Post: #101

(01-02-2013 02:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

I definitely see a lot of people who have this attitude. Its another form of entitlement attitude. But there is SOME legitimate logic to it if they have just spent X amount of money going to university etc

A college education doesn't mean one is entitled to a good job or great pay. Especially if the person chose a worthless major. Ask just about any barista. Almost every single one I've ever encountered majored in something stupid and can't find a decent job utilizing their degree.

I've been out of high school for years now. Most of the guys I know that went to tech school are making more money and working fewer hours than those that just completed their bachelor's degree.

Post: #102

(01-02-2013 01:27 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Notice the usernames here..I'm the only one that works!!!!

Where's the

Dave the plumber

A/C Tom

Janitor Jim

Etc,,etc..

I love it!

From now on, I will be:

High school baseball umpire and part time security guard Giovonny

Post: #103

(01-02-2013 03:19 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:27 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Notice the usernames here..I'm the only one that works!!!!

Where's the

Dave the plumber

A/C Tom

Janitor Jim

Etc,,etc..

I love it!

From now on, I will be:

High school baseball umpire and part time security guard Giovonny

The fisherman and shrimper names are better..
"Offshore bobby"

Yeah were a bunch of clowns but it's actually fun to hang out on the job.

The key is to learn the trade then start your own company. One of my best buds here is an A/C guy and really good at it. The people in town treat him like a celeb. The other day he got pulled over with a joint burning and two open containers and the cop asked him how busy he was next week..

He told me he averages 2k in his pocket to change a system and it takes him 4 hours with a helper. I make about 2k to swap engines on a newer car and could do 10 a week if they were here.

The problem..

If you keyboard jockeys aren't making money than you can't hire us. Most younger people have their parents and grandparents paying the bills for them.

When I was in my 20s parents didn't baby us like they do now I would never ask my parents for cash not only it's embarrassing they would laugh in my face and make Burger king jokes and fuck with me on the phone for months calling me a loser. I joke with my friends and call my mom on speaker asking for $100 to pay my electric bill and she goes off on me.

Post: #104

(01-02-2013 03:12 PM)raliv Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

College graduates in particular don't like the idea of Blue Collar work because:

1. They still want to be around people in their own age and peer group.
2. They view Blue Collar workers as uneducated proles and "rednecks."

I'm not saying it's true but that is what I am gathering as why SWPL young men are hesitant to be a Blue Collared worker.

I don't really know how those kinds of people feel about blue collar jobs because I don't hang around idiots like that. I'm just guessing they're scared to break a sweat and get dirty hands when they're working at Starbucks instead of a plant or warehouse where they can b e making 3x as much.

Post: #105

I haven't read through this entire thread but the big question jumped out at me:

What are young men SUPPOSED to do in this economy?

Yes, you have options to major in something technical or math-y but then you end up in a corporate job--which, you either hate it and quit, or you make it to 50 and your employer lays you off because that's what they do with expensive employees.

Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.

Yes, you could start your own business, but for a majority of guys, they won't succeed.

This article made an interesting point. Summary: Make money from your corporate job while you can, stash it away while either waiting for a business idea and until you have the means to make it happen.

http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

Post: #106

(01-02-2013 09:42 PM)apoclater Wrote:  Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

Post: #107

Post: #108

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

Post: #109

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

I get the jeer, my point and implication was that a blue collar career is a DLV to many women.. I'm not saying I judge the career choice.

Post: #110

(01-02-2013 10:17 PM)apoclater Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

I get the jeer, my point and implication was that a blue collar career is a DLV to many women.. I'm not saying I judge the career choice.

Man, that's not good news for me. Do you have any links to share?

Post: #111

(01-02-2013 10:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:17 PM)apoclater Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

I get the jeer, my point and implication was that a blue collar career is a DLV to many women.. I'm not saying I judge the career choice.

Man, that's not good news for me. Do you have any links to share?

How do you deal with guys looking down on you?

Post: #112

My father was a mechanic for all his working years. As was my grandfather and great-grandfather. Me, I had to go to college and become and industrial chemist.
I gave the chemical field up years ago when all the jobs were being shipped overseas.
Some days I hear my ancestors laughing at me.

Post: #113

A lot of guys here are condemning college grads for feeling entitled.

But consider this. For their entire lives, their parents have told them a college education is the gateway to the middle class. Their political leaders have intoned time and again that advanced degrees are the key to making Americans competetive in the global economy.

Then we're turning around and telling kids who are knee-deep in college debt to put their degree in a storage locker and work at a blue-collar job. It's a lot to ask. Especially when you consider that even with grade inflation, a kid who graduates with a bachelor's degree is almost by definition above average in intelligence. The percentage of the population with a bachelor's is still a minority in the U.S.

Post: #114

(01-02-2013 11:34 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  A lot of guys here are condemning college grads for feeling entitled.

But consider this. For their entire lives, their parents have told them a college education is the gateway to the middle class. Their political leaders have intoned time and again that advanced degrees are the key to making Americans competetive in the global economy.

Then we're turning around and telling kids who are knee-deep in college debt to put their degree in a storage locker and work at a blue-collar job. It's a lot to ask. Especially when you consider that even with grade inflation, a kid who graduates with a bachelor's degree is almost by definition above average in intelligence. The percentage of the population with a bachelor's is still a minority in the U.S.

No. Most parents send the kids to college to give them a fighting chance after being lazy and spoiled for 18 years then let them be slack for a few more years. The debt is you guys being lazy, spoiled and entitled.

Post: #115

Who's telling college kids to get blue collar jobs?? I'm only mentioning it on the forum to try and help someone who's in debt and working at Starbucks. They wouldn't be broke as fuck if they were that smart to begin with.

Post: #116

The recession has nothing to do with the current jacked up generation. It's all to do with parenting. This isn't the first economic downturn, and Americans of past were a bit more resilient. Men HATED standing in line at the soup kitchens. Now they live at home still on the titty. Mommy and daddy fuck up their kids, then keep trying to correct by extending the fuckedupidness by 4-8 years of college.

I met PLENTY of "privileged" kids at UGA that were "2" classes away from graduating. Fucked up part is........they'd been in school for 6 years for an undergrad! WTF? Know why? They were afraid to get off the titty. And the other fucked up part is the parent let them do it. Now how are you going to explain to a respectable employer why it took that long to graduate? Jeez, just think how long it would take one of these slackasses to file a TPS report?

I'm thinking about starting a cubicle biz and hiring all these modern marvels of intellect. It'd be about as functional as the Hogan family, and I'd probably get a reality T.V. show.

Post: #117

(01-02-2013 11:44 PM)houston Wrote:  Who's telling college kids to get blue collar jobs?? I'm only mentioning it on the forum to try and help someone who's in debt and working at Starbucks. They wouldn't be broke as fuck if they were that smart to begin with.

Yeah. Who's telling you to get blue collar jobs? We don't want you guys.

Make money and just use us please.

Post: #118

Why attack blue collar or white collar people?

quiz:

lazy or productive: a dude who pulls thousands of dollars to blow it all on hindu kush

lazy or productive: a dude who invests years in learning computer code to make apps

it isn't so clear with class.

The *real* issue at hand is ***debt spending***. Simple as that. Guys like roosh make do and thrive with their own money. Other guys finance a shitload and desperately believe they need to.

If you are paying out-of-pocket for everything, you are competing with a herd of people who shift responsibility to banks, banks which engineer thousands of minute loopholes to look 'productive' (while hiding the fact that buying mortages, debt packages, etc is valueless competitive drivel)

When (not if) we default, do you think cletus is going to afford his kush and his six previously-ACME raised kids (and his hypergamus wife)?

Do you think latte-drinking Columbia grad is going to pay back those 120k student loans with his copy-editing job?

I can't wait.

Edit: I changed my mind. If you have debt because you fled exorbinant divorce payments, amen brother all sins forgiven.

Post: #119

A couple of years back I ran into a guy I knew from high school out at the bars. He was one of those "big dumb oaf" type of guys and played guard on the football team. He couldn't get into college out of high school so he went to trade school then did an apprenticeship as a plumber. Fast forward to 9 years out of high school and he was making about twice what my college educated degree having ass was at a fortune 500 company in the area.

There are a lot of tradesmen out there but a lot of them are bad businessmen and/or have unreliable staff. Get the training to be a mechanic, carpenter, plumber, etc. Get some business/buy an existing shop and then hire people to work for you so you can go back to sitting behind the desk (if that is what you want to do). You can still rake in some good money that way.

Post: #120

I think that with the great recession upon us, shitty parenting and shitty food, you are going to see a whole generation of kids dying before there parents do. Even now a lot of people my grandparents age 75-95 are outliving there children who are in the 50-60 range. I feel as we get older this will pick up steam and entire generation will be whipped out around 50. I think it will be the kids born in the 90's.

Post: #121

(01-02-2013 01:25 PM)houston Wrote:  Most guys are scared or look down on blue collar type jobs. They would rather live with their parents than get their hands dirty.

OK. This isn't me. I'm smart and naturally athletic. I have no problem pulling in some dough while having a good daily workout and waiting for one of my connections to sniff out a boring ass beta desk job. The only blue collar job I know about in my area is craft beer brewing. There are a few warehouse jobs 100 miles north and east of me but they're in high unemployment towns.

What should I do? What should I look for? I've been hearing that it isn't as easy to become a plumber or electrician as everyone is claiming due to the lack of apprenticeships.

BTW a friend of a friend recently turned down a glass making job and decided to move back home across the country instead. Idiot. That's the kind of blue collar shit that makes the panties drop.

Post: #122

(01-02-2013 10:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:17 PM)apoclater Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

I get the jeer, my point and implication was that a blue collar career is a DLV to many women.. I'm not saying I judge the career choice.

Man, that's not good news for me. Do you have any links to share?

You own your business, so it's a DHV for you. How about the regular mechanics who stick their head up an exhaust pipe every day?

Post: #123

The simple fact is that people are being hard on a generation that was fed lies for their entire youth (my youth included).

When you are young, it is impossible to think for yourself. Being harsh on our generation is disingenuous. I personally worked my fucking balls off in college, I swore off all women, drugs, and partying for three years to get into law school. Other than the philosophy I studied which turned me into a brain, the entire experience was worthless.

Post: #124

Additionally, the idea that men should work hard in a country where the government prints $85 billion per month is laughable.

Workers are suckers who slave their lives away for others who literally contribute nothing.

If the men were men in America, they'd all march down to Wall St. and D.C. and still killing everyone in charge.

Post: #125

(01-03-2013 04:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:17 PM)apoclater Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:49 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  [quote='apoclater' pid='339502' dateline='1357180938']
Yes, you could do blue collar work but let's face it, a lot of people look down on plumbers and auto mechanics, including women.
http://dangerandplay.com/running-out-of-time/

I know it all to well it's a hard life full of insecurity. Looking back I'm actually shocked we were able to get laid without a computer.

I get the jeer, my point and implication was that a blue collar career is a DLV to many women.. I'm not saying I judge the career choice.

Man, that's not good news for me. Do you have any links to share?

You own your business, so it's a DHV for you. How about the regular mechanics who stick their head up an exhaust pipe every day?

I made more than the last doctor that did my physical. Or more than the guys from high school that are now lawyers. And I turn a wrench.