Post: #51

(03-13-2018 11:47 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:37 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  The problem with atheists is their atheism is their religion and they will jump (or twitch) at any chance to proselytize. Smart guy no doubt, but I thought it really odd when he did those jaguar ads a year ago.

Right now he’s rolling up to the pearly gates in his wheel chair, it’s surrounded by clouds, he’s like “ho. Lee. Fuck. I. Was. Wrong”. The clouds part, and there’s a big ass flight of stairs leading to the pearly gates. “Fuck!”

Too soon?

H/t Hypno /thread-54382...pid1751647

Post: #52

He was more than just a sexist.

He was one of the frequent visitors aboard the Lolita Express to Epstein's underage hooker orgy island, along with Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, and Prince Andrew.

Post: #53

All I know is a few years back I felt real silly trying to convince a native French speaker that it was math instead of maths, she insisted she learned it as maths. Hearing maths still grinds my gears, it feels wrong with every bone in my body.

Post: #54

At some point in my life, I thought the guy was a fraud. Then I realized he is paralyzed in a wheel chair. He doesn't have much of a choice.

This scientist has contributed pretty much nothing to physics. His big theory about blackhole radiations is still, well, a theory. He has nothing to show for it too. Look at how much Einstein has contributed to physics throughout his career. The amount, quality and practicality is breathtaking.

Hawking, however, resonates with the public. Most of the real scientists can't write a book. When they do, it is a bunch of gibberish that pretty much none of their students can understand. The public probably won't touch these math equations.

Hawking wrote a few things about time and universe. None of which are new or his discoveries. But the language was easy, his condition was special and his voice sound futuristic.

He could sell. Something most real world scientists can't and won't do.

I remember when I first read a "brief history of time". The introduction was very enticing "What is time?". The book was written in smooth language. I enjoyed reading it but once I finished "well, that's it, it was nice but it was a waste of time".

I'm no physician, or scientist but I don't think any of Hawking work will stand the test of time. He was definitively smart. A fierce atheist. Something that I respect being a fierce atheist myself. But let's get real: I need some really proven research/theories before I give the guy credit for science work. Media/Fame status? Well, he did pretty good in that department.

Post: #55

God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum. Hawking advanced science significantly within his field. What have you achieved in your life? Nothing.

Post: #56

^I also sense a "too cool for school" vibe. The guy contributed a lot considering his health situation and his writing was well done and made people think. His climate change position wasn't radical or over the top like most SCIENCE! types. IMO he was a major asset to the physics community. Perhaps he was no Einstein, but who the fuck is?

Post: #57

Wonder if big bang theory will make an episode out of this?

Post: #58

(03-15-2018 01:23 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  I'm no physician, or scientist but I don't think any of Hawking work will stand the test of time.

Physician:



Physicist:

Post: #59

Friend of Jeffrey Epstein
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science...f-Sin.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people...74955.html

Neither of these are definitive, possible hit pieces/libel, digging deeper later.

Post: #60

(03-15-2018 04:16 PM)Teedub Wrote:  God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum. Hawking advanced science significantly within his field. What have you achieved in your life? Nothing.

Nope, that's not my point. My point is he got lots of credit/fame comparing to other scientists who contributed a lot more. The reason for that is because of the media which wanted to capitalize on his condition to attract more viewers. His story can sell.

You said he advanced science significantly. May I ask you to point a few of his achievements?

Post: #61

(03-15-2018 05:17 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 01:23 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  I'm no physician, or scientist but I don't think any of Hawking work will stand the test of time.

Physician:



Physicist:

Got me there.

Post: #62

(03-15-2018 04:16 PM)Teedub Wrote:  God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum.

Sorry about my low quality posts.

I'll try to improve.

Post: #63

Is there anything that we can't turn into an argument on this forum?

Post: #64

(03-15-2018 04:50 PM)RIslander Wrote:  ...Perhaps he was no Einstein, but who the fuck is?

I can think of at least one person.

Post: #65

(03-15-2018 06:47 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 04:50 PM)RIslander Wrote:  ...Perhaps he was no Einstein, but who the fuck is?

I can think of at least one person.

Trump?

Post: #66

(03-15-2018 06:30 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 04:16 PM)Teedub Wrote:  God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum. Hawking advanced science significantly within his field. What have you achieved in your life? Nothing.

Nope, that's not my point. My point is he got lots of credit/fame comparing to other scientists who contributed a lot more. The reason for that is because of the media which wanted to capitalize on his condition to attract more viewers. His story can sell.

You said he advanced science significantly. May I ask you to point a few of his achievements?

During his life, he was periodically featured in the media to say some "smart person things" and I didn't pay much attention.

So once he died, I took the opportunity to look into what he actually achieved...and there's not much there. It appears his only notable work was expanding upon the existing singularity theorem in the 1970's.

I can't help but be suspicious, but I don't care enough to delve any deeper. What he said or thought was irrelevant to me in life, and it will remain so in death.

Post: #67

Hawking was a respectable man. He was a good scientist, and a great popularizer of science. His concept of model-dependent realism helped me articulate my view.
True, a lot of other scientists have more contributions and deserve respect. In term of technical excellence, if Einstein is 9.5/10, then Hawking is only 7.5/10. But Hawking is uniquely inspiring, because of how much he achieved compared to other disabled people. True, he wouldn't have been as famous and glorified had he not been paralized. But the fact is, he was paralized, and still managed to accomplish what he did -- and that's admirable, and what we should appreciate him for. Many other scientists, who have had more contributions than Hawking, wouldn't have accomplished as much had they been paralized.

In sum, we should be precise in our appreciation: not overglorifying him, but nonetheless admiring his inspiring determination to overcome overwhelming odds to contribute to science.

Post: #68

Was Stephen hawking popular before he got the disease and had to talk through a computer?

If not how can you trust that he is the actual smart guy? There could be a team of smart guys in the background typing up what he's supposed to say real quick.

I feel the same about Helen Keller. Bitch was a walking vegetable. There's no way in hell she could only communicate, and so damn profoundly, with only one other human.

This could be all smoke and mirrorsor governmen mind tricks.

Aloha!

Post: #69

(03-15-2018 07:59 PM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  Hawking was a respectable man. He was a good scientist, and a great popularizer of science. His concept of model-dependent realism helped me articulate my view.
True, a lot of other scientists have more contributions and deserve respect. In term of technical excellence, if Einstein is 9.5/10, then Hawking is only 7.5/10. But Hawking is uniquely inspiring, because of how much he achieved compared to other disabled people. True, he wouldn't have been as famous and glorified had he not been paralized. But the fact is, he was paralized, and still managed to accomplish what he did -- and that's admirable, and what we should appreciate him for. Many other scientists, who have had more contributions than Hawking, wouldn't have accomplished as much had they been paralized.

In sum, we should be precise in our appreciation: not overglorifying him, but nonetheless admiring his inspiring determination to overcome overwhelming odds to contribute to science.

Actually by his own admission - if he had not been paralized, then he said that he would have likely pissed away his gift of intelligence. Before he got the diagnosis he said that he barely studied and went through university often drunk and bored.

But the truth of the matter is that his condition was extremely limiting and on a multitude of levels. Some of them men he worked with were on the same or superior intellectual level, but without the crippling disease. He would be utterly unknown were it not for his disease. The media loves those kind of stories and build up certain characters if they can profit from it.

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Post: #71

Mein Gott, even if I tried I could not construct a more meaningless and less relevant sentence than that!

*khm khm* *khm* Let me try:

To all the children who killed the 2003 Indonesia earthquake, I am proud to invite you to a Salsa festival in Deutschany!

Post: #72

Post: #73

(03-15-2018 06:30 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 04:16 PM)Teedub Wrote:  God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum. Hawking advanced science significantly within his field. What have you achieved in your life? Nothing.

Nope, that's not my point. My point is he got lots of credit/fame comparing to other scientists who contributed a lot more. The reason for that is because of the media which wanted to capitalize on his condition to attract more viewers. His story can sell.

You said he advanced science significantly. May I ask you to point a few of his achievements?

There's a few here, if you're genuinely interested: http://time.com/5201371/stephen-hawking-...-obituary/

Like others have noted, his work on black holes is his main achievement, particularly his discovery of what ended up being known as 'Hawking Radiation'. But yes, his main achievement was probably as a populariser of science. He's the person most primarily responsible for us knowing what black holes even are, as general members of the public.

Post: #74

(03-16-2018 04:03 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Like others have noted, his work on black holes is his main achievement, particularly his discovery of what ended up being known as 'Hawking Radiation'. But yes, his main achievement was probably as a populariser of science. He's the person most primarily responsible for us knowing what black holes even are, as general members of the public.

No human has ever been in or near a black hole.
No human is going to one anytime soon.
No way to verify if he is a genius or total fraud.
Way too convenient.

Post: #75

(03-16-2018 04:03 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:30 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 04:16 PM)Teedub Wrote:  God I can't stand low post, low rep members making 'edgy' comments trying to appeal to certain 'I'm too cool for school'/pessimistic sections of the forum. Hawking advanced science significantly within his field. What have you achieved in your life? Nothing.

Nope, that's not my point. My point is he got lots of credit/fame comparing to other scientists who contributed a lot more. The reason for that is because of the media which wanted to capitalize on his condition to attract more viewers. His story can sell.

You said he advanced science significantly. May I ask you to point a few of his achievements?

There's a few here, if you're genuinely interested: http://time.com/5201371/stephen-hawking-...-obituary/

Like others have noted, his work on black holes is his main achievement, particularly his discovery of what ended up being known as 'Hawking Radiation'. But yes, his main achievement was probably as a populariser of science. He's the person most primarily responsible for us knowing what black holes even are, as general members of the public.

The public only had black holes put in multiple movies long before that - and frankly it still knows about as much as is being said in movies:





Besides - it's taught in school anyway.