Post: #101

Side note.

Many a pagan has promoted the notion of 'gaia' / 'mother earth'.

Question though.
Is there a 'mother mars'?
Is there a 'mother mercury'?
Is there a 'mother jupiter'? If so, why? Jupiter is merely a large ball of gas.

Post: #102

(04-26-2018 06:55 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Side note.

Many a pagan has promoted the notion of 'gaia' / 'mother earth'.

Question though.
Is there a 'mother mars'?
Is there a 'mother mercury'?
Is there a 'mother jupiter'? If so, why? Jupiter is merely a large ball of gas.

Globalist Gorbachev mentioned that he thinks that GAIA Earth worship and the global warming religion should replace all other religions. That is a globalist direction with a specific anti-human bent and not in the least comparable to the old pagan traditions. They take some new age stuff mix it with anti-humanism, nature worship and then control the narrative fully. And guess who the priests of the new GAIA religion will be?

Post: #103

(04-26-2018 06:55 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Is there a 'mother mars'?

Juno (Mars his mother):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_(mythology)

(04-26-2018 06:55 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Is there a 'mother mercury'?

Maia (His mother):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia

Quote:Is there a 'mother jupiter'? If so, why? Jupiter is merely a large ball of gas.

Cybele (Mother)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele

(04-26-2018 07:04 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  And guess who the priests of the new GAIA religion will be?

Thelemites devoting their lives to Babalon?
Gnostics praising Sophia?

IDNK

Post: #104

^
Not sure I'd equate the Grecian / Roman pantheon to the ball of rock we know as mercury or the ball of gas we know as jupiter, having any sort of divine energy / life-force...

Post: #105

(04-26-2018 07:41 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  ^
Not sure I'd equate the Grecian / Roman pantheon to the ball of rock we know as mercury or the ball of gas we know as jupiter, having any sort of divine energy / life-force...

Well the planets got their names from the mythology, so did most of the constellations... (Or was it the other way'round, chicken or the egg situation)

But now I understand what you were asking... No AFAIK there are no Mercurial Gaia's nor Jupiterian Gaia's

But Terra (aka Gaia) was also included in the Roman pantheon. AFAIK most "pagans" who "worship" gaia are wiccans... They aren't pagan in my book but that's a personal opinion.

Post: #106

(04-26-2018 07:55 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  Well the planets got their names from the mythology, so did most of the constellations... (Or was it the other way'round, chicken or the egg situation)
But now I understand what you were asking... No AFAIK there are no Mercurial Gaia's nor Jupiterian Gaia's
But Terra (aka Gaia) was also included in the Roman pantheon. AFAIK most "pagans" who "worship" gaia are wiccans... They aren't pagan in my book but that's a personal opinion.

It's a perspective thing.
With their knowledge base way back when; no real surprise that the average pagan would have equated an earth teaming with life as having a greater life force.

Yet transport those very same pagan's with space suits onto Mars & I doubt they'd form the same opinion.

Post: #107

Some scientists believe Jupiter protects Earth buy using his grawity to shield us from Ice Comets from Oort Cloud and has prevented numerous global life extinctions.

This is kind of similar with Thor in Norse mythology protecting Mitgard from Ice Giants.

Other scientists think trough that Jupiter is a bully who acts in the opposite way and hurls comets at us. Some speculate this has bought foreign material on earth to create life.

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-jupiter-friend-enemy.html

I think that whatever it is science will understand with time how planets impact us and that this impact is bigger then people living shielded from nature realize.

We know our pagan ancients were great astronomers and spent huge efforts to monitor sky. Perhaps they were more in tune with these forces then we assume is possible.

Post: #108

(04-26-2018 07:58 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 07:55 AM)Meliorare93 Wrote:  Well the planets got their names from the mythology, so did most of the constellations... (Or was it the other way'round, chicken or the egg situation)
But now I understand what you were asking... No AFAIK there are no Mercurial Gaia's nor Jupiterian Gaia's
But Terra (aka Gaia) was also included in the Roman pantheon. AFAIK most "pagans" who "worship" gaia are wiccans... They aren't pagan in my book but that's a personal opinion.

It's a perspective thing.
With their knowledge base way back when; no real surprise that the average pagan would have equated an earth teaming with life as having a greater life force.

Yet transport those very same pagan's with space suits onto Mars & I doubt they'd form the same opinion.

Earth is our Mother. Our only Mother. It is unique and space travel changes nothing.

Sci Fi makes it look so easy to live in other planets, put on space suit and you are good to go, right? Wrong!

Truth is we would not be able to survive on other planets - without turning into - aliens. That's evolution people. And we will probably die before we mutate to adapt.

There is a lithany of problems with living off Earth for prolonged time:

- Space radiation. You think you will have illuminators like on airplane and see Moon / Mars panorama? That tiny screen will give you cancer in a few months. For continuous safe living you will need a few meters of lead constantly insulating you from open space. You will enjoy no alien landscapes.
- The psychological effects of never stepping outside and never seeing sky is similar to prisoners being punished in secluded confinement. Most go crazy within half a year.
- Don't experiance normal gravity - lose bone and muscle mass. After a few years spent on Moon or Mars you will never be able to warlk on Earth again.
- Breathe artificial sterile air only - lose all immunity to pollen and bacteria - become unable to return to Earth and breathe Earth's air.
- Our reproductioin system would go all bonkers in other type of gravity. Children will grow misshapen and sicly, they will not be suited for life on Earth, their immune system will not be ready to breathe Earth's air if they spend their first years in a sterile space station.
- Our eyes are not suited to see without atmosphere. On Moon any tiny shadow is totally dark. You look at a Moon hole and can't tell if it is 1 meter or 1 km deep without instruments. You drop an instrument in a shadow of a rock and you may never find it again. You put it down for a minute as if in sunlight and after that minute the Sun has moved and the shadows have moved and you can't find it anymore.
- Our walking system is not suited for lower gravity. Astronauts had to hop in special way. Children born in this setting would not know how to walk even without the bigger problem of lost bone and muscle mass.
- Lost bone and muscle mas also means all sorts of hormonal and endocrinical and other problems. You worry about your testosterone levels here on Earth? On Moon or Mars it's totally bonkers, forget about that beach body. Forget about beach.
- What would be effects on brain is totally unknown.
- Cycadian rhytms? Healthy sleep schedule? Forget it.

It's a transhumanist dream of traveling to other planets.

If we lose Earth we also lose humanity.

Neither you or me or our own children will live in space. We may genitaclly engineer a scentient being and send it on other planets, but that won't be human anymore.

Paganism is a religion for humans. Earth is our home and our Mother indeed and we should do the best to keep it clean for our children. We will never find a place more perfect for us.

Post: #109

Er Mage.
You do realize I wasn't being literal about the pagans on mars thing...?

Post: #110

(04-26-2018 08:31 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Er Mage.
You do realize I wasn't being literal about the pagans on mars thing...?

Maybe you were not, but plenty of people - atheists, Christians and Muslims ( not all of them) think that Earth is just a piece of dirt, interchangable and not Sacred.

No it is very Sacred and is to be treated with utmost respect and care. This is where Paganism comes in.

Post: #111

(04-26-2018 08:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  Earth is our Mother. Our only Mother. It is unique and space travel changes nothing.

And who's the Father?

God.

Post: #112

(04-26-2018 07:38 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 08:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  Earth is our Mother. Our only Mother. It is unique and space travel changes nothing.

And who's the Father?

God.

Yes, In Paganism God is our Father.

In Christianity trough our father is Adam. God is merely our Creator. God is the father of Jesus only. Only Jesus is the son of God and for anyone else to claim that would be a blasphemy.

Jews (sometimes) and Christians (often) will still call God the Father for two reasons: 1) Allegorically as a sign of respect; 2)Because Paganism is in their blood and they pray to the real God even trough Christian obscurity. Muslims as the self styled true monotheists would never call God as a father, to prove how monotheistic and non-pagan they are although they fallow plenty of old Pagan practices as well.

There is a fundamental difference between a Father God and a Creator God.

Post: #113

(04-26-2018 11:54 PM)Mage Wrote:  Muslims as the self styled true monotheists would never call God as a father, to prove how monotheistic and non-pagan they are although they fallow plenty of old Pagan practices as well.

There is a fundamental difference between a Father God and a Creator God.

Doing meme magick are we?

Post: #114

(04-27-2018 01:03 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 11:54 PM)Mage Wrote:  Muslims as the self styled true monotheists would never call God as a father, to prove how monotheistic and non-pagan they are although they fallow plenty of old Pagan practices as well.

There is a fundamental difference between a Father God and a Creator God.

Doing meme magick are we?

I don't quite fallow - what are you talking about?

Post: #115

Not sure if serious, but if yes, than it is my honest mistake. I thought that you write intentionally "fallow" even though you were couple of times in other thread probably aware that it is wrong spelling in otherwise your pretty much perfect English. Disregard my post in that case.

Post: #116

Fallow.

Deer.

Nature.

Paganism.

Post: #117

Just a short post of something I find very interesting in the regards of whole Paganism/Christianity debate.

I find it particularly interesting that Christians like to name or describe Pagan or other non Christian elements, entities and events in Christian terminology. A lot of European countries have these Christian names in their traditions and pretty much nobody is aware that they are dealing with just another terminology for something that predates their religion. I will give few interesting examples from Europe and my country Croatia.

Here in Croatia, old people tend to say when there is lightning and thunder that "saint Elijah is driving his carriage across the sky". Really? A Christian saint making thunder instead of God? I think it is pretty obvious that Croatian Christians (or maybe even other Balkan Slavic tribes, not sure) just put his name name instead of Perun, chief of Slavic pantheon and god of thunder and lightning.

Another example is woman in white entity and the tendency of Christians to transform it into Virgin Mary. Not sure if people here are aware of this entity, but similar sightings were popping all over the world in various iterations, but core characteristics remain the same. Virginal looking woman, tends to carry flowers and very benevolent. Faith from Far Cry 5 is deliberately made to look like that, because of whole Christian cult plot, but I digress. Anyway, she speaks of prophecies and gives advice. People can become excited when in her presence.
During medieval times people started to attribute to her name Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) and it seems that this kind of entity didn't ever mind be called like that. Sometimes her description shifted to closely resemble supposed description of Virgin Mary.

Here in Croatia and Balkan in general, we like to put name "Gospa" on similar kinds of sightings. Gospa is our way of calling Virgin Mary, but it differs in such way that wherever Virgin Mary was sighted we put a name of the place to the name Gospa. In such way we basically get slightly different descriptions of same entity across different places, but each time we are using one particular name. Gospa Sinjska, Gospa Vidoška, etc. are such names.
Again, sightings of Virgin Mary in Balkan are always in such way that they basically describe woman in white entity but because people who saw it are Christians, and in particular old or very young, it is always represented to nearest priests as Virgin Mary sighting. Famous example is Međugorje, over which Vatican made serious and dedicated investigation. First sighting in Međugorje is also pretty much similar to Fatima and Lourdes.
In Croatian capital Zagreb, in old town lives a very powerful and benevolent entity. Not sure when it came but it might predate Zagreb itself. It is really no wonder why this place is home to an altar of Virgin Mary. After a fire in 18th century, people put altar there because in whole that place only thing that was undamaged by fire was a painting of Virgin Mary. Interesting story.

Post: #118

Yes, some old customs got modified and absorbed when the Balkan Slavs converted to Christianity.

Post: #119

If you want to get a good reaction from the "Pagan Pride" types, ask them about the preponderance of human sacrifice in "pagan" cultures. The response is on the order of "Hrrdrrhrrdrr".

Post: #120

(04-27-2018 12:25 PM)ColSpanker Wrote:  If you want to get a good reaction from the "Pagan Pride" types, ask them about the preponderance of human sacrifice in "pagan" cultures. The response is on the order of "Hrrdrrhrrdrr".

Come on guy.
If violently dissecting 10,000 hearts in one session does not appease the "sun gods", what in the Sam hell are we supposed to try otherwise...?

Post: #121

I find it ironic that Christians love to point out the prevalence of human sacrifice in pagan culture, when the very basis of Christianity is a human sacrifice.

Post: #122

(04-26-2018 11:54 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 07:38 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 08:25 AM)Mage Wrote:  Earth is our Mother. Our only Mother. It is unique and space travel changes nothing.

And who's the Father?

God.

Yes, In Paganism God is our Father.

In Christianity trough our father is Adam. God is merely our Creator. God is the father of Jesus only. Only Jesus is the son of God and for anyone else to claim that would be a blasphemy.

Quote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 6: 9-13
In the most profound sense the First Person of the Trinity is the Father, he is the Fountainhead of life and creation.

Post: #123

(04-27-2018 05:12 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I find it ironic that Christians love to point out the prevalence of human sacrifice in pagan culture, when the very basis of Christianity is a human sacrifice.

Is that you volunteering to have your heart dissected to appease the "volcano gods" ?

Post: #124

(04-27-2018 05:45 PM)Raylan Givens Wrote:  

Quote:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 6: 9-13
In the most profound sense the First Person of the Trinity is the Father, he is the Fountainhead of life and creation.

And that is the proof that Jesus preached Truth and not Christianity.

Later came Paul and the rest of theologians and declared Jesus as the only son of God.

Post: #125

(04-27-2018 05:55 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 05:12 PM)Pride male Wrote:  I find it ironic that Christians love to point out the prevalence of human sacrifice in pagan culture, when the very basis of Christianity is a human sacrifice.

Is that you volunteering to have your heart dissected to appease the "volcano gods" ?

If you use Indiana Jones and similar products to create impression about Paganism, it's only fair your own faith get's judged from works of Dan Brown and similar.