Post: #51

My input, some random thoughts without any serious structure:

Though I lost my virginity at 18 (and felt like a late bloomer for doing so) I didn't really get active with more than a handful of girls until my late 20s. So I can sort of relate to feeling like an embryo or undeveloped man.

One major change was exercise and lifting heavy (or heavy for me I should say). Over the course of a couple years I went from 165 to 205, but the real change happened in my head/hormones.

I guarantee you at some point in your life, at least one girl has liked you enough to bang you, as weird as you may be. You failed to make it happen. There are plenty of resources out there on how to get from A to Z when it comes to sex. If you really want to get laid, you will follow that diagram.

There are times when even seasoned players can't get laid. It's called a dry spell, and it happens to everyone. But much like a real drought, you have to have faith that the skies will rain aplenty and pussy will once again spring from the good Earth. Having blind faith shouldn't be a problem for a man of your background.

Seasoned players also get nervous, just in varying degrees. There are all kinds of mental anxieties and hangups that can affect you. I recently wrote about a threesome I just had. What I didn't write about was the insane anxiety and bundle of nerves in my gut leading up to the threesome. The best antidote to this is humor and reminding yourself that we're really on this planet a short amount of time. Go through life with a good humored nature and lightheartedness about things. Once I got in the room with a couple exposed pussies I stripped down and we all started laughing and had a blast.

Don't worry about performing. It's the girls job to make you hard and to make you cum. Tell her what you like or what you think you would like. Know how to pleasure yourself first and then have a girl do that for you. They like taking direction. Nothing that you like will be too weird for most girls. It's 2018.

In all honestly, I know at least several girls that I could tell, "Hey I know this dude that's a 25 year old virgin, do me a favor and bust his cherry" and they'd laugh and do it. Not all girls, but many girls out there will fuck you as casually as a handshake, and would get a kick out of taking your virginity. Read up on "Don't Fuck it Up" game.

Post: #52

Dragan I'm sure there a several reputable members that live not too far away from you in the states that know a slut who will want to fuck you.

Get this over with soon so you can move on with your life.

Post: #53

(03-09-2018 08:01 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  If you want to lose your virginity I bet you could go on a dating app or even craigslist and basically say "I'm a 25 year old (or whatever) virgin and I want to have sex tonight" I bet you would have tons of chicks wanting to fuck, they would get off on it.

Even go on craigslist, post a picture of your dick and say your a virgin and you want sex, go meet the slut at a hotel.

You can lose your virginity tonight, then you won't have anxiety in the future when you are ready to bang out a chick you actually like.

Does this work?

Asking for a friend who's down to lose his virginity every night.

Post: #54

(03-09-2018 10:53 PM)hedonist Wrote:  There are rumors Tesla died a virgin and I think its pretty safe to say he had a bigger impact on humanity than 99% of the manwhores out there.

I'd rather have a big impact on at least one tight, young pussy than Tesla's impact on humanity.

To add insult to injury, the man's dead and with all his accomplishments, apparently some people are still talking about his lack of a notch count.

Post: #55

(03-09-2018 11:24 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  In the sense of putting it out there on Craigslist or something, this day and age, you could probably do an online auction and make a mint!

Only if you're auctioning off your anal virginity.

I don't think that's the virginity the OP's distressed about not having lost yet, Dulceacido.

Post: #56

Worth a shot.

Post: #57

Late bloomer here. Even though I'm not super religious, it definitely contributed to me being a virgin. At the same time, I really didn't mind being one at all. Sex is cool and all, but what I really wanted and still do is to be more in control of my emotions and fears when interacting with women.

I always thought having sex was the beginning of the end though. As a result, in the back of my head, I think I feared so heavily that I would have sex that I would always blow my chances when sex was even slightly possible. However, as I started to get more physically comfortable around the woman I met, sex became a natural progression.

I guess I'd say my advice is to temper your expectations and just let stuff happen organically. Also, for the love of God, do some research on birth control and condoms beforehand. After a couple scares, I went to Google and learned a ton about the limits of birth control and weird stuff that can happen if you use the wrong size/type of condom.

Post: #58

(03-13-2018 01:28 AM)rapaz12 Wrote:  Late bloomer here. Even though I'm not super religious, it definitely contributed to me being a virgin. At the same time, I really didn't mind being one at all. Sex is cool and all, but what I really wanted and still do is to be more in control of my emotions and fears when interacting with women.

I always thought having sex was the beginning of the end though. As a result, in the back of my head, I think I feared so heavily that I would have sex that I would always blow my chances when sex was even slightly possible. However, as I started to get more physically comfortable around the woman I met, sex became a natural progression.

I guess I'd say my advice is to temper your expectations and just let stuff happen organically. Also, for the love of God, do some research on birth control and condoms beforehand. After a couple scares, I went to Google and learned a ton about the limits of birth control and weird stuff that can happen if you use the wrong size/type of condom.

The only way to overcome your fear is to face it and the only way to get better at something is to practice. So kill two birds with one stone by making the effort to get out there and try.
Start by slaying a few dragons if you have to but get some runs on the board and build from there. Just understand that it is a process and takes time, effort and most of all practice.

Post: #59

Dragan, I applaud you for making this thread, because your thread has opened up a really interesting discussion with some awesome replies in here. Thanks for that.

I have to be honest though (please don't take this the wrong way).

When you posted your Project Belgrade thread, I immediately sensed that you were dealing with some underlying issues, because I saw that you wrote:

Quote:What should you offer? Don't be creepy, be prepared to hang out with 20-somethings like myself. Be prepared to travel to some of these resort hotspots to pick up girls, and be ok doing things spur of the moment.

When you're scared to be seen as "creepy", this stems from hardcore social conditioning. This immediately raised a red flag in my mind, because it reminded me of the same talking points that feminists use.

In reality, you have to understand that creepy guys get laid.

Be a creepy douchebag who's willing to caveman bitches anywhere anytime, and I guarantee that you'll get laid over the nice guy who treats women with respect and dignity.

Read this article 5 times:

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/be-a-creep

Actually, read everything on Good Looking Loser, because it's one of the most effective websites for dealing with approach anxiety and getting laid in general.

Most importantly, you have to spend some time interacting with women.

Go out, approach girls, escalate, and bounce back to your apartment. You will get pussy if you put in the work. It's as simple as that.

All of the information that you need is available for free on the internet. It's just up to you to take action. No excuses.

Edit: I just wanted to add that my intention with this post is to help you, because you've contributed some great value to this forum. Your Belgrade thread is pretty much the reason why I'm spending some time in The Balkans this summer. You're still young, and you have plenty of time to rack up a 1000+ notch count if it makes you feel any better.

Post: #60

What's the farthest you've gone with a girl?

Trying to go from virgin to pounding pussy left and right can be an overwhelming goal. I'd approach game as achieving milestones that lead you in the right direction.

Start with being able to get girls' numbers. Your sole goal to start.
Then out on a date.
Then get a kiss.
Then make out and feel up her tits and ass.
Then get a hand in her panties and get your fingers wet.
Get her to give you a handy then a blow job.
Get her naked, strap up, and get it in.
Last a while. Try all the positions you can think of.
Rinse, repeat.

This doesn't have to happen with one girl or in one night. Hell, you can try to round the bases with a few girls at once. This is the natural progression that guys generally go through in middle and high school, maybe college. You have some catching up to do, but that's okay.

Celebrate progress and chip away at it.

Post: #61

(03-09-2018 07:52 PM)Dragan Wrote:  8th grade: She was a girl with a nice ass, so I asked her out, so that's what happened. So we went to the 8th grade dance, and subsequently dated.

9th grade: we broke up (roughly 5 mos. later), and it was a bullshit reason, so I think that probably red-pilled me.

10th grade- nothing notable--although I got feelings for my debate partner and never told anyone.

11th- see above

12th- I think finally I decided on the red pill lifestyle-- but I still had failures. I will explain: In yr. 11 I took a great catholic girl to prom, I would marry her (can't say I've ever met a more incredible girl), but didn't get positive responses from her--guess I wasn't a G. I was also deeply infatuated with the daughter of a preacher, but I was rejected because I wasn't enough of a bad ass. Finally, the girl I took to 12th grade prom was just incredible, but again I wasn't enough of a bad ass to get a date with her.

1st yr college--I got in incredible shape, actually, but I didn't go on any dates actually. I was not doing any alcohol, so I was in the best shape of my life. (Girls were flirting with me, but I was literally too autistic to notice.)

2nd- I think the problems started here, and it was a girl. Actually 2, I believe. Girl 1 was a literal femme fatale, and I fell for her fast. My parents always ask what happened to me this year.... And it was this girl. She was hot as hell but she was a bi-polar drug user/ alcoholic. Girl 2 was a cute alternative chick--the day after I took her on a date she decided she was lesbian--huge blow to me.

This reminds me of my old flatmate.

He claimed he had burn out syndrome due to years of stress in his professional and personal life (dad died, family collapsed...).

Everytime I thought he was getting better, something ridiculously minor (in my perception) would happen in his life and he'd be devastated. As in, wouldn't leave his bedroom for 2-3 days. He could never get any momentum going for him.

Maybe you're burnt out with girls? Ironic, but maybe you're psyching yourself out all the time and it's fucking you up. Looks like you're falling hard for each girl and getting blown out. Very hard to pick up speed when you're always going back to zero.

LINUX touched on this with his post. Use tiny victories that build up to bigger one.

This doesn't have to be related to girls. You look like you need a life rehaul. Since you like Jordan Peterson: do you have anything to clean in "your room"? Do the easy shit first. The bigger shit (like having sex) won't look that big when you get there.

Post: #62

(03-15-2018 08:35 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  Dragan, I applaud you for making this thread, because your thread has opened up a really interesting discussion with some awesome replies in here. Thanks for that.

I have to be honest though (please don't take this the wrong way).

When you posted your Project Belgrade thread, I immediately sensed that you were dealing with some underlying issues, because I saw that you wrote:

Quote:What should you offer? Don't be creepy, be prepared to hang out with 20-somethings like myself. Be prepared to travel to some of these resort hotspots to pick up girls, and be ok doing things spur of the moment.

When you're scared to be seen as "creepy", this stems from hardcore social conditioning. This immediately raised a red flag in my mind, because it reminded me of the same talking points that feminists use. Bro just literally a blanket statement, try to me normal (although you know what my issue is now). I'm not rejecting PUA, quite the opposite. Just make me comfortable hanging out with me. I don't want to be publicly be outed as an angry virgin.

In reality, you have to understand that creepy guys get laid. Ok no prob, just be chill to hang out. Don't get me in a DailyMail article as a misogynistic dude that's a virgin.

Be a creepy douchebag who's willing to caveman bitches anywhere anytime, and I guarantee that you'll get laid over the nice guy who treats women with respect and dignity. See above.

Read this article 5 times:

https://www.goodlookingloser.com/laid/index/be-a-creep

Actually, read everything on Good Looking Loser, because it's one of the most effective websites for dealing with approach anxiety and getting laid in general.

Most importantly, you have to spend some time interacting with women. Working on it man.

Go out, approach girls, escalate, and bounce back to your apartment. You will get pussy if you put in the work. It's as simple as that. Ok, I will do that in serbia, can't give any more details about current situation.

All of the information that you need is available for free on the internet. It's just up to you to take action. No excuses.

Edit: I just wanted to add that my intention with this post is to help you, because you've contributed some great value to this forum. Your Belgrade thread is pretty much the reason why I'm spending some time in The Balkans this summer. You're still young, and you have plenty of time to rack up a 1000+ notch count if it makes you feel any better.

Post: #63

You say you have 'latent religious tendencies' that mean you don't feel comfortable with extremely casual sex.
That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Maybe your approach shouldn't be to try and go for ONS, but rather try to connect and have 'mini relationships' with girls you find interesting. Looking at Roosh, you'd notice that he does that quite often, and it's a valid approach that in my opinion creates a lot of value in your life.

Post: #64

Glad to see that you have a positive attitude Dragan.

I think the main takeaway here is that no one actually gives a fuck that you're sexually inexperienced. Everyone has challenges that they're working on.

As long as you're addressing your problems in an honest way, and working to solve your problems, that's all that matters in the end.

Post: #65

Not trying to be insensitive, but if you haven't read either Bang, Day Bang, or 30 Bangs then I don't see the point of this thread. Learn the theory of game then go out and do approaches.

Making and updating an approach log on the newbie section would be a much better help than this thread.

Post: #66

(03-17-2018 04:05 PM)zoom Wrote:  Not trying to be insensitive, but if you haven't read either Bang, Day Bang, or 30 Bangs then I don't see the point of this thread. Learn the theory of game then go out and do approaches.

Making and updating an approach log on the newbie section would be a much better help than this thread.

Yeah i've read all of them. And many others as well. This thread is literally just saying that I'm a complete beginner and have not had a relationship since grade 9, so I'm a bit of special case.

Post: #67

^^ So you are off to a good start then. Is there anything stopping you from putting that theory into practice? Anything stopping you from approaching girls?

If you don't have much desire then it might be a good idea to get your testosterone level checked.

Post: #68

(03-18-2018 11:36 AM)zoom Wrote:  ^^ So you are off to a good start then. Is there anything stopping you from putting that theory into practice? Anything stopping you from approaching girls?

If you don't have much desire then it might be a good idea to get your testosterone level checked.

Current financial, logistical, and living situations--also living in an area not so good for gaming (smaller city).

Also, I despise American girls, so I'm kind of holding off until I get back to serbia in about a month or so.

Post: #69

^^ Okay that makes sense. When you go back to Serbia you should log your approaches and text exchanges with women here in this thread.

Post: #70

It's a good idea, and I very well may do it, to hold myself accountable.

Post: #71

(03-18-2018 11:49 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 11:36 AM)zoom Wrote:  ^^ So you are off to a good start then. Is there anything stopping you from putting that theory into practice? Anything stopping you from approaching girls?

If you don't have much desire then it might be a good idea to get your testosterone level checked.

Current financial, logistical, and living situations--also living in an area not so good for gaming (smaller city).

Also, I despise American girls, so I'm kind of holding off until I get back to serbia in about a month or so.

To understand causality is sometimes complicated. In your case there is no cause for your situation.

For some other guy, who is your age and not a virgin, there was a cause to his getting laid. To find out what that was would simply be to hear the story. " I met this chick in my basket weaving class, invited her to go for a ride in my van, we parked down by the river, etc." There is a cause to positive events, but there is no cause for the lack of an event.

To solve your issue is simple.

1. Stop searching for a cause why something has not happened.
2. Close the lid of your laptop now and go outside of your home.
3. Don't log back in until you have achieved the desired outcome, then if you want you can tell the forum and describe how you accomplished this.

nota bene
If you are a freedom loving and Western values type of guy, please consider not using protection. Although you are a late starter you sound like a decent enough guy and perhaps would be a good father. If the people who want to take us back to the dark ages are having 4 kids, go and have 8.

Good luck.

Post: #72

I know this thread kind of died out, but I found it via your Belgrade threads as I'm headed there next week, and found it interesting.

Here's what I will say:

It's quite admirable that you were willing to post this thread, without a doubt. And I agree with the general sentiment that you should "get it over with", and get the monkey off your back. I was a lateish bloomer too, at 21, and it felt like the weight of the world was hovering over me at that point. But I'll also add this in:

Trying to organize things like Project Belgrade (/thread-66014.html) is just putting a ton pressure on yourself.

Here you are, trying to organize game trips on a larger scale, and it's only going to get more in your head as it approaches. Yes, it's great to have a group of guys to hang out with, party, and wing, but you're also making that monkey on your back even bigger. I'm not saying the idea itself is bad at all...

I'm just afraid you're seeing that as the solution to your problem and it very well might not be.

Of course, tons of things could change between now and then.

That being said, I'll be in Belgrade for a couple weeks in April. Shoot me a PM if you're around.

Post: #73

Mr. Trouble, thank you for your response:

I was never going to put on project belgrade without mentioning at some point that I had an issue (virgin). So at least I've admitted my issue. And now that I think about it, I do like Serbian girls a lot more than American, although, I guess the consensus would be that I need to lose virginity ASAP. But I can say in Belgrade I feel a bit more confident, and like the logistics a lot better.

I very may well need the pressure and to have people hold me accountable, because nothing else so far has worked for me. I need a bit of encouragement (and no, I don't think a w****--I don't condone taking drastic steps-- is gonna make me feel better about the whole issue).

I remain committed to project BGD and at this point I have no excuses for failure--maybe sink or swim is what I need.

I will most likely be there in 2 wks, or the surrounding area prior to getting to BGD (most likely Skopje, Sofia, or Zagreb).

I will shoot you a PM as travel plans become more firm, within the week i suspect.

Cao,

~~Dragan~~

Post: #74

Dragan - have you quit porn & masturbation ?

Post: #75

(03-18-2018 12:32 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 11:49 AM)Dragan Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 11:36 AM)zoom Wrote:  ^^ So you are off to a good start then. Is there anything stopping you from putting that theory into practice? Anything stopping you from approaching girls?

If you don't have much desire then it might be a good idea to get your testosterone level checked.

Current financial, logistical, and living situations--also living in an area not so good for gaming (smaller city).

Also, I despise American girls, so I'm kind of holding off until I get back to serbia in about a month or so.

To understand causality is sometimes complicated. In your case there is no cause for your situation.

For some other guy, who is your age and not a virgin, there was a cause to his getting laid. To find out what that was would simply be to hear the story. " I met this chick in my basket weaving class, invited her to go for a ride in my van, we parked down by the river, etc." There is a cause to positive events, but there is no cause for the lack of an event.

To solve your issue is simple.

1. Stop searching for a cause why something has not happened.
2. Close the lid of your laptop now and go outside of your home.
3. Don't log back in until you have achieved the desired outcome, then if you want you can tell the forum and describe how you accomplished this.

nota bene
If you are a freedom loving and Western values type of guy, please consider not using protection. Although you are a late starter you sound like a decent enough guy and perhaps would be a good father. If the people who want to take us back to the dark ages are having 4 kids, go and have 8.

Good luck.

I think you missed that part (number 3).