Post: #76

That would explain a lot of the seemingly default scarcity mentality and general bitchemade-ness you see in the west (apologies for the stupid watermarking on the image I have no idea what the site is or what they represent)


When 40% of the gender that's sexual value is almost exclusively based on health and physical attractiveness isn't even in the running it seems like a very competitive and pressured marketplace. Luckily open hypergamy probably balances out how many people get to fuck compared to the past, but still. Grim outlook for those of us that might looking for a decent looking low notch count woman to make a wife and children with.

Post: #77

Again - as others pointed out. The Chinese men who cannot get women despite wanting some are usually extremely dirt-poor. They are not going to go to the Ukraine to find a girl. The idea that any European woman is going to follow that man to live like that is absolutely nuts - not even the poorest Russian women will do that:



The men who can do much wife-hunting in the West will be at least Middle Class by world standards.

As for the Ukraine restricting visas, real estate purchases etc. That depends on the government - currently the government is fully globalist controlled against the local population. So this Ukraine would do a Merkel if it could - 20 mio. non-EU immigrants to the Ukraine? No problem - Soros-cucks will do everything for a buck.

Post: #78

People want to emigrate to Ukraine?

Post: #79

The thing is that Chinese men who can't find wives are also the sort of Chinese dudes who would not be able to afford a flight to Ukraine AND, in the event that they actually could, they'd lack the requisite game to give anyone any trouble. Trust me on that.

If a chinese dude is not autistic, has money and is reasonably good looking, he will not feel that demographic deficit at all.

Post: #80

Could the effect be a rise in homosexuality?

Post: #81

(04-24-2018 06:59 AM)Fortis Wrote:  The thing is that Chinese men who can't find wives are also the sort of Chinese dudes who would not be able to afford a flight to Ukraine AND, in the event that they actually could, they'd lack the requisite game to give anyone any trouble. Trust me on that.

If a chinese dude is not autistic, has money and is reasonably good looking, he will not feel that demographic deficit at all.

What the article was addressing weren't the dirt poor of the Chinese, but rather the middle class ones who just got fed up of the attitude of the women and decided to go to greener pastures. It only cited anecdotal evidence from guys going to SEA to get wives, and didn't describe the guys going to EE. Either way, if per capita incomes keep increasing, then in a decade or so getting a foreign wife could become feasible for even guys closer to the lower end of the income spectrum. At the very least the market for companies organizing marriage tours will increase.

Post: #82

I still wouldn't worry, since local Chinese game, fashion and overall attractiveness is pretty low-tier into the foreseeable future. That might change if China undergoes some serious social renaissance, but I'm skeptical. The culture is not conducive to western-style game and game awareness. This might filch off some chicks looking to gold dig, but I don't think it'll be much of a hindrance to good-looking western-born players with their shit together who can run game.

If someone told me my favorite game location were being flooded with Chinese run-off dudes, I might actually be happy since that would spike my value relative to theirs. I do feel for the Asian playas on the forum since that sorta thing could fuck up their game plan, but it won't be too hard to differentiate yourself from the "i can't find a wife back in China" crowd.

Post: #83

(04-24-2018 08:38 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I still wouldn't worry, since local Chinese game, fashion and overall attractiveness is pretty low-tier into the foreseeable future. That might change if China undergoes some serious social renaissance, but I'm skeptical. The culture is not conducive to western-style game and game awareness. This might filch off some chicks looking to gold dig, but I don't think it'll be much of a hindrance to good-looking western-born players with their shit together who can run game.

If someone told me my favorite game location were being flooded with Chinese run-off dudes, I might actually be happy since that would spike my value relative to theirs. I do feel for the Asian playas on the forum since that sorta thing could fuck up their game plan, but it won't be too hard to differentiate yourself from the "i can't find a wife back in China" crowd.

I guess that depends on whether you view the female dating market as segmented or combined.

Are there a large % of women in EE who want a Western or EE guy who they are genuinely attracted to and would never think of dating a Chinese guy?

Or, what if most poor EE women would at least consider it if the guy if he was at least middle class (making 20-30K USD per year in tier 2 city) and the company has taught him basic social skills and made them presentable, and he could offer them a better life than in Ukraine and would treat them well and not drink?

If the latter, then an influx of Chinese guys could definitely skew the market.

After all, these love tours are occurring:

Quote:An entrepreneur has set up a dating club to help 'exceptional' bachelors from the Far East find Ukrainian girlfriends through monthly speed-dating events.

China-born Kharkiv-based Mei Aisi, 35, became an internet sensation in his motherland after sharing pictures of his Ukrainian wife, Daria Mei, on social media platforms.

'Compared to Ukrainian men, Chinese men are better husbands,' said Mei Aisi, who referred to Ukraine as 'a land of beauties'.

'Ukrainian men often have male chauvinism. They drink a lot and some might beat their wives. This happened to my wife's sister.

'In comparison, Chinese men know how to care for their families.'

Based in Kharkiv, the second largest city of Ukraine, Ulove is a match-making agency that connects talented Ukrainian women with exceptional Chinese men, according to Mr Mei.

Female candidates as young as 17 wear glamorous makeup and evening dresses at the monthly speed-dating event to attract successful single men who travel from China to Ukraine especially in hope of finding a pretty European wife.

High expectation also comes with high price tags.

Deep-pocketed bachelors first pay a 96,000 yuan (£11,000) annual membership fee - or 300,000 yuan (£34,600) as VIPs - before spending an extra 69,000 yuan (£8,000) on each dating event held at a luxurious golf club in Kharkiv.

Mr Mei, the father of a three-year-old girl, confessed that a few male members, though wealthy, don't have much taste and don't know how to woo women.

When asked why they like Chinese men, the female members, mainly university students, were not shy.

'We really like Chinese men. They are really generous and considerate,' said two female members, twins Alia and Nika, during an interview with Arrow Factory.

'They are adorable. Totally different from Ukrainian guys,' they added.

On Ulove's account on Weibo, China's most popular social media app, female members hold signboards with Chinese characters to advertise themselves to eligible bachelors.

Some of the romantic messages read 'would you like to have a cute Eurasian baby' and 'I'm learning Chinese hard so that I can treat your ears with sweet words'.

Mr Mei said Ulove Club currently has around 75 male members, who are mainly middle-class businessmen from major Chinese cities, and more than 300 female members, who are all Ukrainian.

Because women in Ukraine tend to marry early - usually before 23 years old - the club's female members are young, said Mr Mei.

Since its establishment in December, 2016, So far, the club has organised 10 speed dating events and successfully connected more than 20 couples.

'Among them, five couples have announced their engagement,' said Mr Mei.

Looking into the future, Mr Mei said he hopes to expand his international match-making business to neighbouring countries, such as Belarus and Russia.

Obviously very small scale for now, but the dating club has only been around for less than a year and a half. Maybe wealthier Chinese guys will look to EE, while poorer Chinese guys will stick with SEA. Either way, 30 million men is not nothing. The dating market is governed by supply and demand, and as the demand for women goes up, the price they want (in terms of game, looks, or money) increases as well.

Post: #84

Love tours have been occurring since the 90s, LoveAnastacia or whatever it's called started marketing to Westerners.

Quit making up excuses, you're starting to sound like an incel brahsef.

Post: #85

< Yeah - the Chinese men who will spend 15.000$ to 45.000$ dollars just for a real-life dating platform where they can meet Ukrainian girls - they will be stark minority. Those men could find a Chinese woman just as well - some just like the whiff of Euro-pussy, some even see it as a status symbol. Either way - that is a tiny part of the entire population. As we have noted - middle class men will marry, very poor guys get shafted. Within the next generation the gender imbalance in China will improve and even if the poorer men make some social progress, then they will manage to marry a local girl.

Nothing to worry about. India has a different problem, but it is mired with the same parameters - the extremely poor and powerless are affected.

Post: #86

(04-24-2018 08:38 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I still wouldn't worry, since local Chinese game, fashion and overall attractiveness is pretty low-tier into the foreseeable future. That might change if China undergoes some serious social renaissance, but I'm skeptical. The culture is not conducive to western-style game and game awareness. This might filch off some chicks looking to gold dig, but I don't think it'll be much of a hindrance to good-looking western-born players with their shit together who can run game.

If someone told me my favorite game location were being flooded with Chinese run-off dudes, I might actually be happy since that would spike my value relative to theirs. I do feel for the Asian playas on the forum since that sorta thing could fuck up their game plan, but it won't be too hard to differentiate yourself from the "i can't find a wife back in China" crowd.

China is arguably having a Golden Age on top of the baby boom right now. All that essentially means is that competition for the women that want them just got higher. There is a dude that loves flossin in his blue Lambo everyday looking at girls on the street near me, with his arm out the window tryin to holla at girls. That never happened before.

If Fortis as Black Americans and I can walk down the street and 10 girls in their 20s that are 5-7 are present, and 3 smile big at us, that is still winning. Multiply that by an entire city block and their isn't enough zinc to help our seminal vesicles to refill fast enough from all the nut bustin.

China is the ultimate numbers game. Always has been, even since the 2000s. Some of the reason I stopped gaming and settled on one was because I felt like even if I wanted to, there is no time, energy, or enough resources to bang all the available girls in even one city. Why fucking bother. It got boring too. If you have big goals for your life and pussy is not one of them, you would find the same conclusion as well. China is not the Philippines. Nobody is sitting up all day fucking hoes and not getting any work done or business. The spirit of China itself is that of a pure hustler. 100% grind, 10% sleep. To local guys, a wife will happen when it happens. If you want to survive living in China you have to embody this spirit yourself, otherwise you will go insane.

Even if you have particular fetishes, you can easily find 5 of the same type of gal in the same month if you work online and daygame. Try doing that in America. A "perfect gal" might be the last one you will see that whole year. This does wonders on thirst avoidance.

Chinese men are also banging the hell out of Africa. Bunch of construction dudes that got stationed out there for work projects and brought one back. I have already ran into a few Chinese guy African woman combos with kids. Some were North African even. Their kids look kinda similar to mine but some did not.

Don't think all are hyperfocused on Ukraine either. From what most intel out there I have read, it seems like it is, Vietnamese, North Korean, Thai/Indo, African, then Russian/Ukraine.

They are just merely doing what everyone else is doing more or less. Gettin' in, where they fucking fit in.

Oh yeah, wasn't it like 5 or 10 years ago, everyone could see that the Chinese were slowly taking over? Soft power, buying properties, holding assets, marrying outside the country, marrying powerful people. Why is anyone surprised? Remember that goofy "Turning Japanese" song from the 80s? Shit, looks like it should have been Turning Chinese.

Post: #87

(04-25-2018 10:10 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Love tours have been occurring since the 90s, LoveAnastacia or whatever it's called started marketing to Westerners.

Quit making up excuses, you're starting to sound like an incel brahsef.

I don't live anywhere near there so don't know what you're talking about. Just think it's an interesting phenomena, we will see where there is any tangible impact on the dating market of nearby countries.

If the poor Chinese guys in the screwed over demographic age out of dating market before income rise enough for them to attract foreign brides then I guess there won't be an effect.

No one is denying though that women in Ukraine have changed as a result of the Western and Turkish influx. Hopefully China is too poor and far away to have a similar impact.

Post: #88

(04-22-2018 12:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  In reality - if travel and VISA was easy than 2-3 bio. Indians, Asians and Africans would move to the West absolutely flooding it Camp of Saints style. Of course the economic systems would then collapse and some countries would become actual dumps or war-torn hellholes.

Welcome to Sydney.

Post: #89

In the West you have insane feminazis screaming #metoo and now demanding castration of every toxic male who may or may not be an incel, while in China you have:

Quote:Cheerleaders for the office? Chinese tech companies hiring 'pretty' women to motivate male employees by chatting, playing ping pong and buying them breakfast
Chinese companies appear to be hiring women to motivate male workers
Photos show women chatting with programmers and playing ping-pong
They have been dubbed 'programming cheerleaders' by the companies
Their role is to create a 'fun work environment' for the men
HR managers say they help the males who are 'terrible at socialising'
They also say the girls have greatly improved their job efficiency and drive

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...z5ESpEnCTF
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Throw in a hooker-chearleader who takes care of the incels once every 6 months and you have no more incel problem anymore.

Post: #90

China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

Post: #91

(05-05-2018 07:33 PM)Suits Wrote:  China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

Haha you beat me to it! I was thinking the same thing.

Such a common thing with Asian girls, you see them from the back and think "damn, that looks alright" and then they turn around...

Post: #92

(05-06-2018 04:06 AM)Roardog Wrote:  

(05-05-2018 07:33 PM)Suits Wrote:  China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

Haha you beat me to it! I was thinking the same thing.

Such a common thing with Asian girls, you see them from the back and think "damn, that looks alright" and then they turn around...

How could that possibly be true when so many of them have no ass?

Post: #93

Most of the discussion is on the chinese side of the issue.
How about the millions of surplus Indian Men?

Anyone who knows the culture there have any insight?
It seems to me that they are more likely to immigrate than the single, rural, poor, chinese dudes.

Post: #94

(04-25-2018 08:31 AM)Arado Wrote:  

(04-24-2018 08:38 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I still wouldn't worry, since local Chinese game, fashion and overall attractiveness is pretty low-tier into the foreseeable future. That might change if China undergoes some serious social renaissance, but I'm skeptical. The culture is not conducive to western-style game and game awareness. This might filch off some chicks looking to gold dig, but I don't think it'll be much of a hindrance to good-looking western-born players with their shit together who can run game.

If someone told me my favorite game location were being flooded with Chinese run-off dudes, I might actually be happy since that would spike my value relative to theirs. I do feel for the Asian playas on the forum since that sorta thing could fuck up their game plan, but it won't be too hard to differentiate yourself from the "i can't find a wife back in China" crowd.

I guess that depends on whether you view the female dating market as segmented or combined.

Are there a large % of women in EE who want a Western or EE guy who they are genuinely attracted to and would never think of dating a Chinese guy?

Or, what if most poor EE women would at least consider it if the guy if he was at least middle class (making 20-30K USD per year in tier 2 city) and the company has taught him basic social skills and made them presentable, and he could offer them a better life than in Ukraine and would treat them well and not drink?

If the latter, then an influx of Chinese guys could definitely skew the market.

After all, these love tours are occurring:

Quote:An entrepreneur has set up a dating club to help 'exceptional' bachelors from the Far East find Ukrainian girlfriends through monthly speed-dating events.

China-born Kharkiv-based Mei Aisi, 35, became an internet sensation in his motherland after sharing pictures of his Ukrainian wife, Daria Mei, on social media platforms.

'Compared to Ukrainian men, Chinese men are better husbands,' said Mei Aisi, who referred to Ukraine as 'a land of beauties'.

'Ukrainian men often have male chauvinism. They drink a lot and some might beat their wives. This happened to my wife's sister.

'In comparison, Chinese men know how to care for their families.'

Based in Kharkiv, the second largest city of Ukraine, Ulove is a match-making agency that connects talented Ukrainian women with exceptional Chinese men, according to Mr Mei.

Female candidates as young as 17 wear glamorous makeup and evening dresses at the monthly speed-dating event to attract successful single men who travel from China to Ukraine especially in hope of finding a pretty European wife.

High expectation also comes with high price tags.

Deep-pocketed bachelors first pay a 96,000 yuan (£11,000) annual membership fee - or 300,000 yuan (£34,600) as VIPs - before spending an extra 69,000 yuan (£8,000) on each dating event held at a luxurious golf club in Kharkiv.

Mr Mei, the father of a three-year-old girl, confessed that a few male members, though wealthy, don't have much taste and don't know how to woo women.

When asked why they like Chinese men, the female members, mainly university students, were not shy.

'We really like Chinese men. They are really generous and considerate,' said two female members, twins Alia and Nika, during an interview with Arrow Factory.

'They are adorable. Totally different from Ukrainian guys,' they added.

On Ulove's account on Weibo, China's most popular social media app, female members hold signboards with Chinese characters to advertise themselves to eligible bachelors.

Some of the romantic messages read 'would you like to have a cute Eurasian baby' and 'I'm learning Chinese hard so that I can treat your ears with sweet words'.

Mr Mei said Ulove Club currently has around 75 male members, who are mainly middle-class businessmen from major Chinese cities, and more than 300 female members, who are all Ukrainian.

Because women in Ukraine tend to marry early - usually before 23 years old - the club's female members are young, said Mr Mei.

Since its establishment in December, 2016, So far, the club has organised 10 speed dating events and successfully connected more than 20 couples.

'Among them, five couples have announced their engagement,' said Mr Mei.

Looking into the future, Mr Mei said he hopes to expand his international match-making business to neighbouring countries, such as Belarus and Russia.

Obviously very small scale for now, but the dating club has only been around for less than a year and a half. Maybe wealthier Chinese guys will look to EE, while poorer Chinese guys will stick with SEA. Either way, 30 million men is not nothing. The dating market is governed by supply and demand, and as the demand for women goes up, the price they want (in terms of game, looks, or money) increases as well.

A Chinese guy accusing Ukrainian men of being bad husbands for alcoholism and beating up their wives is calling the kettle black, and maybe he's projecting because I don't know Ukrainian men or their culture. What I can tell you is alcoholism, and to a lesser extent, spousal abuse going both ways are rampant in China and parts of SEA. His illusions of Chinese marriage can be dissolved by living in China for 3-6 months.

Post: #95

(05-05-2018 07:33 PM)Suits Wrote:  China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

That's a Suit's 4?

Is that a 6?


I guess on that scale any girl above a 7 can only be filled by anime waifus:


Also when that one is a 4, then what is an obese 50yo? A 2?


If you think that the girl above is a 4 - the scale here being rather accurate, then you are one of those pointy-elbows guys.

Post: #96

(05-05-2018 07:33 PM)Suits Wrote:  China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

I'm sure this is ironic, but it gives me a reason to post this again.

Post: #97

(05-06-2018 09:11 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  Most of the discussion is on the chinese side of the issue.
How about the millions of surplus Indian Men?

Anyone who knows the culture there have any insight?
It seems to me that they are more likely to immigrate than the single, rural, poor, chinese dudes.

Tough to say unless there's a breakdown of what socioeconomic status the excessive men are. But my guess is that they're mostly bottom of the barrel men.

Infanticide - where female fetuses are aborted - usually occurs in really backward places. I can't imagine that crew having the money to get onto a plane. They're single, rural, poor, Indian dudes.

Then you got the lower middle class/regular middle class men. Quite a lot of them move to other countries for educational purposes, especially in fields such as engineering, and especially for graduate degrees. You see a lot of them in the US for example - however they also tend to go back to India to find wives once their beta status is sufficiently elevated.

I've heard there are Indian students in EE/Russia. I don't know if that number will increase significantly in the future. On one hand, yes there will be more middle class Indians who could afford to study abroad. On the other hand, the Indian economy - after becoming more capitalistic - has been booming for the past 2 decades. You can see the effect of this on IIT graduates. IITs (Indian Institutes of Technology) are the premier universities in the country - many alumni moved to the US in the 1970s-1990s and made it big. In fact, probably half my Indian-American friends have IIT alumni as parents.

But today? I'm seeing quite a lot of them deciding to stay in India as the salary packages are extremely competitive. Since the government decided to open up the economy in the 1990s, a lot of Western companies have set up shop in India. I'd venture to guess that this trend will trickle down to the middle class and in the next few decades, the cost-benefit analysis for going abroad won't be so clear cut as it used to be. A few of my Indian-American friends have actually even moved back, saying life is better in India (at that pay range you can easily afford a maid, a cook, and a driver).

Also, not counting upper middle class/upper class - people are still getting married young. I was in the South of India a year ago and the working class women around age 25 were mostly married. As for upper middle class and above, they still marry, just later, and quite often still in arranged marriages.

If I had to take a guess, I'd actually expect the 30-40 million excess Indian men to move to the cities for work opportunities. Most of them can't speak English. At worst they can only speak their local language, at best they can also speak Hindi - which means menial jobs in the cities. I'd also expect that type to have no game, no class, and unfortunately to rape women. In fact, quite a few of the high-profile rape cases in India have been committed by lower class men.

Post: #98

(05-06-2018 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-05-2018 07:33 PM)Suits Wrote:  China. The country where cheerleaders are 4's with no boobs.

That's a Suit's 4?

Is that a 6?


I guess on that scale any girl above a 7 can only be filled by anime waifus:


Also when that one is a 4, then what is an obese 50yo? A 2?

If you think that the girl above is a 4 - the scale here being rather accurate, then you are one of those pointy-elbows guys.

I was exaggerating when I wrote that is a 4, but let's just say that the camera angle for that photo is very forgiving.

With 7 years experience in various Asian countries, I know exactly what I'm looking at and there is no way she would rise beyond a ranking of 5.

Believing otherwise is a clear case of Asian inflation from an untrained eye.

That said, WB.

Post: #99

I read a good article on this over the weekend actually. I had some sympathy for these guys. Their parents generation, in an effort to solve their own problems, left these men in a terrible position. It reminds me of how pathetic western culture has turned, and we are left with terrible women by and large.

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/201...china.html

Post: #100

In my industry, I know many engineering teams with incel guys, of all backgrounds. If you see the kind of Western kaijus that they've drooled over, then those pancake-TnA Chinese 4s are like supermodels to them.