Post: #126

There are guys on here who are way better at game advice than I am, so I am just going to speak to what I know.

Being a male virgin at 20, or 22, or 25 is not as uncommon as people think. You are talking about 5-11% of the male population. And, quite frankly, I have always felt those numbers might be an under-representation. So, get it out of your mind that you are the only guy(s) in your situation.

As to the who you should lose it to, that depends on what you want. A lot of inexperienced guys just want a girlfriend. Fair enough. If that's the case, I will double-down on a previous poster that you should NOT be aiming for experienced girls. In your situation, I would take a nice, inexperienced 6 over a slutty 8. That is, if you are looking for some sort of relationship experience. Ideally, you would find a fellow virgin. I have only met a few girls in my life who like the idea of sleeping with a virgin guy (and those girls were crazy as shit). But, most virgin girls I have spoken to don't totally discount the idea of a mutual "deflowering".

But, again, no relationships with experienced girls. I assume, since you are on RVF and from what you have said, that you have some RP knowledge. I see no need to RP you in hard mode by having you get screwed over by some girl that is (for now) out of your sexual league, so to speak.

Finally, as to the guy who has the sure thing lined up - would this be a one and done? And, if so, would that be much different (to you) from, say, hiring a pro? If that's the case, I would consider your possible response to that. It isn't spoken about enough on the forum, but guys absolutely can have deep emotional responses to sex (specifically the first time). I know ... ! But, I have spoken to a lot (and I mean A LOT) of guys who felt that their first time had a lasting effect on how they approached sex. It's more important to women, to be sure. But, I don't think it should be discounted for guys.

Post: #127

I guess it's a good time for an update, because on this thread I said I was committed to improving my life and my game. So I owe everyone an explanation for everything that's happened since I left the US for the second time, and ya'll can judge for yourselves if I've made any progress since leaving the US.

I left the US in mid-april and arrived in Bulgaria, to game I thought, but I was hammered by the time I got off the plane, having traveled 3+ days. I don't know how I found my way to my apartment, and I was waiting on my friends to arrive. I was so nervous about coming back over here I was a nervous wreck. I didn't get to game any in Bulgaria I was so wrecked.

Thankfully, I made it back into Serbia, but just barely. I felt a lot of pressure with women and with the imminent Project Belgrade. I had told my friends in Bulgaria my issue with girls, and they said the only way to cure it was to approach and start working out. I basically discarded their advise at the time.

At the time I was unwilling to confront my problems. Finally one night I got really drunk and told my friend he had to help me do my first "real" approach so I did it. Couple days later, I decided to start a bit of day and night game, but not much at all.

I started to indirectly game girls at work, which I thought I would be good at, but I don't think I was projecting enough interest.

I came to the realization a few weeks later that I would have to make gaming a conscious goal everyday. I started gaming sober, both night and daygame. I gamed all over the city, in parks, pedestrian malls, universities, social circle everything.

I finally started to manage five approaches a day. I started updating my thread every day, and trying to keep track of my progress. I found a Serbian wing. And then I started to find good locations to game where no one really is gaming. I started to relax, and commited the DeCarlo Escalation ladder to memory. Finally, I got more confident and not to give a fuck.

I want to touch on the forum members I met. The first meetup I was shaking not knowing if it was gonna go well or not. I found a few venues that are good for gaming that I would have never noticed. I met more forum members, both living here, and from abroad, and I started to write down their advise. I gamed together with a lot of these guys. I noticed that directness is good, but that you need to be relaxed and confident. I don't give a fuck anymore. I also found a lot of forum members I met had never met other forum members before. So I met a lot of guys who were really cool, but don't have much of a presence on the forum. So, I recommend meeting guys like this, sometimes I felt like I was stealing their time because they gave me so much helpful free advise.

So fast forward to this past week. Went on a date this week with a smoking hot chick, have done several instadates, gotten 5+ numbers (daygame is frankly horrible for yielding numbers, leads, but I'll take it). I'm setting up another date with the girl right now.

Also, I finally went to the store and bought condoms for the first time. One of those things were again I was nervous, but it had to be done. Now I carry one around at all times in my wallet. I'm serious about loosing my virginity finally. Talked to around 200 women in past 20 or so days. Feels like a start.

Post: #128

You will find one to lose your virginity to eventually.

To get this over with: Go to a nightclub not earlier then 3 hours before closing time (2 is better). Walk up to girls in groups of 2-3. Greet them and try to make them talk, about what doesn’t matter. Aim to pull the one who’s most into you.

Besides the pull, your side mission is to.come off as relaxed as possible. Show a smile. Move calmer then the rest. Speak seldom and if you do speak slower then the person in front of you.

Post: #129

(06-18-2018 04:35 PM)asdfk Wrote:  You will find one to lose your virginity to eventually.

To get this over with: Go to a nightclub not earlier then 3 hours before closing time (2 is better). Walk up to girls in groups of 2-3. Greet them and try to make them talk, about what doesn’t matter. Aim to pull the one who’s most into you.

Besides the pull, your side mission is to.come off as relaxed as possible. Show a smile. Move calmer then the rest. Speak seldom and if you do speak slower then the person in front of you.

Thank you for the advise man. I will try that this week.

Post: #130

(06-18-2018 03:29 PM)Dragan Wrote:  I guess it's a good time for an update, because on this thread I said I was committed to improving my life and my game. So I owe everyone an explanation for everything that's happened since I left the US for the second time, and ya'll can judge for yourselves if I've made any progress since leaving the US.

I left the US in mid-april and arrived in Bulgaria, to game I thought, but I was hammered by the time I got off the plane, having traveled 3+ days. I don't know how I found my way to my apartment, and I was waiting on my friends to arrive. I was so nervous about coming back over here I was a nervous wreck. I didn't get to game any in Bulgaria I was so wrecked.

Thankfully, I made it back into Serbia, but just barely. I felt a lot of pressure with women and with the imminent Project Belgrade. I had told my friends in Bulgaria my issue with girls, and they said the only way to cure it was to approach and start working out. I basically discarded their advise at the time.

At the time I was unwilling to confront my problems. Finally one night I got really drunk and told my friend he had to help me do my first "real" approach so I did it. Couple days later, I decided to start a bit of day and night game, but not much at all.

I started to indirectly game girls at work, which I thought I would be good at, but I don't think I was projecting enough interest.

I came to the realization a few weeks later that I would have to make gaming a conscious goal everyday. I started gaming sober, both night and daygame. I gamed all over the city, in parks, pedestrian malls, universities, social circle everything.

I finally started to manage five approaches a day. I started updating my thread every day, and trying to keep track of my progress. I found a Serbian wing. And then I started to find good locations to game where no one really is gaming. I started to relax, and commited the DeCarlo Escalation ladder to memory. Finally, I got more confident and not to give a fuck.

I want to touch on the forum members I met. The first meetup I was shaking not knowing if it was gonna go well or not. I found a few venues that are good for gaming that I would have never noticed. I met more forum members, both living here, and from abroad, and I started to write down their advise. I gamed together with a lot of these guys. I noticed that directness is good, but that you need to be relaxed and confident. I don't give a fuck anymore. I also found a lot of forum members I met had never met other forum members before. So I met a lot of guys who were really cool, but don't have much of a presence on the forum. So, I recommend meeting guys like this, sometimes I felt like I was stealing their time because they gave me so much helpful free advise.

So fast forward to this past week. Went on a date this week with a smoking hot chick, have done several instadates, gotten 5+ numbers (daygame is frankly horrible for yielding numbers, leads, but I'll take it). I'm setting up another date with the girl right now.

Also, I finally went to the store and bought condoms for the first time. One of those things were again I was nervous, but it had to be done. Now I carry one around at all times in my wallet. I'm serious about loosing my virginity finally. Talked to around 200 women in past 20 or so days. Feels like a start.

It's important to keep yourself honest but also recognize progress and be mindful of your path!
Always look forward...go get that pussy bro!

Post: #131

I've gotta commend Dragan on this one.

The unfortunate reality is that the pick-up/seduction community is littered with guys who talk a big game, who, in reality, actually suck with women. Some are virgins. Some have had very limited experience. Some can't even approach a woman (have never approached a women).

There are Dragans on this very forum. At least the dude came clean.

I'm not judging these men or saying they're lesser human beings. I'm just warning people to tread lightly with anonymous posters on anonymous forums.

It's very easy for someone in a bad place to portray himself on an anonymous forum as a 6'3 multimillionaire with a 12 inch dong, a lay count of 500, a day job working for Google, who spends his free time rescuing the elderly from burning fires.

However, it's not always what it seems.