Post: #26

Don't act like a women and find a new job.

Post: #27

Can't you do the same as him? Arriving late and leaving early thats what also I would do.

If someone goes talk to you because of that, just say that as you see your co worker do that all the time you thought it was a policy of the company about being flexible with work schedules.

Post: #28

"Cow worker sounds like management material to me."
LOL
Yes, leadership requires delegation and time management.
At least it will be called personnumberpeoplet soon.

Post: #29

(04-11-2018 11:33 PM)federernadal Wrote:  This guy is a severe underperformer but in this company nobody really cares....If the boss delves deep it would look terrible on him ("you had an employee who did 5 hours a day for how long???"). This could ruin my relationship with him.

It sounds like you already know the answer. If you're ever dependent on his work output and it's dragging you down, that might be the time to discuss it.

Post: #30

I've only snitched on (i.e. complained about) a coworker when responsibility for their repeated fuckups was dumped upon me, since I was always relatively reliable. When I'm no longer able to do my own job without putting in extra hours thanks to someone else who's unable/unwilling to do their own job, at that point I am being stolen from.

Post: #31

Find another job

Post: #32

No. Don't ruin it

Post: #33

Find a different job and snitch during your 2 weeks.

Confucius says the best time to fart in an elevator is right before you leave.

Post: #34

(04-11-2018 11:33 PM)federernadal Wrote:  I hate the fact that this guy is cheating while I slog it out daily and my boss is just never going to find out if I dont tell him.

Unless you correct your focus you will continue to be a loser. It sounds like your job sucks. You need to focus on improving your life, instead of worrying about whether someone else is paying less of a price to keep his slave job.

Post: #35

This thread about "The Gervais Principle" is mandatory for you to understand the situation you're in... You real life Dilbert !

Go read ribbon farm !!

Post: #36

(04-12-2018 01:42 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Why don't you join them, maybe you can clock out early too

Obvious answer. If the boss doesn't even give a shit, why do you?

Take 3 hour lunches, smoke dope out back, line up dates during work, read a book, do whatever the hell you want.

You could potentially not work much at all until you find a job where you actually accomplish something during the day. Jobs where there are concrete goals (instead of paperwork or whatever the fuck you do) are more rewarding anyway.

Post: #37

(04-12-2018 12:37 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  I mind my own business. I had a dude at work who probably did 3 out of 8 hours but I'm getting paid the same regardless, I don't give a fuck.

Alright, this is what I intend to do. But you sound like you were very nonchalant about this? How? How did you not let it bother you at all? I get that it doesnt directly affect you, but doesnt the daily flagrant unethical behavior at least make you bat an eye?

Also, I am absolutely not going to be quitting an otherwise good job over some ass*ole lol. I'm Not THAT weak. Besides, shit like this goes down everywhere and it is a pick your poison type deal.

Post: #38

(04-12-2018 07:20 PM)federernadal Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 12:37 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  I mind my own business. I had a dude at work who probably did 3 out of 8 hours but I'm getting paid the same regardless, I don't give a fuck.

Alright, this is what I intend to do. But you sound like you were very nonchalant about this? How? How did you not let it bother you at all? I get that it doesnt directly affect you, but doesnt the daily flagrant unethical behavior at least make you bat an eye?

Also, I am absolutely not going to be quitting an otherwise good job over some ass*ole lol. I'm Not THAT weak. Besides, shit like this goes down everywhere and it is a pick your poison type deal.

I'm not losing money, the business is. It's their job to monitor all that.

If I'm working extra over a slacker I will snitch all day. It doesn't sound like much gets done where you work so it doesn't sound like you are working extra.

edit: When I snitch on a slacker I don't go all out, I just say something light like "dude is being lazy, talk to him he needs to help me with this." This is after calling the person out myself repeatedly. Going to the boss is always last resort. Again this is only if my workload is increased by another's laziness.

Post: #39

(04-12-2018 07:20 PM)federernadal Wrote:  Alright, this is what I intend to do. But you sound like you were very nonchalant about this? How? How did you not let it bother you at all? I get that it doesnt directly affect you, but doesnt the daily flagrant unethical behavior at least make you bat an eye?

I've done this with co-workers in the past who I felt weren't pulling their weight. I learned very quickly that it doesn't work out well for you, doesn't work out well for them, and doesn't work out well for the company. It's just not worth it. Often the bad blood it creates damages the whole operation far more than the original conduct. You'll still have to work with this guy and his friends after you rat him out.

Post: #40

Is it that your co-worker's behavior is resulting in more work for you? In other words, are you expected to pick up the slack?

Post: #41

While i don’t advocate snitching (never did at work), this guy sounds like the type of guy that would snitch on you if you were the one doing this. Can you imagine you clocking out early, do you think this racist dude would let you get away with that? Of course he wouldn’t. Not sure what to tell you, it’s really up to you.

Post: #42

(04-11-2018 11:33 PM)federernadal Wrote:  I am not white, this guy is pretty racist and has always given "i hate you and your kind" vibes toward me. He is typical fly over state kinda guy, has gun posters everywhere and is a national guard member.

He's gonna shoot you if younrat him out.

Aloha!

Post: #43

I’ll never forget a picture I saw in a client’s office one day, the back drop was a beach with wavy water and it said:

MAKE MONEY, NOT WAVES.

Post: #44

So I couldnt help myself and in a "parking lot conversation" yesterday evening I asked my boss (in an effort to hint to him that this is happening): "So can your system tell if someone is using a remote desktop to clock out?" and he looked at me as if I am doing this/planning to do this.

Well, shit. Screw this, I am just going to keep to myself atleast until I am just a pawn (if/when I become manager, that is when I will give my opinions about other people). Obviously this doesnt change the fact that I think the coworker is a POS, so I am Just going to blindfold myself and try to forget that he ever existed.

Post: #45

Sounds like you've come to the right conclusion. I'd say anytime I ever drew unnecessary attention to myself for anything other than good performance at a job it pretty much blew up in my face.

Post: #46

Way to implicate yourself bud. Enjoy being under a microscope while your coworker maintains his laissez-faire attitude about hours. You need to read a book, the good guys don't always win in real life.

48 laws of power
The art of war
PIMP
How to win friends and influence people.

Read those, they're short, uncomfortable and it might just be what you need.

Post: #47

If that guy gets the same job done in 4-5h as everyone else is getting in 8h then what is the problem?

Post: #48

(04-12-2018 01:39 PM)flanders Wrote:  Find a different job and snitch during your 2 weeks.

Confucius says the best time to fart in an elevator is right before you leave.

This is the best way to handle it in my experience. You should be looking for another job, because changing jobs usually results in a salary increase if you are deliberate about it. Also, the fact that you used that passive, underhanded strategy to try to bring it up to the boss shows that it's bothering you a lot that a guy you don't like is getting away with slacking. (By the way, the way you communicated with your boss about it violates two of Jordan Peterson's rules: (1)Tell the truth, or at least don’t lie (you're lying by omission in what you told your boss), and (2) Be precise in your speech.)

Anyway, once you have a new job lined up, and don't accept a new job unless they give you at least a 5% increase in salary, but preferably 10%, then tell your boss when you give two-weeks notice that you want an "exit interview." In preparation for the interview make some detailed notes on everything negative (and positive, might as well) that you've noticed about the job over the years you've worked there. Then, during the interview, rat the guy out in a cold, dispassionate manner as if you could care less whether the boss does anything about it or not. Then go on your merry way to your new job with a clear conscience.

Post: #49

(04-20-2018 09:42 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 01:39 PM)flanders Wrote:  Find a different job and snitch during your 2 weeks.

Confucius says the best time to fart in an elevator is right before you leave.

This is the best way to handle it in my experience. You should be looking for another job, because changing jobs usually results in a salary increase if you are deliberate about it. Also, the fact that you used that passive, underhanded strategy to try to bring it up to the boss shows that it's bothering you a lot that a guy you don't like is getting away with slacking. (By the way, the way you communicated with your boss about it violates two of Jordan Peterson's rules: (1)Tell the truth, or at least don’t lie (you're lying by omission in what you told your boss), and (2) Be precise in your speech.)

Anyway, once you have a new job lined up, and don't accept a new job unless they give you at least a 5% increase in salary, but preferably 10%, then tell your boss when you give two-weeks notice that you want an "exit interview." In preparation for the interview make some detailed notes on everything negative (and positive, might as well) that you've noticed about the job over the years you've worked there. Then, during the interview, rat the guy out in a cold, dispassionate manner as if you could care less whether the boss does anything about it or not. Then go on your merry way to your new job with a clear conscience.

Just hop.

I work in sales where anyone like this would be asked to leave after the first month or two, or transferred to a lower paying dept where performance doesn't matter.

OP you should job hop every year to a better job, you can easily get 10 or 20k to your salary.

Post: #50

Snitches get stitches.

Let karma or a higher power sort it out if it bothers you.