Post: #76

Simeon Red Ice also seem to have a good relationship dynamic (only watched a few) and she's also pretty good looking, but absolutely known to be taken (ie no thirsty dudes dreaming of hover handing her.)

Post: #77

(09-18-2018 01:24 PM)Teedub Wrote:  I like Sargon up to a point, though as I've mentioned elsewhere on the forum I find him to be a pompous twat. I imagine PJW is also very arrogant and smug in real life. I also think Millennial Woes is really pompous as well, so maybe it's just a thing with British youtube personalities — all the normie Americans automatically assume they're super intelligent and it goes to their heads.

My biggest problem with Sargon is he often tries to be clever for clever's sake, and will argue against points he actually mostly agrees with simply to play an extraordinary game of devil's advocate. For example, the idea that Britain should remain majority white to remain Britain — I doubt any of Tommy Robinson's black friends would disagree with that, though Sargon has argued against it at some point or another.

(09-18-2018 11:19 AM)HornyRamone Wrote:  In this day and age, anyone who refuses to at least give a nod to race, genetics and the fate of demographics, should stay in their corner while the grown ups talk.

I think this is where Tommy R sits. Somewhere in the middle between civic and ethnic nationalism. I'd imagine most on the new right do really (including non-sjw minorities in western countries, including guys on this forum) — regardless of what they say publicly.

Most of the sane Alt-Right guys except for the semi-retarded everyone-must-be-pure-Anglo or he-isn't-White crowd - are common sense. Even the Nazi-sympathizing Mark Collett has non-White friends, had non-White political supporters and stated repeatedly that he does not want to oust all non-Whites from Britain - just that it should remain European-dominated.

I listened to a few tidbits of Richard Spencer dealing with a hostile college crowd. Those guys literally expect him to say: "Yes - I want to exterminate, kill or oust all black and non-White people." There is no issue in their mindst with the hundreds of Jewish lobbies, of black and Hispanic lobbies, but woe you get White interests. It's exactly as Frame Games says: Identity politics is for none or everyone! And the others side is never ever going to let go of identity politics - not even when Whites are 10% of a former Euro-descended country. Look at South Africa - they are 10% and the 90% still need massive affirmative action policies to "even the score". When will the score be evened for the conceived past ills? Never or when they are all extinct.

Post: #78

(09-18-2018 02:20 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 01:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:The entire Skeptic ideology is just not well-thought through. At least that ShoeOnHead chick is funny and sexy:

I hate to bring bad news, but she wears wigs. She has a disorder that causes her to pull out her hair. That means she's bald.





You can do a search on it. It's common knowledge.

At least she is marrying that Skepticguy:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkMBzBincxA/...shoe0nhead

Hyper-sexualized is fine by me. Her pulling out her hair is extreme behavior, but so long as it balanced out by now. That ArmouredSkeptic guy is weird too, but the couple is relatively sane by Skeptic-standard. They don't even venture into the dangerous territories of wanting to debate Jared Taylor on equal footing.





Her having no hair explains a bit why she isn't monkey-branching onto hotter richer more masculine men. That lowers her effective market value. I would still bang her - she looks to be super-submissive and dirty - just how I like it.

Though I have no doubt that half her fans are incels, male feminists and various low-SMV men - she is not alone in that field:



That's the bread and butter of the tradthot/semi-tradthot. You have to know your market. I remember this crazy Vegan Youtuber Durianrider say that he pimped his hotter girlfriend out to make 10.000$/month (Freelee Bananagirl).

In contrast the rather more real traditional Identitarian looks like this:




Girl looking at her man intently when he talks and him looking at the camera - the dynamic is rather clear from Red Pill/Game viewpoint. But what can you expect? Their internal ideology is far more stable and as ancient as our species - women are good helpers, but bad leaders.

You get more insight into it if you watch their review of fifty shades of grey.

Post: #79

(09-17-2018 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Metokur and Sargon both sound really sad, like high school mean girls in a show down.

You're obsessed with me.

No, you're obsessed with me.

No real humor, no good points. Metokur spent twenty minutes basically saying that someone saw a folder marked "Jim" on Sargon's desktop, therefore he is living rent free in Sargon's head.

Extremely poor showing.

I disagree in part: Metokur makes money from internet drama and sperg-baiting. He only goes after people who take themselves far too seriously. He's also not a wannabe political figure trying to represent some movement. Sargon is by far the bigger loser here.

Metokur is actually performing a valuable function too, namely dragging people who are far too fucking autistic through the mud, which deters people from allowing them to hold too much power in their respective movements. Same when he attacked the Honey Badgers.

I actually found the red pill and Roosh through watching Karen Straughan's videos back in 2011/12, and her old videos were great intros for blue-pilled men, but all the people she's associated with are absolute degenerates. We're talking furries, bronies and trannies. Jim shone a light on just a fraction of that autism, and I think that's a good thing, even if the drama was childish.

If he went after anybody actually useful like Tommy Robinson, trying to start drama, I'd have a very different opinion.

Post: #80

Post: #81

(09-17-2018 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Metokur and Sargon both sound really sad, like high school mean girls in a show down.

You're obsessed with me.

No, you're obsessed with me.

No real humor, no good points. Metokur spent twenty minutes basically saying that someone saw a folder marked "Jim" on Sargon's desktop, therefore he is living rent free in Sargon's head.

Extremely poor showing.

This is why I'm trying really hard not to argue with people online these days. I want to build alliances that serve a purpose; not win contests where the prize is e-narcissism. I also avoid watching too many of these bumfight videos, it just attracts that sort of energy into one's life.

Post: #82

I don't think it's a coincidence that Metokur's content was far better before he decided to monetize himself and get a Patreon account.

He had way more heart back when he was Internet Aristocrat.

Now he's just another attention seeking Internet Asshole as far as I'm concerned. (though he might be better at it than most)

In any case, anyone concerned with this Youtube drama needs to get a life.

Post: #83

(09-18-2018 03:39 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  

(09-17-2018 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Metokur and Sargon both sound really sad, like high school mean girls in a show down.

You're obsessed with me.

No, you're obsessed with me.

No real humor, no good points. Metokur spent twenty minutes basically saying that someone saw a folder marked "Jim" on Sargon's desktop, therefore he is living rent free in Sargon's head.

Extremely poor showing.

I disagree in part: Metokur makes money from internet drama and sperg-baiting. He only goes after people who take themselves far too seriously. He's also not a wannabe political figure trying to represent some movement. Sargon is by far the bigger loser here.

Metokur is actually performing a valuable function too, namely dragging people who are far too fucking autistic through the mud, which deters people from allowing them to hold too much power in their respective movements. Same when he attacked the Honey Badgers.

I actually found the red pill and Roosh through watching Karen Straughan's videos back in 2011/12, and her old videos were great intros for blue-pilled men, but all the people she's associated with are absolute degenerates. We're talking furries, bronies and trannies. Jim shone a light on just a fraction of that autism, and I think that's a good thing, even if the drama was childish.

If he went after anybody actually useful like Tommy Robinson, trying to start drama, I'd have a very different opinion.

Fair enough, but all he does is shit on people. It is like he has been possessed by pure scorn and arrogant glee, and that's it. I got that same feeling from Jim Goad when he debated Forney and Aurini. Like he had decided to embody an archetype instead of being a human being. It's not that he isn't funny or incisive, because he is, and I particularly liked his take down of sovereign citizens. I just feel a chill when I hear that fake radio voice of his. Can't be more articulate than that. Just feels like he is missing something.

Post: #84

Metokur is a black-pilled nihilist. Occasionally he attacks men who don't need attacking. His views of the political situation is that nothing will be solved unless the men of the West are willing to take up arms against their leaders and best they know already who their real leaders are.

Though most of his targets are the insane, the pedophiles, the criminals, the fake money grabbers (ugly Money Badgers who milk those MRA men out of their shekels), the Skeptics who feel so erudite in their partly dumb views. Sargon is the Godfather of the Skeptics.

Metokur is more like a shark circling the Youtube waters and taking down the weak, the wounded and the batshit crazy. Sure - occasionally he hits someone who may not deserve it that much. But if that guy is wise, then he simply does not respond or makes a joke about it, apologizes and that is it. Another Skeptic Bunty King as noted in another thread called Roosh a Beta male while calling himself a cuck and being utterly Blue Pill dripping. That kind of incongruity is what attracts a shark.

Post: #85

(09-19-2018 02:12 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Metokur is a black-pilled nihilist.

That is what I was trying to say. Even when you agree with these guys and think they are funny, you have the uneasy feeling that you are experiencing a mini spiritual death.

He's is dancing in the ashes of civilization, and perfectly fine with it.

Post: #86

Whatever one thinks about Sargon, this video is really important. The progressives are coming for all of us. I'm genuinely, genuinely surprised Roosh wasn't on that 'network of influence' infographic.

Post: #87

I still think Sargon provides a valuable service, even if he's misguided in thinking political action can reverse the course of identitarianism and civilizational decay. He's a liberal in the same way that my mother is a liberal: she won't stop calling herself a liberal, but her opinions on specific issues would get her labelled a nazi by modern liberal standards. The service he provides is that a normie listening to him can't really say he's unreasonable, so it shows how crazy the far left is when they scream and try to deplatform him. Thus he acts as a gateway drug to the right in a way alt-right folks can't, as they scare normal people off when they start talking about ethnostates and IQ statistics.

His mistake is in assuming that there's some kind of silent rational majority that is just ignoring politics up until he comes around to point out what those wacky feminist professors have been up to. Outside of internet forums people don't like to think about political issues and just vote the way their group says is correct, meaning that demographic change due to immigration is inevitably going to determine the political future (barring unrealistic scenarios like a race war). Immigrants just aren't going to reasoned into caring about English common law or traditions of liberty or whatever when the globalist faction is giving them free shit and ignoring crime they commit. And at this point there's no effective means of using the political system to cut off the immigration flow, since even if an anti-immigration party takes control the state bureaucracy just runs them around in circles until the next election. So Metokur is right in the sense that political action isn't likely to accomplish anything, although Sargon does have a point in that at least he's doing something.

Post: #88

I don't like Richard Spencer but he was right when he told Sargon that he's not as smart as he thinks he is.

He has an inflated view of himself and he doesn't even see the contradictions in his "liberalist" ideology.

Post: #89

(09-19-2018 12:56 PM)Teedub Wrote:  Whatever one thinks about Sargon, this video is really important. The progressives are coming for all of us. I'm genuinely, genuinely surprised Roosh wasn't on that 'network of influence' infographic.

Roosh moved away from political aspects which is understandable. It only gets you attacked and has no direct money in it. It does not have much to do with dating or Game. You would have to change your entire financial support model, get way more attacked by the media, rely far more on financial payments of viewers, superchats etc.

Plus the globalists already have a giant cross on his back, so he would get attacked much more heavily than many others. There are also other issues connected with trying to become political for the West that come up as soon as you go into territory of what needs to be done.

It's frankly hardly worth it unless you go full in - willing to lose a lot while not gaining much. Every man has to decide for himself what kind of game is wise to play for him. The black American Renegade of Funk sympathizes with some of the Alt Right even to some degree, but he isn't going to join them for sure. He is fine making money and living in Japan. Either the Westerners get their shit together and retain their homecountries or they don't - it's up to them.

Post: #90

(09-19-2018 05:45 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  I still think Sargon provides a valuable service, even if he's misguided in thinking political action can reverse the course of identitarianism and civilizational decay. He's a liberal in the same way that my mother is a liberal: she won't stop calling herself a liberal, but her opinions on specific issues would get her labelled a nazi by modern liberal standards. The service he provides is that a normie listening to him can't really say he's unreasonable, so it shows how crazy the far left is when they scream and try to deplatform him. Thus he acts as a gateway drug to the right in a way alt-right folks can't, as they scare normal people off when they start talking about ethnostates and IQ statistics.

His mistake is in assuming that there's some kind of silent rational majority that is just ignoring politics up until he comes around to point out what those wacky feminist professors have been up to. Outside of internet forums people don't like to think about political issues and just vote the way their group says is correct, meaning that demographic change due to immigration is inevitably going to determine the political future (barring unrealistic scenarios like a race war). Immigrants just aren't going to reasoned into caring about English common law or traditions of liberty or whatever when the globalist faction is giving them free shit and ignoring crime they commit. And at this point there's no effective means of using the political system to cut off the immigration flow, since even if an anti-immigration party takes control the state bureaucracy just runs them around in circles until the next election. So Metokur is right in the sense that political action isn't likely to accomplish anything, although Sargon does have a point in that at least he's doing something.

While I liked Sargon's content for a time - his direction is ultimately doomed and moronic.

Recently I heard something telling a Hispanic/Mestizo immigrant to the US saying, that when he looked at this painting, then he does not feel as if he has anything at all in common with men like that:



He as well as other races have actually little in common and no real lasting bond with Western history:



Why should they - it's as if we would have any thoughts of union when seeing this:



In a way that is one of the reasons that overpaid NFL players see nothing wrong with disrespecting the anthem and the country (over some bogus reason), because they feel that they are not represented by the wider US Western culture. Sure - they are Americans, but in a way apart from the Europeans that created the US.

Sargon thinks that he cannot walk there, because even the idea will automatically lead to genocide while in reality it was what almost everyone was thinking naturally up until the 1960s. That is what most people aside from the brainwashed West still think.

Sargon and the Skeptics' hubris comes that he thinks he has eaten up the world's wisdom only because he can assess well the madness of the politics and the SJWs. But the globalists know that this is madness - they create this to deliberately to destroy the West, to wipe out the hegemony of the Western White people. And Sargon and Paul Joseph Watson, the Skeptics or Jordan Peterson just oppose some of the more crazy aspects - aspects that even Soros called as going too far. But all of those bozos claim that the Western people are no race, ethnicity - just a piece of paper - a magic dirt that will imbue every Somali with the magic culture, magic intelligence to prosper and recreate the British empire just as the BBC tells us:


That picture is the Sargon worldview in a nutshell even if he gives the BBC shit for that.

But ultimately more people will move to the right as they are met with immutable truth - though I doubt that this will come in time. And Metokur may be right in that respect - real change then will have to come with weapons, because the globalists are not going to stop their destructive deeds just because a few people bitch on the internet or even demonstrate. If the people complain too much, then they simply slow down the obvious population replacement a bit, but continue nonetheless.

Post: #91

(09-19-2018 02:12 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Metokur is more like a shark circling the Youtube waters and taking down the weak, the wounded and the batshit crazy. Sure - occasionally he hits someone who may not deserve it that much. But if that guy is wise, then he simply does not respond or makes a joke about it, apologizes and that is it. Another Skeptic Bunty King as noted in another thread called Roosh a Beta male while calling himself a cuck and being utterly Blue Pill dripping. That kind of incongruity is what attracts a shark.

Metokur is white blood cell that activates when some fuck is too crazy, egotistical, and dangerous that a light needs to be shown on the interwebs for the lulz. Compare to Sargon, Jim has ego in check and knows what he can and can't no do.

In terms of Sargon, his ego got too big and does not know the limits of knowledge. This entire mess that Sargon is the moment is not having thick enough skin and response to all insults at him.

Post: #92

(09-18-2018 12:22 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Plus he claims that Sargon is a Quadroon and this is his half-black father

The whole "Quadroon" bit is complete bullshit, and Sar'gin later claimed that the supposed "black father" was really "southern euro", which according to him "still isn't white". Which is par for the course for someone who publicly said that he lies when it's convenient

Post: #93

(09-20-2018 12:03 AM)Yatagan Wrote:  The whole "Quadroon" bit is complete bullshit, and Sar'gin later claimed that the supposed "black father" was really "southern euro", which according to him "still isn't white". Which is par for the course for someone who publicly said that he lies when it's convenient

Jeez - Sargon hangups on race are ridiculous. Napoleon's island of St. Helena was populated by plenty of Europeans and some Europeans have pitch-black hair.

Unless Sargon uses this extreme Anglo-purity or Aryan version of defintion where they claim that all Eastern Europeans and all Southern Europeans are not White. Guess Rome and the great power/architecture/palaces of Spaine all were created by Africans by his idiotic definition.

That guy has seriously some marbles loose. "In the summer he gets pretty dark!"

I get dark as a gypsy in the summer and my sister has pitch-black hair. My father was blond and had green eyes. Euro-mixed Whites are highly diverse. My kids could come out blue-eyed and light-haired or darker.

It's really fucked-up when a guy with such lofty political aspirations and such a high opinion of himself cannot fucking answer the question whether he is a Quadroon, cannot even state the bloody race of his father and grandfather, cannot answer the question whether Samuel B Jackson is black. And all he does this because he discusses with a SJW the White privilege thing stating that he does not have the privilege because he isn't fully White.



There are large tests done on hundreds of thousands of people across the world and 99%+ of humans have no issue self-categorizing their ethnic heritage. In several large studies they also did a DNA test and found that the self-classification is 98%+ correct. Richard Spencer even extends Whites to many Persians while Sargon calls Italians what? Blacks?



Some bleach for the thread.

Post: #94

Though I don't wanna be too hard on the guy - despite his hangups he has enough common sense.

Post: #95

I'm Sicilian and a quarter Irish. I look extremely Italian but I've though about putting Hispanic on forms where race quotas etc would prefer a hispanic.

However, I don't tell people I'm hispanic or put it on youtube. Fuck that (I don't refer to myself as Italian either we've been American since my grandfather.)

Post: #96

< Hispanic is an almost meaningless term frankly in terms of ethnic definition.

Hispanic could be a blond Spaniard whose family has been living in South America for centuries. And Italians are quite varied - some have skin as white as snow, light eyes, black hair - the same for the Irish.

Ethnic definitions are not difficult - only if you make it so. The US and Canada were created to be colonies for Europeans - they did not have any definition of White, but they certainly had an ethnic definition. Frankly we could all call the varied people Europeans - your ancestors evolved for tens of millennia in Europe and only settled in the last centuries elsewhere.

If you travel around European museums you will likely find a painting of some aristocrat that looks almost like you.



https://sobadsogood.com/2017/09/12/peopl...s-museums/

Post: #97

(09-19-2018 11:03 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
That picture is the Sargon worldview in a nutshell even if he gives the BBC shit for that.

Heh, I remember watching the Benedict Cucumberpatch Richard III on PBS and scratching my head at all those black people in 15th century England.

Post: #98

Good analysis by Mark Collett on what happened with Sargon.

Sargon is a funny case - he is certainly no traitor and he acted sometimes harshly against some guys like Richard Spencer, but was far more friendly with men like Jared Taylor.

When you listen to the discussion with Taylor, then you see an honest well-meaning guy who even admits average IQ differences of races even while in passing.





As Mark Collett said it - Sargon attempted to be against the far-left, against the madness, thinking that it was just something organic. He also attempted to distance himself against anyone to the right of him - denying that ethnicities may produce different societies at this level of evolution they are in and that you could not beat out the collective nature of some tribes out with a stick - not the Jews, not the Muslims, heck not even many Asians. (I mentioned the MI6 hiring ban of Chinese secret agents - so many later betrayed the Brits that they had to stop hiring prospective 007s - allegiance to China proved to strong.)

Sargon is well-meaning, but he was also naive. While he spoke a lot of truth, he was wrong when he started to attack some guys to the right of him. They were right and they were also right when they warned him like Metokur that the media would dig out every dirty thing against him that they could. To them he is the enemy and they don't give a shit if he says that he is not a racist, not an Identitarian, that he is a good civic nationalist. He is not for open borders, he is against the madness, he is against feminism, thus he is the enemy and gets attacked the same way that they attacked Millennial Woes.

Post: #99

^
I been listen to TheRaplhRetort killstreams recently when Sargon started to have the descent from grace and ongoing skeptic drama. If there one thing that Sargon screwed him over the most is his ego. It got to him and he thought was better and smarter than he is. This false sense of his abilities and intellect made ignore the reality of situation with far left and his own audience. His need to lash out at Jim/Metokur for minor jest shown me that he is ill prepared to tackle again MSM and devious leftist.

Post: #100

< He certainly was not smart enough to engage even with highly intelligent and highly educated guys like Richard Spencer. Luke Ford clearly said that Spencer comes off fantastic in most debates, while Sargon only comes off better when he talks with guys like Millennial Woes. He would be obliterated by men like Frame Games.

Plus you gotta realize that Sargon was lower middle class and then started to make 20.000-30.000$/month doing Youtube - Patreon, Youtube ad-income (the lowest part) as well as other perks. He certainly does not spend much as could have been seen by the suit he wore to the EU parliament. So he may have saved over a million $ by now which is good for him - all that support money is not going to go away even if he becomes less political.

And that interview by the BBC will be likely a nightmare - 3 hours interview and they are going to air 4 minutes.

   

I really believe that he was way too naive about our power structure - this goes way beyond some communists and cultural marxists being in academia and media. The power structure is worldwide and super-deep.