. Politeness. Harmless convos with pretty girls. So far, I've haven't had the green light for GALNUC, but if I do get talking to a bird who fancies me or finds me interesting, she'll be glad that I had the balls to approach her and say something.
With direct daygame, I'd have to move to London, hang out in Tottenham Court Road, physically block the path of women going about their day and then broadcast that I wanted to get to know them better purely on the basis of their looks.
Somehow, I don't think that would work out for me.
I like how you don't rule out direct game Roosh . Direct is definitely more intermediate/advanced, mainly because you really have to have a thick skin and a level of self assurance to pull it off. When i first started with it, i got rejected quite a bit but partly is that i didn't use any emotion and enthusiasm and forced a smile. But then as did more of that, i got rejected less and less.
Also, the guys who are saying that girls don't want to be pestered is the wrong mentality to have. Women WANT to be approached even during the day time. The thing is, they just don't expect it. Why else would they look good? Getting looked at is one thing but for a man to go up to her really confirms that she's attractive and it relates to how she feels.
Plus girls know a guy going up to them without alcohol, is a very bold, risky thing to do because your willing to face being rejected head on. That's why its High Risk, High reward.
Even with indirect, most girls already know why you're there after a minute. Just that they're probably attracted to you, to where it doesn't really matter. I don't think it matters what you start out with as eventually you'll find the style you want.
Yea, for day game...you definitely have to show dominance. that means stopping them in their tracks as their walking. What's worked for me is to stop them directly in front by putting your hand out motioning them and saying "STOP" with a smile and look of intent on my face. But you're doing this from the front. When that's done correctly...they typically will stop. If done right they'll laugh or say "hi! " if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
Also if she's still trying to walk, ur talking to her. One thing you could do is to stop and see if she'll stop as well and keep talking back. If she does that, thats a good sign.
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2011 09:35 AM by TheWolfHowls.)
09-25-2011 09:35 AM
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(09-25-2011 09:35 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: Yea, for day game...you definitely have to show dominance. that means stopping them in their tracks as their walking. What's worked for me is to stop them directly in front by putting your hand out motioning them and saying "STOP" with a smile and look of intent on my face. But you're doing this from the front. When that's done correctly...they typically will stop. If done right they'll laugh or say "hi! " if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
Also if she's still trying to walk, ur talking to her. One thing you could do is to stop and see if she'll stop as well and keep talking back. If she does that, thats a good sign.
Hahaha, you can't be serious dude. What you're describing is exactly what these bad game videos showcase (anti-game). Direct game doesn't mean jumping in front of someone like a sideshow clown.
"Wait and see." - Fisto
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2011 09:44 AM by Gmac.)
(09-25-2011 09:35 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: Yea, for day game...you definitely have to show dominance. that means stopping them in their tracks as their walking. What's worked for me is to stop them directly in front by putting your hand out motioning them and saying "STOP" with a smile and look of intent on my face. But you're doing this from the front. When that's done correctly...they typically will stop. If done right they'll laugh or say "hi! " if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
Also if she's still trying to walk, ur talking to her. One thing you could do is to stop and see if she'll stop as well and keep talking back. If she does that, thats a good sign.
Hahaha, you can't be serious dude. What you're describing is exactly what these bad game videos showcase (anti-game). Direct game doesn't mean jumping in front of someone like a sideshow clown.
Your not jumping in front of anyone. Your in her line of vision. Your both walking to each other(....> <........) ...and then as she's about 10 feet away, you stop her. As described in this video:
(09-25-2011 10:09 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: What Yad did in his video is one way, i like doing it the way i mentioned.
I get it, I do. I'm not saying it's impossible, but 99 times out of 100 you're going to scare a girl with this tactic. The girl in the video with Yad was Russian. A foreign girl from an eastern country where women are often subjugated... in a new city all by herself. I'm not surprised she stopped. Do you think this would work in America?
"Hey sorry can I tell you something really quickly? Ok cool. I just saw you and I love, what... your style?"
What?! No chance. The language barrier may have helped him out a bit here I think.
I'd like to see the success rates of these guys. Did Yad end up banging the girl?
Quote:If done right they'll laugh or say "hi!" if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
How do you do it right then? Because the way you're explaining things doesn't really prove anything. I think it takes a certain high energy personality to pull off direct game, but the majority of the time it just comes off as strange. Good looking men can often get a pass or two, your average guy is going to fail far more often even with decent skill than with indirect. I still think it makes you look like a clown. To each his own I guess.
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(This post was last modified: 09-25-2011 10:41 AM by Gmac.)
Quote:"Hey sorry can I tell you something really quickly? Ok cool. I just saw you and I love, what... your style?"
What?! No chance. The language barrier may have helped him out a bit here I think.
I'd like to see the success rates of these guys. Did Yad end up banging the girl?
That's half assed direct. Direct instead would be "You are stunning and I am going to get to know you" Not asking for her permission but actually assuming that she'll go along with it.
Quote:How do you do it right then? Because the way you're explaining things doesn't really prove anything. I think it takes a certain high energy personality to pull off direct game, but the majority of the time it just comes off as strange. Good looking men can often get a pass or two, your average guy is going to fail far more often even with decent skill than with indirect. I still think it makes you look like a clown. To each his own I guess.
Yes, to pull of direct game...you have to have good energy...what im wondering is why wouldn't u have good energy anyways? It'd be ineffective otherwise. The average guy is going to fail not because of how he looks BUT because most of them don't show enthusiasm or intent and do it half assed. I personally have good energy, so its why it fits me. To be fair i think a lot of indirect principles are clownish because honestly...who cares if she has good style or what time it is or other stuff? We don't care about any of that. We just want to do stuff with her. But I do have a respect for certain indirect things but i'm more of a direct guy. As you said, to each his own.
(This post was last modified: 09-25-2011 11:19 AM by TheWolfHowls.)
I think direct is better for higher skilled players or if you are really on a roll.
Direct game done without intent and 100 percent confidence scares away girls easily and results in a very low sucess rate.
Now direct game done when you have momentum can be effective, however that only leads it to being useful a small percentage of times.
I loved Day Bang because it gave a proper framework for indirect game that works in the daytime and doesn't involve a massive structure that you have to memorize. It also gives great information on logistics. I've started using the Day Bang framework when I'm out solo(when I usually have a really hard time being ballsy and have more AA) or when I'm warming up or in a bookstore. Day Bang's framework is great for anything other than moving sets(which is where I usually have to go in loud and stop them). I haven't hit Galnuc yet because I'm still working on my rambling(I used to think rambling and elderly chat was useless to attract a girl so I'm trying to decondition my mind from thinking that).
The best thing I took from Day Bang was that you don't need to be awesome or amazing to meet girls in the daytime, you simply need to be able to hold a conversation and be somewhat interesting(which I know I am). Day Bang is all about making girls think it happened naturally.
Don't get me wrong, direct game has its uses when you are in the right frame of mind and see a girl that you just want to go for with all your being.
09-25-2011 12:05 PM
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(09-25-2011 08:41 AM)Gmac Wrote: Factors that make street game so much more difficult:
*Time - Women in motion are often closed to any interaction because they have to be somewhere, especially during commutes -- you might only have a few seconds before you're shut out for reasons beyond your control.
True, but this can be mitigated by venue selection, i.e. place and time. A girl strolling around central park on a Sunday is probably going to be much more receptive than one speed walking down K-street in a pantsuit on a Wednesday.
In practice, I've actually found little correlation between how busy a girl looks, judging by walking speed and facial expression, and how receptive she is to be opened. It's all pretty random.
09-26-2011 03:59 AM
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(09-25-2011 10:09 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: What Yad did in his video is one way, i like doing it the way i mentioned.
I get it, I do. I'm not saying it's impossible, but 99 times out of 100 you're going to scare a girl with this tactic. The girl in the video with Yad was Russian. A foreign girl from an eastern country where women are often subjugated... in a new city all by herself. I'm not surprised she stopped. Do you think this would work in America?
"Hey sorry can I tell you something really quickly? Ok cool. I just saw you and I love, what... your style?"
What?! No chance. The language barrier may have helped him out a bit here I think.
I'd like to see the success rates of these guys. Did Yad end up banging the girl?
Quote:If done right they'll laugh or say "hi!" if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
How do you do it right then? Because the way you're explaining things doesn't really prove anything. I think it takes a certain high energy personality to pull off direct game, but the majority of the time it just comes off as strange. Good looking men can often get a pass or two, your average guy is going to fail far more often even with decent skill than with indirect. I still think it makes you look like a clown. To each his own I guess.
Listen to Gmac, this man speaks the truth. Here's a video of a guy doing direct game in America. Watch the reaction of the woman at 2:50.
This is how American women react to an average guy doing direct game. You may think it's masculine and alpha and bold, but women here are conditioned to believe it's low value and creepy.
(This post was last modified: 09-26-2011 06:15 PM by Mace.)
09-26-2011 06:14 PM
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This is how American women react to an average guy doing direct game. You may think it's masculine and alpha and bold, but women here are conditioned to believe it's low value and creepy.
If it was there was a market to bet on this, I would automatically wager $50 on any and every guy who fanatically sticks to a single, extreme and inflexible method, that he is a failure at what he does (whether it's picking up girls or anything else).
I'd be taking Warren Buffet out to lunch within a few hours.
Sorry, not buying it and i don't agree with Gmac or you. How is it low value and creepy? What makes indirect less creepy? How is this guy a perfect example of direct game? Because she reacts that way? Even if he did it indirect, she would've been weirded out regardless. She was weirded out by "him", not direct. You guys are using footage of bad direct approaches on purpose to try to prove that it doesn't work. Explain how they are conditioned to view it low value and creepy? I can get a million videos of indirect guys sucking but does that prove that it doesn't work? No. Girls are conditioned to view a "half assed" your beautiful or cat call line as creepy and low value.
Your telling me if you went up to a woman said a direct line with power, dominant and confidence...that you'd creep them out? HAHAHA! Sorry but I don't believe that.
1) I dont have Day Bang yet (broke at the moment)
2) Not one for day game in general
How important would you say proper clothing and other passive displays of value are in day game?
Weirdos, wackjobs, and hobos seem to be a universal "fear" (especially in America) when talking to anyone random on the street or out in public. I can tell you right now a man in a suit comes up and says "Excuse me" I'm much more apt to stop and here what he has to say then if some dude in a cut off jean shorts and a holey t-shirt tried to stop me.
In the lats video posted before this comment (two guys in a mall) their both wearing what look like handed down clothes, one needs to shave, and neither is that good looking. These guys stopped me they'd get all of about 5 seconds of my time. Now look at Justin Wayne, found a few vids on his site, he's pretty well dressed in them all.
Now I'm not asking if clothing will be the magic key to proper day game, but in regards to putting out this vibe of "you need to talk to me", especially with direct day game, how much to you think it weighs in? Compared to normal night/venue game?
Im starting to focus more on day gaming because night game in my area isn't going so well.
(09-26-2011 06:35 PM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: Sorry, not buying it and i don't agree with Gmac or you. How is it low value and creepy? What makes indirect less creepy? How is this guy a perfect example of direct game? Because she reacts that way? Even if he did it indirect, she would've been weirded out regardless. She was weirded out by "him", not direct. You guys are using footage of bad direct approaches on purpose to try to prove that it doesn't work. Explain how they are conditioned to view it low value and creepy? I can get a million videos of indirect guys sucking but does that prove that it doesn't work? No. Girls are conditioned to view a "half assed" your beautiful or cat call line as creepy and low value.
Your telling me if you went up to a woman said a direct line with power, dominant and confidence...that you'd creep them out? HAHAHA! Sorry but I don't believe that.
I understand if you guys prefer indirect which is understandable BUT to say that direct creeps a girl is just silly.
Nice, link us to a video with no audio. If you've got (non-fake) videos of successful direct game approaches on American women in America, let's see them.
09-26-2011 06:47 PM
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3 fuck-closes in 24hrs off of cold street approaches?!?! Are you fucking kidding me?!?
Average at best looking black guy pulling everything but BLACK chicks.
Mad props to this cat
I watched the video, and his proof was lacking. It's just pictures of them in their panties, which isn't much proof of shit.
Quote:When I took her home, I did the usual camera routine where we just have fun on my camera. After that she just went all over me and started kissing me with passion. I then closed the deal.
He's taking pics of her and getting her to take off her clothes. Seems like a good way to seal the deal but who knows? Why doesn't he just post nude shots/videos of him actually fucking the girl if he's got proof?
(09-25-2011 10:09 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote: What Yad did in his video is one way, i like doing it the way i mentioned.
I get it, I do. I'm not saying it's impossible, but 99 times out of 100 you're going to scare a girl with this tactic. The girl in the video with Yad was Russian. A foreign girl from an eastern country where women are often subjugated... in a new city all by herself. I'm not surprised she stopped. Do you think this would work in America?
"Hey sorry can I tell you something really quickly? Ok cool. I just saw you and I love, what... your style?"
What?! No chance. The language barrier may have helped him out a bit here I think.
I'd like to see the success rates of these guys. Did Yad end up banging the girl?
Quote:If done right they'll laugh or say "hi!" if they shy, its ok...they just need to relax. Plus also making fun of the situation gets them to relax more.
How do you do it right then? Because the way you're explaining things doesn't really prove anything. I think it takes a certain high energy personality to pull off direct game, but the majority of the time it just comes off as strange. Good looking men can often get a pass or two, your average guy is going to fail far more often even with decent skill than with indirect. I still think it makes you look like a clown. To each his own I guess.
This type of direct works best in America. it appears you haven't really tried much direct. The guy in the video in the initial post was ballsy and keeping it real by posting his blow outs, his game was lacking. He never stopped the girls to get their attention, He supplicated to them, he got creepy and needy begging for a compliment back WTF!!!! It wasn't good game at all regardless if it was direct or indirect.
Direct is just a way to open to show intent thats all. After that its game as usual. You can even start indirect in the day then make a statement of intent. Either way intent needs to be conveyed fast in the day!
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. Direct is definitely more intermediate/advanced, mainly because you really have to have a thick skin and a level of self assurance to pull it off. When i first started with it, i got rejected quite a bit but partly is that i didn't use any emotion and enthusiasm and forced a smile. But then as did more of that, i got rejected less and less.
