Post: #26

(03-18-2018 08:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  A lot of limiting believes. This was my Tinder after two days in London, top left: https://i.imgur.com/rhgLrve.png

Point is that I'm closer to 5'8 than 5'9, so just slightly taller than you, zero tattoos (physically fit though).

5'8" is not a problem. 5'5" is.

If I remember correctly, HankMoody is not physically fit, not facially attractive, and on the older side. That's not a good profile for online apps.

(03-18-2018 06:20 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  I'm disappointed that I wasted about an hour of my time that could have gone just about anywhere else, or nowhere. I'd of been better off just talking to women in my local watering hole. Or not hitting the pause button to send messages.

You shouldn't be messaging with these women for an hour. I'd say my total time investment per girl from opener to meet is 10-15 minutes. I also do most of it at the gym between sets.

I am physically fit and facially attractive. I'm only 36 and I look young. High level of game, confidence, and charisma. Good career and style.

The short thing isn't really an obstacle when I'm out and about.

Sort of the entire point of my post -- I've found online dating apps to be a waste of time.

Post: #27

And yes, I could have just said 5'7 and worn my construction boots, but I'm sort of at a point of player burnout where even if she bothers to shit test me I'm not wasting my evening.

Just so we're clear, this isn't a rant or "it's so unfair." My points are this -

- Online dating is where women date up, and men date down (good quote)
- It's funny to me that women can be openly shallow, but if I were to do it ("How much do you weigh?" "How many other men have you banged?" "Have you ever had an abortion?"), it's a violation of the Religion of Feminism.
- Online dating seems easy, but it's actually more time consuming than just going to a bar and chatting up women. All the swiping and texting ends up being more of a time sink than results.

If this were a few years ago and I didn't have other plates, I probably would have made the effort to destroy the shit test. It's one that could have been overcome, for sure.

However, I'm at a point where if they want to play these stupid games, it's more their loss than mine.

Post: #28

Waste of time for you? Sure. You're 37. Most top tier talent will of course date within their age range. You might get some niche bites but thats about it. Did you try changing your age to 27 and see if your results improve.

I have a whole week of dates lined up of mostly pretty solid talent that most guys at a night club would at least check out briefly. Much better use of my time then drinking till 3 am to run night game.

Post: #29

I despise this too. And it's the reason I avoid online dating. Here is my breakdown of why it's a problem -- and some possible solutions.

In the old days when people met in person, you could overcome lack of height. If a girl liked you, she'd justify it: "Well, I don't consider you short." That might not make sense to a lot of guys, but I heard those words a lot. Women make guys they like into fictional characters to a degree (we all do this) and will ignore shortcomings in some men. (This is the height version of the woman who claims her illiterate boyfriend is a "genius." We all know women like this.)

Then came the Yahoo Messenger/AOL IM days....the Golden Era for online hookups. As Oscar Wilde once said: "Give a man a mask and he'll tell you the truth." Because we all had handles like "Capreez74," no one knew who we really were so we could be unselfconscious about ourselves. And, it turned out, a lot of women didn't really give a rat's ass about height if you "stimulated" them the right way -- hehe. (A lot of pervy stuff went on with those old Instant Messages, but it must have worked because I know a bunch of marriages that came out of them.)

When we moved into the Facebook/OKCupid era, things changed. You had to state your statistics upfront. For men, this meant putting your exact height in a little box.

But women, on the other hand, did not have to divulge their weight. If they did, most men would have the upper hand.

There is a psychological difference between meeting someone 5'7" and someone telling you they are 5'7." This difference is crucial and it's what kills online dating for a lot of short(er) guys.

The main ways I see around this are SA (because money trumps height) or just going back to meeting people in person. But having had experience with this all my life, I'd recommend shorter guys trying hitting up Jewish women (who often disregard height in favor of intellect), or certain foreign women (it's hard to say which ones, but I've met some from Germany, Russia, and Serbia that found it amusing they were considerably taller than me).

Good luck.

Post: #30

I don't think it is just a height/looks thing tbh. I don't like online game either, and I'm 6'2, very lean/good physique, and have model looks. I did MUCH worse on tinder/bumble etc than I do in real life. I could fuck a lot of 5s/6s if I wanted to. I don't want to.

The thing is, if you have some charm, humour, charisma, and some guts, then you are remarkably rare. Girls can get a lot of attention online, and they can get hit on clumsily by plenty of guys out and about, but it is exceedingly difficult for even very pretty girls to meet guys who can really make an impression. It's never been easier for girls to get lots of attention, but they are as starved as ever of the things they really want. It will always be easier to communicate the fact that you are the man they've dreamed of in person than it is online. I actually think that online game is making it easier to pull in real life.

Post: #31

(03-19-2018 03:53 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  A lot of limiting believes. This was my Tinder after two days in London, top left: https://i.imgur.com/rhgLrve.png

Point is that I'm closer to 5'8 than 5'9, so just slightly taller than you, zero tattoos (physically fit though).

5'8" is not a problem. 5'5" is.

If I remember correctly, HankMoody is not physically fit, not facially attractive, and on the older side. That's not a good profile for online apps.

(03-18-2018 06:20 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  I'm disappointed that I wasted about an hour of my time that could have gone just about anywhere else, or nowhere. I'd of been better off just talking to women in my local watering hole. Or not hitting the pause button to send messages.

You shouldn't be messaging with these women for an hour. I'd say my total time investment per girl from opener to meet is 10-15 minutes. I also do most of it at the gym between sets.

I am physically fit and facially attractive. I'm only 36 and I look young. High level of game, confidence, and charisma. Good career and style.

The short thing isn't really an obstacle when I'm out and about.

Sort of the entire point of my post -- I've found online dating apps to be a waste of time.

The more important question is why were you giving a 38year old single mother off Bumble the time of day? You're a high value guy, a woman in her situation should be grateful to meet someone who's not at the bottom of the sexual market totem pole like she is.

I wouldn't take anything this woman says seriously, including her silly height question. It would be different if she asked you upfront, when you guys first started talking, but the fact that she just now asks it, right before the meetup, strongly suggests she's just getting cold feet about meeting a stranger online, and is just looking for any flimsy excuse to disqualify you.

Post: #32

(03-19-2018 02:45 AM)True Balla Wrote:  I love online dating, I mostly date up lol. I can't pull shit in person. I can really never go out and pull 8's, and 7's are even rare. Online, I get new 7's every week and the occasional 8. I suppose it's just different for everyone.

(03-19-2018 02:58 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 02:45 AM)True Balla Wrote:  I love online dating, I mostly date up lol. I can't pull shit in person. I can really never go out and pull 8's, and 7's are even rare. Online, I get new 7's every week and the occasional 8. I suppose it's just different for everyone.

Absolutely. It all depends on the elements of each guy's SMV. I also do better online than I do in real life. My theory is that I'm jacked, and I don't really show that off in real life, but yet online my first photo can be my abs and that slays.

You guys are spot on. I am not jacked (yet), but I can write, and my writing shines best on the internet, whereas IRL I can't get anything. 80%+ of my lays all come from the internet, without it I would be an incel.
Every man has a strength, you can try to maximize your success in several different fields (nightgame, daygame, online, fitgirls, nerds...) but in the end if one works just fine for you, then I think you should stick to that.

Post: #33

Online is for looks, not personality. I'm 5'7 but i have top 1% physique, updated my tinder pics and got 90 matches in a few days in my tiny college town. Went from fucking one or two girls a semester in college now I'm averaging a new tinder bang every week and half. This is after all the flakes though, like others said find what works for you and optimize it

Post: #34

Have you used websites that rate pictures to make sure you are putting your best foot forward in terms of how you present yourself? For the height question either parry it to a neg question to pass the shit test or just lie and wear boots.

Post: #35

(03-18-2018 07:20 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  Hot, but also has a kid, and is 38. So for me that's two strikes right out of the gate.

My heart will go on...

This bitch is a almost 40 year old single mother.... what is she bringing to the table to start ruling guys out for their height? This chick would have to offer me money and anal from her teenage daughter in order for me to even consider letting her suck my dick.....

Post: #36

(03-19-2018 03:56 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  - It's funny to me that women can be openly shallow, but if I were to do it ("How much do you weigh?" "How many other men have you banged?" "Have you ever had an abortion?"), it's a violation of the Religion of Feminism.

And why can they be openly shallow? Because we let them be.

EVERY guy on these dating apps need to follow up the "how tall are you question" with the "How much do you weigh" question. Why is one ok but the other is not? Because white knights and feminists have made it so. Fuck that.

And not to insult you Hank, but your "is that a deal breaker response" and "ok" answer gave her another validation feather in her cap.

You should have said: "5'5. And I'm glad you asked. How much do you weigh?"

Now the onus is on her. She can either respond how she did in her OG answer (you're too short) but that makes her look butthurt because she thinks she is fat (all women do) or she'll answer your question and then be asking you "is that a problem?" Frame has been flipped.

At the very least, you would have got her to think about her weight and obsessed about it for the night. Perhaps pinching that extra layer of fat on her gut or starving herself for a day.

When a girl asks how tall you are, anything under 6 foot is the wrong answer. Respond accordingly and flip the script on that whore.

Post: #37

In 2018 we have to be intelligent enough to concede defeat.

In my experience, online dating had its golden years from 1998 to around 2013.

There's no point inventing witty comebacks to the "how tall are you" question, pretending we have any power whatsoever.

The top 1% of men on dating apps (jacked, young, pictured with a surfboard) are having some success, and even then it's no picnic for them either.

If this is not you, and there's a good chance it's not, you'll be dating 2-3 points lower in SMV, and getting even one of those girls out on a date means an expenditure of time ploughing through the false positives and dead-ends that is simply counterproductive, and a strain on your mental health.

Dating apps are the sexual marketplace on steroids.

Post: #38

The higher value girls on these sites are jaded beyond belief. I joined a site which was mainly for Western men and non-Western women. I got lots of messages and after a while I was jaded because a lot of the conversations go nowhere and I became use to all the pretty decent -10 year female attention. *fluff* If you want to get these girls attention, you need to jolt them out of that and I think that'd require two things:

1) looks
2) excitement

Last year I was in the pub talking to this guy who has the gift of gab. He can hit it off with anyone; not particularly good looking, but he doesn't make any effort. This girl came in and I instantly recognised her as she has been on POF solidly for nearly 5 years. He has no inhibition and went over to her and instantly asked why she hadn't replied to his message on POF. She went on to detail how she'd only been on three dates from the site because she's waiting for Mr. Right and that one of the dates had flown over from America just to meet her. She's a nursery teacher with a thick figure that's probably going to go to fat as soon as she gets a ring on her finger. She's pretty, I would say an 8.5 and with very large, firm, natural boobs. At 29 that buys her a ripped guy who runs the local gym or a soy boy on $80K / year. But because she has had 5,000 messages on POF she's got the idea that she's going to tick every box of her perfect man specification.

There's also another girl from the next town over. She got herself into killer shape - slinky Russian style for her photos. Now she's married, but she still has her POF profile with the old photos even though she's slightly chubby now. She's on the site all the time. I suspect it's just validation.

Post: #39

If you actually have Game then you will do better (get flyer chicks more regularly with less work) in person in real life than you can ever get on an app.

The issue is most guys don't have Game to actually go out and pull regularly because they spend too much time on apps.

Then when they go out they complain because they are herbs in real life and get shot down by the girls that message them back (but never would go out with dude).

It is the Catch 22.

It's funny seeing guys come to this realization and to see other guys still messing around with apps trying to justify all the wasted time and effort.

Post: #40

(03-19-2018 08:30 AM)KeepMovingForward Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:53 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  A lot of limiting believes. This was my Tinder after two days in London, top left: https://i.imgur.com/rhgLrve.png

Point is that I'm closer to 5'8 than 5'9, so just slightly taller than you, zero tattoos (physically fit though).

5'8" is not a problem. 5'5" is.

If I remember correctly, HankMoody is not physically fit, not facially attractive, and on the older side. That's not a good profile for online apps.

(03-18-2018 06:20 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  I'm disappointed that I wasted about an hour of my time that could have gone just about anywhere else, or nowhere. I'd of been better off just talking to women in my local watering hole. Or not hitting the pause button to send messages.

You shouldn't be messaging with these women for an hour. I'd say my total time investment per girl from opener to meet is 10-15 minutes. I also do most of it at the gym between sets.

I am physically fit and facially attractive. I'm only 36 and I look young. High level of game, confidence, and charisma. Good career and style.

The short thing isn't really an obstacle when I'm out and about.

Sort of the entire point of my post -- I've found online dating apps to be a waste of time.

The more important question is why were you giving a 38year old single mother off Bumble the time of day? You're a high value guy, a woman in her situation should be grateful to meet someone who's not at the bottom of the sexual market totem pole like she is.

I wouldn't take anything this woman says seriously, including her silly height question. It would be different if she asked you upfront, when you guys first started talking, but the fact that she just now asks it, right before the meetup, strongly suggests she's just getting cold feet about meeting a stranger online, and is just looking for any flimsy excuse to disqualify you.

That's why I didn't actually give her the time of day. I'm not going to dodge a shit test for someone like that.

I'm sure she'll find her "Mr. Big" - an alpha who is 6'2, makes $500k a year, and desires nothing but a washed up "fun" 38 year old with a kid to wife up.

Just like Sex in the City.

Post: #41

(03-19-2018 09:40 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 03:56 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  - It's funny to me that women can be openly shallow, but if I were to do it ("How much do you weigh?" "How many other men have you banged?" "Have you ever had an abortion?"), it's a violation of the Religion of Feminism.

And why can they be openly shallow? Because we let them be.

EVERY guy on these dating apps need to follow up the "how tall are you question" with the "How much do you weigh" question. Why is one ok but the other is not? Because white knights and feminists have made it so. Fuck that.

And not to insult you Hank, but your "is that a deal breaker response" and "ok" answer gave her another validation feather in her cap.

You should have said: "5'5. And I'm glad you asked. How much do you weigh?"

Now the onus is on her. She can either respond how she did in her OG answer (you're too short) but that makes her look butthurt because she thinks she is fat (all women do) or she'll answer your question and then be asking you "is that a problem?" Frame has been flipped.

At the very least, you would have got her to think about her weight and obsessed about it for the night. Perhaps pinching that extra layer of fat on her gut or starving herself for a day.

When a girl asks how tall you are, anything under 6 foot is the wrong answer. Respond accordingly and flip the script on that whore.

I agree in theory but it's just too much work.

I'd rather just end the interaction.

Maybe I've gotten old.

Good post, BTW.

Post: #42

(03-19-2018 09:40 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  And why can they be openly shallow? Because we let them be.

Women can be as shallow as they like. But in an ideal world they would not swipe right and enter into a chat unless you've already passed their initial vital-statistics filters. That's sort of the unwritten social-contract so as not to waste a guy's time.

The second you do enter into a chat, a guy is naturally going to assume some minimum level of interest on her part. This is where things have deteriorated in the last couple years. There's a widening series of hurdles between getting the initial connection-point and even getting to meet her face-to-face, let alone getting the bang. I've written in the past about falling into text-messaging purgatory even after scoring telephone numbers.

It's the paradox of choice writ large.

As long as women keep keep getting hit up with more and more options, it's harder for them to switch from window-shopping mode to getting-to-know-you mode. The two are at odds. She can't give a lot of time to one guy and shop around for another guy at the same time. The end result is a bunch of false-starts like this. Even if she were not turned off by his height it's no guarantee she would not have ghosted in favor of the novelty of the new. And odds are she was probably messaging someone else and ghosted that guy before him.

In the same way we are glued to Facebook waiting for the next thing to scroll through the feed, that's how it is with women receiving right-swipes. The excitement is not about the dating as much as it's the constant validation stream.

Post: #43

Online dating sucks yes, I wrote something about it too... but bro I think you have a great problem with your height. I mean, in every post of yours you're complaining about it.
You have your game style and it seems it works, so why so negative?

Post: #44

(03-18-2018 07:12 PM)The Wire Wrote:  IMO if you're going to give your height then I wouldn't add in "that a dealbreaker?". You just volunteered the idea that your height is low value before she said it. Not that you could have salvaged this either way since she probably had her mind made up but if the situation is going to go south i'd rather retain my frame that she's a social retard for asking me my height.

The is a good example of an instance where I wish I could enter in 5 'likes' for one post.

Post: #45

The moral of this thread, for me, is play to your strengths.

Us guys who have been applying game (or being aware of it) know that vibe is 90% of the attraction. Not what you say, how you say it, the confidence you project and a myriad of things which are lost over text.

The difference is that online, every guy starts off with a chance. They have 'lives' like a video game. In real life, that is not the case.

You will go speak to the HB8 but the other guys won't, they won't have the confidence. You will project your vibe and sweep them off their feet, the other guys can't.

Online, girls are looking for reasons to reject the guys. They cast their net and discard the ones who don't meet the 'paper attractive' metrics.

Real life ain't that way. Your witty opener, charming smile, sexy voice and all other non-verbals give girls reasons to want to go home with you.

Online, girls are categorizing because so many more men are hitting them up.

Real life, they ain't going to categorize because they are sucked into the moment of what you are going off on. They will be cheeky and shit test you but that's because they want you to walk the talk you talk. If they ain't into you, you won't even get to that point.

Height or not, it doesn't matter. Hank discusses it because I suspect he writes it for the guys who feel hindered by it. He may be hindered by it too, so what. No one is perfect. We all have our kryptonite. It could very well be that he decided, with that being a concern for her, that he isn't interested. (surprise: you can be turned off by things like this and actively screen)

He's also older so time is valuable to him. The sheer % conversion of tinder vs. real life is waaaaay lower. I used to get numbers on the reg and purposely not phone girls when I was in a relationship, not looking for girls. I can only imagine when single and combining that aloof mentality.

You can't be aloof on tinder. Cocky funny is at the behest of their understanding. It severely limits you to the point that it really is just a marketplace for thirsty guys and egotistical girls.

I used tinder back in 2013 and of the 16 or so dates I went on, only 2 were quality girls who I didn't want to shit a rocket out of my arse and fly away.

Ironically, one of them who was bisexual is now married to a woman (she was an 8 who married a butch 6) and the other works for hooters and won one of their national whore comps now. She is still 22 and a good girl but went down the wrong path.

I trust my real life spidey sense to know to exit a set early if I can tell a girl is strange. Tinder, not so much.

Ironically, I was discussing tinder with my colleague who is very red pill. To quote him "all the sluts we know are harvesting dick on tinder".

Nothing wrong with that but it ain't what everyone wants.

And yes, I only covered tinder because I don't fuck with POF or whatever else is on right now.

And in game terms, Hank didn't even qualify himself, he just cut to the chase by screening himself. Am I wasting my time or not? It's the rules of the online game and it's inevitable.

If you hide that shit, you're still operating within her frame and 'hoping' you get past her height defense systems. This ain't Oceans Eleven. You're still at a handicap because it's a fact and you can't hide it.

Fundamentally, you can't control what girls are attracted to online so if you ain't on that vibe then why not play to your strengths.

I do acknowledge the passive merits of Tinder but I personally meet so many hotties in real life (who aren't even on Tinder) that I don't waste time.

Play to your strengths and save that time boys.

Post: #46

(03-19-2018 03:56 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  And yes, I could have just said 5'7 and worn my construction boots, but I'm sort of at a point of player burnout where even if she bothers to shit test me I'm not wasting my evening.

Just so we're clear, this isn't a rant or "it's so unfair." My points are this -

- Online dating is where women date up, and men date down (good quote)
- It's funny to me that women can be openly shallow, but if I were to do it ("How much do you weigh?" "How many other men have you banged?" "Have you ever had an abortion?"), it's a violation of the Religion of Feminism.
- Online dating seems easy, but it's actually more time consuming than just going to a bar and chatting up women. All the swiping and texting ends up being more of a time sink than results.

Ground rules for giving your height is to show up as advertise. So if you have footwear that adds 2" then you can get away with it usually(majority of even thick boots only give you 1.5" if you actually measure it so it's easy to overestimate this). An example where guy's get in trouble with this is for example a 5'7" guy telling a girl who is 5'8" that he's 5'10". So the 5'7" guy puts on regular shoes and shows up at 5'8". The 5'8" girl puts on 4" heels showing up around 6ft. Thats when you get called out and it's ridiculous(the example i gave was an actual story I read on a forum).


There's nothing you can do on the double standard. There is no comeback with asking them their weight or bra size.The only options I know of are either to own the height and if she says something along the lines that she's taller with heels then respond "good, i like taller girls, wear your highest heels when we go out". What ever you do frame it that it's completely irrelevant what she prefers and reframe it to what you like.

Post: #47

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  I also don't see much of a point in blaming online dating in particular, since it's usually the same dull girls online as you see in the nightclubs/bars. Most girls in the nightclub venues will be on Tinder and Instagram and be all into this superficial world either way nowadays. Not much of a difference.

There is a big difference: you're not behind a screen.
Even though the OP might not be a super tall Chad he can still use his game and charm to get some attraction going.
Logic dictates that no truly high value attractive woman needs to meet strangers online to find a boyfriend or get banged.
Think about it: she is being hit on by dudes everywhere, from the guy selling her coffee in the morning to the bros at the gym in the evening. At any moment in her life she has a choice between a dozen guys who are real and she knows well.

Post: #48

There is another big problem which everyone here seems to turn a blind eye to. Privacy and data protection.

Tinder’s privacy policy (from 2017) clearly states: “you should not expect that your personal information, chats, or other communications will always remain secure”. As a few minutes with a perfectly clear tutorial on GitHub called Tinder Scraper that can “collect information on users in order to draw insights that may serve the public.”

Tinder is owned by Match Group which in turn is owned by IAC. You have no idea who harvests, aggregates, sells and buys your data, which services it is linked to, what services you are targeted with and how extensive and by whom your personal profile of your desires, likes, dislikes, preferences, and secrets are held on you and by whom and what they can or will be used for (and don't forget that to authorise Tinder access you provided them with your phone number, Instagram and Facebook account too).

Ouch.

Post: #49

(03-19-2018 03:53 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  A lot of limiting believes. This was my Tinder after two days in London, top left: https://i.imgur.com/rhgLrve.png

Point is that I'm closer to 5'8 than 5'9, so just slightly taller than you, zero tattoos (physically fit though).

5'8" is not a problem. 5'5" is.

If I remember correctly, HankMoody is not physically fit, not facially attractive, and on the older side. That's not a good profile for online apps.

(03-18-2018 06:20 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  I'm disappointed that I wasted about an hour of my time that could have gone just about anywhere else, or nowhere. I'd of been better off just talking to women in my local watering hole. Or not hitting the pause button to send messages.

You shouldn't be messaging with these women for an hour. I'd say my total time investment per girl from opener to meet is 10-15 minutes. I also do most of it at the gym between sets.

I am physically fit and facially attractive. I'm only 36 and I look young. High level of game, confidence, and charisma. Good career and style.

The short thing isn't really an obstacle when I'm out and about.

Sort of the entire point of my post -- I've found online dating apps to be a waste of time.

Are you facially attractive or just slightly above average? If you are truly attractive facially and are 36 you should be doing fine. I know a 36 year old guy in Chicago that slays milfs and 18-22 year old girls just from Tinder and Bumble. Doesn't even take them out, just invites them over. The caveat is that he's 6'5", but I still think he's do OK at 5'5" with short girls.

Post: #50

(03-19-2018 08:15 PM)Pointer Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:23 PM)dosequis Wrote:  I also don't see much of a point in blaming online dating in particular, since it's usually the same dull girls online as you see in the nightclubs/bars. Most girls in the nightclub venues will be on Tinder and Instagram and be all into this superficial world either way nowadays. Not much of a difference.

There is a big difference: you're not behind a screen.
Even though the OP might not be a super tall Chad he can still use his game and charm to get some attraction going.
Logic dictates that no truly high value attractive woman needs to meet strangers online to find a boyfriend or get banged.
Think about it: she is being hit on by dudes everywhere, from the guy selling her coffee in the morning to the bros at the gym in the evening. At any moment in her life she has a choice between a dozen guys who are real and she knows well.

Dupe post (see next one)