Post: #51

What benefits did you get from this Merc?

(04-05-2018 07:47 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  ...


Water fasting = Drinking only water and zero food.

Dry fasting = Zero water and zero food.

(04-04-2018 07:54 PM)str8_thggn Wrote:  I was under the impression that 3 days without water will kill you.

Yeah, half the internet screams at you, that you will die after 3 days without water. It's nonsense.

Maybe if you're an infant, a small child or spend all your days in the desert or under the hot summer sun all day, then yes you might die...but in most cases you will be fine as long as you stay at home and take it easy. How do I know this ? Cause I went 5 days and 5 nights straight with ZERO food AND ZERO water last year. Yes, no liquids for 5 days.

My advice:
If you're going to try it, have a friend/relative/girlfiend with you during the fasting to make sure you don't faint when getting up from a sitting or lying position. That's the biggest danger when doing serious fasting...hitting your head by fainting when you get up too fast. Get up as slowly as possible.

Post: #52

Btw, in my three 10 day fasts so far, the first two days were dry meaning no water -- but I started taking water on the third day. I think dry fasts can be quite beneficial -- but not more than two days. If you go more you need to take more precautions. I think three days should be the limit for most though.

Post: #53

(04-06-2018 04:53 AM)Bain Wrote:  I think dry fasts can be quite beneficial

There is no evidence for this whatsoever. There is no benefit to not ingesting fluids.

Guys please do not fuck yourselves up. Broscience is fine when it's harmless like "take cold showers", but not when talking about vital, basic needs.

No one here should be telling guys "dry fasts" are fine or "quite beneficial". I don't care if you supposedly did it for X days, it's retarded, dangerous, with no benefit. If you want to believe shit and advocate for it and kill people via a personal blog then do that, but it shouldn't be spread on a forum where guys are looking for real, factual, healthy advice.

Post: #54

(04-05-2018 11:58 PM)Roadrunner Wrote:  

(04-05-2018 11:37 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  I'm about to start a 3 day no oxygen fast. I cant wait to report back.

The OG burn from Tuth, not as creative the second time around though.

I don't know what you're referring to, got a link?

Post: #55

(04-06-2018 04:03 AM)asdfk Wrote:  What benefits did you get from this Merc?

(04-05-2018 07:47 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  ...


Water fasting = Drinking only water and zero food.

Dry fasting = Zero water and zero food.

(04-04-2018 07:54 PM)str8_thggn Wrote:  I was under the impression that 3 days without water will kill you.

Yeah, half the internet screams at you, that you will die after 3 days without water. It's nonsense.

Maybe if you're an infant, a small child or spend all your days in the desert or under the hot summer sun all day, then yes you might die...but in most cases you will be fine as long as you stay at home and take it easy. How do I know this ? Cause I went 5 days and 5 nights straight with ZERO food AND ZERO water last year. Yes, no liquids for 5 days.

My advice:
If you're going to try it, have a friend/relative/girlfiend with you during the fasting to make sure you don't faint when getting up from a sitting or lying position. That's the biggest danger when doing serious fasting...hitting your head by fainting when you get up too fast. Get up as slowly as possible.

I see 0 benefits for not consuming any water aside from trying to lose water weight which is only useful in certain situations and it's only a temporary change. It's the lazy mans way to try to make weight for a weigh in, and the loss of energy and thought processing capability are not worth the time spent not consuming water.

Actually, there is one other benefit if you look at it sideways. The desire for water far outweighs the desire for food, so if you are trying to stay on a fast come day 2 you won't even think of food.

Post: #56

You are not fucking yourself up if you fast to cut
Assuming you want to lose 10 kilos (22lbs) What do you think is going to be easier for your body:
-slowly fucking up your metabolism because you under eat for months (this is starvation by the way)
-Doing a 2 week water fast
I've done both and trust me I'd rather fast
Fasting is truly scary for most people and this is why they make jokes about it or tell you you're gonna die yet they have never experienced it.

Post: #57

Muscle loss is a meme normie fitness bros push to comfort themselves from the thought of hard cutting. You won't lose shit unless it's a legit months long sub-500 cal 0 protein concentration camp diet.

Post: #58

(04-05-2018 03:10 AM)asdfk Wrote:  There is some science indicating fasting promotes longevity, but it's not definite.

If you decide to go this route, do it under medical supervision.

Even if it does, who would want to live longer hungry?

Come on now.

Post: #59

(04-06-2018 03:51 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 03:43 AM)Bain Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 02:27 AM)king bast Wrote:  What are some of these "many benefits"?

I had a previous blood test with results done some months back -- so I knew where I stood. The post fast blood test results showed huge improvements. So fasting is indeed a direct way to improve one's inner health in a short time. The slow way of trying to improve inner health does not work well bc one bad day of eating can mean you have to start over again from the beginning. The rapid method by fasting is most effective.

Did your experiment have a control group?

Why do the "secret insider health knowledge guys" always avoid answering my simple questions?

Post: #60

So much bro science and studies being thrown around.

For the guys who do the fasting, what were your stats before and after. I've noticed you guys saying you've done it, to what goals and results?

Did these results last after or did you go back to your previous stats?


Also, this "detox" bullshit - your fucking body does that already.

Post: #61

More "Bro Science" which was also posted in another thread.

Post: #62

(04-06-2018 12:11 PM)Suits Wrote:  Why do the "secret insider health knowledge guys" always avoid answering my simple questions?

Do some research if you're interested.

"Five-day fasting diet could fight disease, slow aging"

Quote:Now, the researchers have completed a randomized clinical trial in which 71 people followed the fasting-mimicking diet for 3 months, while volunteers in the control group didn’t change their eating habits. Overall, the dieters lost an average of 2.6 kilograms (5.7 pounds), whereas the control group remained at the same weight, the scientists report online today in Science Translational Medicine. The calorie cutters also saw reductions in blood pressure, body fat, and waist size.

A 3-month trial can’t determine whether the diet increases longevity in people like it did in mice, which rarely survive beyond a couple years. But Longo notes that levels of insulin-like growth factor 1, a hormone that promotes aging in rodents and other lab animals, plunged in the low-cal group. And subjects who were at the highest risk for age-related illnesses also saw other indicators of malfunctioning metabolism go down, such as blood glucose levels and total cholesterol.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/f...slow-aging



"Fasting: A trending food idea and new frontier in longevity science"

Quote:n a small study of 71 people, the FMD diet didn't just reduce body weight and body fat, but decreased the body's production of the IGF-1 hormone, which has been implicated in cell processes that lead to aging and disease. The study's subjects also showed a decrease in C-reactive protein — that's notable because it is a marker for inflammation, which in recent years has been implicated in a range of diseases, from heart disease to cancer. The results were published in Science Translational Medicine earlier this year. The Longevity Institute has funding from the National Cancer Institute.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/science-...-less.html

Post: #63

(04-06-2018 12:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  So much bro science and studies being thrown around.

For the guys who do the fasting, what were your stats before and after. I've noticed you guys saying you've done it, to what goals and results?

Did these results last after or did you go back to your previous stats?


Also, this "detox" bullshit - your fucking body does that already.

I will report in a couple months my results with Ramadan fasting.

I second your "detox" scepticism. Here in France we have the biggest fitness Youtuber in Europe (Tibo Inshape), who always advocates drinking green tea, for detoxification. I would like to have some confirmation of that here.

Post: #64

I don't buy the xenobiotic thing stated by Patrick there, mostly because she doesn't really give a reason, just says "It's metabolized by the liver." Yes Rhonda, but they aren't calories, though they may create some, or minimal, energy breakdown. She walks it back a bit later.

Berkhan from Leangains got plenty of results from IF with coffee in the morning (til 12 noon), as long as it doesn't contain milk/sugar/etc excess calories as additives.

Post: #65

(04-06-2018 01:40 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  I don't buy the xenobiotic thing stated by Patrick there, mostly because she doesn't really give a reason, just says "It's metabolized by the liver." Yes Rhonda, but they aren't calories, though they may create some, or minimal, energy breakdown. She walks it back a bit later.

Berkhan from Leangains got plenty of results from IF with coffee in the morning (til 12 noon), as long as it doesn't contain milk/sugar/etc excess calories as additives.

Right, she only says it isn't optimal. That really doesn't say much.

I've had a bad knee since I fell wrong in judo class. No doubt I have some arthritis at this point. I experimented with the restricted eating and my knee felt a lot better. I have some weird sleeping habits and fell of that eating cycle and can feel it in my knee.

Hard to tell if I was dealing with a placebo or if it was because of the restricted eating. I need to do it longer once I get a set schedule.

I definitely think there is something to fasting. I don't really know how much fasting is optimal.

Post: #66

Fasting is the real deal. I did a two-week water-only medically supervised fast last year, followed by a one-week re-feeding period, at the top fasting clinic in the U.S. (and possibly the world). People traveled from all over the world to be there. I met people from all over the U.S., Switzerland, the U.K., Israel, the Philippines, and elsewhere. I heard many firsthand success stories from actual patients, including people who cured their diabetes, their high blood pressure, and their heart conditions. I meet one guy who had blood pressure of over 200 for many years. He was a walking time bomb. His blood pressure went down to just slightly above normal after only a few weeks of fasting. They have tons of articles and videos about fasting on their web site.

http://www.healthpromoting.com/

Dr. Goldhamer is an amazing wealth of information. I simply selected this video at random, but there are many other videos available on You Tube.





Fasting does a number of things: (1) it allows your body to heal itself using the very substantial energy that is normally devoted to digesting your food, (2) it allows your body to naturally reboot (much like a computer), (3) it promotes the production of stem cells for body repair, (4) it deprives your candida overgrowth of the sugar upon which it thrives, (5) it promotes the purging of old and worn-out cells through a process of self-cannibalization (autophagy), and (6) it forces your body to burn fat (ketosis), which slowly releases toxins that may have been in your fat cells for years or decades.

Think about it: what do animals do when they get hurt or get sick? They fast.

As someone who takes their health seriously, I read nearly a dozen books on fasting before taking the plunge and did some three-days fasts myself. Fasting is a lost medical art from the past, so most of the books are quite dated but still highly relevant. I would recommend that you begin with this book.

https://www.amazon.com/Fasting-Eating-He...ng+fuhrman

For those who want some scientific background, here are a few articles citing various recent scientific studies:

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-trigg...ne-system/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/207...e-cleared/

Drink plenty of pure water when you fast. Based on all my research, you can create major health issues by not doing so when you fast. The fasting clinic that I visited required patients to drink a minimum of six large galsses of water per day. After a long fast, you must also undergo a careful re-feeding period to reboot your digestion with broths, juices, and cooked vegetables. You can really mess yourself up by immediately eating a regular meal.

Post: #67

Nice post TG.

What are you other guys waiting? Get off your rear ends and start your fast and post your results here.

From my experience, here are some important tips in brief.

1 - Properly prepare for your fast. Eat a lot of fruits and drink water day before the fast. Do not eat junk food before the fast - as it makes the fast more difficult and not so pleasant.

2 - Rest during your fast. No strenuous activity. The body needs the energy to heal and cleanse itself. Doing walks though is fine and even helpful to circulate blood. Even a short light swim may be good.

3- Breaking the fast is more important than the fast itself. Break fast with warm lemon water and a bit of salt. Then have only small amounts of water rich fruits. Watermelon is the best. Have liquid soups -- homemade with fresh vegetables for the next few days. Read about how to properly reefed oneself and get good information.

4 - During the fast - no masturbation -- no grocery shopping bc you just want to look at the food. Stay home most of the time --- and read some good books.

5 - Drink 3 - 4 litres of water a day -- though if you can do a dry fast on the first day.

6 - If you do a ten fast which is great -- but it is a mini fast -- the first three days are the most difficult. Day 4, 5 are easy. Day 6,7,8 you get this renewed physical energy and your stomach feels full like you just ate a big meal. Be careful not to start over exerting yourself like I first did and went on a long bike ride. Day 9, 10 are difficult bc you just want the fast to end -- it is more mental though -- not physical as your body can easily keep doing many more days of fasting.

7 - Do not use will power to complete the fast. I find take it one day at a time is best. The first three days are challenging though so you may need some will power there.

8 - You are responsible and accountable your your own health. Get medical supervision if you have any medical ailments -- though fasting tends to cure most ailments.

9 -- After your fast you MUST start eating properly or else you will end up where you were before the fast. I am finding interment fasting -- like one meal a day does wonders.

10 - Fasting is the most direct way to achieve internal health in a short period. Get your before and after blood tests done and see the results for yourself.


The end.

Post: #68

Is anyone else confused by some of these posts? I'm guilty of posting nonsense, just to be funny, but try to make it serious (Suits, style--so it's more funny), but I can't tell if some of this is real or just someone poking fun at bullshit. The lines have been blurred.

PS, if these are real posts, I'm not trying to pick a fight...

Post: #69

Food fasting does offer some health benefits, I do 36h and 48h fasts occasionally but I don't see the point of going more than three days. Going on a no water fasting is just stupid, I can't think of any benefit.

Post: #70

Also the hardest thing about fasting IMO is the social pressure from family and friends, you consistantly need to reject dinner offers or have to fight with your friends to order a Perrier instead of a beer at the bar. Luckily you can still bang girls!

Post: #71

(04-07-2018 10:40 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  Is anyone else confused by some of these posts? I'm guilty of posting nonsense, just to be funny, but try to make it serious (Suits, style--so it's more funny), but I can't tell if some of this is real or just someone poking fun at bullshit. The lines have been blurred.

PS, if these are real posts, I'm not trying to pick a fight...

My dick grew one inch for each day I fasted.

Post: #72

Great info Tail Gunner and Bain. I don't buy into a no water fast, that doesn't make sense and sounds harmful especially as your body needs a constant flow of water to move toxins out that are released from fat cells / your liver and kidneys.

I'm starting a 2-3 day mild fast. I intend to just drink water for the first day. I'm also dealing with an eczema flare up which is prompting me to help my immune system clean my body up. Thanks for the motivation and resources, guys.

Post: #73

(04-07-2018 10:59 AM)Teutatis Wrote:  Food fasting does offer some health benefits, I do 36h and 48h fasts occasionally but I don't see the point of going more than three days. Going on a no water fasting is just stupid, I can't think of any benefit.

Yes, a no water fast can be quite dangerous, especially because so many people are already dehydrated without even realizing it. I have done a tremendous amount of research on fasting -- and I have never heard of a water fast. Perhaps someone is confused and misspoke, because the actual name of a true food fast is a "water only fast."

The purpose of fasting more than three days is that when people fast it takes women about two days, and men about three days, for the human body to use up its supply of glucose so that it can reach a state of ketosis and burn stored fat. Most of the benefits of fasting do not arise until the body achieves ketosis, which takes time. It also takes a while for your brain to switch from glucose to fat as a fuel.

Moreover, the longer that you stay on a fast the more stored fat is burned as fuel. If you fast for several weeks you will lose fat that has been in your body for years or even decades (depending how overweight you are). Because most toxins are stored in fat cells, you will slowly and safely lose toxins that have literally been in your body for years! Allowing you body to slowly detoxify is much safer than removing toxins quickly through chelation and other processes which can overload your kidneys and make things worse. Your body can only remove so many toxins within a certain time. Any excess toxins are dumped back into the blood stream, where they can migrate to the brain and make things worse.

Post: #74

Jesus... do some of you guys need to be shown studies that sleeping is healthy too?

Fasting holds water on evolutionary and experiential grounds. Actually, I'd argue that the health benefits of fasting are common fucking sense.

When, during our history as a species (homosapiens sapiens, mind you), have we had uninterrupted access to food?

For most of the time food availability was sporadic (hence the term "feast and famine").

The science also seems to point to the idea that various cleanup processes kick in (e.g. autophagy, insulin sensitivity regulation, protein sparing) when your body detects that you've gone without food for "x" amount of time.

Even intermittent fasting, which is basically just a day of no eating (you can chug coconut oil though; idea being not to spike insulin levels and disrupt ketosis), has been studied with impressive results (I'm not going to post links; open Google scholar and do your own homework).

On the experiential level, fasting (and the state of ketosis, which is related but not the same thing) actually feels really good.

You can even consume endogenous ketones which, without doing fuck all else, have promising health effects.

# Experientially #

You can hold your breath longer (try it), your lifts are strong, plenty of endurance, plenty of energy, and your mind is sharp as a tack.

It only really gets hard not to eat on the second and third day, and once you're past that you're not even hungry anymore.

If hunger is the body's mechanism to signal food consumption, and the signal is ignored, and then disappears after a time, what does that tell you?

If, to draw a parallel, you ignored the need for sleep does the desire to sleep go away? No, it compounds and your body will do anything to get some rest.

Water...same thing. You need water and you can only go so long without it.

Not so with food. Why?

If your working theory is that the body is a very intelligent, very complex piece of evolved machinery, then maybe just maybe, we're MEANT to fast from time to time...

Maybe it's even somehow beneficial!

Fasting is present in all of the major religions. Not that this fact legitimizes it, but rather it points at the possibility of a general truth arrived at through copious experience over thousands of years observed by countless people of different backgrounds in different parts of the world.

I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what the ideal fasting duration is.

I do 1-3 days regularly, not on any set schedule but kind of intuitively.

Going beyond 3 days is impractical but I'd be curious how it affects muscle composition and productivity as the loss of those two things are my major concerns on a 3+ day fast.

Post: #75

(04-06-2018 05:11 AM)Ice Man Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 04:53 AM)Bain Wrote:  I think dry fasts can be quite beneficial

There is no evidence for this whatsoever. There is no benefit to not ingesting fluids.

Guys please do not fuck yourselves up. Broscience is fine when it's harmless like "take cold showers", but not when talking about vital, basic needs.

No one here should be telling guys "dry fasts" are fine or "quite beneficial". I don't care if you supposedly did it for X days, it's retarded, dangerous, with no benefit. If you want to believe shit and advocate for it and kill people via a personal blog then do that, but it shouldn't be spread on a forum where guys are looking for real, factual, healthy advice.

Water fastin yes.

Dry fasting no. You can't live without water, I don't care what anybody says. There's people who have died crossing the U.S. border from dehydration. Telling people you can go many days without water is not only stupid but irresponsible. Trust me I tried dry fasting for 3 days before when I came across a blogger on youtube, on the 4th day I was so fucking thirsty I drank a cup of water in the morning and felt like shit and dizzy as fuck. I went to the emergency room because I almost fainted, and when I was there, the doctor told me that I was dangerously dehydrated and told me what the fuck did I do, and when I told him I was dry fasting he looked at me shaking his head as if he was thinking"you dumb motherfucker". He literally yelled at me and asked me "Why the fuck would you do that, for what?"

I later found out that the blogger on Youtube wasn't actually dry fasting for 5 days or whatever, he was actually only dry fasting for half a day for 5 days. Simple to IF but without water. But he made it seem like he was dry fasting all 5 days.

Fuck that I will never do that again.

Water fasting though is another story. People in Islam and other religions do it all the time. Nothing against water fasting, but dry fasting hell no.