Post: #26

(05-30-2018 12:10 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  I experience the exact same thing about once a month. I was in a mosque in Istanbul and heard echoes and it put me into a trip with all the voices sounding like audial hallucinations, I get surreal moments which aren't too worrysome and last maybe 5 minutes. I can't listen to one particular song because it gives me a flashback and I had a bad trip which lasted ages.

Lsd - never, ever again. I only extract the positives but the downsides are not worth it, I had insomnia for a month after. I only touched weed once since and that was 5 months ago. It was so powerful and I wasn't ready plus I am really young, doing it so young was a blessing in a way because I know I will never repeat it. I would rather have my physical body harmed than my mind, experiencing insomnia was the darkest moment of my life, from that moment I determined to keep my mind clear of any substances other than alcohol, caffeine and very occasional weed, experimenting can lead to a pathway of destruction.

I'm right there with you... It's not an unpleasant or "scary" feeling, but it is something that you can't force your way through. So, like with alcohol, if I really focus, I can make myself more sober and see things clearly. That's not the case here. It's more like someone has shown up at your doorstep and you're not talking your way out of this shit... Pack your bags. We're leaving.

Post: #27

Yes that is a very good way to put it, you took it in college and still get flashbacks after numerous years, was this because you took a lot often or it just made that big of an impact on you that you get them today?

Post: #28

(05-30-2018 12:57 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  Yes that is a very good way to put it, you took it in college and still get flashbacks after numerous years, was this because you took a lot often or it just made that big of an impact on you that you get them today?

Nope. I took it very rarely (less than 10 times), but I'm somewhat of a biologist, so I perceive when things are malfunctioning in my head.

Haven't had one since. That was the only time it happened. I would've never believed it, if you told me it was gonna happen. Seemed harmless.

And that was YEARS past. The last time I took acid was 2004. This shit happened 3 months ago. As soon as it happened, I knew it--I was like, someone just dosed me.... Wtf? If you've done acid, you know the feeling, and you know once it's here, you're along for a ride.

Post: #29

Damn. It really is powerful stuff.

Post: #30

Anyone experimented with pure DMT or ayahuasca? I have done light doses of DMT, never gone through to the "blast off to space and talk to alien light beings" stage, but know a few who have. Some crazy stories. I came dangerously close to shitting myself last time I messed with it so it kind of put me off it, been a few years now.

What I saw each time I can describe best as "infinitely complex organic machinery" consisting of fractal futuristic (at times metallic/shiny) yet organic pipes/conduits/circuits/roads/structures/tubules/neurons (you get the picture) with what I perceived as globular photons of pure light moving through them at high speed. It was impossible to grasp the complexity and exactly what was going on, and after a few minutes it was all gone. But the images stuck with me, I can see them in my mind but they are very hard to describe. Weird shit.

A friend of mine has stories of blasting off into space and being shown essentially a futuristic science presentation aboard an alien vessel by a group of apparently benevolent beings composed of light communicating mentally, expressing familiarity with him (like a "ahhh we've been expecting you" vibe), and explaining that the human race is simply one of millions of races in the universe they are watching in hopes we achieve their level of technology/enlightenment and join them. One fundamental flaw, they explained, was that our understanding of matter particularly Newton's Third Law was incorrect. They demonstrated by "throwing" galaxies in view into a black hole where they simply disappeared. Then he was told that's all for now, good luck, and kicked off the space mental Bang Bus.

I don't know WTF to make of this story, and I know my friend wouldn't just make this crap up. Bizarrely intriguing nonethless. Many people messing with these substances tend to report educational encounters with beings of benevolent (and at times malevolent) apparent motives.

Post: #31

Never tried DMT craziest trips I've had were (ketamine) k-holes (full out of body experience, astral projection) and multi day PCP use (you "lose the plot")
Both these can be addictive (I couldn't handle) so don't do, period.

I did LSD every day one summer (at least 10 hits) because I had a shitload but after a few days I was doing it for the hell of it, tolerance goes through the roof on 5ht2a agonists and didn't feel much (anything really, it was just pieces of paper to me.)

I can't say I got much out of it other than influence on writing, music etc but don't regret it much, can't fuck with that shit now though.

Post: #32

(06-06-2018 12:36 AM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  A friend of mine has stories of blasting off into space and being shown essentially a futuristic science presentation aboard an alien vessel by a group of apparently benevolent beings composed of light communicating mentally, expressing familiarity with him (like a "ahhh we've been expecting you" vibe), and explaining that the human race is simply one of millions of races in the universe they are watching in hopes we achieve their level of technology/enlightenment and join them. One fundamental flaw, they explained, was that our understanding of matter particularly Newton's Third Law was incorrect. They demonstrated by "throwing" galaxies in view into a black hole where they simply disappeared. Then he was told that's all for now, good luck, and kicked off the space mental Bang Bus.

I don't know WTF to make of this story, and I know my friend wouldn't just make this crap up. Bizarrely intriguing nonethless. Many people messing with these substances tend to report educational encounters with beings of benevolent (and at times malevolent) apparent motives.

If that shit intrigues you I can very much recommend this book. I was planning to do ayahuasca but I didn't after reading it

https://www.amazon.com/Antipodes-Mind-Ph...0199252939

Post: #33

(06-06-2018 12:36 AM)Fender_Bender Wrote:  I don't know WTF to make of this story, and I know my friend wouldn't just make this crap up.

Almost everyone who takes DMT reports having pretty much the same trip experience, which is what's so interesting. Maybe they've all listened to Terrence McKenna and it's influenced them, or as Joe Rogan believes, it's part of the genetic property of the compound itself, that's it's a sort of portal to the realm of Heaven hidden on Earth. McKenna called the beings "machine elves."

This is obviously very different than LSD and shrooms, both of which always produce very different results based on set and setting.

Post: #34

This shit sounds terrifying.

Post: #35

(05-29-2018 05:08 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  Terrible advice. These drugs only help while they are in effect, Adderall has a crash and benzos have rebound anxiety. Brief Band-Aids that make the problem worse long term.

If you are doing Adderall might as well do coke, only a bit worse for you and more fun.

I can write tens of thousands of lines of code on an Addy binge. If the work at hand doesn't involve creativity, eg. the planning and infrastructure for whatever that needs to be done is already laid out, there is nothing like good old Adderall to crank that shit out in no time. I can't say the same about coke, as it gets me too euphoric and excited to get any real work done. Not to mention the hassle of cutting a line every half an hour.

Microdosing crystal meth actually worked even better for me than Adderall. I used to measure out 10 milligrams (a few small shards) on a jewellery scale and put it in my morning coffee before crunching out insane amounts of work. It's actually FDA approved for treatment of ADHD in these dosages. Also, it's almost certain that I'm buying very high purity d-methamphetamine when I buy street speed (due to how the synthesis process works) as opposed to blow or amphetamine paste, which is often cut to shit with all kinds of vile crap. Though I don't recommend this at all for beginners because (a) you burn out VERY quickly, and (b) it's a thin line between being productive and finding yourself jerking off under a bridge for 10 hours. Seriously I might be the only person I know that had a functional speed addiction and didn't end up a tweaker.

Also it's important to mention that coke is WAY more toxic to the heart tissue, and if you drink alcohol with it, your liver. It's also pretty easy to OD from coke versus amphetamines.

(05-29-2018 05:08 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  If you are doing benzos may as well pop a Roxi or a Vicodin. Benzo withdrawal can kill you through seizures. I've never been hooked on benzos, but any regular use will turn you from anxious to a nervous wreck (speaking from experience.)

Phenibut is also a gaba agonist, similar withdrawal to benzos.

This may sound weird but Oxy or Vicodin doesn't really get me relaxed. If I take enough I feel sleepy but still not relaxed.

Also if the oxy isn't covered by insurance, I'd rather bump H than take oxy, cheaper and more effective. Though you can never be sure with the fentanyl shit floating around these days so I just steer clear of opiates altogether.

At the end of the day, nothing puts me down like good old xannies. It's actually prescribed for anxiety disorder. Oxy, Vicodin are just painkillers.

Also I cycle all my GABAergics to make sure I don't end up hooked.

But anyway yea disclaimer I'm just talking about my personal experience and I am not in any way encouraging anyone to do this shit. If you have trouble focusing, go see a dr. and get an Adderall script and don't fucking put shards of ice in your coffee.

Post: #36

I still stand by you making a horrible recommendation (go get an Adderall or Xanax script.)

I have horrible ADHD and just don't work in office environments (I've tried but I end up doing push-ups in the middle of the hall and shit so I don't go ballistic from boredom.) Just get a job that you are moving around doing something.

And other than panic disorder I see few conditions that warrant benzo use, it makes anxiety way worse over time.

And now you admit frequent meth use?

I would not personally recommend any recreational drugs, except kratom to opiate addicts as an easier way to taper off them.

Post: #37

(06-07-2018 12:19 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  And now you admit frequent meth use?

I didn't have access to medication where I had lived. So I had to self-medicate. Now 6 months clean.

(06-07-2018 12:19 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  I still stand by you making a horrible recommendation (go get an Adderall or Xanax script.)

I would not personally recommend any recreational drugs, except kratom to opiate addicts as an easier way to taper off them.

Me neither -- but if you have trouble staying stimulated maybe you need stimulant medication?

I recommend people go see a doctor

Post: #38

After researching certain drugs and their effects/results then I would take only certain ones:

+ Alcohol
+ good pure cocaine
+ pure MDMA

Don't care about the rest and I am not even curious to try - not even weed. The high created is not worth it to get hooked on it.

Post: #39

No DMT for you, just party drugs?

Post: #40

(06-07-2018 02:52 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  No DMT for you, just party drugs?

If I want extraordinary experiences, then I can do it vie contemplation/out-of-body travel. That elevates you in addition to giving you more experiences.

I would compare hallucinogenic drugs to synthol users vs bodybuilders:

Disgusting:

https://cdn2-thevladarcompany.netdna-ssl...ult-11.jpg


That is the equivalent of a mystical experience seeker vs a truth seeker.

Don't want to post that deflated bicep because it's just gore.

The healthy way:



It takes more discipline and takes longer - and yes some juicing is fine, but that is not comparable to messing with your mind.

And I know that some spiritual orders like the Sufis used initially drugs to get newcomers some out-of-body experiences, but what many don't know is that after the first experiences they advised to not use it again, but to build up the experiences themselves via discipline. Besides - you cannot rely on drugs for spiritual advancement - that has never worked.

And no - it's not comparable to bodybuilders who take some T or more.

Post: #41

Zel I used to like hallucinogens but I agree on a spiritual/mystical level almost entirely useless.

Just look at the 60s they all found Shiva or Buddha or whatever and carried on exactly as before or worse.