Post: #126

(01-03-2013 04:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I personally worked my fucking balls off in college, I swore off all women, drugs, and partying for three years

I did too and I ended up with little or nothing. These days it's not enough to work hard hard anymore. You have to work hard *and smart*.

Post: #127

The thing is with most blue collar dudes is they don't care about any of this shit we talk about here most of them want to be busy and have cash for their hobbies or go to Nascar races or make the Harley payment.

I can't imagine walking on to a job site and trying to explain how the work they do is a huge DLV to women.

Post: #128

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(09-23-2011 08:20 PM)CupCake Wrote:  I would love to. Got any money I could borrow?

Get two shit jobs.

work 60 hours a week save until you can take a CELTA course

go to some tropical paradise/financial frowth area like thai/china

learn something online there like network config

get certified via testing
now you can save and in 10 years you will have "fuck you" money.

it took me 20 years to do similar plan, except my slow sure ticket to "fuck you" was state employment when it was more lucrative.

College grads make 84% more lifetime.

citation:
http://www9.georgetown.edu/grad/gppi/hpi...mplete.pdf

It teaches you how think better. And to look for hard data instead of the hearsay and emotional reasoning you get on forums. It is one piece of data that shows you have the WILLINGNESS and ABILITY to FUCKING FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS FROM AN AUTHORITY FIGURE IN A PERSISTENT WAY UNTIL YOU FINISH SOMETHING. This is not as common as you would think.

The stupidest people are wholly convinced they are too smart to take instructions from anyone. I'm not talking about an entrepeneur with a 130 IQ, I mean common people. When you meet someone your first task in figuring out if they will be beneficial to know is to screen them out of the mass of idiots that populate the world. That's too harsh, I mean the mass of people whose depth of ideas, scope of thinking, and capacity for vision is quite limited. They might be a great car mechanic, but still they are limited in how they can help me with what I want to do.

When I meet someone with a college degree, I tentatively assume they are not dumb as dirt. Of course the big geniuses often don't finish degrees. Maybe you're the next Steve Jobs. The number of these people you meet will be statistically insignificant.



MY LIBERAL ARTS degree has vastly enriched my life due to period of time spent with collection of forward minded learning individuals. And this is not sour grapes, because I went back and studied programming and made a good living at it before I went into health care. That taught to think with rigor.

But it was all the human studies-- the "dumb stuff" for cynics--that greatly deepened my appreciation of life,humanity, and all the arts. Dumb stuff that doesn't make anyone money . You can't learn the same way in the midst of money-grabbing stockbrokers. And you can't go back after you make your pile in the same way because your mind is not as receptive.

I could have made a ton of money. And what do people do when they have it? They buy something from an artist, a painting, an architect, or a movie, or pay a bitch to puy out.

I am WAY happier to be the guy making the painting than the rich guy looking to buy one (Even though he won't buy mine, but a "famous" painter's.) The role is a million times more fun.

If you have talent, you could end up making movies in Ukraine like I am now. Of course I've dedicated most of my life to the arts, only taking the minimum time to make the minimum amount of fuck you money; so I actually can create something good. I'm here with little money and a feeling of awe at the great history of the arts before me, and after me. I busted ass in health care for a decade, but spent my twenties playing the guitar. ( Not as a medical doctor, I see few people in this era crossing over from medicine to arts which is my focus. I sure appreciate doctors however.)

Here's a country where women often specify doctors or engineers only for husbands: India. What a fun place. You too can have a sterile, money centered future, if you want it.

key is to have end in mind. You have to have talent to stay off the treadmill of money-enslavement. You'll know it if you have talent because you'll see successful artists and think you can do better. People will think you're an arrogant, entitled asshole. Like I am.

Post: #129

In the end it comes down to:

   

Post: #130

(01-03-2013 10:03 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  In the end it comes down to:

When the Reagans needed money, it was the Democratic New Deal combined with their ability that got them started.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0760624.html

"When his father got a New Deal WPA job, the future president became an ardent Roosevelt Democrat."

People are all about individual responsibility until they need help.

And the Reagan example shows we should give it to them, because Ronald Reagan might have never gone to college and become president without the Democratic New Deal.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "kick 'em while they're down" crowd. You'd be singing a very different tune if you weren't on top.

Post: #131

I have a bad feeling that is country is going to end up like some of the carribean countries where you have a couple business owners, and then a ton of guys just sitting around doing nothing....

But for you guys 25 and under, you can always find some crap job in the meantime.

I graduated college 3 months before 9/11, a month later I started working at a catering hall for 350-400 a week off the books until I got a real job. Those jobs still and ALWAYS will exist.....

Post: #132

(01-03-2013 10:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  In the end it comes down to:

When the Reagans needed money, it was the Democratic New Deal that got them started.

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0760624.html

"When his father got a New Deal WPA job, the future president became an ardent Roosevelt Democrat."

People are all about individual responsibility until they need help.

And the Reagan example shows we should give it to them, because Ronald Reagan might have never gone to college and become president without the Democratic New Deal.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "kick 'em while they're down" crowd. You'd be singing a very different tune if you weren't on top.

I was referring to personal responsibility. So what if the gov't sucks, or economy, or jobs, or being a fuck up and getting a shitty degree. At some point YOU have to realize that when things go bad in your life, its YOUR fault. Blaming everything around you doesn't get you anywhere.

Take Roosh. His life sucked. Is he still in D.C.? He got off his ass and made it happen. And if YOU aren't there yet, YOU aren't trying hard enough. I'm happy where I am. Soon I'll be off on another adventure, during a bad economy, bad politics, bum knee, no money, crazy family, ect.

Save the pity party for the reddit forum .

Post: #133

(09-22-2011 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This hits home because my brother is a sophomore in high school. My dad is hellbent on him going to college, but doesn't understand that things have changed in 15 years. Unless my brother plans to study something like engineering or medicine, I'm going to urge him not to go.

Def. good advice. I was given this book by my dad and it is a good read if you want to back up all of the points I am sure you will hammer home.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Education-Mill...1591845610

And on the another front, MJ DiMarcos book fastlane millionaire is straight g when it comes to breaking down the mindset and what a money tree that will create massive wealth looks like.

http://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Fastla...illionaire

Post: #134

If your working Blue Collar or Heavy Industry work you just gotta put yourself in the right environment. I come from the bum-fuck parts of Canada and women where I am from still cling to the Trade guys. They make good money and by default are one step ahead in being able to hold down a home and be a proper man. They are all about family and living the good life, a lot of women sniff that out. All my Trade buddies are doing fine right now with the ladies.

Post: #135

(01-03-2013 11:57 PM)kosko Wrote:  If your working Blue Collar or Heavy Industry work you just gotta put yourself in the right environment. I come from the bum-fuck parts of Canada and women where I am from still cling to the Trade guys. They make good money and by default are one step ahead in being able to hold down a home and be a proper man. They are all about family and living the good life, a lot of women sniff that out. All my Trade buddies are doing fine right now with the ladies.

Completely agree with this. Lots of buddies who went into trades and one is working for his dad's regional electrical contracting company. Guy will take over the business, has already bought a 500k house on the lake, arrogant truck, looks like shit, and is not hurting for any attention. Usually most of the more masculine guys are hitting the trades heavy here now.

A lot of these guys will probably always clear more than many lawyers/sales guys/bankers out in rural Canada.

Post: #136

Reagan was a Hollywood pinko liberal for a long time. Here he is sounding like what passes for the far left in politics these days. You'll never catch the supposed socialist Obama talking like this ever. Reagan's endorsement of Harry Truman and liberal icon Hubert H. Humphrey in 1948:





Then he met conservative Nancy Davis in 1949, thus beginning his transition to pussy whipped beta and being a corporate whore. The definition of Reagan's public life from then on was that he knew which side his bread was buttered on.

This is from Wikipedia, but all of this information is easy to verify:

Quote:Reagan began his political career as a Democrat. However, in the early 1950s, as his relationship with Republican actress Nancy Davis grew,[58][59] he shifted to the right and, while remaining a Democrat, endorsed the presidential candidacies of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956 as well as Richard Nixon in 1960.[60] The last time Reagan actively supported a Democratic candidate was in 1950 when he helped Helen Gahagan Douglas in her unsuccessful Senate campaign against Richard Nixon.[61] After being hired in 1954 to host the General Electric Theater, a TV drama series,[62] Reagan soon began to embrace the conservative views of the sponsoring company's officials.[62][63] His many GE speeches—which he wrote himself—were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message; he was influenced by Lemuel Boulware, a senior GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his innovative strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government

Post: #137

(09-22-2011 02:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This hits home because my brother is a sophomore in high school. My dad is hellbent on him going to college, but doesn't understand that things have changed in 15 years. Unless my brother plans to study something like engineering or medicine, I'm going to urge him not to go

I agree to some point, but looking into what sort or career path you can get out of College or University play a big part in your end game. I have went to College with too many people (myself included) who went blindly and then complained that their diplomas/degrees were useless, but they never looked into what they could actually use it for and what sort of hire rate people in that program had afterwards. They put too much faith in a system that is openly exploiting them.

That's why I am going to change the world with a degree in Sociology (with a strong emphasis on Marxism) and minor in Womens Studies.

Post: #138

It's only a lost generation because kids aren't being resourceful. The resources are out there. It's on each person to figure out how they're going to contribute to society in a meaningful and sustainable way. No one is out there just handing out jobs, and if they are you should be highly suspicious of them.

One of the few really good government websites is the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Tons of useful data. If you want to figure out what area of work to go into check out: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/. If you want to know if you're being low balled on a job offer check out: http://www.bls.gov/bls/blswage.htm. Another good site for figuring out how much your degree is worth is: http://www.jobsearchintelligence.com/NAC...lator.php.

Post: #139

(01-04-2013 02:12 AM)NFallin Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 11:57 PM)kosko Wrote:  If your working Blue Collar or Heavy Industry work you just gotta put yourself in the right environment. I come from the bum-fuck parts of Canada and women where I am from still cling to the Trade guys. They make good money and by default are one step ahead in being able to hold down a home and be a proper man. They are all about family and living the good life, a lot of women sniff that out. All my Trade buddies are doing fine right now with the ladies.

Completely agree with this. Lots of buddies who went into trades and one is working for his dad's regional electrical contracting company. Guy will take over the business, has already bought a 500k house on the lake, arrogant truck, looks like shit, and is not hurting for any attention. Usually most of the more masculine guys are hitting the trades heavy here now.

A lot of these guys will probably always clear more than many lawyers/sales guys/bankers out in rural Canada.

The job market is no longer traditional. It takes being resourceful and mobile. The military is still a great way to pickup solid tech skills. The Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard have good tech programs, and being enlisted gives access to college money and always looks good on a resume. A LOT of employers now are looking for veterans.

Post: #140

(01-05-2013 10:47 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(01-04-2013 02:12 AM)NFallin Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 11:57 PM)kosko Wrote:  If your working Blue Collar or Heavy Industry work you just gotta put yourself in the right environment. I come from the bum-fuck parts of Canada and women where I am from still cling to the Trade guys. They make good money and by default are one step ahead in being able to hold down a home and be a proper man. They are all about family and living the good life, a lot of women sniff that out. All my Trade buddies are doing fine right now with the ladies.

Completely agree with this. Lots of buddies who went into trades and one is working for his dad's regional electrical contracting company. Guy will take over the business, has already bought a 500k house on the lake, arrogant truck, looks like shit, and is not hurting for any attention. Usually most of the more masculine guys are hitting the trades heavy here now.

A lot of these guys will probably always clear more than many lawyers/sales guys/bankers out in rural Canada.

The job market is no longer traditional. It takes being resourceful and mobile. The military is still a great way to pickup solid tech skills. The Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard have good tech programs, and being enlisted gives access to college money and always looks good on a resume. A LOT of employers now are looking for veterans.

This only really applies to America. I have friends whom work for the Forces in applied skills and they are far from mobile. Initially yea, and they do have the option of doing opportunities in some parts abroad but generally speaking they are just doing shift work at a military-office complex in Ottawa or Halifax.

Post: #141

That's cause America is #1! Team Amerika, FUCK YEAH!

Post: #142

We live in an era of abundance. For the most part, the lazy don't have to worry much about the basic comforts of life and their direct needs.

The question that isn't being asked from all the pundits criticizing young men is: What incentive does your average American 20something have to be productive?

For a lot of us, it means we prefer to spend our time and money investing in ourselves instead of the high risk/low reward traditional means. To be honest, any bachelor can live happily on as low as $15k a year or lower.