Post: #1

This post mainly relates to social media, but also has some real-life EE examples.

Couple things, I'm on Instagram, and that's it, no other social media. I have posted like 5 times or so in past 4 months, and that's probably excessive to be honest. yeah i'm pretty religious about viewing their stories, but i'm stopping that today, by hiding the app on my phone. I don't try to message the girls i follow but sometimes it happens if they take a photo of something relevant (examples would be serbian beer, EDM music, cigarettes, which i'm all into). I know all the girls I follow and have met multiple times IRL.

Girl 1: I met her when she was my buddy's GF. turns out he was the number 2 dude on rotation for her. Her main dude was a bartender closer to 25 than 20, but all things considered that's pathetic because being a bartender isn't much in the scheme of life. So, a whore, but found her to be pleasant to talk to. Slightly wierd bc of no drinking or drugs, smoked a lot of cigs, but on mental meds. Red flag one. Broke up with my buddy. "she's a whore, etc." fairly common thing in serbia apparently, hypergamy, lol. Chat with her occasionally on social media, drinking and doing drugs again, even though she said it had "fucked her up" in the past. only 18 yo at this point. Posts photos of her and her soccer hooligan looking BF partying every day.

Girl 2: Sister of girl one, but hotter, and an aspiring actress. Hot as hell, on the level of Melania.... Sweet girl but she attention whores on IG every day, esp. with photos of her actor BF. Smug as hell. too many pseudo-model photos. having hung out with her in person multiple times the accent is sexy as hell, but she's still an obvious attention whore.

Girl 3: She's from macedonia as opposed to serbia. literally every photo of her features her ass or her rack, which is quite nice. aspiring kim k I guess. Went to turkey to fuck turks i presume, because that's what slavic girls do. Left a long paper trail of her trip there. Also had the gumption to carry around a selfie stick when I last hung out with her. But on the flip side, she let me hang out at her apartment and was sweet as hell, making me coffee n sheet and sharing her cigs with me. I want to nut inside her, because she fits the checkboxes, 22 or 23, orthodox christian, dark hair, big boobs and ass and nice hips, etc, etc. But still an attention whore.

all 3 girls were whores and asked me why did i not have an iphone... had a s6 or whatever.... Had a macbook pro but guess that's too cheap for them....

also were all on their phones just as much as a western girl would be... The wall has fallen, gentlemen. Silicon Valley has penetrated the east.

Post: #2

Mmm, I just dropped a pretty long post on Poland, that you may want to read, but pretty much - they are WHITE, they are EUROPEAN, the very CULTURE is basically the same - only differences came from Eastern part being poor. Now, that they are getting their toys, they became same as Western. Nothing surprising to be honest - Western girls were more feminine in the past as well, but you gave them freedom, money, status and they are what they are now - and same thing becomes of Eastern Europe. It works the same way anywhere around the world pretty much, but there is still at least a big difference between White girls and black girls and asian girls - here you are talking about very same white girls with the only difference, that one group already got everything they need and the second is just getting it.

Post: #3

Yes and no - girls' mentality gets impacted heavily by feminism, social media and online dating - also the opportunities of fucking foreigners.

But .... the gender ratios are still sane in EE. You will find many girls with busted dudes. You will also find hot girls in the 7-9 range aged 18-22 settling down with promising nerd-look-alikes and ugly shy boys.

So no - the sexual market in EE is not as bad ad in the West and it cannot become as bad so long as gender ratios are still as sane as in the 1980s in the West and poverty also makes girls focus on survival (and less on party fucking) much sooner - some as soon as 19 putting their eggs in the basket of a smart nerdy young man. That simply is much much rarer in the West.

If it were no different than in the West, then there would not be scores of Euro-jaunters and men trying to get laid here instead of the West. And you can find more sane traditional women as well.

Your description above are:

1. Mental case
2. Wannabe actress willing to suck every dong for fame
3. Instagram escort/sugarbabe

No shit, that those girls are mad. Try a local 19yo girl who has had 1-2 boyfriends and has a job as a part-time waitress.

Post: #4

I've had a Russian and Ukraine girl tell me how all they want from western men is MONEYYYYYYYYYY

Post: #5

(02-20-2018 04:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yes and no - girls' mentality gets impacted heavily by feminism, social media and online dating - also the opportunities of fucking foreigners.

But .... the gender ratios are still sane in EE. You will find many girls with busted dudes. You will also find hot girls in the 7-9 range aged 18-22 settling down with promising nerd-look-alikes and ugly shy boys.

So no - the sexual market in EE is not as bad ad in the West and it cannot become as bad so long as gender ratios are still as sane as in the 1980s in the West and poverty also makes girls focus on survival (and less on party fucking) much sooner - some as soon as 19 putting their eggs in the basket of a smart nerdy young man. That simply is much much rarer in the West.

I don't think that's correct. Not that it isn't impactful but probably not the main reason.

As I suspected, it is likely because of the Second World War which decimated male population, especially from Eastern Europe, according to the Pew Research Centre. There are no precise estimates but some 25 million Russian men alone lost their lives. If we take this into account, then it explains why it's less competitive market for men in this part of Europe.

Simply, buyer-seller market dynamic is a little bit more in favour of the male buyer.

Post: #6

< The Russian war victims in WWII is totally wrong. Stalin spoke of 3 mio. when speaking with Churchill and back then that number was inflated. The actual number of dying Russian vets is under 3 mio. by far.

It was inflated beyond any imagination like all possible things in WWII. As a reminder - there was a male shortage EVERYWHERE IN THE WEST UP UNTIL THE 1960! In the US alone there were millions more women than men under age 30 up until 1965. It was sort-of balanced in the 1970s and 80s and then shifted hard on the sausage fest due to rampant immigration in the West.

This has nothing to do with war victims anywhere in Russia, Ukraine or Poland. 6% more men are born in each generation, but they usually die out until age 30 to have it more balanced and that is exactly what is happening there.

Without mass immigration then the US would be balanced.

Post: #7

Zelcorpion, I don't buy your counter-arguments. It's universally agreed Russia lost around 25mln ( not exactly sure about the proportion of men to women) but 3mln? You need to back it up with data from excellent sources. By the way, believing what Stalin said to Churchill... come on.

Post: #8

(02-20-2018 07:34 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yes and no - girls' mentality gets impacted heavily by feminism, social media and online dating - also the opportunities of fucking foreigners.

But .... the gender ratios are still sane in EE. You will find many girls with busted dudes. You will also find hot girls in the 7-9 range aged 18-22 settling down with promising nerd-look-alikes and ugly shy boys.

So no - the sexual market in EE is not as bad ad in the West and it cannot become as bad so long as gender ratios are still as sane as in the 1980s in the West and poverty also makes girls focus on survival (and less on party fucking) much sooner - some as soon as 19 putting their eggs in the basket of a smart nerdy young man. That simply is much much rarer in the West.

I don't think that's correct. Not that it isn't impactful but probably not the main reason.

As I suspected, it is likely because of the Second World War which decimated male population, especially from Eastern Europe, according to the Pew Research Centre. There are no precise estimates but some 25 million Russian men alone lost their lives. If we take this into account, then it explains why it's less competitive market for men in this part of Europe.

Simply, buyer-seller market dynamic is a little bit more in favour of the male buyer.

That war ended almost 75 years ago. That's 3 generations ago roughly. Unless you are into banging grannies what happened back then doesnt significantly impact ratios today.
If you are fucking EE women in their 20s they were born in the 90s....post communism.

So none of that other shit applies, post USSR vaginas did not produce more female babies on average than American vaginas in the 90s or anywhere else. I know, I know, but all those male deaths from alcoholism and suicide, right? Those were bigger factors in previous decades but now not that much higher than the West.

I think the only slight ratio advantage EE had 5 -10 years was far less foreign male immigrants, students, illegals etc While the West has been letting in hordes of thirsty dudes for the longest time.

Post: #9

I want to expand on this IG attention whoring thing. It's an interesting point, but my observations I think are valid for all girls, not just EE ones.
If they have access to a smartphone, they will be on social networks. To varying degrees, but will ALL have it.
Attention whoring is a classic case of low self esteem. Now, don't get me wrong, MOST women have low self esteem, to varying degrees.
I actually started to filter the girls I want to date by their social network behaviours.
15k followers? may be worth a bang, but that's it!
1059 pics posted? She'll keep attention whoring especially when you have a fight, she'll also do it when drunk even when you are there with her.
3k friends on FB? 2k males? You can bet she will be entertaining them when they try to bang her. See low self esteem point above. They may not go all the way, but they will fucking love the attention, even when you give them plenty and fuck them properly.
So in summary, let's turn this thing around to filter the bitches by their own social network behaviours...

Post: #10

"The total losses sustained by the Soviet Union during World War II remain a topic of controversy among scholars, and an exact accounting of the deaths may never be known. The most reliable figures were reported in the findings of an expert commission established by Mikhail Gorbachev in 1989. These authors estimate the total population loss at 26 to 27 million, out of a population of 196.7 million on the eve of World War II in 1941, or roughly 13.5 percent of the prewar population (Andreev et. al. 1990). [...] Although people of all ages fell victim to the war, whether due to death in military operations, at the hands of occupiers, or due to the widespread undernutrition and disease that accompanied the war, the wartime casualties were nevertheless heavily concentrated among young men; it is estimated that 20 million of the 26 to 27 million excess deaths were male (Ellman and Maksudov 1994)."

I reckon the unbalanced sex ratio with each subsequent generation decreased, however the question would still be to what degree these unbalanced ratio in Russia still exists. Quite likely a number of other factors as well but I wouldn't fully discount the consequences of over 20 million deaths, predominantly of young men.

Post: #11

It's a global village now more than ever thanks to the internet. Over time culture globalizes and the world homogenizes. It's sort of like how you have this quaint little town that time forgot. First it becomes this little secret for touritsts off the beaten track. Then it becomes a tourist hotspot as word spreads. Then people start buying vacation houses there. Then before you know it the old houses get torn down and converted to McMansions and the old town store is replaced with a Starbucks and the old pub is turned into a fru-fru wine and cheese bar. The very qualities that attracted people in the first place are DESTROYED.

Post: #12

Any Soviet fighting in WWII was 15 at the youngest, for argument's sake. I know there had to have been some sub-15 in the Soviet ranks, but they wouldn't be statistically significant, as the Soviets won the war, so they didn't have to resort to a sub-15 final stand like the Fascists did.

So if we go by 15, that would make those missing men, starting from 1945 and going to 2017, at least 87 years old right now. Most people don't live that long, almost all of that cohort would be dead anyways at this point, war or no war. Anyone older than 15 that also died would be even more likely to be dead as well by now, war or no war.

One big difference that no one's mentioned between Eastern Europe and the West, and it's the elephant in the room, is obesity. In America, about a 1/3 of people are overweight, and about 2/3 are obese, leaving only 1/3 of women actually available to court for guys that don't have fat-fetishes, which is most guys, even the fat guys.

So basically every guy, fat guys included is messaging the 1/3 of girls that are healthy. In Eastern Europe, on the other hand, the incoming messages to the female population are more spread out, because there's 3 times as many thin ones, so each receives less messages, decreasing her ego.

So Eastern Europe would still be better for men, simply because of the effects of Americans being overweight, but sociologically speaking, their divorce rates are very high, you'll get a thin girl if you go over there, but a traditional girl, not so much, it's not a traditional culture. If you do find a girl that is traditional, she's going to be very family oriented and getting her to emigrate isn't an instant sell.

What you can find there is a career woman (mid 20's plus) that looks for guys with their act together, and there, you have a huge edge, because an American woman that looks for men with their act together has her choice of suitors that don't care about her age and make a lot of money and are willing to work 60 plus hours a week for a chance to have sex with her as long she allows them to. Meanwhile, an Eastern European woman looking for the same has a lot of difficulty, as Eastern European men that have their act together will generally want a much younger woman, and also, there's far fewer Eastern European men with their act together as a percentage of their population.

So if you're going for the older woman (mid 20's plus) with a career, Eastern Europe does offer a huge edge versus the West. If you're going for a younger woman, you also get an edge, but the edge isn't as big as in Asia, and don't expect to find a traditional woman in the sense of what you can find in Vietnam, for example.

Post: #13

Let me tell you a secret: all women are the same in some sort of sense.

Post: #14

(02-20-2018 11:09 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  One big difference that no one's mentioned between Eastern Europe and the West, and it's the elephant in the room, is obesity. In America, about a 1/3 of people are overweight, and about 2/3 are obese, leaving only 1/3 of women actually available to court for guys that don't have fat-fetishes, which is most guys, even the fat guys.

Ratios of:
8+ girls:8+ guys
6+ girls:6+ guys
8+ girls:6+ guys

are still phenomenal and why EE is a good place for men.

Post: #15

(02-20-2018 09:25 AM)Themin Wrote:  I want to expand on this IG attention whoring thing. It's an interesting point, but my observations I think are valid for all girls, not just EE ones.
If they have access to a smartphone, they will be on social networks. To varying degrees, but will ALL have it.
Attention whoring is a classic case of low self esteem. Now, don't get me wrong, MOST women have low self esteem, to varying degrees.
I actually started to filter the girls I want to date by their social network behaviours.
15k followers? may be worth a bang, but that's it!
1059 pics posted? She'll keep attention whoring especially when you have a fight, she'll also do it when drunk even when you are there with her.
3k friends on FB? 2k males? You can bet she will be entertaining them when they try to bang her. See low self esteem point above. They may not go all the way, but they will fucking love the attention, even when you give them plenty and fuck them properly.
So in summary, let's turn this thing around to filter the bitches by their own social network behaviours...

I think capitalism sets women up for low self-esteem, even though it is an inherently feminist system, because if favors women and is controlled by women, and all the buying is done by women.

Social media a great way to screen for the woman being a narcissist. The more likes, more follows she gets, more of a narcissist/ insecure she is.

Post: #16

(02-20-2018 04:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yes and no - girls' mentality gets impacted heavily by feminism, social media and online dating - also the opportunities of fucking foreigners.

But .... the gender ratios are still sane in EE. You will find many girls with busted dudes. You will also find hot girls in the 7-9 range aged 18-22 settling down with promising nerd-look-alikes and ugly shy boys.

Your description above are:

1. Mental case
2. Wannabe actress willing to suck every dong for fame
3. Instagram escort/sugarbabe

No shit, that those girls are mad. Try a local 19yo girl who has had 1-2 boyfriends and has a job as a part-time waitress.

Whatever the underlying politics and history, this is what I observed in Poland. Yes, you will find mental girls. You will find wannabe actresses and models, pure attention whores who will go complete 180 on the "sweet polka" stereotype. You will also find soft prostitutes with multiple sponsors local and foreign, often negotiated over IG. These groups often overlap. Gone are the days when you could possibly look at a "bitchy" looking Kim K clone in EE and have decent confidence that she is actually a nice, intelligent, sweet girl. Unfortunately, these hot but spoiled women are a significant % of the population and I see them only increasing.

At the same time you've got hot girls in the same age range or younger, prime 18-22 year olds settling down with ugly guys with seemingly little going for them or soft nerds. If I took a couple of sluts that I met in Poland who clearly had the western virus worse than the average polish girl, and extrapolated that to the entire population, I would conclude that they are all crazy whores as well etc. But the reality of it was that there are different types of girls within each age bracket.

That being said, the walls have indeed been broken. The EU made things much worse. Cheap flight made things much worse. Hype for certain countries made things much worse. But these were physical things that you could stop, in theory. It's much harder to stop technological advancement and a seemingly harmless "phone". That's why even among countries like Macedonia, where you think you could escape the western poison, the walls are falling without the country having to be inside the EU at all, because all they need is that device and a few apps. For this reason, in not long at all, I wonder if our search for PP is in vain. Apple and apps that are on it will only get bigger.

Post: #17

(02-20-2018 12:49 PM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  Let me tell you a secret: all women are the same in some sort of sense.

That's true.

They all have vaginas.

Post: #18

(02-20-2018 11:09 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  One big difference that no one's mentioned between Eastern Europe and the West, and it's the elephant in the room, is obesity. In America, about a 1/3 of people are overweight, and about 2/3 are obese, leaving only 1/3 of women actually available to court for guys that don't have fat-fetishes, which is most guys, even the fat guys.

Correction: 2/3 are overweight, 1/3 are obese.

Post: #19

A lot of EE countries just barely make it over 2 million in population.
EE and former FSU (in the EU) have the young educated leaving for better countries
Ukraine if I recall lost 3 million or so (from 45 million to 42 million don't quote me)

The median age of the EE and Russia is around 38 yrs old (philippines is 23 yrs old....Germany is 47)

The young people left behind that can't emigrate out who are they? We know youth unemployment is high. Good paying jobs are non existent.
What makes matters worse is Smartphones in the hands of these EE young people letting them see how good it is everywhere. If anything you would think it would encourage chicks to grab a foreigner. (shopping for foreigners from Amazon!)

Faced with accepting perhaps never leaving their country....what would a person do?
Would some chicks tattoo or mutilate themselves? (filter them out)
Would some chicks just marry the local guy and accept a low standard of living? (Poland more than likely)
Would some chicks go into the flesh trade?
And how many just went into alcohol and drugs and gave up. (and mental illness)

Empty bellies and broken dreams.

Can you equate a western whore who may only whore to get a better smartphone or for attention to whorish behaviour of a EE chick?

I think EE chicks may copy or mimic western whorish behaviour (the worlds women copy hollywood) but will have a hard time sinking to complete western trash only because they are surrounded by the old culture (the ones to old to leave) and have to scrape to make a living.

In summary the same chick "type" is still in the EE as was 15 years ago.....just smarter (for the lying tourist hordes), but sadly less of them through emigration, compounded by low birth rates.

Supply and demand....less chicks...with bigger dreams for themselves...means high pussy value for themselves.....means get better at game.

IMO most whorish behaviour is an act by EE women trying to look modern or hip....like blue hair or bull rings..all no different.

Post: #20

Spaniard beat me to it - its not the gender ratio's its the obesity. I live in DC and its a mess. While traveling to Miami recently I came to the conclusion that if you are a female, you are white or light skinned latin, you are thin, you have long hair, you wear stylish clothes/dresses/heels, its pretty much impossible to be below a 6 unless you are really genetically ugly. You do all of those things, which really in the grand scheme of things isnt that hard, and you are probably a 7 minimum. Walk down the street in DC or any mall in the suburbs and finding a girl who checks all those boxes is actually rather difficult. Walk down the street in an EE city, or somewhere like Miami, and they're everywhere.

Post: #21

(02-20-2018 08:59 PM)Incubus Wrote:  A lot of EE countries just barely make it over 2 million in population.
EE and former FSU (in the EU) have the young educated leaving for better countries
Ukraine if I recall lost 3 million or so (from 45 million to 42 million don't quote me)

The median age of the EE and Russia is around 38 yrs old (philippines is 23 yrs old....Germany is 47)

The young people left behind that can't emigrate out who are they? We know youth unemployment is high. Good paying jobs are non existent.
What makes matters worse is Smartphones in the hands of these EE young people letting them see how good it is everywhere. If anything you would think it would encourage chicks to grab a foreigner. (shopping for foreigners from Amazon!)

Faced with accepting perhaps never leaving their country....what would a person do?
Would some chicks tattoo or mutilate themselves? (filter them out)
Would some chicks just marry the local guy and accept a low standard of living? (Poland more than likely)
Would some chicks go into the flesh trade?
And how many just went into alcohol and drugs and gave up. (and mental illness)

Empty bellies and broken dreams.

Can you equate a western whore who may only whore to get a better smartphone or for attention to whorish behaviour of a EE chick?

I think EE chicks may copy or mimic western whorish behaviour (the worlds women copy hollywood) but will have a hard time sinking to complete western trash only because they are surrounded by the old culture (the ones to old to leave) and have to scrape to make a living.

In summary the same chick "type" is still in the EE as was 15 years ago.....just smarter (for the lying tourist hordes), but sadly less of them through emigration, compounded by low birth rates.

Supply and demand....less chicks...with bigger dreams for themselves...means high pussy value for themselves.....means get better at game.

IMO most whorish behaviour is an act by EE women trying to look modern or hip....like blue hair or bull rings..all no different.

I think that you are mistaken as to the lifestyles that moderately smart women can have in most EE countries. Getting an average job at a magistrate or corporation with the local husband having also an average job means that you can afford 2 cars, a good new apartment or a new 150m2 house and a holiday in Egypt/Tunisia every year. The couples simply take a longer mortgage and real estate prices are still much cheaper. You can construct your own 140m2 luxury house for as low as 80.000$.

The bottom 15-20% in IQ have it worse and have a more humble lifestyle, but that is true in the West as well.

The difference is however with some women who want to make much more and get a far superior lifestyle. There are no cocktail waitress jobs in EE where girls can make 80.000$ just doing a regular gig while being pretty. So those girls do get some sugardaddy, escorting, Instagram "modeling" on the side to make much much more than they could get otherwise.

The actual unemployment among the youth in EE-EU countries is only high on paper, because those who cannot get a job in EE move simply to the West.

Also I agree with the other posters - obesity and fat has impacted the West probably more than the tipping of the gender balances through immigration. But make no mistake - it is slanted even without obesity. I remember how it was in the West in the 1990s before mass-immigration and obesity epidemic and it was similar to EE.

Post: #22

OP literally just chose three bad girls. Of course those girls exist everywhere in the world, except maybe in places like north korea or north sentinel island.

You literally chose an 18 year old who is mentally ill...seriously?
This looks more like purely anecdotal evidence to me. But yea, still good to know that "even in EE" undesirable women exist.

Post: #23

Stopped reading at

(02-20-2018 02:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Couple things, I'm on Instagram,

Post: #24

(02-21-2018 08:16 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Stopped reading at

(02-20-2018 02:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Couple things, I'm on Instagram,

Instagram is an excellent passive and potentially active dating-tool when done well. It is far more useful than Facebook.

Post: #25

In my experience, girls (and guys) in poor countries (in Asia) are much more often much bigger smartphone addicts than the West. In the West at least there is some sort of an anti-social media sentiment (such as what we are discussing now) and people admit it's probably damaging but do it anyway because it's addicting and convenient but have a little bit of restraint eg. a teacher probably wouldn't be chatting to their pupils on facebook. Whereas in the East, there is no such sentiment so everyone is just always on their phone without any care in the world.

It's interesting because the two worst culprits in the Philippines are very opposite - the model/actress types and the slum girls.

The model/actress types will go from restaurant to salon to bar to hairdresser and not take their eyes off their phone for more than a moment to give a fake smile to whoever she is meeting. I saw one actress/model type at a bar last night on a table with 2 males (not sure if friend of boyfriend or what) who proceeded to spend the whole time I was there with one guy shining his phone torch on her face, the other guy taking pictures of her resting bitch-face scowl then sending her the photos, her editing on her phone and putting on whatever social network and then repeating the process again. I don't think they had a single conversation and barely touched their drinks, let alone danced.

The slum girl situation is interesting because in the Philippines and a bunch of other poor countries where people generally can't afford internet, Mark Zuckerberg pays the mobile networks to give the public free internet with the condition they can only access Facebook and maybe one or two other uninteresting sites. I'm sure you can imagine the outcome of this! People and the media are quite rightly worried and upset about the amount of meddling and power that Facebook has in politics and manipulating the population in the West but if they knew the power that facebook has in these poor, corrupt countries, their minds would be blown!